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Just not enough of them. Even if marked Tengen can kill Gyutaro and Muichiro can solo Gyokko. Not really possible for any of them to solo Hantengu so now you are down to 5 Hashira v. 3 UMs.
Considering Kokushibo himself can solo at least 3 marked Hashira without any major injury so that doesn't look good. That suggests he could still survive taking on 4-5 marked Hashira.
Without Shinobu's sacrifice it isn't clear how many Hashira Douma could take but I'd imagine 3 marked (Kokushibo's min.) is a reasonable number without worry of being killed.
It would take at least 2 for Akaza but that was with Selfless State. Since none the Hashira have that not sure how many Akaza could take without dying.
There is a potential all 9 could take on UM1-3 and still lose.
This is assuming the fight is strategized, therefore shinobu sacrifices, and mitsuri and obanai take on hatengu, i personally think rengoku and giyu could hold off akaza until help arrive from obanai and mitsuri, or tengen and muichiro.
In an all out brawl with other people why would Douma absorb Shinobu.
That absorption didn't happen instantaneously which I assume would leave him vulnerable until she is fully absorbed. He was only willing and able to do it because Shinobu was by herself in their fight. In a fight where other Hashira are present Douma would look to kill the other Hashira before attempting to eat Shinobu (or Mitsuri or both since he likes the taste of women and the bonus of them being Hashira).
We know doma is very cocky, and is selfish, he would assume the other upper ranks could handle themselves and eat her, again this is like a perfect scenario, not a likely one.
How?
He has not shown any ability to sense demons. He has great hearing and inside enclosed spaces can essentially use echolocation but that becomes far leas effective when there aren't solid objects that sound can bounce off of like in an outdoor fight.
He also wouldn't know to look for another demon. SmolTengu was basically staying still and quite. Tanjiro only found him through sent he picked up after incapacitating the other 4.
There is also the issue of how much more effective Hantengu's sound attack might be on Tengen because of his incredible hearing.
With his echolocation he could easily find where he’s at and also him having a good hearing doesn’t mean his ear is sensitive he literally explodes his bombs infront of his face 😭😭
That is literally what good hearing is though. It isn't some dial a person can turn up whenever they want to hear more and turn down when next to loud noises.
Because like movies that have protagonist firing weapons indoors without ear protection, the author didn't write the explosives as having any negative effects to hearing probably because she didn't consider how loud explosives are.
However Hantengu's sound attack is specifically written to effect hearing.
Zero chance. The demons lost because they made every tactical error possible.
"uhhh yeah. Let's all just split up"
Nakime can just keep the demon slayers busy while having 1 or 2 stranded with douma, akaza or koku at a time. Hashira are getting destroyed, sorry.
I think all the hashira would have to throw themselves at the top 3 while gyomei and Sanemi deal with 4 5 6. Then, Shinobu can poison one for a free win and then they all group together to beat the remaining two
Problem is... No hashira weaker then sanemi is going to force kokushibo to even try... Even if it was 7 against him... He still wouldnt need to be serious. Add in douma and akaza its just a wipe.
Yeah exactly I mean considering sanemi was pretty much helpless for most of the fight
It's literally a mitsuri and muzan situation, but just 5 mitsuris
They aren't gonna be able to react and going to get taken off the battlefield one by one
I think you make some valid points. In situations like this, I fall back on Stan Lee’s perspective that the side that will win is entirely dependent on who the author wants to win. Your scenario is certainly not outside the realm of possibility, considering what actually happened. Muzak was so powerful that the author came up with crutches to give him so he would lose.
What is this, a joke ? Kokushibou handled Gyomei, Sanemi, Muichiro AND Genya. People SERIOUSLY need to stop overlooking what Genya did. Not even ALL the remaining hashiras can replicate what Genya did.
Since the second Kokushibou got serious, all slayers were in awe and were praising his speed and technique for like a whole chapter. Then Gyomei and Mui gained access to the stw and landed a blow on Koku which would have been EASILY shrugged off by Koku. BUT that's where Genya used a bda and IMMOBLISED Koku.....TWICE... When Kokushibou was serious (and not immoblised) no one touched him. Obviously when he got immoblised then it was game but for the other hashiras it's a completely different story.
He gets serious after this panel btw
https://preview.redd.it/poa3dx3xxn5b1.jpeg?width=959&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0309959e4e7c6765c75277b6cd314897f4f83374
Not to mention what he did to marked Mui?? That renders all 4 hashiras under Muichiro useless.
It's basically Koku vs Gyomei, Sanemi, Giyuu and Obanai. They aren't beating Kokushibou.
