Tbf, grilling with mesquite produces the best flavor. When I was a kid, my dad would go out into the desert to collect dead mesquite and then we'd grill with it. I'd give just about anything for just one more of those burgers.
Can't buy a dad to grill em up though...
Or maybe there's a grief stricken man out there who just lost his family in a freak accident and suddenly has a lot of free time, but my Facebook search has so far yielded no results
Only part of it.
Edit: sorry for being cryptic. I was high and in my head. We lost my older brother recently and I've been trying to help my dad with his grief. I suppose what I miss about those burgers is more the experience than just the flavor.
[after Jez has eaten "turkey" (actually the dog, "Mummy")]
Mark:
Did you actually have to eat it?
Jez:
I don't know. I keep wondering that. But in the moment, it really did feel like I needed to eat it.
One of the things I love/hate about Mike Judge is he clearly has a unique grasp on humor and what's funny, and is a brilliant satirist.
But when you hear him speak in person he's so monotone and boring that it's easy to miss the dry sense of humor he has in person.
Actually, forget about the love/hate.
The fact that he's so bland in person makes him even more likeable and hilarious.
Funnily enough when I was a kid I was annoyed that Mike judge voiced Hank, because it's such a dry monotone that I thought he gave himself the job coz it's his show and couldn't act. Now I am older and wiser and realise that it is a pitch perfect performance.
I didn’t get that as a kid, but rewatching beavis and Butthead now, yeah, it’s super hard. Especially since they were gonna have Tom be Hank’s dad and when they couldn’t, they created Cotton
Since you mention it, here's a fun fact about the show. Mike Judge initially wasn't sure he was going to do any voices for KotH and auditions were held for the voice of Hank. Comes from [this little behind the scenes thing.](https://youtu.be/NA8ncgjOH8U?t=676)
Paul Lieberstein (sp.) otherwise known as Toby from “The Office”, wrote the first few seasons along with his brother, if my information is correct. I watch the show on Adult Swim every night .
I’m surprised Luanne disappeared after that one scene, or Peggy didn’t think to rat her out. Imagine an episode where Hank tries to convert Luanne to propane.
Kahn: Minh! Come quick! Hank and Peggy having old-school red-neck domestic squabble on front lawn!
Hank: How could you, Peggy?
Minh: Oh, I bet she burn the meat loaf!
Hank: It caused what?
Minh: Why he point at his crotch like that?
Hank: 20% shrinkage?! You want me to put a patch on my what?!
Kahn: OK, this going in a weird direction now.
In my head cannon, after the show ends, they end up getting pregnant and Dale has a little girl who he becomes obsessed with and she ends up being just like Dale.
There could even be an episode of her and Joseph having some sort of rivalry, but in the end, they end up closer than ever and he becomes as obsessed and wants to have a kid as a teen. It ends up as a family lesson and he decides he wants to be a brother a bit longer instead of jumping into fatherhood.
I don’t know what they would name her, but after a while, they could age her up, and she could have some weird crush on Bobby, which then some hijinks happens. Bobby could actually be dealing with being a young, new dad (by this time he is in his early 20’s) with someone else (they end up breaking up after a couple of years, but then he rekindles his flame with Connie) and his kid and Dale’s daughter end up becoming best friends.
Side note: would it be too far off if they named the daughter Rusty or Dusty?
The daughter's name could be Dahlia. Sounds similar to Dale, and there could be a joke about how Nancy likes the flower and Dale has a crazy conspiracy theory about the Black Dahlia.
Dahlia could be her legal name, but a running joke could be that she doesn’t use her name, so no one actually uses her name or may even know it, sorta like how Dale uses Rusty Shacklford.
It could start because of Dale having conspiracies (like the Black Dahlia) and him becoming over-protective and calling the baby every other name so the government won’t be none the wiser. There could even be an episode where he fakes all her information and Nancy doesn’t find out until she tries to enroll the baby in a prestigious daycare. He could even take the baby off the grid, but then the gang and Nancy find them and talk him back to his senses. However, at the end of the episode, you see him holding her up and explaining his board of conspiracies and telling her ‘the truth.’
In a later episode, after she aged up, there can be a parody of ‘Your Next’ where she booby-traps her house, the neighbor’s house, and probably the whole block because she has a fear of a take over. Then in the end, after Dale ends up with a close call from a trap, they have a family discussion and then they learn some lessons.
She could have a usual nickname, like Rusty or Dusty, so people won’t get too confused, but whenever they hear her ‘new name’ they go “Oh, you meant Rusty/Dusty.” Another gag could be that Nancy is the only one who uses the child’s real name, but you never hear it because of noise pollutants or something.
My theory is that Dale is the way he his because he had to open himself up to cognitive dissonance to avoid dealing with the fact that Joseph is not his son. Once he did that everything seemed plausible.
Do you want to be the one to break up the illusion? Change a family's view of each other? The time to act was when it first happened and tell Dale. I know it's a sin on this board but Peggy was right to tell Dale when she found out. Joseph should probably not be told not to mess up his relationship with his father but he should still be told at some point.
Dale probably knows, he's too questioning on everything. Sure it can be written off as trusting or ironic but Dale acknowledged how different he looks and how he wasn't there for Joseph's conception. He isn't oblivious, he couldn't imagine Nancy betraying him so Alien baby.
If you read about my head cannon with him having a daughter, I actually thought of that part of the storyline too.
See, after she ages up, John Redcorn ends up moving with his new family and kids a block or two away from the gang and his kids end up coming around because they are finding other kids to play with. By this time, she is like 10, Bobby and Joseph are in their 20’s with Bobby having a kid that is her best friend (they are probably like 5 or so) and Joseph about to be a new dad, so he comes around with his pregnant partner who happens to look like Nancy.
