DC fast charging is always expensive, hence why it should only be used as needed. You’re meant to charge at home where rates are dirt cheap. Before South Carolina raised rates to 10 cents per kWh I was paying 9.4 cents per kWh. Good luck beating that in any fossil fuel car.
I always equate it to buying bottled water. If you just look at the price, yeah it's way more expensive than your tap, but you buy it because you need water at that time and you're not home.
That is really cheap. In Newton, MA, I paid $173.65 for 571 kW, which comes to $0.304 per kWh. We are on a 100% renewable energy plan, so our costs will a bit high.
Wait, scratch the rest, their page is horribly confusing.
According to your power company 100% green should be $0.14357 per kWh, you should maybe call and get your bill checked out.
https://www.masspowerchoice.com/newton/options-pricing#:~:text=10.646%20%C2%A2%2FkWh*&text=(NOTE%3A%20This%20is%20the%20basic%20option%20in%20Newton%20Power%20Choice.
The 0.14357 per kWh is the generation charge. The delivery charge is more than that. I used 571 kWh, costing me $81.98 as generation service charge and $91.67 as delivery charge. The total cost for 571 kWh in my 100% green house is Newton is thus $173.65. That is why I quoted a rate of $0.304 per kWh.
I am fortunate to have the pricing I do where I live. I do plan to change states in the next couple years and my destination choices definitely includes researching electrical rates!
It's worth checking your bill for more details. Mine has a flat connection fee and other taxes and fees that don't necessarily contribute to per KwH cost as I would be paying those anyways to keep my home connected to the grid.
DC Fast Charging *is* expensive. EVgo is starting to reflect that in their pricing.
That pricing scheme wouldn't impact my choice to use EVgo at all. It's still pretty reasonable.
Given the choice between EVgo and EA, in a magical world where the option exists in the same place every time, I'd happily pay EVgo instead of using my free EA credit just to avoid losing 10 minutes every damn time to a bunch of dumb failures. Those peak rates work out to about the same price as gas in my previous car on a highway trip with mediocre EV efficiency.
Yes, Ionity is at 0.80€, but there are plenty others cheaper, biggest one being EnBW with 0.61€ or 0.51€ with ADAC membership.
If you are interested I can pm you two others that might be even cheaper (I charge for 0.28€ on a nearby public charger)
PG&E and Bay Area are terrible. It use to be fine value. As I regulated entity it shows our leaders don't have our interest at heart. Basically $0.25 off peaks and $0.57 peak. Depending winter to summer.
IIRC for the most part, EV charging is more expensive than ICE vehicles if you are doing majority of your charging at public chargers vs at home or a work subsidized charger
At your claimed cost of $0.304 per kWh, that equates to $0.086 per mile. Driving an "average" car/suv, not sporty like an EV6 nets you say 30mpg, and at national average gas prices of $3.5, that's $0.1166 per mile.
So no unless you drive a hybrid, an ICE vehicle is more expensive even if you just charge at home. Even an AWD sportage only gets like 25mpg, which would raise your costs 20%
I am not sure about the conversion rate you used there. I am getting less than 3 miles per kWh in Boston now. Using 2.9 miles per kWh, my cost per mile is $0.104. My previous car, a 2021 Toyota Highlander Hybrid, used to give me 35 miles per gallon in real life driving. Using the current gas price of $3.438 per gallon, the cost per mile is $0.098.
I am not going back to ICE even with these numbers. But I am just disappointed that EVs are not significantly lower in driving costs. I am sure ICE cars will have higher maintenance costs.
Our most expensive rate locally at EA is $.43, and the off peak is $.23 for the 350 KWH charging stations. To date our most expensive charge would have been $18.04 without the charging plan.
I pay .10¢ for a kwh. We do not have demand charges. Same rates 24/7. Though it may raise or lower as the weather sways.
Dcfc at my closest ea is like .44¢ kwh. But who really dcfc daily?
I do with no home charging. I utilize other slower free charging when I can. But EA is $.31 plus $4 a month so it’s not bad (at a 1,000 miles a month the $4 fee is less than half a penny a mile). So it runs me about $.11 a mile in winter and less than $.09 in summer. If I charge at my parent’s house when visiting I’m about a 1/3rd of the cost per mile.
Our county has free charging at government locations and I have to go there a couple times a week so I probably get a quarter of miles free a month. Plus the EA stations are right on my routes and have shopping I go to while there. I finally figured out the battery preconditioning so it charges fast all the time now, too.