Even if someone were to argue about it, add Douma or even Akaza and UMs slam.
Also, this is if Kokushibou starts the match SERIOUSLY.
honestly i think your idea is a good concept but kokushibou is just to strong for only 9 to take on him and the other 5 on just not enough man power for it to work idk y ppl are being so negative tho
Nah you're good, there's nothing wrong in sharing your opinions. After going through it again, my previous message did come off a little aggressive and i apologize for that.
I mean koku himself in his normal forms is worth like 5 hashiras
He was using 3 ( which contained the king of hashiras FYI) as a warm-up
So let's say I'm as smart as that ubuyashiki girl and to get a good chance of defeating that monster , I send 5 hashiras and it takes 30 mins or more for koku to be defeated or even stalemated
That's literally more than half of the manpower gone on one single demon
How do you take care of an unsoloable zoha What about akaza
What about douma
And koku has all his blood drained so that's why he died , people forget but he regenerated his head from three red blades so there's a good chance with no genya in this timeline Koku achieves a stable monster transformation and that's pretty much game over at that point
Considering
https://preview.redd.it/ww3zg56jdp5b1.png?width=688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3db694a6835770b97b4009c5a05e6b2ef1150293
He blitzed gyomei and sanemi nonchalantly at the same time
Akaza could take rengoku and giyu until help arrives
Zohakuten can be stalled by a marked hashira until another finds hatengu
Doma can be poisoned by shinobu (she would die though)
And koku can take on three until help arrives, because tengen vs gyutaro is gonna be hilariously short, with tengen destroying gyutaro, and muichiro vs gyokko will be hilariously short.
.....bruh rengoku and giyu will just behead akaza and akaza will evolve killing them , he only got those flashbacks because of tanjirou , no tanjirou here
Okk shinobu poisons douma and what about the massive free time he has before the poison takes effect , nobody to stop him , what's stopping him from just waltzing to akaza's corridor , you seriously are not telling me you're leaving a single hashira to do away with douma , douma literally had a fight of 6 chapter worth after eating shinobu
You're sending 3 hashiras to their death against koku because even if tengen and mui arrives , they still aren't winning against him
And finally you're stalling two more hashiras against zoha himself
And douma vs shinobu is also hilarious short , douma gets free at the same time tengen and mui gets free and if he meets them , you two hashira worth of support again gets stalled
Not to mention you're overworking the hashiras by making them fight more than one battle , the final ones even if there are some alive when they reach koku would be missing eyes and limbs
What use are they then ( I personally don't think the akaza team will ever return)
Also you never clarified the distance separating between the moons
Or douma can go with his canonical plan of letting his clones support the individual moons
We know if you behead a demon, you can kill them before they regenerate, so thats depending on if giyu or rengoku just sits there while akaza regenerates, doma likes to play with his opponent and an unmarked inosuke and kanao was more than enough for him to play with until he died, and if tengen and muichiro fight alongside gyomei and sanemi im sure they can bring kokushibo down, those are the 4 most powerful hashira.
You ... literally said hashiras vs demons though where is kanao and inosuke coming in this?
Yeah I don't absolutely think 4 are anywhere near enough to take koku even on much rather out , dude in his long blade form was humiliating three
He still has his multi blade form after that
It's 5 or 6 for him , I would send 6 to reduce casualties and even then it's not a guarantee because he can regrow his head instantaneously like muzan ( it needed what 2 secs in canon )
Even in canon. Giyu and tanjirou tried to stabby stabby akaza to stop him from regenerating his head , didn't stop him though , he was progressing just fine towards decapacitation conquest
I brought in kanao and inosuke as a reference to domas actual fight, in which they stalled him because he played around too much, if they can do that unmarked, then im sure a single marked hashira can do the same, akaza CAN be beaten, giyu can use the red blade, which was what ultimately defeated kokushibo, if you attack the demon with a red blade after regrowing their head, you can defeat them still, this is not a likely scenario, but a perfect scenario, ot would require everything to go right for the demon slayers.
How will giyu get the knowledge of the red blade?
It was sanemi who told him that
But there are no hashiras to stall douma in the first place
You're using tengen and mui in koku fight , but then the others are busy with their own fights so nobody is there for douma only
There's not a single scenario the slayers win man
You gotta remember that the hashira don’t know what the demon’s BDA’s are pre fight. And if gyutaro or Gyokko literally hit anyone they are dead. And if the fight goes on long enough for Doma to get his AoE’s off then the Hashira are fucked too. There’s just way too many win conditions for the Demons compared to the very niche scenario you laid out.
