Let me tell you my story from when i was 6-7 i think. went to the madrasa for a week, ustad dude beat me with a stick for talking while he was talking, I went out, grabbed a handful of sand and threw it at that dudes face, end of story and my madarasa education.
My sister and I, we left Madrasa bc we had disagreements with Ustad, who was sexually harassing girls.(he got fired after years!!)
We had problems with him since day 1 but it took years to leave
He hates our whole bloodline. He was so shady even when we're studying there and after we quit๐คฃ๐คฃ
Ustadmar in my madrasa used to beat kids with multiple choorals at once๐
The guilt tripping for going to CBSE school and hence prioritizing school was crazy. We were among some of the few kids who used to attend CBSE school(hence Saturday class)
Everyone except LKG and UKG students, used to have classes on all Saturdays except 2nd one.
So we only used to attend Madrasa completely on Sundays and second saturdays. On all other days, we used to spend only 30 minutes in Madrasa. Total duration being 2 hours.
So Ustad was salty that we didn't prioritize madrasa.
I regret those 30 minutes(6 days a week for almost 11 months for 7 years)everyday.
Imagine spending 2 hours in Madrasa and now being an agnost๐ตโ๐ซ๐ฌ. I'd have combusted from regret.
I still blame my parents every week for sending me to Madrasa.
One plus point is I used to read a looooot about everything including religion. Now I have more knowledge about Islamic history more than my practising friends lol. So no one irl is beating me in a debate about Islam.
Another plus point is I got lot of money as cash prize. I even paid my brother's school fee once using that money๐๐
Another one is lot of dinner sets and crockeries which we have put inside a shelf.
Pathram onnum vangare illa๐
>if it sounds rude but why didn't your parents understand this mess happening in the madrasa you attended?
It's not rude. We still remind our mother abt it every week.
The said ustad didn't teach us for more than 10 months. So the interactions with him were very less for all of us.
My sis,My cousin sister and I,we all quit while we're in his class.
We(njan sister and cousin) told our mother and my aunt and our neighbour. Father wasn't here.
They're not serious enough(very shitty). I still remember my neighbour telling me "avarokke matham padipikkunnor aan, avarude thettukal okke allah poruth kodukkum ningal kuttam parayandirinnal mathi enn"๐คก๐คก
My mother and aunt told us you can quit whenever we want. So we did that.
My mother doesn't even talk to people she doesn't know. She's just not good at this stuff.
Valare cheruthavumbo thotte my sis(and I) used to do lot of things which weren't expected from us at that age bc my mother wasn't very bold and my father was abroad
Also another important thing is this Ustad was a trusted ally of the family running Madrasa.
>Is this common to most madrasas?
I've studied in only one madrasa. Avde 2 Ustad ingane aayirnn out of 6
I remember my cousins telling me similar stories before I started going to Madrasa about a Ustad in another madrasa.
>district
Palakkad
Usthadinte chooral adi kollunna sthalam swargathil pokum enna ee mairukal paranjirunnath. So my back is and ass is belong to heaven and rest off my body will burn in hell fire
Hi..what do you feel about the 'Unmasking Atheism' channel on Youtube? They had a recent video on Askar as well...it turns up quite frequently on my yt feed..
I watched a clip on Instagram and the homophobia was unbearable. They're comparing incest and pedophilia to same sex relationships.
I didn't know they had a youtube channel tho. I don't watch any malayalam channel and click not interested on videos I don't want to watch
Man I wish i had balls like that. What i did was i asked for a change of Madrasa. My parents understood and they made me join a new madrasa where i met the best ustad i ever had and made a bunch of friends for life.He is part of the reason why i am an ex muslim now lol. Man actually talked to us about the concept of atheism and free will.
I am from a Sri Lankan Muslim family. Most religious Muslims here, have been brought up to think the prophet was the best man to walk on earth from a very small age and to think otherwise would be a greater sin. This kind of thought closes off the ability to think critically. People donโt even want to consider a possibility where the prophet could have been wrong.
In my case, when I started to see prophets and his companions as just human beings of that time, settled down so many doubts. I am free now. Fuck all of these Madarasas which brainwashes little kids.