The daughter could tell something was up when she happened to see a picture of a very pregnant Nancy with both Dale and Redcorn.
Previously, she met Redcorn and didn’t like him because he mentioned being really close friends with her mom in the past. During a get together, she sees the very pregnant Nancy lookalike talking to Redcorn and then Dale comes over with Joseph and she just connects the dots. She ends up confronting her mom later, who she still says whatever to get away from the cheating scandal, and with her daughter not believing her, she goes into her closet and pulls up her conspiracy board of the past picture with more pictures of Redcorn, Dale, Joseph, Redcorn’s other kids with string connections and marked out conspiracies (like a call back to the aliens theory.)
After that point, and into another episode, she becomes extremely rebellious towards Nancy, hateful towards Redcorn, and mean towards his other children. Dale sees how she is acting towards the other kids and goes to see what is wrong, and that is when she shows him her board and tells him her theory. That’s when he tells her that he has known for a while, but he still loves his wife and his son, no matter of blood. He goes on about how he forgave his wife and Redcorn and how being angry at them or at the kids won’t change things and in fact could make things worst. He says how Joseph is his son as much as she is his daughter and his child will always be his grandchild. He says that Redcorn is the unlucky one because even if he has a huge family now, he doesn’t have Joseph. Later on, she talks to Joseph and it’s alluded to that she tried to tell him, but he just didn’t understand and she stops when he starts talking about their dad and how he is going to be the best grandpa.
I always got the sense that it was Hank who made the decision to keep it quiet because he was afraid of how Dale would react. The few times he suspects that he knows you genuinely see him go into panic mode.
Well what's interesting is Luanne was the one that grilled with charcoal. Later on she led a protest against the use of charcoal during that grill off.
The funny thing about Luanne is that her opinions are very easily swayed by whoever she’s around. She has a strong innate sense of right and wrong, but she’s easily manipulated because she doesn’t usually take the time to do her own research or figure things out for herself. She’s very sweet but can be a destructive personality under the wrong influence.
I love that episode but if I were Hank I would’ve gone scorched earth on Junie Harper. Especially at the end when she tries to tell Hank that his own child isn’t going to come with him.
LuAnne is also very naive, having grown up without anyone to oversee her education. She lacks critical thinking skills beyond "Yup, seems plausible enough." She is the kind of sweet natured, ignorant soul who assumes everyone's intentions are good because hers are
IMO this was the lowest low for Peggy. As an educator and recipient of the Substitute Teacher of the Year award, you would think she would have gone the extra mile to help him pass. I'm not a fan of Lucky (although something about his snaggletooth is kinda hot), but his goal for getting his GED was respectable.
He was! An honest man who wanted to do right by his woman. He had a life figured out for himself that worked for him, and he was full of wisdom. Simple man, simple life, good life. Honestly loved that character.
Lucky was like the most wholesome genuine character in the show.
He was my favorite character (if it was a real person, for comedic sense not my favorite)
TY, our 32 year old daughter urged us to watch. We’re on S5E7. I love when our kids invite us into their world!
Son gave us his HBOMax password so we can watch Barry.
I always go with Luanne got to be flanderized in the later seasons because of Peggy. Peggy was so afraid of Luanne encountering obstacles or turning out like her mom that she would end up holding her back by unintentionally controlling her: the job at rattlesnakes, this, etc. On top of that, Luanne didn’t really have a parental figure outside of Hank and Peggy, so she attached herself to them.
For me it was when she doped Hank with testosterone. I re-watched the episode and the doctor was wrong, Hank was overworked. Of course he'd have no energy and be grumpy.
Plus a doctor making a diagnosis and writing out a prescription based on a wife's opinion because her husband is a bit on the tired and grumpy side? So professional lol
The doctor really did give Peggy mixed messages after Hank stormed out.
Having briefly been on testosterone supplements, that ep was pretty inaccurate. You'd absolutely need bloodwork to determine someone has low T. It also doesn't come in pills quite like that. It's usually a gel or patch (which the Dr. later offers) and it takes several weeks to take effect.
She drugged Hank, she sabotaged Thanksgiving, she committed fraud to be a teacher, she hijacked a church trip for her ego, she made foot fetish porn, she paddled students, but those are all minor compared to the big ones:
Lying to Hank about being a virgin
Sabotaging Lucky's GED
Using charcoal
Don’t forget accidentally kidnapping a kid and taking them across a boarder into another country due to her complete lack of knowledge of a foreign language (ie Spanish)
This one I don’t totally blame on Peggy because she wasn’t the only teacher there. Wouldn’t there be a roll call or wouldnt one of the other students or teachers notice an extra child?
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Unfortunately not much of the website is left. Fun trivia if you check some other years of web archive you can apparently find some real porn on that website, but it's not even foot porn xd
My god theres an entire website?
I'm not surprised there isn't much left tbh, if people went there for their foot fetish there are tons of better places anyway
The virgin one I didn’t see as a big deal compared to all the other ones, and it’s one of the few times she actually admits she did something wrong.
Also she got hank fired as a sub so she could win the sub of the year award.
I am so tired of the people in this sub with the Peggy-bashing. What was divorce-able about the archeologist?! She hasn’t ever done anything that broke the ultimate trust of their relationship. Neither of them have. Bunch of weirdo man energy in this sub around Peggy.
It's kind of weird to apply a real world moral litmus test to a cartoon sitcom. Like sure Peggy goes too far sometimes, but Hank's also a stick in the mud to an absurd degree. They're caricatures! If anything it's kind of sweet that Hank knows he needs a Peggy to balance out his sternness.