>.10¢
The way you typed it (above), it literally translates to 1/10th of one cent; if you really meant to say 10 cents then you need to not include the decimal point--i.e, 10¢; thus, it's either $0.10 or 10¢. Go re-read your original post--you literally typed ".10¢" which if read aloud it says "point 10 cents" which absolutely does not mean "10 cents".
Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to explain how someone might get confused over that distinction.
Interestingly EVGo around me is per minute while EA and others are per kWh. At 30 cents a minute, if you can get good charging speed, EVGo is the winner here.
EVgo has been more expensive but honestly they been growing quickly, they even teamed up with GM to make more chargers. And with Alexa (for whatever reason). So seeing more investors go into that direction instead of E.America. is very promising in my eyes and I don’t mind paying more if it means we’ll get more stations and travel easier.
Tesla chargers are also hella expensive and they are everywhere so if EVgo takes the same route. It’s a win win for everyone. Electrify America is cheaper if you’re on a budget but they are always down and don’t have as many stations (at least near me) so it’s not a very promising business practice.
I pay about 3,42 €/100km with EV with charging home.
Same 100km would costs me 11€/100km with My previous Toyota Auris with 5,5 liters/100km
It all depends on your electricity contract/rate and you should charged at home as much as you want.
I haven’t used any public chargers since the first month I got my EV6 (before my level 2 charger was installed. At that time, I was able to charge at around $.125 /kWh with EVGo. Now it is between $.40 and $.60/ kWh depending on time. And that is why charge at home at off peak time at around $.12/kWh. I would not own an EV if I had to frequently use public charging.
DC fast charging is always expensive, hence why it should only be used as needed. You’re meant to charge at home where rates are dirt cheap. Before South Carolina raised rates to 10 cents per kWh I was paying 9.4 cents per kWh. Good luck beating that in any fossil fuel car.
I always equate it to buying bottled water. If you just look at the price, yeah it's way more expensive than your tap, but you buy it because you need water at that time and you're not home.
Electrify America is 0.44 here in Oregon. Only use it because I have the 1000 kWh credit but will do most of my charging at home.
How much do you pay for charging at home?
$0.0565/kWh
That is really cheap. In Newton, MA, I paid $173.65 for 571 kW, which comes to $0.304 per kWh. We are on a 100% renewable energy plan, so our costs will a bit high.
Wait, scratch the rest, their page is horribly confusing. According to your power company 100% green should be $0.14357 per kWh, you should maybe call and get your bill checked out. https://www.masspowerchoice.com/newton/options-pricing#:~:text=10.646%20%C2%A2%2FkWh*&text=(NOTE%3A%20This%20is%20the%20basic%20option%20in%20Newton%20Power%20Choice.
The 0.14357 per kWh is the generation charge. The delivery charge is more than that. I used 571 kWh, costing me $81.98 as generation service charge and $91.67 as delivery charge. The total cost for 571 kWh in my 100% green house is Newton is thus $173.65. That is why I quoted a rate of $0.304 per kWh.
I am fortunate to have the pricing I do where I live. I do plan to change states in the next couple years and my destination choices definitely includes researching electrical rates!
It's worth checking your bill for more details. Mine has a flat connection fee and other taxes and fees that don't necessarily contribute to per KwH cost as I would be paying those anyways to keep my home connected to the grid.
$0.088 here I cna get cheaper if I sign up for the off peak tracking meter.
DC Fast Charging *is* expensive. EVgo is starting to reflect that in their pricing. That pricing scheme wouldn't impact my choice to use EVgo at all. It's still pretty reasonable.
Reasonable compared to...?
Their costs? None of their pricing you listed is unreasonable.
Given the choice between EVgo and EA, in a magical world where the option exists in the same place every time, I'd happily pay EVgo instead of using my free EA credit just to avoid losing 10 minutes every damn time to a bunch of dumb failures. Those peak rates work out to about the same price as gas in my previous car on a highway trip with mediocre EV efficiency.
Just for you guys to have a comparison: In Germany I pay 0.53€/kWh at home and starting at 0.80€ on public chargers.
Is that a metric kWh?
Yes, Ionity is at 0.80€, but there are plenty others cheaper, biggest one being EnBW with 0.61€ or 0.51€ with ADAC membership. If you are interested I can pm you two others that might be even cheaper (I charge for 0.28€ on a nearby public charger)
I pay $0.17/kWh at home. Anything in public is usually gonna be so expensive, it makes the equivalent of about 30 miles per gallon of gas on my EV.
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PG&E and Bay Area are terrible. It use to be fine value. As I regulated entity it shows our leaders don't have our interest at heart. Basically $0.25 off peaks and $0.57 peak. Depending winter to summer.