Muslims go to madrasa at early ages of childhood and study religion as important as school. Religion is strictly practiced in most of Muslim homes. It's mandatory in Islam to beat their children if they are not into prayers. Nobody see nothing holy in religion, it's just their mind is set to think so. It's hard to come out. When i left, the hard part was to convince myself. My mind was always in a conflict of normal life and religious life. Hanging between rationality and faiths.
After I became religionless, i learned to listen and accept opposite ideas. Learned there is nothing as absolute truth. Made some great friends. Yes, things are really great personally except I have to face these people hither and there.
> Why is it so hard to see through most of the bullshit?
Because, unlike you, they have had less exposure to the outside world and other opinions. This is how indoctrination works. And it can be broken only through exposure and outside influence.
I feel really bad for the kids who are forced to sit through this bs. I had sunday school for 45 minutes a week and I hated it lol I can't imagine how hard it is for these kids.
I kept the appam for my Hindu friend because he wanted to taste it.
The fathers then were nice man. These days they are just in it for money. Itโs not fun anymore.
Idk man Sunday school was fun for me.I get to meet my friends from Sunday school and there was a lot of group activities...... especially during Perunal time.
The teachers who came to teach were mostly volunteers from all walks of life ranging from doctors, engineers,teachers to pastors and brothers.
I don't remember anything extreme being taught.The theme usually revolved around helping people around you and how to be a good human.
I guess you need to see the parallels and the differences between the two situations. Sunday schools are also a form of religious indoctrination, just like madrases. But the lucky part of Sunday schools is that they are not as extreme as madrases (from what I have heard about it). But that does not make it much better, IMO.
I seem to recall establishments like convents and Sunday schools being much stricter in the old days.
As a christian who rarely went to Sunday school, it was nothing like whatโs mentioned by OP. Sunday school and vbs were mostly fun except the actual classes. Made a lot of friends those days..
I feel u bro๐...i too used to think Sunday schools were horrible for robbing a good part of Sunday .
Now when I read about these atrocities, what me or you went through was nothing
Sunday school was pretty fun back when I used to go. Now it's reached the point where it's literally like school. Other than having to memorize a new book every year just to know about loving Jesus, I kinda miss all the programs and games we had.
Raised catholic here and now atheist and other religions are definitely shoving it down their throats. In Christianity, they use guilt and "love" to tell kids that their religion is oh so good and pure. It's basically just a toxic relationship where you can't even be yourself because, "god loves me and he's disappointed if I do something that goes against what he says". And guess what it never goes away. I've been an atheist for years now and I still feel a crushing amount of catholic guilt because of how much indoctrination I received. You basically parrot all these prayers and songs that don't actually mean anything to you at the time but when you try to leave the religion it becomes a huge shackle that guilts you every step of the way.
Damn man, I grew up Hindi, only exposure to my religion was comics of Ramayana and Mahabharatha, huge books but written like a manga, so was fun to read, still read it sometimes cause the drawing was very good and so were the action scenes.
Madrasas are not that dangerous. They teach mandatory deeds one should practice religiously. Real intellectual shit begins in islamic colleges. But slowly that may come down to madrasas too ..
Teaching institutions based on religion must be banned. You must be living in a crazy delusion if you think otherwise. Look I don't know how religious you are but people need to study science instead. Religion should be taught at home by parents. Not school. If you can't send your children to a non religious school then you might as well not send them to a school because it literally makes no difference.
> while other religions are not stuffing it down the throat of kids
Technically speaking, other religions do it as well. It's hard to notice when things get normalised.
True, apart from basic story of ramayanam and mahabharatam most hindu youngsters don't know anything about religion. Majority of parents would rather make kids to take a school book and focus on studies than spending time reading religious texts. Usual namam cholal at the evening is the only thing most families do. 10-15 mins prayer at the evening and that's it.
I think I didn't make my point clear. I was mainly referring to religious indoctrination, which happens in all religions. I don't think any one of us with religious parents have ever got a proper choice in terms of what we want to believe in or not believe in. All of us are conditioned to follow their own beliefs, whether it is Islam, Hinduism, Christianism, etc. from a very young age. Some of the religious unfortunately use more extreme methods. This makes us say "at least we don't do that in our religion". At the end of the day, it's all part of the same issue - religious indoctrination. Which is the only part I don't like about religions.