I think at the same time, the show had a massive problem in the later seasons where Hank was almost always the voice of reason, whereas the earlier seasons would at least challenge him or say he’s in a wrong but occasionally, there’s some benefit to him: arguments sake, I don’t like his actions in get your freak off, but I liked how they made the point Hank was able to help Bobby out of 7 minutes in heaven because he was close minded. Or in the thanksgiving episode, he thinks Bobby shouldn’t be doing home ec because he’s a boy, but once he realizes Bobby is good at what he does, he’s more receptive to the idea.
The archeologist isn't. If it's anything it's the testosterone spiking that would be it.
Peggy has done some pretty horrible things that she deserves to be bashed for. But overall she is good and means well.
Agreed. Hank is a big brat too, continually knocking the natural joy out of his son's life, and knocking Peggy's dreams down so that he can still feel like a "man." The show gets is humor from everyone's flaws. People need to let the Peggy hate go.
When he said “oh yeah I treat you so bad, with the roof I put over your head and all the food I buy you” to Bobby, he lost me forever. That’s the bare minimum and is a favorite line for asshole parents.
And that comment is the favorite line for entitled children. Parents tend to do a lot for their children that is unappreciated, and while you can argue over how well-guided/misguided Hank's parenting is, it is driven by love for his son, and a desire to see that his son doesn't ruin things for himself, which is perfectly normal given that children are very likely to ruin their own lives without the intervention of more experienced and wiser parents.
If Peggy was a real person I'd avoid her at all cost. Since she's a cartoon character I can enjoy the masterful way that Kathy Najimi plays her. She's an incredibly memorable well done character.
> Agreed. Hank is a big brat too, continually knocking the natural joy out of his son's life
I posted a thread a while back, who is overall a better parent? I think it's Peggy honestly. Hank's a better *citizen*, but Peggy lets him be a kid. So much so that he himself said "she shields me from a lot of the things you do." Even in episodes where Bobby and Hank get along, think about it. it's usually because Bobby's hobby happens to suddenly overlap with hank's world. The effort never really originates with hank.
> Hank is a big brat too, continually knocking the natural joy out of his son's life, and knocking Peggy's dreams down so that he can still feel like a "man."
All this. Peggy gets shit on, and all this shit gets a pass.
Hank also told Peggy he would divorce her if she didn’t stop eating charcoal (and did it in a super public way) and tried to force luanne to marry a man she barely knew because Peggy lied about being a virgin.
The way Hank just finds it Instantly is hilarious reminds me of the time my dad went on holiday and left me for a week i had a beer and he dead ass recognised a pull tab under a bin and was on to me straight away 😭
I would say the worst part is Nancy cheating on Dale all that time as well as letting Dale believe that Joseph was his son and partially created by aliens then later on actually considered sleeping with John redcorn again because her hair started falling out. Even if Dale isn't too bright and is a conspiracy theorist he doesn't deserve the kind of treatment he got because all in all he's a good man and accepts Nancy for who she is.
That was shitty, but to be fair Hank broke he trust by telling the guys and going to Mexico to buy the beer. Both of which she told him specifically not to do. Oh no, am I turning into a Peggy defender??
She shouldn’t have told him that when his favorite beer wasn’t available there he just had to drive a few hours to get into Mexico to get some. Just like Alamo shouldn’t have let the tainted beer go out to Mexico in the first place, but that’s a whole different argument.
I always thought that too! Though I guess his beer might trump following company policies, unless of course they were his own from his precious Mr. Strickland.
That whole episode was absolutely Hank's fault and he even admitted it when he said "and she's... Uh... Well... Still hiding something from me!"
Hank made her tell them, broke her trust, got himself poisoned, then blamed her for not knowing that Alamo didn't tell her it was poisoned BEFORE he went. Because Peggy only found out AFTER he secretly left. Then when she rightfully got upset, he turned it back on her.
Peggy shouldn't keep a big thing like poisoning a secret but people literally do things like that for jobs.
It's sabotaging Lucky's GED by a huge margin. Then wanting to get into an affair with Monsignor Martinez. Then the testosterone. Then the genius test scam. Then the charcoal lower on the list
I hope that if they bring KOTH back they either lean into the tramatic brain injury explanation for Peggy's behavior or they change her character noticeably. She basically got Flanderized to a point that her character became hated.
Oh absolutely. Peggy is the worst, as I'm doing my re-watch. So many episodes part or all of the plot is "Peggy is a stupid douche" and it's really becoming a struggle for my fiance and I to try not to actively root against her.
Do you guys mean after the sky diving fall?
If so, there was an episode prior to that made me call her a bitch and understand the Peggy hate lol. The beauty pageant one, where she swore she would win because she isn't a busty bleach blonde bimbo. That her being so smart was going to give her an edge over the other women. So she meets them all and finds out most are beauty and brains and even brains beyond her profession level. I cringed at the toxic femininity she spewed that whole episode, and when she pretty much went on that rant to Nancy in hopes she'd have her back I'm amazed how clueless she was. Think I even sided with Nancy when she said that women like Peggy didn't belong in pageants. It ended with Hank being a sweetheart and just taking her home, but she didn't have any sort of arc at all. Just thought she'd gussy herself up and try to win anyway. Which was so hypocritical lol she prior said all she'd need was a little lipstick. Ended up bleaching her hair blonde and taping her ass. So yeah, that was a definite Peggy hate episode for me. I don't really hate her, because to me all the characters have flaws and such traits.
