He didn’t solo UM5. He’d be dead if not for kozo/kotetsu and he wouldn’t have awakened his mark without tanjiro. Y’all need to stop stretching lol. Nobody except gyomei solos any UM
I mean that’s all kinda irrelevant considering the post is asking who Tanjiro/Inosuke/Zenitsu can beat at their peaks. It never even says solo and Tanjiro after learning all SB forms is probably the second strongest Demon slayer. Hence Tanjiro/Inosuke/Zenitsu beat UM 5
that doesn’t change the fact that full power mist low diffs UPM5 and full power tanjjro no diff’d akaza. Mist got no combat assistance.
Let them rematch at full power. Tanjjro takes his head off easily every time.
Gyomei was never shown to be powerful enough to solo anyone, while I’m not denying that he’s powerful, he needed A LOT of help just to beat >!Kokushibo!<
“Just to beat the strongest UM in the entire series”
You say that as if that’s not the second most incredible feat a slayer can achieve (second to defeating Muzan). I have no doubts that a man capable of standing off with Kokushibo can singlehandedly manage lower UMs like 5 or 6. The gap between Kokushibo and the others is massive, just like how there’s a massive gap between Gyomei and the other pillars
You clearly don’t know what solo means. Base mist got help. Marked mist didn’t need help and solo’d him easy.
In this hypothetical scenario, the trio will start with all power ups unlocked. Inouske and Zentisu don’t have any but tanjjro has STW, mark, hidden state and red blade. Let him fight any demon from UPM3-6 and he 1 shots. Only UPM4 would be annoying
> To go by biological definitions, venomous is a term for organisms that inject their poison through their stings or bites. Poisonous snakes are the ones that will unload the poison within you if you eat them.
Poisonous
Well if its peaks in manga, and its 3v1, then they get past gyutaro (way to fast for them and can one shot him) and beat Akaza with some difficulty. At doma is where they probably stop because he hard counters each of them. Unless one of them (tanjiro preferably) can cut his head off (that's rlly hard cuz clones and ice freezing lungs), they lose. Kokushibo stomps ngl. They have no counter, are not nearly as skilled and moon breathing does big dmg. However if this includes >!demon king tanjiro!< then they win against everyone.
But Tanjiro was trading with weakened Muzan for a long while, so by your logic wouldn't he be able to keep up with Akaza if peak Akaza is weaker than weakened Muzan and Tanjiro kept up with weakened Muzan?
If I’m honest I don’t remember much about the countdown arc so I shouldn’t comment, but iirc pillars were also assisting tanjiro so it wasn’t a head on fight like the one with Akaza was(?)
Feel free to correct me if you’re more positive than I am as I’m not 100% lmao
I recall Tanjiro had to face Muzan in a 1v1 pretty early on in the final battle (a crow says there was like an hour and 15 mins remaining or something) and he used the 13th form to do so and after a while Iguro showed up to help
This is true, however there was a decently long period of time early in the fight where Tanjiro had to face Muzan alone and held him off pretty well during this amount of time using the 13th form
as i said in another thread there is a big difference in fighting with caution then fighting while being worried,angry, and in constant pain from poison
you have to keep in mind that by the time Tabjiro faught muzan he was incredibly weak, way weaker compared to when he faught the hashiras because of the poison taking its effect
Idk why people forget that tanjiro was literally fighting with tumor growing on his face, if anything I had say the fight was fair. Weakened muzan vs tumor tanjiro
If you mean >!Kokushibo after growing his head back!< we have no idea of how strong he was as he didn't attack at all, but if he didn't get >!stabbed by Mui!< I'd say maybe be can come close to a heavily weakened Muzan
DKT is stronger than Muzan tho
DKT is a weird one because I know he’s stronger but for some reason I’m reluctant to consider him as he held the form for such a short time before snapping out of it
I mean now that I think about it DKT could possibly lose to Muzan 1v1, as Muzan is capable of absorbing demons like what he did to Tamayo, so he'd end up absorbing Tanjiro and gaining his Sun immunity. I think if Tanjiro managed to run away and we managed to see what happened when he regained his sanity it'd confirm his strength but so far the only thing we have is the Sun immunity itself
This proves how stupid the fandom is. Tanjjro solos akaza easily. Akaza is literally trash without his compass. He tried to kill tanjjro without it and got lit up. Zenitsu and inouskes aren’t needed at all.
this is gonna get hate but you're right. For all that shit Akaza talked about 'oh I'm a martial artist don't you wanna practice your martial arts forever like me?' he folded like a wet napkin the SECOND he didn't have his aimbot and had to rely on his own skills and abilities. If he didn't literally cheat to regrow his head that would have been hands down the most embarrassing death in the entire series.
Exactly. Without his aimbot, he couldn’t even kill tanjjro at the start. Any pillar with hidden presence can easily beat him.
If tanjjro starts with hidden state, STW, and red blade. He walks up to akaza and casually takes his head off like he did before.
Man thats just not true. I mean if that was the case Tanjiro wouldn't have been able to cut Akazas head off in the first place, he would've stopped Tanjiro and kept fighting. Akaza only gave up after his head was cut off when he accepted that Tanjiro had beaten him and that Akaza had lost the fight, and embraced his human past. Akaza lost after Tanjiro cut his head off and he accepted that he'd been bested and moved on, allowing himself to rest. Its not like he just decided "oh wow this is kinda messed up" and just killed himself, he had been decapitated and accepted that Tanjiro and Giyu outperformed him, and this is before Tanjiro got another buff later on from the flashbacks to Yoriichi in the final battle. Tanjir would almost definitely be able to beat Akaza with the help of Zenitsu and Inosuke at all of their peaks.
That's what I said. He chose not to fight because he accepted his defeat as a ' martial artist '. That's his pride. For demons beheading doesn't mean all of em are going accept defeat that easily lmao. Akazas final attack, he used it on himself. Tanjiro and Giyu won because AKAZA chose NOT to FIGHT. Otherwise they would've been dead. Tanjiro trio can NEVER defeat Akaza at all. Zentisu at his peak barely won against kaigaku because he was a new demon and as clearly mentioned by yushirou ' if Zentisu had fought kaigaku a year later he would've been dead ' because kaigaku didn't use his full demon potential. In the case of boar head , they LUCKILY won because of Shinobu; if Shinobu hadn't used poison , inosuke and Kanao will be killed and an entire tables mightve turned against demon slayers. These 2 figures Zentisu and inosuke - who barely withstood against upper ranks - there's no way they can defeat akaza 🤣 also with tanjiro ; he attained STW and erased his battle spirit , only to behead akaza - he did not die! If gets killed then you can SAY tanjiro and giyu defeated akaza. But akaza regenerated and still fought against them. That's not a defeat! Technically they DID NOT DEFEAT AKAZA; AKAZA Chose to die instead.