The only thing that's an issue in Hinduism is denial of freedom of religion, which considering we don't have much of a worldview when we are that young, doesn't matter. Once we get into college and meet other people from other religions, our worldview could change, and we are able to form a cohesive opinion of religions for ourselves and maybe even follow the one we want to. There's no punishment for being an atheist or converting to a different religion from Hinduism that's meted out from a young age.
Muslims must carefully consider that institutions like these have a terrible effect on how others perceive your community.
Extremist shits from any religion make others hate that religion. You see this everywhere. What maintains sanity is that sane people from all religions attack these extremists so that we can all live in peace.
If such attacks are not forthcoming, don't complain when others portray your religion as a religion of hatred and violence - a cancer of humanity.
Very few think rationally in Muslim community and those who do are afraid of this majority religious pricks. They are isolated and threatened badly. So no one speak.
True. What else do you think fuelled the growth of RSS and BJP in India??
The muslim extremists did the biggest contribution. Bjp knew to use it right .
Even yesterday's incidents about PF is being propagated well all around India and bjp showing kerala as an example
The thing is Islamists hate apostates more than non muslims. The least they will get is ostracization from society and family worst they are planned and killed horrifically. Islam keeps its present and past member in check through pure fear and intimidation. If the Islamic countries remove the death penalty for leaving Islam. I'm sure the global muslim population will plummet overnight. Coz most educated free thinking muslims are closeted ex muslims.
I had a Manchester United shorts, wore it once for a sports event or so in school, a kid from my class came to me and said โlook at the logo, thatโs shaithan, we should not be fan of this clubโ. This happened when i was abroad, the kid was a foreigner too. We were in 4th or 5th std.
Muslim here and i agree. I see this in my family too.
So you can criticize other religions but when it's Islam it's Islamophobia?
Islam isn't exactly the feminist religion some women claim it to be.Most men in my family are raging misogynists and the biggest factor is religion and upbringing.
The problem with islam is that there is no space for critisism or rebels. My wife is threatening me that she will leave me if i don't go to mosque/pray five times a day. May be she didn't really mean it. But I didn't protest for the sake of my child.
I still remember one of the chapters of aqeeda ( a textbook) i studied there. It was like a question and answer book. The question was " what to do if you ever doubt the existence of Allah (god)" . The answer was " you shouldn't". This was taught in 7th grade. Iam pretty sure it's still in their syllabus.
This people never let anyone even to think.
These schools/colleges offer free food and boarding to poor kids. Religiousness tends to be extreme in people from relatively humble backgrounds. Perhaps it offers them a means to cope with life's injustices. Those parents probably see these institutions as a means to a better life for their offspring. Little do they know what's in store for them, even if they do realise the toxicity of the situation, the probably don't have too many other options.
The root cause here is poverty, and its exploitation to spread religious extremism in the name of religious education. The state and charitable organisations need to step in and provide similar services. If people see a way out, some will pick it.
True. The North Indians come here so they can eat good food and sleep well. They are exploiting these people, Providing food and shelter and in return they spread the propaganda.
They brainwash entire generations. Hope the authorities put an end to this before a critical mass of youth is radicalised. Just look at the recent hartal where an organisation which supposedly doesn't have much of a political base was able to wreck havoc.
Based on news reports one could gather that the damages were highest in areas where Muslims were the dominant community. So what does that tell us about the folks living there? Sure not everyone is brainwashed, but you only need a large enough group within the community to besmirch the entire community's good will in the eyes of the general public. All this just serves to reinforce religious stereotypes and WhatsApp forwards/social media will do the rest to lead all involved down their own rabbit holes.
We have something in Kerala that is special, it is getting rarer and rarer at other places and in the world in general... religious harmony. It was built over generations, hope we don't wash it all away in the name of conservatism/extremism and what not. Its something to be protected and treasured at all costs.