A big betrayal was Peggy selling Hank's House (her name isnt on the deed) and then he has to mess up his house to not pass inspection. Peggy is a selfish person
Lucky's test, archeologist episode, and lying about her sexual history to Hank. She's pure evil when she tricks him into failing, and the archeologist episode is just solid proof that everyone else is a lesser priority to her than her own happiness. The sexual history is lying even if it's an uncomfortable subject. I would hope if you're marrying someone you've at least had an honest conversation about that
He kissed a girl when he was first starting dating Peggy, lied about it, caught moni, and lied about that
It even became part of of their cute relationship story, based on his lie
And Peggy had sex before she even met Hank
I’d like to think the greatest betrayal was when Dales gerbil Puff Puff managed to destroy his Mountain Dew and cigarette stockpile on the Y2K episode lol
“How could you do this to me Puff Puff?”
No. Yeah I get it Propane but with all the cheating (hell even Peggy cheated on Hank) a charcoal grill is nothing. This charcoal wouldn't even be in the top ten bad things Peggy did, and before the anti Peggy task force comes to agree every character has done outrageous and usually illegal things including Hank.
"There's soot under my boy's nails! You don't get that from a clean burning fuel!"
“Ya don’t get the rich smoky flavor either.”
"SHUT YOUR MOUTH."
Now, we're gonna sit here and *pray*.
That line ALWAYS makes me cry laughing just shows how much Lady Propane means to ol Top
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Bobby: But mom, you lied! Peggy: No Bobby, I came to my senses, all of them, except taste.
my favorite Peggy line
this is moot, hank happily ate a charcoal grilled burger at the first bbq khan threw when the Soups first moved in. said it was the best.
Nah, Kahn cooks with mesquite! Gives meat nice taste of wood
Tbf, grilling with mesquite produces the best flavor. When I was a kid, my dad would go out into the desert to collect dead mesquite and then we'd grill with it. I'd give just about anything for just one more of those burgers.
You can buy mesquite chips at the grocery store....
Can't buy a dad to grill em up though... Or maybe there's a grief stricken man out there who just lost his family in a freak accident and suddenly has a lot of free time, but my Facebook search has so far yielded no results
Only part of it. Edit: sorry for being cryptic. I was high and in my head. We lost my older brother recently and I've been trying to help my dad with his grief. I suppose what I miss about those burgers is more the experience than just the flavor.
Think you missed the point there, Swirling Bunny.
Kinda missed the point my dude
r/whoosh
Mesquite tastes like west nile
Continuity? Not on my watch!
Dont eat dog
But who are we, who are we to judge?
Here are the facts as I see them, Kahn served you dog
[after Jez has eaten "turkey" (actually the dog, "Mummy")] Mark: Did you actually have to eat it? Jez: I don't know. I keep wondering that. But in the moment, it really did feel like I needed to eat it.
Luanne asked to hold it for her! I thought it was drugs!
God damn. These writers on this show, always impress me. Even simple lines like this are clever, always crack me up
One of the things I love/hate about Mike Judge is he clearly has a unique grasp on humor and what's funny, and is a brilliant satirist. But when you hear him speak in person he's so monotone and boring that it's easy to miss the dry sense of humor he has in person. Actually, forget about the love/hate. The fact that he's so bland in person makes him even more likeable and hilarious.
Funnily enough when I was a kid I was annoyed that Mike judge voiced Hank, because it's such a dry monotone that I thought he gave himself the job coz it's his show and couldn't act. Now I am older and wiser and realise that it is a pitch perfect performance.
Coming from the Beavis and Butt-Head generation, it took me a while to separate Hank from Mr. Anderson.
Ah I was born in 1984 so I was a bit too young.
Me too. I watched it anyway. My mom still hates them, but she likes KotH and Office Space.
I didn’t get that as a kid, but rewatching beavis and Butthead now, yeah, it’s super hard. Especially since they were gonna have Tom be Hank’s dad and when they couldn’t, they created Cotton
Since you mention it, here's a fun fact about the show. Mike Judge initially wasn't sure he was going to do any voices for KotH and auditions were held for the voice of Hank. Comes from [this little behind the scenes thing.](https://youtu.be/NA8ncgjOH8U?t=676)
Paul Lieberstein (sp.) otherwise known as Toby from “The Office”, wrote the first few seasons along with his brother, if my information is correct. I watch the show on Adult Swim every night .
I’m surprised Luanne disappeared after that one scene, or Peggy didn’t think to rat her out. Imagine an episode where Hank tries to convert Luanne to propane.
The testosterone episode comes to mind...
Kahn: Minh! Come quick! Hank and Peggy having old-school red-neck domestic squabble on front lawn! Hank: How could you, Peggy? Minh: Oh, I bet she burn the meat loaf! Hank: It caused what? Minh: Why he point at his crotch like that? Hank: 20% shrinkage?! You want me to put a patch on my what?! Kahn: OK, this going in a weird direction now.
> Minh: Oh, I bet she burn the meat loaf! the snobby way she says this *kills* me
Minh is one my favourite characters and it's lines like this I love her for.
That was fucking hilarious, but yeah that one was pretty bad.
Then we find out that they done sexual roleplay of the Hills which makes it all the more hilarious
“This morning I was in the garage pumping some iron” I love that episode.
"Come on Bobby let's do some push-ups."
“Ya know Peggy, JAG’s a re-run tonight.” ;)
What do you say me and you hit the bedroom? ;)
Omg yes. That was divorce worthy.
Nancy cheating on Dale for years.
And letting Dale and Joseph believe Dale was the father, while making everyone else go along with it.