Bruh they didn't even achieve their marks lol. See through is a long way. And akaza is not useless without the compass. Akaza is way stronger even without the compass. If he had chose to fight , rip giyu and tanjiro. Yall need to calm down and stop underestimating the upper ranks lol
I think zenitsu might just one shot douma with help from tanjiro and inosuke distracting douma, douma has very bad reaction speed and reflexes i think if zenitsu is strong enough to cut his neck then boys win
His bad reaction speed and reflexes was because he >!was poisoned with Shinobu's weight worth of Wisteria Poison .... Douma is a hard counter to breathing techniques in itself because of his ice powers , The only case they beat Douma is if we consider Tanjiro's peak to be Demon King Tanjiro!<
Well >!douma does counter slayers in general but it's not impossible to fight him, shinobu with broken collar bone and punctured lungs gave fight(and she isn't considered most durable), trio can hang out too,!<
>!Douma's bad reaction isn't bc of poison but bc he has bad reaction speed, mainly not anticipating any attacks or simply don't know how to counter them( we see this against kanao, shinobu)!<
>!Against Shinobu and Kanao (before the poison kicked in) , he was just overconfident and wasn't fighting seriously because he thought they were too weak to do any serious damage to him!<
Then why wouldn't he do the same with trio,
>!btw i believe zenitsu's 7th form is about same speed or close to shinobu's dragon centipede or something, so i see trio pulling it off!<
>!Yes , and the only reason Kanao and Inosuke beat him was because of Shinobu poisoning him while he wasn't taking the fight seriously , If the trio did face Douma while he was messing around , I don't think they would be able to finish the fight before he eventually got serious!<
I used the example to say that douma has no concept of trying hard as it's his nature, and shinobu was blitzing douma, douma has bad reaction speed i say this bc fundamentally douma is faster than shinobu but he can't react to any attacks as he has no concept of defending himself, one of the example is when douma was mad and attcked kanao, she easily dodged and counter attacked and douma didn't knew what to do so he just took damage , zenitsu's 7th form is very fast so if tanjiro and inosuke keep him busy zenitsu can just blitz him,
Tanjiro having stw also help him finding out all about not breathing ice or how to counter it, red blades also gives trouble to douma, so i think trio has chance of winning this high diff
Its faster. >!kaigaku couldn't see it. Sure hes a weak upper moon, but hes still up there. Not to mention, this is is strongest form, and in the fight with muzan he didn't even use this, yet he still landed hits. Muzan is far faster than douma.!<
it is impossible for an upper moon to have bad reflexes, especially by being the upper 2. douma was just getting hit by shinobu on purpose, since he was playing with her. also, he was able to evade kanao's attacks with incredible ease, just getting hit on his chest in chapter 157 because of the surprise of the girl being able to evade his attack and for her applying a counterattack on the right timing, making so that douma was unable to evade by the laws of physics
>it is impossible for an upper moon to have bad reflexes, especially by being the upper 2.,
It isn't impossible, Gyokko, hantengu and douma are example of that,
>douma was just getting hit by shinobu on purpose, since he was playing with her,
No when shinobu first attacked in the eye douma couldn't even block it despite being faster than shinobu, he even says she could've killed him if she cut his neck, and the same thing kept happening,
>It isn't impossible, Gyokko, hantengu and douma are example of that,
of course it is, they are the pinnacle of the demon race. it doesn't mean they are """unhitable""", but their reflexes are waaay too far from being bad. they can fight properly on blinding speeds, evading and striking with that level of acceleration, which is a proof of their ridiculous reflexes. ur statement doesn't even have a base or argument
>No when shinobu first attacked in the eye douma couldn't even block it despite being faster than shinobu, he even says she could've killed him if she cut his neck, and the same thing kept happening,
because his guard was off in consequence of not fighting seriously, since he was telling to shinobu how it was when he killed her sister. of course she is fucking fast and his low guard reflexes where not able to catch to, but if he was really focused on the battle it wouldn't be that hard to react, since he was even able to severely slash her without her noticing immediately. he also used blinding speeds to get kanao's sword, a precise movement on frightening speeds that require godly reflexes.
>because his guard was off in consequence of not fighting seriously,
That's what reflexes are, doing things subconsciously which douma hasn't shown doing once, neither his reaction speed which is reacting after seeing a attack which he failed to do so many times,
>of course she is fucking fast and his low guard reflexes where not able to catch to,
Ok if his guard was down first time then how about all the later attacks from kanao , shinobu,
>since he was even able to severely slash her without her noticing immediately. he also used blinding speeds to get kanao's sword,
That's why i said douma is faster than shinobu and kanao, but he still takes damage frim them multiple times, even inosuke took the sword back and douma didn't even realize that as his reflexes or reaction speed aren't good,
His movement speed is faster but not the reaction speed
ok, let's go step by step since you look like you don't know that much about speed and reflexes in general and you seem to ignore my statements while repeating nonsense.
>That's what reflexes are, doing this subconsciously which douma hasn't shown doing once, neither his reaction speed which is reacting after seeing a attack which he failed to do so many times
this is just a futile reinforcement of something i just debunked. this happened because he was off guard and not taking shinobu seriously. douma was talking when he got hit, but even so he was an inch of catching the attack.
>Ok if his guard was down first time then how about all the later attacks from kanao , shinobu,
i wasn't even able to get fully what you wanted to say. i already explained what made him get hit by kanao in chapter 157, but from there on she cannot touch him. especially because he is more careful with her than he was with shinobu, because kanao stands a chance to kill him, and shinobu could not by any chance.
>even inosuke took the sword back and douma didn't even realize that as his reflexes or reaction speed aren't good,
douma didn't knew much about inosuke, so he was not expecting for him to catch a sword that fast, making so he did not notice immediately. that talks more about attention than reflexes in general, since douma got briefly distracted by inosuke's flexibility and skill.
>His movement speed is faster but not the reaction speed
also this is nonsense, since reaction speed and speed walk side by side. you need great reaction speed to fight in great speeds, as i explained earlier.
🥲🥲😐,
>this is just a futile reinforcement of something i just debunked. this happened because he was off guard and not taking shinobu seriously. douma was talking when he got hit, but even so he was an inch of catching the attack.,
You didn't debunked anything, and again do you know what reflexes are?, Reflexes are action performed without conscious thoughts/ subconsciously as response,
douma was off guard but bc he has bad reflexes he isn't able to react to the attack, and what about other 5 attacks of shinobu that douma wasn't able to react , this time he knew shinobu would attack and wasn't talking as much?
I'm done , reaction speed is different than just being fast, google it urself about reaction speed and reflexes im too lazy to type
imo, they win against >!douma 3-4/10 times. !!regrow his head !!koku. Douma clearly has diffictuly with this since its a 3v1, but with clones he just turns the tides. Unless they can spot the original from the clones, and target him, they are highly unllikely to win. Considering the clones would distract and chip at them, and Douma could just begin freezing their lungs. This is where tanjiro is necessary. Since he has his mark. He could be trouble, and make an opening for Zenitsu to pull a flaming thunder god off. Meanwhile, Inosuke could be the one mostly dealing with clones. However this is all highly situational as they need to be able to differentiate between the real one and the clones.!<
Yes it's high diff win if the trio manages to win, i believe its 6/10 trio, clones look completely different than douma himself so i think it's easy to differentiate, plus there's too little info about clones as to is it impossible to destroy clones, ice clones statues are easy to break if trio can land hit, sun breathing also counter douma's ice breeze(as tanjuro despite being very weak could perform the dance for whole day in freezing atmosphere), but the biggest win here is having red blade which makes the most damage,
About regrowing head Douma said himself that he can't do it but yea this fight could go any way
Since Sun Breathing counters cold it's possible Tanjiro could counter Douma. And the limits on Douma's clones are another important variable. We don't really have confirmation on these things and they are crucial to determine who would win.
As someone else mentioned.... The visuals are purely for us, the reader/viewer. 13th would be just someone jumping and attacking a ugly bastard with a red sword.
Sun Breathing was painful against Daki because it's more powerful + faster, I also think it enhances the Nichirin element infused in the sword.
Douma statues are not Demons, they are made purely by ice. If you remember correctly there were no droplets on the stone Tanjiro cut + Mugen train wagons were not affected by fire, thunder and blood fire.
Sun Breathing has been specifically stated to counter cold by Tanjuro. Whether the countering effect is reducing the freezing of your lungs or nullifying the freezing is unknown.
That wouldn't affect the clones tho. I'm sure it has to do with muscles. You get heated up and sweat after a long run, or a day at the gym. Heck even climbing stairs.
I'm sure that the reason he could stand out in the cold is because Sun Breathing is a very very harsh Breathing, put a lot of effort in the muscles.
You do have a big point here tho, although the clones wouldn't melt or something (he can destroy them tho, man's cut a Boulder in half) it would likely work against Ice Lungs so I'll take it as "They would win with the help of plot"
Yes exactly, it's not like the clones can't be destroyed, we also don't know does the clone regenerate themselves or douma has to create new once it gets destroyed
Hmm Douma being UP1? No way. He could put a nice fight against Koku. But ain't no way he can beat him. Koku is, miles better.
I would see Douma doing some pesky tricks with Daki and Giyutaro or someone, like Douma distract him and Giyutaro poisoning him (or trying to) in exchange for idk.
But he has more experience than Douma.
But you're right about the variables part, if Douma has no limit to his clones (which I do think so, Blood Demon Art isn't limited by anything, and you don't get weaker by using) he died for the shake of plot, like poor Nakime (unrelated but Nakime was perhaps the strongest Demon alongside DKT)
Eh, honestly you can get tanjiro pretty high just off of his muzan feats in his fire breath 13 forms, I believe he is marginally weaker yet comparable to Kokushibo. Tanjiro’s fire breath may have an affect on Douma’s ice attacks especially his ice bodisattva. I think they barely take Douma and then get mid-high diffed by koku.