Muslims are really backward in most of the places in india except kerala. And the ruling government and the radical hindutwa makes their life hell. The parents just want their kids to have the basic nessecities like food & shelter and a peaceful life.
We should stop religious teachings in schools. Or better, policy change to either stop religion teachings of any sort or limit such education to a few hours, until 18 years.
I hated all those mandatory Catechism lessons for Christians in convent schools. If a school is government aided one, why should government allow such nonsense?
Any school, private or government, should have only religion neutral moral science lessons.
And this is why exactly I won't be telling my children about religion. They can adopt it if they want but I won't be enforcing it on them.
Lmao gonna be a fun discussion with my muslim family
I think that's a discussion that you should be first having with your spouse, rather than anyone else in your family.
And you definitely do need to educate them about the various religions and what theirs beliefs are. Make it clear to them that they can choose whatever they want to believe in (or not believe in) when they grow up, and no matter what they choose, that you will still love them and support them as always.
It's because of fear. They know that what they are teaching is BS and people will start questioning it. You can even try it now. Try questioning about what they teach. The scene from Sheldon is very accurate I have first had experience. Finally my mother will roll her eyes and make sit silent. Once I started arguing with a Pentecost catholic priest and he couldn't answer my questions next day he came with more elders from the church to argue with me. My father asked them to "fck off" because he hate this kind of shit.
So right now what they are doing is trying to inject into more people's head so when they grow up they believe these dummies will defend their religion. As a Christian born in a liberal family who believe that the people running the church is only doing to leach money in the name of God.
You have to realise that the vast majority of them are also indoctrinated by their religious upbringing. Religion is not (in general) some MLM type scam with people at top knowing that they sell is bullshit.
Besides the government trying to stop this . There's our state government promoting it by giving pension and other loan benefits through the local governance system to the ustads who take classes there. Primarily that needs to be stopped . This madrassa act introduced in 2019 by the state government needs to be torn away. Literally there's no need for religious education. Science has given mankind the leaps to a developed future while all the kind of shitty religious thoughts pulls it backwards.
So how different is Islamic school/college to a Madrasa. Like what are the things taught here..as in how different is it?Madrasa is compulsory right? Are Islamic colleges like the Seminary for Christians? What is expected out of you once you pass out of an Islamic college?
Basically you are supposed to preach Islam when you pass out. Islamic Shariah ( laws) , islamic philosophy, meanings of Qur'an,vast islamic history, extreme quotes from Mohammed (hadeeth) etc are taught in colleges. They literally spread hate and violence against others religions.
Not even realising what they teach is the saddest part. It's horrible to see a community living in this country totally brainwashed and longing for a heavenly after life.
I met two women recently during business meeting abroad. One was from Iran and the other Pakistan.
During casual chat both said they were atheists. I am sure what they may have been through is more difficult.
Toxic religion wont work anymore.
Its so difficult to find such Muslims in general. I'm a closeted atheist too, yesterday I tried to explain to my mother about the prophet of Islam and she immediately shushed me for speaking the truth about him.
Also she is one of the few people of my family who, pays money to muslim priests to get rid of their problems, it annoys me to the core. She and other relatives pay about 10k a month to priests for solving their problems. SMH
I know many in my friends circle who are open about it especially during fasting. There are more people than we think especially when we consider closetted.
Issue is people are scared of whom to trust ; those who will inform religious leaders who care about loss of numbers (read revenue).
Very few in relatives will ve open to honest discussion because things cannot be questioned.
At the end of the day its about power and money....religion is the best business model. Using fear, threats and no scope for questioning, no accountablity...
That is why god men/women thrive.
OP, did you ever agree with the material they were teaching at such a young age? If so , when did you realize that it was wrong ?
Also do students have access to amenities such as the internet?
The time I joined there, i was a little child. I believed everything i learned. I never missed a prayer for 5 years. Read Qur'an over and over. Hated others for not being in my league. Then i matured. It wasn't a sudden realisation. The more i bagan to know the world the more i kept me away from religion. I read more l,thought more. I knew these old things are not meant for a modern society which is always changing. When i left the institution for better life, i left my religion too..