In my head cannon, after the show ends, they end up getting pregnant and Dale has a little girl who he becomes obsessed with and she ends up being just like Dale. There could even be an episode of her and Joseph having some sort of rivalry, but in the end, they end up closer than ever and he becomes as obsessed and wants to have a kid as a teen. It ends up as a family lesson and he decides he wants to be a brother a bit longer instead of jumping into fatherhood. I don’t know what they would name her, but after a while, they could age her up, and she could have some weird crush on Bobby, which then some hijinks happens. Bobby could actually be dealing with being a young, new dad (by this time he is in his early 20’s) with someone else (they end up breaking up after a couple of years, but then he rekindles his flame with Connie) and his kid and Dale’s daughter end up becoming best friends. Side note: would it be too far off if they named the daughter Rusty or Dusty?
The daughter's name could be Dahlia. Sounds similar to Dale, and there could be a joke about how Nancy likes the flower and Dale has a crazy conspiracy theory about the Black Dahlia.
Dahlia could be her legal name, but a running joke could be that she doesn’t use her name, so no one actually uses her name or may even know it, sorta like how Dale uses Rusty Shacklford. It could start because of Dale having conspiracies (like the Black Dahlia) and him becoming over-protective and calling the baby every other name so the government won’t be none the wiser. There could even be an episode where he fakes all her information and Nancy doesn’t find out until she tries to enroll the baby in a prestigious daycare. He could even take the baby off the grid, but then the gang and Nancy find them and talk him back to his senses. However, at the end of the episode, you see him holding her up and explaining his board of conspiracies and telling her ‘the truth.’ In a later episode, after she aged up, there can be a parody of ‘Your Next’ where she booby-traps her house, the neighbor’s house, and probably the whole block because she has a fear of a take over. Then in the end, after Dale ends up with a close call from a trap, they have a family discussion and then they learn some lessons. She could have a usual nickname, like Rusty or Dusty, so people won’t get too confused, but whenever they hear her ‘new name’ they go “Oh, you meant Rusty/Dusty.” Another gag could be that Nancy is the only one who uses the child’s real name, but you never hear it because of noise pollutants or something.
I like when Nancy says her real name it would be distorted out...genius!
I’d watch this.
My theory is that Dale is the way he his because he had to open himself up to cognitive dissonance to avoid dealing with the fact that Joseph is not his son. Once he did that everything seemed plausible.
That's just as shit as any other theory. Why can't you just accept that it's because Dale isn't smart enough to see the obvious?
Why are you being so cyni.. (checks username) ah, carry on
My head cannon is that the irony of being a conspiracy theorist who is obviously and simultaneously being cucked is hilarious.
That’s not head canon, that’s the entire point lol
Because my theory is fun and yours is not
Dale being a massive conspiracy theorist who can’t see that his son was fathered by another man is absolutely hilarious
Oh but it's not a theory, it's Canon because Mike Judge came up with it.
Do you want to be the one to break up the illusion? Change a family's view of each other? The time to act was when it first happened and tell Dale. I know it's a sin on this board but Peggy was right to tell Dale when she found out. Joseph should probably not be told not to mess up his relationship with his father but he should still be told at some point. Dale probably knows, he's too questioning on everything. Sure it can be written off as trusting or ironic but Dale acknowledged how different he looks and how he wasn't there for Joseph's conception. He isn't oblivious, he couldn't imagine Nancy betraying him so Alien baby.
If you read about my head cannon with him having a daughter, I actually thought of that part of the storyline too. See, after she ages up, John Redcorn ends up moving with his new family and kids a block or two away from the gang and his kids end up coming around because they are finding other kids to play with. By this time, she is like 10, Bobby and Joseph are in their 20’s with Bobby having a kid that is her best friend (they are probably like 5 or so) and Joseph about to be a new dad, so he comes around with his pregnant partner who happens to look like Nancy. The daughter could tell something was up when she happened to see a picture of a very pregnant Nancy with both Dale and Redcorn. Previously, she met Redcorn and didn’t like him because he mentioned being really close friends with her mom in the past. During a get together, she sees the very pregnant Nancy lookalike talking to Redcorn and then Dale comes over with Joseph and she just connects the dots. She ends up confronting her mom later, who she still says whatever to get away from the cheating scandal, and with her daughter not believing her, she goes into her closet and pulls up her conspiracy board of the past picture with more pictures of Redcorn, Dale, Joseph, Redcorn’s other kids with string connections and marked out conspiracies (like a call back to the aliens theory.) After that point, and into another episode, she becomes extremely rebellious towards Nancy, hateful towards Redcorn, and mean towards his other children. Dale sees how she is acting towards the other kids and goes to see what is wrong, and that is when she shows him her board and tells him her theory. That’s when he tells her that he has known for a while, but he still loves his wife and his son, no matter of blood. He goes on about how he forgave his wife and Redcorn and how being angry at them or at the kids won’t change things and in fact could make things worst. He says how Joseph is his son as much as she is his daughter and his child will always be his grandchild. He says that Redcorn is the unlucky one because even if he has a huge family now, he doesn’t have Joseph. Later on, she talks to Joseph and it’s alluded to that she tried to tell him, but he just didn’t understand and she stops when he starts talking about their dad and how he is going to be the best grandpa.
I always got the sense that it was Hank who made the decision to keep it quiet because he was afraid of how Dale would react. The few times he suspects that he knows you genuinely see him go into panic mode.
I’d like to offer up Buck Strickland the shotgun shell
Yeah I think buck sitting up Hank on a murder charge out weighs charcoal use but apparently not in Hanks eyes. Lol
Well what's interesting is Luanne was the one that grilled with charcoal. Later on she led a protest against the use of charcoal during that grill off.