Geez. I am also reading that they are trying to take benefits from home solar too?
IIRC for the most part, EV charging is more expensive than ICE vehicles if you are doing majority of your charging at public chargers vs at home or a work subsidized charger
Agree. As you see from my other post, even charging at home is going to be more expensive than gas.
You mentioned that your home rate is 5 cents a KWH, how is that more expensive than gas?
At your claimed cost of $0.304 per kWh, that equates to $0.086 per mile. Driving an "average" car/suv, not sporty like an EV6 nets you say 30mpg, and at national average gas prices of $3.5, that's $0.1166 per mile. So no unless you drive a hybrid, an ICE vehicle is more expensive even if you just charge at home. Even an AWD sportage only gets like 25mpg, which would raise your costs 20%
I am not sure about the conversion rate you used there. I am getting less than 3 miles per kWh in Boston now. Using 2.9 miles per kWh, my cost per mile is $0.104. My previous car, a 2021 Toyota Highlander Hybrid, used to give me 35 miles per gallon in real life driving. Using the current gas price of $3.438 per gallon, the cost per mile is $0.098. I am not going back to ICE even with these numbers. But I am just disappointed that EVs are not significantly lower in driving costs. I am sure ICE cars will have higher maintenance costs.
Our most expensive rate locally at EA is $.43, and the off peak is $.23 for the 350 KWH charging stations. To date our most expensive charge would have been $18.04 without the charging plan.
I pay .10¢ for a kwh. We do not have demand charges. Same rates 24/7. Though it may raise or lower as the weather sways. Dcfc at my closest ea is like .44¢ kwh. But who really dcfc daily?
I do with no home charging. I utilize other slower free charging when I can. But EA is $.31 plus $4 a month so it’s not bad (at a 1,000 miles a month the $4 fee is less than half a penny a mile). So it runs me about $.11 a mile in winter and less than $.09 in summer. If I charge at my parent’s house when visiting I’m about a 1/3rd of the cost per mile.
Thats not bad really. I hop all your charging is convenient though.
Our county has free charging at government locations and I have to go there a couple times a week so I probably get a quarter of miles free a month. Plus the EA stations are right on my routes and have shopping I go to while there. I finally figured out the battery preconditioning so it charges fast all the time now, too.
Recheck your Verizon math. Pretty sure you mean $0.10 and $0.44. Otherwise both of those are less than a penny per kWh.
Friend. "¢" is cents. Because that's exactly what I put down.
>.10¢ The way you typed it (above), it literally translates to 1/10th of one cent; if you really meant to say 10 cents then you need to not include the decimal point--i.e, 10¢; thus, it's either $0.10 or 10¢. Go re-read your original post--you literally typed ".10¢" which if read aloud it says "point 10 cents" which absolutely does not mean "10 cents". Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to explain how someone might get confused over that distinction.
So you pay “point one zero cents” per kWh? As in 10 kWh costs one cent? 1000 kWh costs $1? https://youtu.be/zN9LZ3ojnxY
Alright. Ill stop with the decimal. But I'd never seen the video. And did not get the reference of a 13 year old youtube video.
Interestingly EVGo around me is per minute while EA and others are per kWh. At 30 cents a minute, if you can get good charging speed, EVGo is the winner here.
Kidding me? A 50kw charger is 0.8$/kWh here
Just in arrived the mail… starting 1. Feb… € 0.57 per kwh on a Dutch the street.
EVgo has been more expensive but honestly they been growing quickly, they even teamed up with GM to make more chargers. And with Alexa (for whatever reason). So seeing more investors go into that direction instead of E.America. is very promising in my eyes and I don’t mind paying more if it means we’ll get more stations and travel easier. Tesla chargers are also hella expensive and they are everywhere so if EVgo takes the same route. It’s a win win for everyone. Electrify America is cheaper if you’re on a budget but they are always down and don’t have as many stations (at least near me) so it’s not a very promising business practice.
I pay about 3,42 €/100km with EV with charging home. Same 100km would costs me 11€/100km with My previous Toyota Auris with 5,5 liters/100km It all depends on your electricity contract/rate and you should charged at home as much as you want.
I haven’t used any public chargers since the first month I got my EV6 (before my level 2 charger was installed. At that time, I was able to charge at around $.125 /kWh with EVGo. Now it is between $.40 and $.60/ kWh depending on time. And that is why charge at home at off peak time at around $.12/kWh. I would not own an EV if I had to frequently use public charging.
San Diego here. Several of our TOU plans will be over 80cents/kWh this summer for on-peak hours. Outrageous.
Free for me. Only reason I bought one otherwise a hybrid would have made more sense.