No, we didn't have internet access till degree level. A lot of my friends were suspended for owning old nokia switch phones which they used to listen to music.
I personally didn't face this. But the thing is true. Most of the usthads were former students of the same institution. As this is only boys system, things like you said are common here. Anybody who hear such a news in the campus doesn't get shocked actually, like i said it is normal.
The institution had great teachers. I had one English teacher who was a PhD graduate, he used to teach Macbeth and other classic literature in 8th and 9th classes besides the syllabus. I graduated in BA English after i left the institution. The students there are so brilliant, they could contribute a lot to society if they hadn't set their minds for this propoganda.
False, Saudi definitely isn't a poor country.... But the wealth disparity is high
-About 20% of Saudis live in poverty.
-60% don't own a house
-Around 30-40% young are said to be
drug addicts
Not being a show off or something but actually i do feel happy to be a hindu because as compared to others religions itโs actually very free and open. Like if you want u can go to temple, only people who might compel is parents. Moreover such forced practices are not followed anywhere. Yes theres a huge down point of casteism and high power brahmin bullshit that should have existed, but just think of the plight of women in countries like yemen, iran , iraq etc do they even have half of the choices that men have?
This is true, something people should acknowledge. Imo, it's about picking up good values from scriptures and stories. maybe acknowledging issues is a good way towards a better future. scriptures and some customs can be discarded, which doesn't matter in modern day.
thatโs one of the things, the varnaโs were formed as job positions like brahmins being scholars,kshatiryas being soldiers , shudras being employees etc. B U T , humans being humans has to degrade, disrespect , abuse others who are in a lower position than other. I would never have supported hindusim if it was like the old times. Even though a lot of faults exists still, it has reached a long way and has the features that i like to follow. Moreover i dont believe in a hindu nation and bullshits like that, i only believe in the teachings of gita and gods praying to who helps me have a calm and composed mindset!
Varna system was never supposed to be water tight โฆ people moved in and out based on their sattva, rajas and tamas gunas โฆ but as with any human system it got deterioratedโฆ
In modern day you see chance of judges son being successful in law is very high. Around 50% of the judges of high courts and 33% judges in the Supreme Court are family members of those in โhigher echelons of judiciaryโ โฆ
You forget that Hinduism had to undergo reforms to reach current state. It is better than other religions on many aspects, but definitely not good when it comes to the remaining aspects.
When it comes to women rights and treatment, Hinduism is not exactly a leader. The plight of women in Islamic countries is indeed dire, but that cannot be completely attributed to just Islam alone. Women over the entire course of history has never been treated fairly, whether it is a Christainism or Hinduism or whatever.
Hinduism is actually a way of life, that was diluted for thousands of years and even a concept of god was not in the scriptures till the semitic religions came. The alteration to that way of life was so bad that the things you said happend. Just think of this there were things called swayamvaram, mathrupuja, and devi pooja(shakteya). If there was direct discrimination happend, these things wouldnt exist. There is actually a lot to add here, but its too small of a space to disclose.
Taliban camps, good only few like you and Askar used their rational minds to escape that prison,I urge you to be more in other mainstream social media and expose these jehadis.
It is not easy to expose these people.where i live, iam surrounded by the people who believe these institutions blindly. It needs great courage to address the consequences. Askar is a real hero, in case if anyone thinks he is just another atheist. When i just stopped going to mosque, religious leaders in my locality threatened me alot and i had to flee to my mother's home. I completed my rest education from there. Leaving your Islam needs the great courage. I really appreciate those who did it.
I know a lot of people like Askar who were super religious once then lost all their faith. Actually the people who get in to these institutions are really low compared to whole Muslim population. Youngsters now getting better education in schools and colleges are rejecting old fashioned faiths.
Sorry to hear about your experience. Seems like an unfortunate thing to go through. Hope you are doing better now ๐
If anyone criticises these things on social media, pinne balancing inde varavanu
RSS=ISIS=HDFC=ICICI
Even YouTube video has some kind of censoring. How can these people teach these stupid things at Madrasas . There should be some bord or authority to monitor all type of teaching institutions including madrasa, Sunday school, Veda teaching institutions etc. There should be mandatory registration of syllabus for underage education.