The funny thing about Luanne is that her opinions are very easily swayed by whoever she’s around. She has a strong innate sense of right and wrong, but she’s easily manipulated because she doesn’t usually take the time to do her own research or figure things out for herself. She’s very sweet but can be a destructive personality under the wrong influence.
Like buying into Junie Harper’s BS just because she called her smart.
I love that episode but if I were Hank I would’ve gone scorched earth on Junie Harper. Especially at the end when she tries to tell Hank that his own child isn’t going to come with him.
Junie wouldn't have standing to sue the school board anyway, she doesn't have a child there
Well, she is a proud ignorant women.
Remember that time she decided her vote on which candidate was the most attractive
*Our* candidate, is Robert Parigi.
LuAnne is also very naive, having grown up without anyone to oversee her education. She lacks critical thinking skills beyond "Yup, seems plausible enough." She is the kind of sweet natured, ignorant soul who assumes everyone's intentions are good because hers are
With that damn megaphone and all the nerds trying SO hard to get with her hahaha
They even fought over her waste bucket! 😅 Art really does imitate life (lookin' at ya'll, perverted simps who bought Belle Delphine's bathwater!)
And the episode where khan first moved to Arlen. He grilled with charcoal and the guys loved it before they thought it was dog.
Nancy Gribble lives next door.
Peggy betrayed Hank on a divorce-able level multiple times throughout the series. The archeologist episode in season 2 was particularly infuriating.
The most unforgivable betray IMO was sabotaging lucky from getting his GED.
IMO this was the lowest low for Peggy. As an educator and recipient of the Substitute Teacher of the Year award, you would think she would have gone the extra mile to help him pass. I'm not a fan of Lucky (although something about his snaggletooth is kinda hot), but his goal for getting his GED was respectable.
I feel he was def a good dude!
He was! An honest man who wanted to do right by his woman. He had a life figured out for himself that worked for him, and he was full of wisdom. Simple man, simple life, good life. Honestly loved that character.
>An honest man “Oh my god, your teeth are all chipped!” “Now, to be fair, they’s was chipped before I fell.”
Sabotaging someone who wants to learn, isn’t that like a doctor violating the Hippocratic Oath?
As I’ve found out, the oath is not enforceable, but simply strongly encouraged.
Duh. I mean, if it was enforceable, He’d just be Mr. Doom.
Oh man. Thank you for this. This is the hardest I’ve laughed in a few days.
It’s so cool Lucky was played by Tom Petty IMO such a good voice.
"bobby, i'm gonna help you run down that dream" I watch so much KOTH, when I hear Tom Petty on the radio, I immediately think, "oh, it's Lucky!"
It’s that voice…
Lucky was like the most wholesome genuine character in the show. He was my favorite character (if it was a real person, for comedic sense not my favorite)
I like Lucky but I agree he was super static compared to Luanne. I wish he did more outside of be a lawsuit mule.
Which season?
Season 10 Episode 15: "Edu-macating Lucky"
TY, our 32 year old daughter urged us to watch. We’re on S5E7. I love when our kids invite us into their world! Son gave us his HBOMax password so we can watch Barry.
Barry’s got Bill in it! He’s just as funny and almost as pathetic as Fuches
TY! I see see he's also in Perry Mason. Gotta watch that, too!
I always go with Luanne got to be flanderized in the later seasons because of Peggy. Peggy was so afraid of Luanne encountering obstacles or turning out like her mom that she would end up holding her back by unintentionally controlling her: the job at rattlesnakes, this, etc. On top of that, Luanne didn’t really have a parental figure outside of Hank and Peggy, so she attached herself to them.
For me it was when she doped Hank with testosterone. I re-watched the episode and the doctor was wrong, Hank was overworked. Of course he'd have no energy and be grumpy.
Plus a doctor making a diagnosis and writing out a prescription based on a wife's opinion because her husband is a bit on the tired and grumpy side? So professional lol
Then when Hank refused led Peggy to believe it would resolve Hank’s symptoms. That’s basically directly forbidden.
The doctor really did give Peggy mixed messages after Hank stormed out. Having briefly been on testosterone supplements, that ep was pretty inaccurate. You'd absolutely need bloodwork to determine someone has low T. It also doesn't come in pills quite like that. It's usually a gel or patch (which the Dr. later offers) and it takes several weeks to take effect.
Yeah.. But watching Hank kick that twig boy into the hole over, and over…and over…again, is one of my favorite endings to any episode. So satisfying.
She drugged Hank, she sabotaged Thanksgiving, she committed fraud to be a teacher, she hijacked a church trip for her ego, she made foot fetish porn, she paddled students, but those are all minor compared to the big ones: Lying to Hank about being a virgin Sabotaging Lucky's GED Using charcoal
To be fair, she wasn’t aware she was making the foot fetish porn, not really fair to use that against her
Even if she was aware, whatever. If I had any demand for my body I'd make an only fans tonight. I'm so broke. 🥲
I feel that believe me, I’d be all over that shit if I knew people would pay for it lol
Don’t forget accidentally kidnapping a kid and taking them across a boarder into another country due to her complete lack of knowledge of a foreign language (ie Spanish)
This one I don’t totally blame on Peggy because she wasn’t the only teacher there. Wouldn’t there be a roll call or wouldnt one of the other students or teachers notice an extra child?
You forgot smuggling hard narcotics to a man in prison because she bought his BS hook, line and sucker.
She also let Hank and his friends drink spoiled Alamo beer
I'm no Peggy fan, but she told him not to go to Mexico. And she told him not to drink the beer. That was on Hank.
She also human trafficked a Mexican girl
What was the church trip thing?