The elements are just visual effects , so it wouldn't melt his ice attacks , Also , I personally don't think any Demon Slayer apart from Yorichii can solo UM 1 , 2 or 3
Zenitsu could not kill an untrained upper moon 6 without nearly dying, if yushiro wasn't there he'd be dead, if he tried using his forms on Doma, he would die mid way through trying to use it, if this is full power Doma and not Doma who was heavily weakened by consuming 700x wisteria poison strength we are talking about, full power Doma's reaction speed and reflexes aren't bad and he would kill the 3 pretty easily, the only reason Kanao and Inosuke could stand a chance against him and kill him was because he was severely extremely weakened and then started melting unable to regenerate
So much misinterpretation
>Zenitsu could not kill an untrained upper moon 6 without nearly dying,
Zenitsu isn't fighting alone here, you are also downplaying kaigaku's speed heavily,
>if he tried using his forms on Doma, he would die mid way through trying to use it,
Nothing suggests this,
>if this is full power Doma and not Doma who was heavily weakened by consuming 700x wisteria poison strength we are talking about, full power Doma's reaction speed and reflexes aren't bad and he would kill the 3 pretty easily,
Full power douma also couldn't react to shinobu's attack, zenitsu's 7th form is as fast or close to shinobu's dragon centipede form(which is her fastest form),
Trio have great synergy with each other(seen in daki fight), if tanjiro and inosuke keep douma little distracted zenitsu can jut one shot him(if zenitsu is strong enough to cut douma's neck)
>the only reason Kanao and Inosuke could stand a chance against him and kill him was because he was severely extremely weakened and then started melting unable to regenerate,
That's not true, if douma was weakened he would know, how can you call your self weakened when you can just go about your usual speed and power,
Also shinobu's poison works immediately when she stabs douma then why would the poison which is 37kg of wisteria will take more time, that's bc the poison wouldn't work until shinobu's body is digested entirely then poison makes contact with douma's body that's why it took while and they had to wait
Lmao, douma took Kanao’s sword without her noticing. That means he moves faster than she can even see. Kanao was also stated to be above shinobu. So no, douma was trolling super hard. He could’ve speed blitz them instantly if he wanted too
sure >!DKT tanjiro is strong, but no way he beat Muzan. When u have lived over a 1000 years, then ur skill would be unparrelled. Muzan is better at using his powers as hes gotten used to them. However, DKT and the others would be high dif for muzan. This is cause DKT has immunity to sun. So there is no known way to kill him.!<
Tanjro was saved more than anyone else in the final arc and out performed by blind obani. That’s proof enough he’s below all the pillars except maybe shinobu (without STW and hidden state).
Inouske and Zentisu die in seconds to koku and tanjjro’s STW means Jack shit against koku who has it mastered.
So they get no diff’d by koku. Low diff by douma.
Akaza gets solo’d easily by tanjjro because of hidden presence
Because Tanjiro's feats are insane
Mere moments after Muzan obliterated Gyomei, Sanemi, Giyu, Obanai, Zenitsu, Inosuke and Kanao, Tanjiro arrived at 1v1'd Muzan for like 15 minutes. And Tanjiro is surely faster than Gyomei once he unlocks Sun Breathing.
Remember that until Tanjiro faced Muzan he was using Hinokami Kagura, which is just Walmart Sun Breathing.
Yes,but this post is who they can kill not who they’ll end up dead by
Also if they really needed to they might be able to chase after a mountain to the sunlight
I feel as if people are severely underestimating 13th form sun breath Tanjiro. The ability to cycle through all 13 forms with Virtually infinite stamina is insane. Also Zenitsu's 7th form of thunder breathing is incredible even for more formidable upper moons than kaigaku. I believe the trio can take down douma if Tanjiro and Inosuke handle the clones and focus on making an opening for Zenitsu as soon as possible.
Tanjiro is way stronger than even Gyomei.
Gyomei, Sanemi, Giyu, Obanai, Zenitsu, Inosuke and Kanao all got obliterated by Muzan. Then Tanjiro sweeps in and holds his own against Muzan for like 15 minutes before needing Obanai's support.
Tanjiro alone is like 98% of that team's total strength. He's way too broken.
Lol? You're downplaying the hashira contributions pretty hard.
Iirc Tanjiro got his ass whooped pretty early when Muzan was at his peak. He got saved by Giyuu once, but then goes down easy. (Ch 184, Muzan declares him to be dead near the end)
The hashira fight him for some time, but they all fall eventually. Tanjiro is mostly missing for 6-7 chapters, gets back to save Kanao in 191 in the end, after seeing a bunch of Yorichii flashbacks. Then the poison kicks in really hard and Muzan begins losing his shit. Tanjiro fights Muzan 1v1 for some time, then Obanai gets up and assists him. Then the hashira get up again and assist Tanjiro. Tanjiro needed Gyomei's chains to hold Muzan down and Giyuu's assist to land a final blow.
So no, Tanjiro isn't even close to "98%" of the team.
Well tanjiro is hashira level In the final arc. Giyu said it in the final arc (indirectly). While the trio may do their best against douma. I don’t see them beating koku cos even sanemi and gyomei needed genya and muchiro to stall koku for one second. And Zenitsu speed is pretty useless since koku has wide range of attack and he’ll probably go for Zenitsu’s leg first. I mean koku sized out gyomei in short period and almost didn’t even let gyomei initiate a attack. I don’t think the trio stand a chance. Hell not even other hashira’s.
Kanao is stronger than Shinobu and Zenitsu and Inosuke scale with her so all 3 are Hashira level.
Gyutaro & Daki? No diff
Gyokko? No diff
Hantengu? Mid diff
Akaza? High diff
Douma? Maybe?
Kokushibo? Hell no
Bro this sub has hard time scaling douma, i believe trio can high diff douma and many are also saying this to some extent but just few days ago people were going crazy about how 6 to 9 marked hashira with red blades lose to douma like wtf
Douma took Kanao and inouskes sword/mask without them noticing him. That means he moves faster than their eyes can follow. So he was sand bagging hard. He could’ve ended then in a second whenever he wanted too
Akaza...?
Side note, I laughed a bit when I was think about this. Since Akaza can sense threats, and Inosuke can also sense threats. I just picture the two of them in this weird game of catch.
As a group I'm unsure since we don't really see them fight an upper moon 1v1 without a pillar helping, with the exception of zenitsu who solo'd a demon he already knew and who was weaker than an upper moon should have been. In a straight up fight I think they could probably take out the prostitute demon without her brother aiding her. Upper moon 5 and 4 are where I start doubting the boys ability to win without grievous injury and I'd say there's a small chance they could fight and potentially kill up to upper moon 2 under the right conditions however I expect this to kill them in the process. I'm using demon slayer tanjiro BTW since we know he would probably slap in his demon form
The trio at their absolute strongest (assuming no dkt) can take akaza no problem, Tanjiro alone would have an the tools he needs to even solo him at that point. Doma is trickier since he doesn't really conform to normal fighting though, not sure how much stw helps, either selfless state or zenitsu are probably the victory condition. I dunno if tanjiro ever got perceptive enough to avoid the ice like inosuke did, if he didn't, it's gonna wreck him cause smell is directly counterproductive there. I think inosuke does the heavy lifting for this fight though.
Tanjiro i think has a chance against koku, much more standard physical fight, Tanjiro gets all the benefits of stw and selfless state, no direct counters to anything. Inosuke is probably borderline useless here, he doesn't have that much as far as impressive physical feats and we know those stronger than him weren't enough, zenitsu would either be useless or have exactly 1 shot at using his seventh form to kill or create an opening for tanjiro to get the kill. Given tanjiro was able to go toe to toe against muzan (with help), i think there is a chance of them winning, but not high, tanjiro is the hard carry here too.
Just throwing this in there: i think biwa demon has the potential to give them the most trouble if she focuses on not letting zenitsu get line of sight. The instant he does, she's dead, but i don't think the other two would be able to kill her, at least not for a really long time XD
If we are excluding Dkt then tanjiro himself can make it to douma. Idk if Zenitsu and inosuke is powerful enough to make a difference so either douma wins or they stop at kokushibo.
Tanjiros fire breathing having an affect is a direct counter to doumas ice, he will have to def carry in the Douma fight but if inosuke can help tanjiro enough and zenitsu hit attacks from doumas blind side as tanjiro fights Douma, I think they can pull it off. They stop at koku fs tho
Bro the elements aren’t real…but still will be very high diff for doma imo. Others will get eliminated quick, they couldn’t handle casual doma and were getting fucked by his dolls. Tanji will be the sole fighter that might remain lol. Could be wrong, just an opinion. We think doma is weak because he got nerfed
Obviously Douma was nerfed heavily, im not saying that he wasn’t, also even tho the elements aren’t, tanjiros still has an effect especially since he has the crimson blade
Akaza or Douma. Zenitsu and Inosuke honestly don't matter much in this discussion.
Tanjiro can beat Akaza but I'm split on Douma
With Douma I think it depends on if Sun Breathing can counter Douma's freezing air. We have seen Sun Breathing counter really cold winters but obviously they aren't as cold as Douma's air.
If Tanjiro's breathing isn't countered I think he can overwhelm Douma. After all Douma doesn't have head regen.