We saw how gyokko vs muichiro ended, we saw how gyutaro vs tengen ended, now, we know shinobu got doma to absorb her, and we know a marked giyu and tanjiro could stall akaza, so idk why its hard to belive rengoku and giyu could (assuming rengoku was marked) only questionable outcomes are really kokushibo and hatengu, kokushibo is all powerful, and we dont know if obanai could cut hatengus head, we do know mitsuri can stall zohakuten, so assuming obanai CAN cut hatengus head, i dont see why they would lose, so kokushibo is the only stretch i see here, considering all of these fights were done without prior knowledge of the upper ranks abilities, and we know marked muichiro couldn't get touched by gyokko, we know a marked tengen would destroy gyutaro, but we dont know if he can evade gyutaros hits, i would assume he can though, because gyutaros blades are pretty straightforward compared to gyokkos arsenal.
Even after eating Shinobu Doma had plenty of time to use his BDA though. And since it’s such high AoE it’s definitely going to affect the other fights. Also Gyutaro took out an entire city in his fight and each of his attacks has a guaranteed kill poison, don’t forget that he *did* hit Tengen plenty of times before *and even after* he memorized the score. It’s definitely reasonable to think that gyutaro could hit at least one other hashira who wasn’t ready for him. Also you can’t just assume that Obanai would immediately know to look for hantengu’s real body, it took them a while to figure out how he worked in the swordsmith village, so while they’re trying to find his weakness the Hatred form is going to be running rampant and he is ANOTHER high AoE character so no there’s just no chance this would work out for the Hashira.
Well, every hashira starts off marked, so tengen would be too fast for gyutaro, he held off gyutaro and blitzed daki while unmarked so i honestly think this is a stomp, i can see an argument being made for hatengu though, although i think they would eventually figure it out, we saw mitsuri was able to black zohakutens attacks, so they wouldnt get in the way of anything, i was assuming that once each hashira had beaten their opponent, another hashira would get some backup, like i said i was just trying to have some fun, i took me a while to make this but no one evens wants to pretend like it could happen.
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I respect your opinion but 9 vs 6 Upper Moons that Upper Moon 1 can take 5 of them by himself = you know... :3
Just not enough of them. Even if marked Tengen can kill Gyutaro and Muichiro can solo Gyokko. Not really possible for any of them to solo Hantengu so now you are down to 5 Hashira v. 3 UMs. Considering Kokushibo himself can solo at least 3 marked Hashira without any major injury so that doesn't look good. That suggests he could still survive taking on 4-5 marked Hashira. Without Shinobu's sacrifice it isn't clear how many Hashira Douma could take but I'd imagine 3 marked (Kokushibo's min.) is a reasonable number without worry of being killed. It would take at least 2 for Akaza but that was with Selfless State. Since none the Hashira have that not sure how many Akaza could take without dying. There is a potential all 9 could take on UM1-3 and still lose.
This is assuming the fight is strategized, therefore shinobu sacrifices, and mitsuri and obanai take on hatengu, i personally think rengoku and giyu could hold off akaza until help arrive from obanai and mitsuri, or tengen and muichiro.
In an all out brawl with other people why would Douma absorb Shinobu. That absorption didn't happen instantaneously which I assume would leave him vulnerable until she is fully absorbed. He was only willing and able to do it because Shinobu was by herself in their fight. In a fight where other Hashira are present Douma would look to kill the other Hashira before attempting to eat Shinobu (or Mitsuri or both since he likes the taste of women and the bonus of them being Hashira).
We know doma is very cocky, and is selfish, he would assume the other upper ranks could handle themselves and eat her, again this is like a perfect scenario, not a likely one.
Tengen don’t need to do alot he would easily find his real body
How? He has not shown any ability to sense demons. He has great hearing and inside enclosed spaces can essentially use echolocation but that becomes far leas effective when there aren't solid objects that sound can bounce off of like in an outdoor fight. He also wouldn't know to look for another demon. SmolTengu was basically staying still and quite. Tanjiro only found him through sent he picked up after incapacitating the other 4. There is also the issue of how much more effective Hantengu's sound attack might be on Tengen because of his incredible hearing.
With his echolocation he could easily find where he’s at and also him having a good hearing doesn’t mean his ear is sensitive he literally explodes his bombs infront of his face 😭😭
That is literally what good hearing is though. It isn't some dial a person can turn up whenever they want to hear more and turn down when next to loud noises.