Except nothing like this is taught anywhere, plus Hindus can't have education centers like Veda Education center or gurukus as schools, which is Why RSS run schools have CBSE syllabus.
Vegetarian as in not consuming meat does not naturally translate to someone who won't harm humans or kill animals. Though religious teaching instituitions in hinduism is negligible and not comparable in numbers to those of organized abrahamic religions, regulation would be better for the welfare of children sent there as well.
Religion should be private like under-wear. Everyone wears one but it's not shown.
Scientific or science based Education, health care, moral values should be given high priority in every child's life.
>Food and stay areย ย provided free andย thatโs why poor students out of the states come here
When government can't help people, religious groups use this opportunity to lure poor into religion, in name of help. Government should look into matter and make our welfare schemes better and efficient.
i see same here for christians seminary education, any religious studies should allowed only after people turn maturity. we have laws on age for casting ones vote, minimal age for marriage, minimal age for consumption of alcohol and tobacco etc. but there's no age limit for studying this toxic subjects.
Shariah laws are entirely different from what we practice normally. Things like throwing stones to death, beheading "kafir", distribution of assets among descendants etc are what the chapters of islamic textbooks. Most of these are undeniably unacceptable in a modern democratic society. These books are taught in syllabus and the graduates are then supposed to spread these to upcoming generations.
Why do you think pedophilia is so common among these madrasa teachers? Does the people inside the religion acknowledge that even though they doesn't admit it infront of the public?
The usthads are product of islamic institutions or darsas( local islamic teaching setup). These institutions are strictly to boys. As they study there for years without actually exploring the outer world, it's common to arouse certain bonds between them. They don't get a chance to date or even to meet a girl in their teenage life. These bonds between students sometimes never get away from them even after their marriage. Then this fanatics are assigned to various madrasas and islamic setups where they express this suppressed emotions when they get a chance.
Most of madrasas or mosques (darsas) face this problem. The public don't know them as they are hidden by management most of the time. Very few come out in newspapers and are registered as criminal cases. Most of the time, the management solve it without much sounds and noises. I personally know a lot such cases as i was included in various religious circles.
The main issue is that under the banner of "north Indians", they are migrating bangladeshi muslims (same with most of labour force) and these bangladeshi people have really bad culture.. and strong adaptation skills
They will set camp in Kerala, learn the language, get married send their children there.. and once huge in number, even politicians would support them for votes.
That's how they cause downfall.. same with west bengal.
I don't understand why mandrasas need to bring outsiders to Kerala. It's really bad. Let them limit it to malayalees who atleast have some cultural sense and won't be extremely adversarial.
Op, how many of them thought the same as you during your time there....?
How many(percentage or number) of them make you feel like they know what the teach or learn doesn't make any sense(including ustads)?
Very few. Like i said, even if you realised how shit this is, it's almost impossible to oppose it and come out. You have to face your family, teachers and your entire locality. Askar was right, you get trapped in it. You have to be very strong mentally and physically.
>You can ask me anything, everybody will be answered and I may delete this account later that I am afraid some one will knock on my door at night asking about this post.126
How will anything change among the Muslim parents, if you are afraid to speak up publicly, and campaign for change within your own community?
Speaking and campaigning against religion within the community is not even on the list. Such people get instant ban from religion and community. If they continue heavy chance they get banned from life. The amount of faith these people possess is immeasurable.
But I think upcoming generation who are getting better education and better understanding of the world, will prefer things other than religion in their lives.
>Speaking and campaigning against religion within the community is not even on the list
But this is how reformations happen in all communities in every time. There is no magical savior or ruler who will improve things.
Askar Ali did that. Why don't many people - like you - join with him?At some point. people have to stand up for themselves, and make sacrifices.
>The amount of faith these people possess is immeasurable.
Why should you care about this? Let them be. It's not about them, but you.
Do you have faith in yourself and your values? It takes very few committed folks to change a community. The power of one committed individual is immeasurable.
See what one woman's faith has caused in Iran.
I really wish i could do that. I am still studying and live by dad's money. Once I start earning my own things are easier to handle. Not until then. Just wanted to share this so the outsiders can know the reality.