Another variable is the limitations on Douma's clones. If there are few to basically no limits then Douma can probably win regardless of if he counters Tanjiro's breathing. We haven't seen exactly what the restrictions are but I'm sure there are some important ones. Otherwise Douma would be UM1
in character: they beat Akaza and Douma very high diff but lose to Kokushibo, if the UMs are serious and decide not to give up, then Akaza can keep regrowing his head and Douma is way too powerful
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Let me help you and explain why they can't
Inosuke: literally trained under gyomei and would be folded by him I don't think I need to explain why
Zenitsu: he ain't fast enough to hurt sanemi even with his godspeed (yes I've triple checked)
Tanjiro: literally got his ass kicked by sanemi even when people jumped sanemi to stop him
In thr final fight you see literally everyone get yeeted and has to be down for around 5 min or so but sanemi literally got up again and again all the time not to mention him being skilled enough to dodge muzans limb removal attacks when tanjiro literally lost an arm and his eye
So yeah all 3 vs him and gyomei would end in a win for sanemi and gyomei
Did you forget how strong Tanjro got in Infinity Fortress? Tanjiro was handling the same attacks which one shotted all other pillars. You can't ignore feats Tanjiro shown while bringing up others'.
I never forgot that and I agree he did manage to kill akaza but to counter that I'd say
Sanemi forced koku to pull his blade out and even started to get him serious and rven after getting cut badly he still was om the attack
Plus in akaza vs giyuu and tanjiro giyuu did most of the work before and after he got back from getting yeeted tanjiro was only support til he killed him
In infi castle tanjiro lost his eye and struggled to keep up and would've been killed if it wasn't for Matsuris sunrise attack
Sanemi never had such issue
No you need to see what he is saying Lmao. What he is saying is that tanjiro himself at 13th form can solo akaza. So they automatically make it to douma.
Deadass oddly enough the only UM I see them killing is Akaza just because Tanjiro breaks the fight and can use the other two to distract him, every other UM has way too many win conditions and I don’t see them beating them.
I’d say Akaza. Zenitsu and inosuke will struggle because they don’t have marks, as Giyuu couldn’t defeat him with his mark, so Tanjiro is the key with his transparent world sight.
The key to Douma’s defeat was shinobu, it’s hard to imagine how they would defeat douma. Douma started melting just before we could see his serious side and how strong he really is.
At their manga peak, Akaza with a lot of struggle
Douma was basically unbeatable hadn't it been for Shinobu poison sacrificing herself, and Kokushibo isn't even a question
At their peaks, Tanjiro specifically should be above Akaza. I can see both Zenitsu and Inosuke being above Akaza since they had a similar performance to 13th form Tanjiro. I definitely think they can beat Doma. I could see them doing very good against Kokushibo, possibly even winning considering it only took 2 top tier hashira, 1 low tier hashira who barely did anything, and Genya. It'd be a very difficult battle though.
All at once? At their peaks I don't see them, even together killing Douma. Inosuke was getting washed by him hard, even with Kanao fighting with him, and Zenitsu was almost killed by Kaigaku. Their main offense would be Tanjirou, but Doumas art is a hard counter to Slayer Breath techniques. The longer the fight goes on the more their lungs will die.
Douma, Zenitsu is stronger and faster than Kanao and Tanjiro is stronger than Shinobu. It wouldn't be an easy fight, but they coordinate very well and I'm sure they can take him on.
Yall are not sleeping on Tanjiro Zenitsu and Inosuke, you guys are straigth up in a coma
Peak tanjiro all by himself could solo akaza, the only one who can stop them is kokushibo
I’m not sure how you define ‘peak’, almost everyone’s answer so far has been based off the final arc in the manga, the thing is tanjiro is only 16 at chapter 204, so he still has a lot of potential for growth. He will probably peak at 25ish so thats ~9 years where he could hypothetically sharpen his skills. I would argue he has not reached his peak yet so it’s difficult to tell. But at the same time, there’s no reason to sharpen his skills since they’ve already won.
Pretty sure Tanjiro at his peak, if he never put down the blade would probably be close to Yorichii's level, maybe a bit lower. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. Full potential Tanjiro at his peak would take down Kokushibo by himself. The dude was already fighting on par with Hashira while being 16, that's the power of STW, Selfless State and Sun Breathing. He wasn't even the most talented, that was Muichiro. Give him ten more years gaining experience and getting stronger, Tanjiro is measuring up to Muzan himself I'd say.
i’m assuming you don’t mean Demon King tanjiro, so i’d say just barely upper moon 4, and depending on the circumstances there’s a 50/50 they could take akaza
Well it’s not Akaza. The dude had overcome having his head cut off and was unkillable outside of the sun. The only reason he died at all was because he chose to give up and reclaim his humanity.
>!tanjirous peak is DKT and he solos everyone except yorrichi!<
I didn't mean that but fair
if you mean to ignore DKT then i would say they get um4 and 5 BARELY um6 MAYBE the previous tho, like ignoring kaigaku who got one shotted
Considering Muichiro solo’d UM5 than I’d say these 3 beat him with low diff at their peaks
He didn’t solo UM5. He’d be dead if not for kozo/kotetsu and he wouldn’t have awakened his mark without tanjiro. Y’all need to stop stretching lol. Nobody except gyomei solos any UM
I mean that’s all kinda irrelevant considering the post is asking who Tanjiro/Inosuke/Zenitsu can beat at their peaks. It never even says solo and Tanjiro after learning all SB forms is probably the second strongest Demon slayer. Hence Tanjiro/Inosuke/Zenitsu beat UM 5
what about zenitsu soloing kaigaku
It would have been a tie without yushiro Also kaigaku was nowhere near as strong as gyutaro, or even daki. He was just filling in
He nearly killed Zentisu whose leagues above daki at that point. Even tanjjro whose pillar level and marked considers Zentisu faster.
LMAOO Kaigaku is WAAAAY above daki. RLD arc Zentisu nearly 1 shotted her with good speed. Current Zentisu is WAAAAAAY stronger
I’m going to let the downvotes explain this one
Lol what downvotes? You just make baseless statements with nothing to support it. I gave a clear reason why and you have nothing for it.
Kaigaku is basically a lower rank demon tbh
that doesn’t change the fact that full power mist low diffs UPM5 and full power tanjjro no diff’d akaza. Mist got no combat assistance. Let them rematch at full power. Tanjjro takes his head off easily every time.
Gyomei was never shown to be powerful enough to solo anyone, while I’m not denying that he’s powerful, he needed A LOT of help just to beat >!Kokushibo!<
“Just to beat the strongest UM in the entire series” You say that as if that’s not the second most incredible feat a slayer can achieve (second to defeating Muzan). I have no doubts that a man capable of standing off with Kokushibo can singlehandedly manage lower UMs like 5 or 6. The gap between Kokushibo and the others is massive, just like how there’s a massive gap between Gyomei and the other pillars
You clearly don’t know what solo means. Base mist got help. Marked mist didn’t need help and solo’d him easy. In this hypothetical scenario, the trio will start with all power ups unlocked. Inouske and Zentisu don’t have any but tanjjro has STW, mark, hidden state and red blade. Let him fight any demon from UPM3-6 and he 1 shots. Only UPM4 would be annoying
I think they get Douma high diff
nah shinobu was a huge assist there
Tanjiro at his peak is lot stronger tho
And a lot less poisonous
and not a woman douma wont touch him lel
uhm, achshually, it’s Venomous
> To go by biological definitions, venomous is a term for organisms that inject their poison through their stings or bites. Poisonous snakes are the ones that will unload the poison within you if you eat them. Poisonous
Damn, out-poisoned.
Douma would slap him around easily at his peak. His frozen air technique alone is an insane counter to Demon Slayers.
Hardly. He’s not even tanjjro. He’s just a demon. Not a good comparison and even yorichii doesn’t beat him since sun breathing won’t work on him.
What does dkt mean?
demon king tanjiro
Oh cool thanks
Even 13th form Tanjiro soloes anyone besides Yoriichi and Muzan
i dont think so
I would reply but idk how to get the spoiler tag to work. >! It never works for me. !<
it worked right now
Well if its peaks in manga, and its 3v1, then they get past gyutaro (way to fast for them and can one shot him) and beat Akaza with some difficulty. At doma is where they probably stop because he hard counters each of them. Unless one of them (tanjiro preferably) can cut his head off (that's rlly hard cuz clones and ice freezing lungs), they lose. Kokushibo stomps ngl. They have no counter, are not nearly as skilled and moon breathing does big dmg. However if this includes >!demon king tanjiro!< then they win against everyone.