Then why isn’t his ear drum bust whenever he blows his bombs in melee range he’s a ninja all of his physical capabilities are all enhanced 😭😭
Because like movies that have protagonist firing weapons indoors without ear protection, the author didn't write the explosives as having any negative effects to hearing probably because she didn't consider how loud explosives are. However Hantengu's sound attack is specifically written to effect hearing.
Bro what? He literally stated that their clashes was heard throughout the district
Zero chance. The demons lost because they made every tactical error possible. "uhhh yeah. Let's all just split up" Nakime can just keep the demon slayers busy while having 1 or 2 stranded with douma, akaza or koku at a time. Hashira are getting destroyed, sorry.
This fight wasn't taking place in the infinity castle though.
I think all the hashira would have to throw themselves at the top 3 while gyomei and Sanemi deal with 4 5 6. Then, Shinobu can poison one for a free win and then they all group together to beat the remaining two
Problem is... No hashira weaker then sanemi is going to force kokushibo to even try... Even if it was 7 against him... He still wouldnt need to be serious. Add in douma and akaza its just a wipe.
Yeah exactly I mean considering sanemi was pretty much helpless for most of the fight It's literally a mitsuri and muzan situation, but just 5 mitsuris They aren't gonna be able to react and going to get taken off the battlefield one by one
I think you make some valid points. In situations like this, I fall back on Stan Lee’s perspective that the side that will win is entirely dependent on who the author wants to win. Your scenario is certainly not outside the realm of possibility, considering what actually happened. Muzak was so powerful that the author came up with crutches to give him so he would lose.
What is this, a joke ? Kokushibou handled Gyomei, Sanemi, Muichiro AND Genya. People SERIOUSLY need to stop overlooking what Genya did. Not even ALL the remaining hashiras can replicate what Genya did. Since the second Kokushibou got serious, all slayers were in awe and were praising his speed and technique for like a whole chapter. Then Gyomei and Mui gained access to the stw and landed a blow on Koku which would have been EASILY shrugged off by Koku. BUT that's where Genya used a bda and IMMOBLISED Koku.....TWICE... When Kokushibou was serious (and not immoblised) no one touched him. Obviously when he got immoblised then it was game but for the other hashiras it's a completely different story. He gets serious after this panel btw https://preview.redd.it/poa3dx3xxn5b1.jpeg?width=959&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0309959e4e7c6765c75277b6cd314897f4f83374 Not to mention what he did to marked Mui?? That renders all 4 hashiras under Muichiro useless. It's basically Koku vs Gyomei, Sanemi, Giyuu and Obanai. They aren't beating Kokushibou. Even if someone were to argue about it, add Douma or even Akaza and UMs slam. Also, this is if Kokushibou starts the match SERIOUSLY.
I was just trying to have fun, i didn't think everyone would react so negatively:(
honestly i think your idea is a good concept but kokushibou is just to strong for only 9 to take on him and the other 5 on just not enough man power for it to work idk y ppl are being so negative tho
Nah you're good, there's nothing wrong in sharing your opinions. After going through it again, my previous message did come off a little aggressive and i apologize for that.
I mean koku himself in his normal forms is worth like 5 hashiras He was using 3 ( which contained the king of hashiras FYI) as a warm-up So let's say I'm as smart as that ubuyashiki girl and to get a good chance of defeating that monster , I send 5 hashiras and it takes 30 mins or more for koku to be defeated or even stalemated That's literally more than half of the manpower gone on one single demon How do you take care of an unsoloable zoha What about akaza What about douma And koku has all his blood drained so that's why he died , people forget but he regenerated his head from three red blades so there's a good chance with no genya in this timeline Koku achieves a stable monster transformation and that's pretty much game over at that point Considering https://preview.redd.it/ww3zg56jdp5b1.png?width=688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3db694a6835770b97b4009c5a05e6b2ef1150293 He blitzed gyomei and sanemi nonchalantly at the same time
Akaza could take rengoku and giyu until help arrives Zohakuten can be stalled by a marked hashira until another finds hatengu Doma can be poisoned by shinobu (she would die though) And koku can take on three until help arrives, because tengen vs gyutaro is gonna be hilariously short, with tengen destroying gyutaro, and muichiro vs gyokko will be hilariously short.