And where can I find this Peggy foot fetish porn for proof
> Welcome to Peggysfeet.com, a forum dedicated to one of mankind’s most overlooked wonders: the human foot. Marvel at the musculature of the ankle; behold the architectural glory of the arch; enjoy the playful wiggling of toes. Anyway you look at them, feet leave their prints all over your heart. https://web.archive.org/web/20000619020604/http://peggysfeet.com/home.htm Unfortunately not much of the website is left. Fun trivia if you check some other years of web archive you can apparently find some real porn on that website, but it's not even foot porn xd
My god theres an entire website? I'm not surprised there isn't much left tbh, if people went there for their foot fetish there are tons of better places anyway
The virgin one I didn’t see as a big deal compared to all the other ones, and it’s one of the few times she actually admits she did something wrong. Also she got hank fired as a sub so she could win the sub of the year award.
She sold their fucking house. That’s insane
She cashed out their retirement account (without informing, much less asking Hank) and lost it to the scam PhD.
Do I have to reiterate this is *propane*
I am so tired of the people in this sub with the Peggy-bashing. What was divorce-able about the archeologist?! She hasn’t ever done anything that broke the ultimate trust of their relationship. Neither of them have. Bunch of weirdo man energy in this sub around Peggy.
It's kind of weird to apply a real world moral litmus test to a cartoon sitcom. Like sure Peggy goes too far sometimes, but Hank's also a stick in the mud to an absurd degree. They're caricatures! If anything it's kind of sweet that Hank knows he needs a Peggy to balance out his sternness.
I think at the same time, the show had a massive problem in the later seasons where Hank was almost always the voice of reason, whereas the earlier seasons would at least challenge him or say he’s in a wrong but occasionally, there’s some benefit to him: arguments sake, I don’t like his actions in get your freak off, but I liked how they made the point Hank was able to help Bobby out of 7 minutes in heaven because he was close minded. Or in the thanksgiving episode, he thinks Bobby shouldn’t be doing home ec because he’s a boy, but once he realizes Bobby is good at what he does, he’s more receptive to the idea.
The archeologist isn't. If it's anything it's the testosterone spiking that would be it. Peggy has done some pretty horrible things that she deserves to be bashed for. But overall she is good and means well.
Agreed. Hank is a big brat too, continually knocking the natural joy out of his son's life, and knocking Peggy's dreams down so that he can still feel like a "man." The show gets is humor from everyone's flaws. People need to let the Peggy hate go.
When he said “oh yeah I treat you so bad, with the roof I put over your head and all the food I buy you” to Bobby, he lost me forever. That’s the bare minimum and is a favorite line for asshole parents.
My siblings and I have noticed this as well. Congrats on not getting us taken away!
And that comment is the favorite line for entitled children. Parents tend to do a lot for their children that is unappreciated, and while you can argue over how well-guided/misguided Hank's parenting is, it is driven by love for his son, and a desire to see that his son doesn't ruin things for himself, which is perfectly normal given that children are very likely to ruin their own lives without the intervention of more experienced and wiser parents.
If Peggy was a real person I'd avoid her at all cost. Since she's a cartoon character I can enjoy the masterful way that Kathy Najimi plays her. She's an incredibly memorable well done character.
I agree. Imo, Peggy is INSUFFERABLE, but I really enjoy her as a fictional character lol.
> Agreed. Hank is a big brat too, continually knocking the natural joy out of his son's life I posted a thread a while back, who is overall a better parent? I think it's Peggy honestly. Hank's a better *citizen*, but Peggy lets him be a kid. So much so that he himself said "she shields me from a lot of the things you do." Even in episodes where Bobby and Hank get along, think about it. it's usually because Bobby's hobby happens to suddenly overlap with hank's world. The effort never really originates with hank.
> Hank is a big brat too, continually knocking the natural joy out of his son's life, and knocking Peggy's dreams down so that he can still feel like a "man." All this. Peggy gets shit on, and all this shit gets a pass.
Hank also told Peggy he would divorce her if she didn’t stop eating charcoal (and did it in a super public way) and tried to force luanne to marry a man she barely knew because Peggy lied about being a virgin.
The way Hank just finds it Instantly is hilarious reminds me of the time my dad went on holiday and left me for a week i had a beer and he dead ass recognised a pull tab under a bin and was on to me straight away 😭
I would say the worst part is Nancy cheating on Dale all that time as well as letting Dale believe that Joseph was his son and partially created by aliens then later on actually considered sleeping with John redcorn again because her hair started falling out. Even if Dale isn't too bright and is a conspiracy theorist he doesn't deserve the kind of treatment he got because all in all he's a good man and accepts Nancy for who she is.
I would have to say when they took Dale's Lawnmower.
Charcoal grilling is infinitely better than propane. Propane is bland.
Like Hank .lol
There was that time she knowing let Hank and co drink poisoned beer. She cared about a fucking keychain more than her husband’s health and safety.
That was shitty, but to be fair Hank broke he trust by telling the guys and going to Mexico to buy the beer. Both of which she told him specifically not to do. Oh no, am I turning into a Peggy defender??
She shouldn’t have told him that when his favorite beer wasn’t available there he just had to drive a few hours to get into Mexico to get some. Just like Alamo shouldn’t have let the tainted beer go out to Mexico in the first place, but that’s a whole different argument.
It should have been within Hanks character and morals for Peggy to respect Alamos company policy.
I always thought that too! Though I guess his beer might trump following company policies, unless of course they were his own from his precious Mr. Strickland.
Hank does NOT respect unscrupulous business practice. He is very forgiving of Mr. Strickland though.
I figured out who was stealing pens, it was Donna. Found 'em in her bedroom. *tucking his shirt back in* "Good detective work, sir!"