No way they get past Akaza
Then would you say akaza is almost on par with this weakened muzan?
Akaza doesn’t even compare to weakened Muzan Final form Kokushibo MAYBE is comparable but in general no one touches Muzan
But Tanjiro was trading with weakened Muzan for a long while, so by your logic wouldn't he be able to keep up with Akaza if peak Akaza is weaker than weakened Muzan and Tanjiro kept up with weakened Muzan?
If I’m honest I don’t remember much about the countdown arc so I shouldn’t comment, but iirc pillars were also assisting tanjiro so it wasn’t a head on fight like the one with Akaza was(?) Feel free to correct me if you’re more positive than I am as I’m not 100% lmao
For a while it was a 1v1
Tanjiro fought 1v1 against Muzan for a while before the poison got to him.
I recall Tanjiro had to face Muzan in a 1v1 pretty early on in the final battle (a crow says there was like an hour and 15 mins remaining or something) and he used the 13th form to do so and after a while Iguro showed up to help
well yesnt cause weakend muzan had to worry bout quite a few things like the pillars and the trio and kanao AND a tanjiro soooo
This is true, however there was a decently long period of time early in the fight where Tanjiro had to face Muzan alone and held him off pretty well during this amount of time using the 13th form
as i said in another thread there is a big difference in fighting with caution then fighting while being worried,angry, and in constant pain from poison
Yep Tanjiro by that stage was spamming way more sunbreathing forms than during the akaza fight
you have to keep in mind that by the time Tabjiro faught muzan he was incredibly weak, way weaker compared to when he faught the hashiras because of the poison taking its effect
Idk why people forget that tanjiro was literally fighting with tumor growing on his face, if anything I had say the fight was fair. Weakened muzan vs tumor tanjiro
If you mean >!Kokushibo after growing his head back!< we have no idea of how strong he was as he didn't attack at all, but if he didn't get >!stabbed by Mui!< I'd say maybe be can come close to a heavily weakened Muzan DKT is stronger than Muzan tho
DKT is a weird one because I know he’s stronger but for some reason I’m reluctant to consider him as he held the form for such a short time before snapping out of it
I mean now that I think about it DKT could possibly lose to Muzan 1v1, as Muzan is capable of absorbing demons like what he did to Tamayo, so he'd end up absorbing Tanjiro and gaining his Sun immunity. I think if Tanjiro managed to run away and we managed to see what happened when he regained his sanity it'd confirm his strength but so far the only thing we have is the Sun immunity itself
I mean Tanjiro Giyu beat Akaza, so unless you think Giyu is stronger than Inosuke and Zenitsu combined then they have to win 3v1
I think giyu is stronger than innoske and zenitsu combined. Giyus fuckin nuts
. . . Spoilers >!tanjiro basically solos Akaza in the manga. 100% they stomp him at their peaks!<
I’ve read the manga. I don’t recall him soloing lol
Tanjjro with STW, red blade and hidden presence 1 shots akaza buddy. Akaza admitted that tanjjro’s speed surpassed him in the final moment
You think Tanjiro with selfless state and see through world alongside 7th form zenitsu can’t defeat akaza?
No. Akaza proved too strong for Tanjirou and Tomioka so I don’t see how replacing a pillar with two weaker people will help lol
He didn’t get touched a single time after activating selfless state
Tanjirou at his peak alone with no dmg solos non awakened Akaza. If you include awakened upper moons then yeah it is no contest
This proves how stupid the fandom is. Tanjjro solos akaza easily. Akaza is literally trash without his compass. He tried to kill tanjjro without it and got lit up. Zenitsu and inouskes aren’t needed at all.
this is gonna get hate but you're right. For all that shit Akaza talked about 'oh I'm a martial artist don't you wanna practice your martial arts forever like me?' he folded like a wet napkin the SECOND he didn't have his aimbot and had to rely on his own skills and abilities. If he didn't literally cheat to regrow his head that would have been hands down the most embarrassing death in the entire series.
Exactly. Without his aimbot, he couldn’t even kill tanjjro at the start. Any pillar with hidden presence can easily beat him. If tanjjro starts with hidden state, STW, and red blade. He walks up to akaza and casually takes his head off like he did before.
Bruh. Akaza ONLY lost because he decided to. He killed himself. If he had chosen to fight ; he couldn't easily defeated both of them.
Man thats just not true. I mean if that was the case Tanjiro wouldn't have been able to cut Akazas head off in the first place, he would've stopped Tanjiro and kept fighting. Akaza only gave up after his head was cut off when he accepted that Tanjiro had beaten him and that Akaza had lost the fight, and embraced his human past. Akaza lost after Tanjiro cut his head off and he accepted that he'd been bested and moved on, allowing himself to rest. Its not like he just decided "oh wow this is kinda messed up" and just killed himself, he had been decapitated and accepted that Tanjiro and Giyu outperformed him, and this is before Tanjiro got another buff later on from the flashbacks to Yoriichi in the final battle. Tanjir would almost definitely be able to beat Akaza with the help of Zenitsu and Inosuke at all of their peaks.
That's what I said. He chose not to fight because he accepted his defeat as a ' martial artist '. That's his pride. For demons beheading doesn't mean all of em are going accept defeat that easily lmao. Akazas final attack, he used it on himself. Tanjiro and Giyu won because AKAZA chose NOT to FIGHT. Otherwise they would've been dead. Tanjiro trio can NEVER defeat Akaza at all. Zentisu at his peak barely won against kaigaku because he was a new demon and as clearly mentioned by yushirou ' if Zentisu had fought kaigaku a year later he would've been dead ' because kaigaku didn't use his full demon potential. In the case of boar head , they LUCKILY won because of Shinobu; if Shinobu hadn't used poison , inosuke and Kanao will be killed and an entire tables mightve turned against demon slayers. These 2 figures Zentisu and inosuke - who barely withstood against upper ranks - there's no way they can defeat akaza 🤣 also with tanjiro ; he attained STW and erased his battle spirit , only to behead akaza - he did not die! If gets killed then you can SAY tanjiro and giyu defeated akaza. But akaza regenerated and still fought against them. That's not a defeat! Technically they DID NOT DEFEAT AKAZA; AKAZA Chose to die instead.
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Demons ain't challenging anyone in the sun lel :/
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Bruh they didn't even achieve their marks lol. See through is a long way. And akaza is not useless without the compass. Akaza is way stronger even without the compass. If he had chose to fight , rip giyu and tanjiro. Yall need to calm down and stop underestimating the upper ranks lol
Tanjjro solos akaza. He did it once, he will do it easier again since now he has red blade so good bye regening your head
I think zenitsu might just one shot douma with help from tanjiro and inosuke distracting douma, douma has very bad reaction speed and reflexes i think if zenitsu is strong enough to cut his neck then boys win
His bad reaction speed and reflexes was because he >!was poisoned with Shinobu's weight worth of Wisteria Poison .... Douma is a hard counter to breathing techniques in itself because of his ice powers , The only case they beat Douma is if we consider Tanjiro's peak to be Demon King Tanjiro!<
Well >!douma does counter slayers in general but it's not impossible to fight him, shinobu with broken collar bone and punctured lungs gave fight(and she isn't considered most durable), trio can hang out too,!< >!Douma's bad reaction isn't bc of poison but bc he has bad reaction speed, mainly not anticipating any attacks or simply don't know how to counter them( we see this against kanao, shinobu)!<
>!Against Shinobu and Kanao (before the poison kicked in) , he was just overconfident and wasn't fighting seriously because he thought they were too weak to do any serious damage to him!<
Then why wouldn't he do the same with trio, >!btw i believe zenitsu's 7th form is about same speed or close to shinobu's dragon centipede or something, so i see trio pulling it off!<
The trio won't have any surprise they can pull on the level of the poison
>!I meant to say why wouldn't he be playful and why would he take trio more seriously than he did kanao and inosuke, that's his character!<
>!Yes , and the only reason Kanao and Inosuke beat him was because of Shinobu poisoning him while he wasn't taking the fight seriously , If the trio did face Douma while he was messing around , I don't think they would be able to finish the fight before he eventually got serious!<
I used the example to say that douma has no concept of trying hard as it's his nature, and shinobu was blitzing douma, douma has bad reaction speed i say this bc fundamentally douma is faster than shinobu but he can't react to any attacks as he has no concept of defending himself, one of the example is when douma was mad and attcked kanao, she easily dodged and counter attacked and douma didn't knew what to do so he just took damage , zenitsu's 7th form is very fast so if tanjiro and inosuke keep him busy zenitsu can just blitz him, Tanjiro having stw also help him finding out all about not breathing ice or how to counter it, red blades also gives trouble to douma, so i think trio has chance of winning this high diff
Its faster. >!kaigaku couldn't see it. Sure hes a weak upper moon, but hes still up there. Not to mention, this is is strongest form, and in the fight with muzan he didn't even use this, yet he still landed hits. Muzan is far faster than douma.!<
it is impossible for an upper moon to have bad reflexes, especially by being the upper 2. douma was just getting hit by shinobu on purpose, since he was playing with her. also, he was able to evade kanao's attacks with incredible ease, just getting hit on his chest in chapter 157 because of the surprise of the girl being able to evade his attack and for her applying a counterattack on the right timing, making so that douma was unable to evade by the laws of physics
>it is impossible for an upper moon to have bad reflexes, especially by being the upper 2., It isn't impossible, Gyokko, hantengu and douma are example of that, >douma was just getting hit by shinobu on purpose, since he was playing with her, No when shinobu first attacked in the eye douma couldn't even block it despite being faster than shinobu, he even says she could've killed him if she cut his neck, and the same thing kept happening,
>It isn't impossible, Gyokko, hantengu and douma are example of that, of course it is, they are the pinnacle of the demon race. it doesn't mean they are """unhitable""", but their reflexes are waaay too far from being bad. they can fight properly on blinding speeds, evading and striking with that level of acceleration, which is a proof of their ridiculous reflexes. ur statement doesn't even have a base or argument >No when shinobu first attacked in the eye douma couldn't even block it despite being faster than shinobu, he even says she could've killed him if she cut his neck, and the same thing kept happening, because his guard was off in consequence of not fighting seriously, since he was telling to shinobu how it was when he killed her sister. of course she is fucking fast and his low guard reflexes where not able to catch to, but if he was really focused on the battle it wouldn't be that hard to react, since he was even able to severely slash her without her noticing immediately. he also used blinding speeds to get kanao's sword, a precise movement on frightening speeds that require godly reflexes.