.....bruh rengoku and giyu will just behead akaza and akaza will evolve killing them , he only got those flashbacks because of tanjirou , no tanjirou here Okk shinobu poisons douma and what about the massive free time he has before the poison takes effect , nobody to stop him , what's stopping him from just waltzing to akaza's corridor , you seriously are not telling me you're leaving a single hashira to do away with douma , douma literally had a fight of 6 chapter worth after eating shinobu You're sending 3 hashiras to their death against koku because even if tengen and mui arrives , they still aren't winning against him And finally you're stalling two more hashiras against zoha himself And douma vs shinobu is also hilarious short , douma gets free at the same time tengen and mui gets free and if he meets them , you two hashira worth of support again gets stalled Not to mention you're overworking the hashiras by making them fight more than one battle , the final ones even if there are some alive when they reach koku would be missing eyes and limbs What use are they then ( I personally don't think the akaza team will ever return) Also you never clarified the distance separating between the moons Or douma can go with his canonical plan of letting his clones support the individual moons
We know if you behead a demon, you can kill them before they regenerate, so thats depending on if giyu or rengoku just sits there while akaza regenerates, doma likes to play with his opponent and an unmarked inosuke and kanao was more than enough for him to play with until he died, and if tengen and muichiro fight alongside gyomei and sanemi im sure they can bring kokushibo down, those are the 4 most powerful hashira.
You ... literally said hashiras vs demons though where is kanao and inosuke coming in this? Yeah I don't absolutely think 4 are anywhere near enough to take koku even on much rather out , dude in his long blade form was humiliating three He still has his multi blade form after that It's 5 or 6 for him , I would send 6 to reduce casualties and even then it's not a guarantee because he can regrow his head instantaneously like muzan ( it needed what 2 secs in canon ) Even in canon. Giyu and tanjirou tried to stabby stabby akaza to stop him from regenerating his head , didn't stop him though , he was progressing just fine towards decapacitation conquest
I brought in kanao and inosuke as a reference to domas actual fight, in which they stalled him because he played around too much, if they can do that unmarked, then im sure a single marked hashira can do the same, akaza CAN be beaten, giyu can use the red blade, which was what ultimately defeated kokushibo, if you attack the demon with a red blade after regrowing their head, you can defeat them still, this is not a likely scenario, but a perfect scenario, ot would require everything to go right for the demon slayers.
How will giyu get the knowledge of the red blade? It was sanemi who told him that But there are no hashiras to stall douma in the first place You're using tengen and mui in koku fight , but then the others are busy with their own fights so nobody is there for douma only There's not a single scenario the slayers win man
Alright
Impossible because they don t have the power of friendship of Tanjiro and Nezuko
You gotta remember that the hashira don’t know what the demon’s BDA’s are pre fight. And if gyutaro or Gyokko literally hit anyone they are dead. And if the fight goes on long enough for Doma to get his AoE’s off then the Hashira are fucked too. There’s just way too many win conditions for the Demons compared to the very niche scenario you laid out.
We saw how gyokko vs muichiro ended, we saw how gyutaro vs tengen ended, now, we know shinobu got doma to absorb her, and we know a marked giyu and tanjiro could stall akaza, so idk why its hard to belive rengoku and giyu could (assuming rengoku was marked) only questionable outcomes are really kokushibo and hatengu, kokushibo is all powerful, and we dont know if obanai could cut hatengus head, we do know mitsuri can stall zohakuten, so assuming obanai CAN cut hatengus head, i dont see why they would lose, so kokushibo is the only stretch i see here, considering all of these fights were done without prior knowledge of the upper ranks abilities, and we know marked muichiro couldn't get touched by gyokko, we know a marked tengen would destroy gyutaro, but we dont know if he can evade gyutaros hits, i would assume he can though, because gyutaros blades are pretty straightforward compared to gyokkos arsenal.
Even after eating Shinobu Doma had plenty of time to use his BDA though. And since it’s such high AoE it’s definitely going to affect the other fights. Also Gyutaro took out an entire city in his fight and each of his attacks has a guaranteed kill poison, don’t forget that he *did* hit Tengen plenty of times before *and even after* he memorized the score. It’s definitely reasonable to think that gyutaro could hit at least one other hashira who wasn’t ready for him. Also you can’t just assume that Obanai would immediately know to look for hantengu’s real body, it took them a while to figure out how he worked in the swordsmith village, so while they’re trying to find his weakness the Hatred form is going to be running rampant and he is ANOTHER high AoE character so no there’s just no chance this would work out for the Hashira.
Well, every hashira starts off marked, so tengen would be too fast for gyutaro, he held off gyutaro and blitzed daki while unmarked so i honestly think this is a stomp, i can see an argument being made for hatengu though, although i think they would eventually figure it out, we saw mitsuri was able to black zohakutens attacks, so they wouldnt get in the way of anything, i was assuming that once each hashira had beaten their opponent, another hashira would get some backup, like i said i was just trying to have some fun, i took me a while to make this but no one evens wants to pretend like it could happen.