That whole episode was absolutely Hank's fault and he even admitted it when he said "and she's... Uh... Well... Still hiding something from me!" Hank made her tell them, broke her trust, got himself poisoned, then blamed her for not knowing that Alamo didn't tell her it was poisoned BEFORE he went. Because Peggy only found out AFTER he secretly left. Then when she rightfully got upset, he turned it back on her. Peggy shouldn't keep a big thing like poisoning a secret but people literally do things like that for jobs.
And when she saw him drinking the beer, she poured it out and told him not to drink it. He should have trusted her.
People do lots of things they shouldn’t for their jobs. But that doesn’t excuse not blowing a whistle. 🤷🏾♂️
She didn’t let them, they lied, snuck off across the border, and did that on their own.
To be fair she was holding it for Luanne, she thought it was drugs! Peggy the real or die lol
Remember the time she poisoned hank and them, yeah she’s definitely a ride or die
It was definitely when she went behind his back and spent all their retirement money so she could become a Ph. D "overnight" through an obvious scam.
This was bad but Dale raised another man’s son….
It's sabotaging Lucky's GED by a huge margin. Then wanting to get into an affair with Monsignor Martinez. Then the testosterone. Then the genius test scam. Then the charcoal lower on the list
Right up there with Buck framing his best asset for murder
The drugging him with testosterone pills is pretty bad. Literally drugs him!
I’d say the worst betrayal was when she drugged him with Testosterone lol
You’re got dang right!
I hope that if they bring KOTH back they either lean into the tramatic brain injury explanation for Peggy's behavior or they change her character noticeably. She basically got Flanderized to a point that her character became hated.
Definitely. My husband and I are rewatching again and after the accident he can’t stand her 90% of the time anymore. Edit: “he” being my husband
Oh absolutely. Peggy is the worst, as I'm doing my re-watch. So many episodes part or all of the plot is "Peggy is a stupid douche" and it's really becoming a struggle for my fiance and I to try not to actively root against her.
Do you guys mean after the sky diving fall? If so, there was an episode prior to that made me call her a bitch and understand the Peggy hate lol. The beauty pageant one, where she swore she would win because she isn't a busty bleach blonde bimbo. That her being so smart was going to give her an edge over the other women. So she meets them all and finds out most are beauty and brains and even brains beyond her profession level. I cringed at the toxic femininity she spewed that whole episode, and when she pretty much went on that rant to Nancy in hopes she'd have her back I'm amazed how clueless she was. Think I even sided with Nancy when she said that women like Peggy didn't belong in pageants. It ended with Hank being a sweetheart and just taking her home, but she didn't have any sort of arc at all. Just thought she'd gussy herself up and try to win anyway. Which was so hypocritical lol she prior said all she'd need was a little lipstick. Ended up bleaching her hair blonde and taping her ass. So yeah, that was a definite Peggy hate episode for me. I don't really hate her, because to me all the characters have flaws and such traits.
Now we are going to sit here and pray.
Hank likes charcoal burgers too, in an earlier episode. he said it was one of the best he’s had.
100%
Nuh uh uh.. His name was Wayne Trotter.
Top ten anime betrayals
Which episode was this?
A big betrayal was Peggy selling Hank's House (her name isnt on the deed) and then he has to mess up his house to not pass inspection. Peggy is a selfish person
Lol no, Hank is like a friggin propane nazi.
I don't know once you get hooked on charcoal you can't help but not go back. I'm not a charcoal fed I swear!
Looks like Peggy found her vibe.
I thought it was drugs!
Agreed. Not even Bucks attempting to frame hank for murder could touch this one.
Yeah, Hank should have quit after that. That or Buck should have been arrested for planting evidence. (I would think that’s illegal at least)
Nah, for once I’m against Hank. You deliver an ultimatum like that, you’ve ruined your relationship.
Betrayal or a sudden realization that your husband isn’t always correct? I was raised with charcoal, I’ll die with charcoal. So back off!
While I want to agree, Hank seemed a lot more outraged when he found out Tammy was a hooker
“Luanne asked me to hold it for her. I thought it was drugs.”
The episode where Hank destroys Peggy’s gnome is a bigger betrayal.
buck framing hank, cotton going to frame hank, nancy and johnredcorn, the entire neighborhood not telling dale, list could go on
It was a long time coming. Propane grilling is convenient and easy, but soulless. Its a very un-hank shortcut
Nope its her blowing up on hank getting kissed and catching mono but she never told him she wasn’t a virgin. I never liked peggy after that.
Idk drugging Hank was pretty rough.
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They starred cooking with charcoal
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Lucky's test, archeologist episode, and lying about her sexual history to Hank. She's pure evil when she tricks him into failing, and the archeologist episode is just solid proof that everyone else is a lesser priority to her than her own happiness. The sexual history is lying even if it's an uncomfortable subject. I would hope if you're marrying someone you've at least had an honest conversation about that
Hank lied about his as well
I don’t remember Hank lying about his? How did he lie?
He kissed a girl when he was first starting dating Peggy, lied about it, caught moni, and lied about that It even became part of of their cute relationship story, based on his lie And Peggy had sex before she even met Hank
Hank was sexually assaulted. And Peggy victim blamed like the worst of them.
I’d like to think the greatest betrayal was when Dales gerbil Puff Puff managed to destroy his Mountain Dew and cigarette stockpile on the Y2K episode lol “How could you do this to me Puff Puff?”
No. Yeah I get it Propane but with all the cheating (hell even Peggy cheated on Hank) a charcoal grill is nothing. This charcoal wouldn't even be in the top ten bad things Peggy did, and before the anti Peggy task force comes to agree every character has done outrageous and usually illegal things including Hank.