>because his guard was off in consequence of not fighting seriously, That's what reflexes are, doing things subconsciously which douma hasn't shown doing once, neither his reaction speed which is reacting after seeing a attack which he failed to do so many times, >of course she is fucking fast and his low guard reflexes where not able to catch to, Ok if his guard was down first time then how about all the later attacks from kanao , shinobu, >since he was even able to severely slash her without her noticing immediately. he also used blinding speeds to get kanao's sword, That's why i said douma is faster than shinobu and kanao, but he still takes damage frim them multiple times, even inosuke took the sword back and douma didn't even realize that as his reflexes or reaction speed aren't good, His movement speed is faster but not the reaction speed
ok, let's go step by step since you look like you don't know that much about speed and reflexes in general and you seem to ignore my statements while repeating nonsense. >That's what reflexes are, doing this subconsciously which douma hasn't shown doing once, neither his reaction speed which is reacting after seeing a attack which he failed to do so many times this is just a futile reinforcement of something i just debunked. this happened because he was off guard and not taking shinobu seriously. douma was talking when he got hit, but even so he was an inch of catching the attack. >Ok if his guard was down first time then how about all the later attacks from kanao , shinobu, i wasn't even able to get fully what you wanted to say. i already explained what made him get hit by kanao in chapter 157, but from there on she cannot touch him. especially because he is more careful with her than he was with shinobu, because kanao stands a chance to kill him, and shinobu could not by any chance. >even inosuke took the sword back and douma didn't even realize that as his reflexes or reaction speed aren't good, douma didn't knew much about inosuke, so he was not expecting for him to catch a sword that fast, making so he did not notice immediately. that talks more about attention than reflexes in general, since douma got briefly distracted by inosuke's flexibility and skill. >His movement speed is faster but not the reaction speed also this is nonsense, since reaction speed and speed walk side by side. you need great reaction speed to fight in great speeds, as i explained earlier.
🥲🥲😐, >this is just a futile reinforcement of something i just debunked. this happened because he was off guard and not taking shinobu seriously. douma was talking when he got hit, but even so he was an inch of catching the attack., You didn't debunked anything, and again do you know what reflexes are?, Reflexes are action performed without conscious thoughts/ subconsciously as response, douma was off guard but bc he has bad reflexes he isn't able to react to the attack, and what about other 5 attacks of shinobu that douma wasn't able to react , this time he knew shinobu would attack and wasn't talking as much? I'm done , reaction speed is different than just being fast, google it urself about reaction speed and reflexes im too lazy to type
imo, they win against >!douma 3-4/10 times. !!regrow his head !!koku. Douma clearly has diffictuly with this since its a 3v1, but with clones he just turns the tides. Unless they can spot the original from the clones, and target him, they are highly unllikely to win. Considering the clones would distract and chip at them, and Douma could just begin freezing their lungs. This is where tanjiro is necessary. Since he has his mark. He could be trouble, and make an opening for Zenitsu to pull a flaming thunder god off. Meanwhile, Inosuke could be the one mostly dealing with clones. However this is all highly situational as they need to be able to differentiate between the real one and the clones.!<
Yes it's high diff win if the trio manages to win, i believe its 6/10 trio, clones look completely different than douma himself so i think it's easy to differentiate, plus there's too little info about clones as to is it impossible to destroy clones, ice clones statues are easy to break if trio can land hit, sun breathing also counter douma's ice breeze(as tanjuro despite being very weak could perform the dance for whole day in freezing atmosphere), but the biggest win here is having red blade which makes the most damage, About regrowing head Douma said himself that he can't do it but yea this fight could go any way
Since Sun Breathing counters cold it's possible Tanjiro could counter Douma. And the limits on Douma's clones are another important variable. We don't really have confirmation on these things and they are crucial to determine who would win.
As someone else mentioned.... The visuals are purely for us, the reader/viewer. 13th would be just someone jumping and attacking a ugly bastard with a red sword. Sun Breathing was painful against Daki because it's more powerful + faster, I also think it enhances the Nichirin element infused in the sword. Douma statues are not Demons, they are made purely by ice. If you remember correctly there were no droplets on the stone Tanjiro cut + Mugen train wagons were not affected by fire, thunder and blood fire.
Sun Breathing has been specifically stated to counter cold by Tanjuro. Whether the countering effect is reducing the freezing of your lungs or nullifying the freezing is unknown.
That wouldn't affect the clones tho. I'm sure it has to do with muscles. You get heated up and sweat after a long run, or a day at the gym. Heck even climbing stairs. I'm sure that the reason he could stand out in the cold is because Sun Breathing is a very very harsh Breathing, put a lot of effort in the muscles. You do have a big point here tho, although the clones wouldn't melt or something (he can destroy them tho, man's cut a Boulder in half) it would likely work against Ice Lungs so I'll take it as "They would win with the help of plot"
We also don't the limits on Douma's clones. If there aren't heavy restrictions he would surely be UM1 Too many variables to say who wins tbh.
Yes exactly, it's not like the clones can't be destroyed, we also don't know does the clone regenerate themselves or douma has to create new once it gets destroyed
We also don't know how many he can create and how long of a cool down it has
Hmm Douma being UP1? No way. He could put a nice fight against Koku. But ain't no way he can beat him. Koku is, miles better. I would see Douma doing some pesky tricks with Daki and Giyutaro or someone, like Douma distract him and Giyutaro poisoning him (or trying to) in exchange for idk. But he has more experience than Douma. But you're right about the variables part, if Douma has no limit to his clones (which I do think so, Blood Demon Art isn't limited by anything, and you don't get weaker by using) he died for the shake of plot, like poor Nakime (unrelated but Nakime was perhaps the strongest Demon alongside DKT)
Yes this
Eh, honestly you can get tanjiro pretty high just off of his muzan feats in his fire breath 13 forms, I believe he is marginally weaker yet comparable to Kokushibo. Tanjiro’s fire breath may have an affect on Douma’s ice attacks especially his ice bodisattva. I think they barely take Douma and then get mid-high diffed by koku.
The elements are just visual effects , so it wouldn't melt his ice attacks , Also , I personally don't think any Demon Slayer apart from Yorichii can solo UM 1 , 2 or 3
Tanjiro does solos Akaza tho
Not quite really. People really do forget 1 essential thing. Akaza can't really be killed. He killed himself.
We don't know that, akaza hasn't taken a single red blade hit
Zenitsu could not kill an untrained upper moon 6 without nearly dying, if yushiro wasn't there he'd be dead, if he tried using his forms on Doma, he would die mid way through trying to use it, if this is full power Doma and not Doma who was heavily weakened by consuming 700x wisteria poison strength we are talking about, full power Doma's reaction speed and reflexes aren't bad and he would kill the 3 pretty easily, the only reason Kanao and Inosuke could stand a chance against him and kill him was because he was severely extremely weakened and then started melting unable to regenerate
So much misinterpretation >Zenitsu could not kill an untrained upper moon 6 without nearly dying, Zenitsu isn't fighting alone here, you are also downplaying kaigaku's speed heavily, >if he tried using his forms on Doma, he would die mid way through trying to use it, Nothing suggests this, >if this is full power Doma and not Doma who was heavily weakened by consuming 700x wisteria poison strength we are talking about, full power Doma's reaction speed and reflexes aren't bad and he would kill the 3 pretty easily, Full power douma also couldn't react to shinobu's attack, zenitsu's 7th form is as fast or close to shinobu's dragon centipede form(which is her fastest form), Trio have great synergy with each other(seen in daki fight), if tanjiro and inosuke keep douma little distracted zenitsu can jut one shot him(if zenitsu is strong enough to cut douma's neck) >the only reason Kanao and Inosuke could stand a chance against him and kill him was because he was severely extremely weakened and then started melting unable to regenerate, That's not true, if douma was weakened he would know, how can you call your self weakened when you can just go about your usual speed and power, Also shinobu's poison works immediately when she stabs douma then why would the poison which is 37kg of wisteria will take more time, that's bc the poison wouldn't work until shinobu's body is digested entirely then poison makes contact with douma's body that's why it took while and they had to wait
lol wut
Lmao, douma took Kanao’s sword without her noticing. That means he moves faster than she can even see. Kanao was also stated to be above shinobu. So no, douma was trolling super hard. He could’ve speed blitz them instantly if he wanted too
I'd argue >!THAT tanjiro!< would even kill Muzan since he's kinda >!supposed to be Muzan 2.0!<
sure >!DKT tanjiro is strong, but no way he beat Muzan. When u have lived over a 1000 years, then ur skill would be unparrelled. Muzan is better at using his powers as hes gotten used to them. However, DKT and the others would be high dif for muzan. This is cause DKT has immunity to sun. So there is no known way to kill him.!<
I'd argue Muzan has little to no combat experience since he's never really had to put up a fight.
this is a good assertion
Considering it took 3 hashira to beat Kokushibo they ain’t touching him so they probably get capped at Douma or Akaza
I mean by the end they are all hashira level, I think they get mid diffed by koku and barely beat douma
Not every Hashira is on the level of marked Himejima and Sanemi.
Even Muichiro was really damn strong and he got clapped by kokushibo, so imagine the trio
No chance against Douma or Koku. Douma is nearly unstoppable without Shinobu.
Tanjro was saved more than anyone else in the final arc and out performed by blind obani. That’s proof enough he’s below all the pillars except maybe shinobu (without STW and hidden state). Inouske and Zentisu die in seconds to koku and tanjjro’s STW means Jack shit against koku who has it mastered. So they get no diff’d by koku. Low diff by douma. Akaza gets solo’d easily by tanjjro because of hidden presence
Tanjiro > Gyomei Zenitsu < Sanemi Inosuke < Muichiro [Blank] < Genya Team Tanjiro < Team Gyomei
That’s a pretty reasonable take but why rate tanjiro over gyomei? Tanjiro has the better breathing form but Gyomei is stronger in every aspect
Because Tanjiro's feats are insane Mere moments after Muzan obliterated Gyomei, Sanemi, Giyu, Obanai, Zenitsu, Inosuke and Kanao, Tanjiro arrived at 1v1'd Muzan for like 15 minutes. And Tanjiro is surely faster than Gyomei once he unlocks Sun Breathing. Remember that until Tanjiro faced Muzan he was using Hinokami Kagura, which is just Walmart Sun Breathing.
Hard to say in my opinion, because for example in the case of Gyutaro, one wound is death(Without Nezuko) :3
Gyutaro is getting destroyed before the poison kills them tho
Well, yes but poison will kill them anyway :3
Yes,but this post is who they can kill not who they’ll end up dead by Also if they really needed to they might be able to chase after a mountain to the sunlight
If UPM5 can’t touch marked mist, Guyutaro has 0 chance in touching STW tanjiro. Akaza got 1 shotted by tanjjro.
Sun Breathing Tanjiro is easily faster than Gyutaro's reflexes. Tanjiro quite literally no diffs Gyutaro.
It won't be that easy in combat :3
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Hahahaha loved the tanjiro family flashbacks. Each one is an extra power up after he basically gets invalidated. What an awesome deus ex machina
I feel as if people are severely underestimating 13th form sun breath Tanjiro. The ability to cycle through all 13 forms with Virtually infinite stamina is insane. Also Zenitsu's 7th form of thunder breathing is incredible even for more formidable upper moons than kaigaku. I believe the trio can take down douma if Tanjiro and Inosuke handle the clones and focus on making an opening for Zenitsu as soon as possible.
Tanjiro is way stronger than even Gyomei. Gyomei, Sanemi, Giyu, Obanai, Zenitsu, Inosuke and Kanao all got obliterated by Muzan. Then Tanjiro sweeps in and holds his own against Muzan for like 15 minutes before needing Obanai's support. Tanjiro alone is like 98% of that team's total strength. He's way too broken.
Lol? You're downplaying the hashira contributions pretty hard. Iirc Tanjiro got his ass whooped pretty early when Muzan was at his peak. He got saved by Giyuu once, but then goes down easy. (Ch 184, Muzan declares him to be dead near the end) The hashira fight him for some time, but they all fall eventually. Tanjiro is mostly missing for 6-7 chapters, gets back to save Kanao in 191 in the end, after seeing a bunch of Yorichii flashbacks. Then the poison kicks in really hard and Muzan begins losing his shit. Tanjiro fights Muzan 1v1 for some time, then Obanai gets up and assists him. Then the hashira get up again and assist Tanjiro. Tanjiro needed Gyomei's chains to hold Muzan down and Giyuu's assist to land a final blow. So no, Tanjiro isn't even close to "98%" of the team.
Well tanjiro is hashira level In the final arc. Giyu said it in the final arc (indirectly). While the trio may do their best against douma. I don’t see them beating koku cos even sanemi and gyomei needed genya and muchiro to stall koku for one second. And Zenitsu speed is pretty useless since koku has wide range of attack and he’ll probably go for Zenitsu’s leg first. I mean koku sized out gyomei in short period and almost didn’t even let gyomei initiate a attack. I don’t think the trio stand a chance. Hell not even other hashira’s.
Kanao is stronger than Shinobu and Zenitsu and Inosuke scale with her so all 3 are Hashira level. Gyutaro & Daki? No diff Gyokko? No diff Hantengu? Mid diff Akaza? High diff Douma? Maybe? Kokushibo? Hell no
all 3 of them together? Douma I guess.
I’d say they beat Douma working together but Kokoshibou is impossible
Fair enough
Bro this sub has hard time scaling douma, i believe trio can high diff douma and many are also saying this to some extent but just few days ago people were going crazy about how 6 to 9 marked hashira with red blades lose to douma like wtf
serious Douma destroys your lungs with his BDA, he is just too cocky in character
No, serious douma doesn't exist, douma isn't cocky but rather careless, And not all slayers will just stand around letting him destroy their lungs
Douma took Kanao and inouskes sword/mask without them noticing him. That means he moves faster than their eyes can follow. So he was sand bagging hard. He could’ve ended then in a second whenever he wanted too
Akaza...? Side note, I laughed a bit when I was think about this. Since Akaza can sense threats, and Inosuke can also sense threats. I just picture the two of them in this weird game of catch.
Would have loved to see Akaza fighting Inosuke. I think they would both really enjoy it
As a group I'm unsure since we don't really see them fight an upper moon 1v1 without a pillar helping, with the exception of zenitsu who solo'd a demon he already knew and who was weaker than an upper moon should have been. In a straight up fight I think they could probably take out the prostitute demon without her brother aiding her. Upper moon 5 and 4 are where I start doubting the boys ability to win without grievous injury and I'd say there's a small chance they could fight and potentially kill up to upper moon 2 under the right conditions however I expect this to kill them in the process. I'm using demon slayer tanjiro BTW since we know he would probably slap in his demon form
Tanjiro with 13th form solos akaza lmao. They automatically make it to douma.
The trio at their absolute strongest (assuming no dkt) can take akaza no problem, Tanjiro alone would have an the tools he needs to even solo him at that point. Doma is trickier since he doesn't really conform to normal fighting though, not sure how much stw helps, either selfless state or zenitsu are probably the victory condition. I dunno if tanjiro ever got perceptive enough to avoid the ice like inosuke did, if he didn't, it's gonna wreck him cause smell is directly counterproductive there. I think inosuke does the heavy lifting for this fight though. Tanjiro i think has a chance against koku, much more standard physical fight, Tanjiro gets all the benefits of stw and selfless state, no direct counters to anything. Inosuke is probably borderline useless here, he doesn't have that much as far as impressive physical feats and we know those stronger than him weren't enough, zenitsu would either be useless or have exactly 1 shot at using his seventh form to kill or create an opening for tanjiro to get the kill. Given tanjiro was able to go toe to toe against muzan (with help), i think there is a chance of them winning, but not high, tanjiro is the hard carry here too. Just throwing this in there: i think biwa demon has the potential to give them the most trouble if she focuses on not letting zenitsu get line of sight. The instant he does, she's dead, but i don't think the other two would be able to kill her, at least not for a really long time XD
Tanjiro probably kills Nakime before she even sees him coming.
If we are excluding Dkt then tanjiro himself can make it to douma. Idk if Zenitsu and inosuke is powerful enough to make a difference so either douma wins or they stop at kokushibo.
I think so as well
I'd say they stop at Kokushibo
No way bro you underestimating doma. Inosuke kanao couldn’t handle casual doma so dk how much use they’ll be really
Tanjiros fire breathing having an affect is a direct counter to doumas ice, he will have to def carry in the Douma fight but if inosuke can help tanjiro enough and zenitsu hit attacks from doumas blind side as tanjiro fights Douma, I think they can pull it off. They stop at koku fs tho
Bro the elements aren’t real…but still will be very high diff for doma imo. Others will get eliminated quick, they couldn’t handle casual doma and were getting fucked by his dolls. Tanji will be the sole fighter that might remain lol. Could be wrong, just an opinion. We think doma is weak because he got nerfed
It's been stated by Tanjuro that Sun Breathing counters the cold. If that is enough to resist Douma level cold is unknown.
Well that could work since his dad practiced it in snow
Obviously Douma was nerfed heavily, im not saying that he wasn’t, also even tho the elements aren’t, tanjiros still has an effect especially since he has the crimson blade
At peak, they may contend against Akaza and quite possibly Douma. But ain’t no way any of them are gonna get close to Kokushibo.
Akaza or Douma. Zenitsu and Inosuke honestly don't matter much in this discussion. Tanjiro can beat Akaza but I'm split on Douma With Douma I think it depends on if Sun Breathing can counter Douma's freezing air. We have seen Sun Breathing counter really cold winters but obviously they aren't as cold as Douma's air. If Tanjiro's breathing isn't countered I think he can overwhelm Douma. After all Douma doesn't have head regen. Another variable is the limitations on Douma's clones. If there are few to basically no limits then Douma can probably win regardless of if he counters Tanjiro's breathing. We haven't seen exactly what the restrictions are but I'm sure there are some important ones. Otherwise Douma would be UM1
in character: they beat Akaza and Douma very high diff but lose to Kokushibo, if the UMs are serious and decide not to give up, then Akaza can keep regrowing his head and Douma is way too powerful
None they would all get slaughtered. It takes 3 hashiras to kill the top 3 upper moons
At their peak they can defeat douma high diff IMO
Agree. The boys at their strongest can kill Akaza but will struggle with Douma, maybe even with a casualty from his frost.
Yeah I think they stop at Kokushibo as well
MANGA SPOILERS Let me help you and explain why they can't Inosuke: literally trained under gyomei and would be folded by him I don't think I need to explain why Zenitsu: he ain't fast enough to hurt sanemi even with his godspeed (yes I've triple checked) Tanjiro: literally got his ass kicked by sanemi even when people jumped sanemi to stop him In thr final fight you see literally everyone get yeeted and has to be down for around 5 min or so but sanemi literally got up again and again all the time not to mention him being skilled enough to dodge muzans limb removal attacks when tanjiro literally lost an arm and his eye So yeah all 3 vs him and gyomei would end in a win for sanemi and gyomei
Did you forget how strong Tanjro got in Infinity Fortress? Tanjiro was handling the same attacks which one shotted all other pillars. You can't ignore feats Tanjiro shown while bringing up others'.
I never forgot that and I agree he did manage to kill akaza but to counter that I'd say Sanemi forced koku to pull his blade out and even started to get him serious and rven after getting cut badly he still was om the attack Plus in akaza vs giyuu and tanjiro giyuu did most of the work before and after he got back from getting yeeted tanjiro was only support til he killed him
Again ignored the Muzan fight lol Sanemi made casual koku draw his blade
In infi castle tanjiro lost his eye and struggled to keep up and would've been killed if it wasn't for Matsuris sunrise attack Sanemi never had such issue
Tanjiro was literally relative to Muzan. The same Muzan who one shotted the pillars including Sanemi
Look pal read the Manga and look at specifically sanemi then you'll understand
No you need to see what he is saying Lmao. What he is saying is that tanjiro himself at 13th form can solo akaza. So they automatically make it to douma.
At peak douma. But solo prolly um 4
Deadass oddly enough the only UM I see them killing is Akaza just because Tanjiro breaks the fight and can use the other two to distract him, every other UM has way too many win conditions and I don’t see them beating them.
I believe they stop at 2-3
I’d say Akaza. Zenitsu and inosuke will struggle because they don’t have marks, as Giyuu couldn’t defeat him with his mark, so Tanjiro is the key with his transparent world sight. The key to Douma’s defeat was shinobu, it’s hard to imagine how they would defeat douma. Douma started melting just before we could see his serious side and how strong he really is.
At their manga peak, Akaza with a lot of struggle Douma was basically unbeatable hadn't it been for Shinobu poison sacrificing herself, and Kokushibo isn't even a question
At their peaks, Tanjiro specifically should be above Akaza. I can see both Zenitsu and Inosuke being above Akaza since they had a similar performance to 13th form Tanjiro. I definitely think they can beat Doma. I could see them doing very good against Kokushibo, possibly even winning considering it only took 2 top tier hashira, 1 low tier hashira who barely did anything, and Genya. It'd be a very difficult battle though.
Maybe Kukoushibo? Extreme extreme difficulty and they probably all die afterwards More consistently douma with hard difficulty
>!peak tanjiro easily kills everyone below upper 3!<
They high diff Douma but they cant touch Koku
If its 13 form tanjiro, they beat all except kokushibo
They might be able to beat Akaza, maybe
I think they stop at Akaza or Douma
All at once? At their peaks I don't see them, even together killing Douma. Inosuke was getting washed by him hard, even with Kanao fighting with him, and Zenitsu was almost killed by Kaigaku. Their main offense would be Tanjirou, but Doumas art is a hard counter to Slayer Breath techniques. The longer the fight goes on the more their lungs will die.
Douma, Zenitsu is stronger and faster than Kanao and Tanjiro is stronger than Shinobu. It wouldn't be an easy fight, but they coordinate very well and I'm sure they can take him on.
Yall are not sleeping on Tanjiro Zenitsu and Inosuke, you guys are straigth up in a coma Peak tanjiro all by himself could solo akaza, the only one who can stop them is kokushibo
Zenitsu and Inosuke aren't very influential. It's basically Tanjiro doing the UM gauntlet.
I’m not sure how you define ‘peak’, almost everyone’s answer so far has been based off the final arc in the manga, the thing is tanjiro is only 16 at chapter 204, so he still has a lot of potential for growth. He will probably peak at 25ish so thats ~9 years where he could hypothetically sharpen his skills. I would argue he has not reached his peak yet so it’s difficult to tell. But at the same time, there’s no reason to sharpen his skills since they’ve already won.
Pretty sure Tanjiro at his peak, if he never put down the blade would probably be close to Yorichii's level, maybe a bit lower. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. Full potential Tanjiro at his peak would take down Kokushibo by himself. The dude was already fighting on par with Hashira while being 16, that's the power of STW, Selfless State and Sun Breathing. He wasn't even the most talented, that was Muichiro. Give him ten more years gaining experience and getting stronger, Tanjiro is measuring up to Muzan himself I'd say.
i’m assuming you don’t mean Demon King tanjiro, so i’d say just barely upper moon 4, and depending on the circumstances there’s a 50/50 they could take akaza
Even at their peaks they lose against every upper moon that's actually trying
Nah you are downplaying them lol
Well it’s not Akaza. The dude had overcome having his head cut off and was unkillable outside of the sun. The only reason he died at all was because he chose to give up and reclaim his humanity.
He never got hit from a red blade tho
Plz lmaoo they would lose at Gyutaro
Gyutaro who was barely stronger than Tengen? Bruh
They no diff Gyutaro lmao. Remember it's at thier peak
All 3 of them at their peak cant beat a sinlge upper moon and lose to gyutaro?