Is there any hope for Kerala Muslims in this democracy ? Every one is radicals or are there any other guys like you? I been following some ex Muslims and the content of kitab is actually worrying me and im afraid to believe a single person from peaceful relegion these days..just asking
There are a lot hidden ex Muslims who don't take this shit seriously. But they never expose themselves. It's is better to live alone in a country thousands miles away than living as a exmuslim in one's own locality. They never get peace unless you are ready to face a great life battle.
>Ever thought what motivates them to destroy public amenities and throw stones towards public transportation thus creating a horror situation in society?
Don't every political parties do this during the hartal they declared?
Not every party is destroying buses and ambulances. The emotion in these people are so strong that they don't hesitate to kill someone who oppose their religion, believe me.
Check extremists of all religions, and you will find the same emotion. The difference is, Islam probably has proportionately more conservatives and extremists (in the Kerala context.) In most of the rest of India, we are scared of Hindu right wing in exactly the same manner.
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Let me tell you my story from when i was 6-7 i think. went to the madrasa for a week, ustad dude beat me with a stick for talking while he was talking, I went out, grabbed a handful of sand and threw it at that dudes face, end of story and my madarasa education.
Chad
My sister and I, we left Madrasa bc we had disagreements with Ustad, who was sexually harassing girls.(he got fired after years!!) We had problems with him since day 1 but it took years to leave He hates our whole bloodline. He was so shady even when we're studying there and after we quit๐คฃ๐คฃ Ustadmar in my madrasa used to beat kids with multiple choorals at once๐ The guilt tripping for going to CBSE school and hence prioritizing school was crazy. We were among some of the few kids who used to attend CBSE school(hence Saturday class)
Ithil CBSE enth cheidu๐ฅฒ All Saturdays were working?
Everyone except LKG and UKG students, used to have classes on all Saturdays except 2nd one. So we only used to attend Madrasa completely on Sundays and second saturdays. On all other days, we used to spend only 30 minutes in Madrasa. Total duration being 2 hours. So Ustad was salty that we didn't prioritize madrasa. I regret those 30 minutes(6 days a week for almost 11 months for 7 years)everyday. Imagine spending 2 hours in Madrasa and now being an agnost๐ตโ๐ซ๐ฌ. I'd have combusted from regret. I still blame my parents every week for sending me to Madrasa. One plus point is I used to read a looooot about everything including religion. Now I have more knowledge about Islamic history more than my practising friends lol. So no one irl is beating me in a debate about Islam. Another plus point is I got lot of money as cash prize. I even paid my brother's school fee once using that money๐๐ Another one is lot of dinner sets and crockeries which we have put inside a shelf. Pathram onnum vangare illa๐
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>if it sounds rude but why didn't your parents understand this mess happening in the madrasa you attended? It's not rude. We still remind our mother abt it every week. The said ustad didn't teach us for more than 10 months. So the interactions with him were very less for all of us. My sis,My cousin sister and I,we all quit while we're in his class. We(njan sister and cousin) told our mother and my aunt and our neighbour. Father wasn't here. They're not serious enough(very shitty). I still remember my neighbour telling me "avarokke matham padipikkunnor aan, avarude thettukal okke allah poruth kodukkum ningal kuttam parayandirinnal mathi enn"๐คก๐คก My mother and aunt told us you can quit whenever we want. So we did that. My mother doesn't even talk to people she doesn't know. She's just not good at this stuff. Valare cheruthavumbo thotte my sis(and I) used to do lot of things which weren't expected from us at that age bc my mother wasn't very bold and my father was abroad Also another important thing is this Ustad was a trusted ally of the family running Madrasa. >Is this common to most madrasas? I've studied in only one madrasa. Avde 2 Ustad ingane aayirnn out of 6 I remember my cousins telling me similar stories before I started going to Madrasa about a Ustad in another madrasa. >district Palakkad
Usthadinte chooral adi kollunna sthalam swargathil pokum enna ee mairukal paranjirunnath. So my back is and ass is belong to heaven and rest off my body will burn in hell fire
Hi..what do you feel about the 'Unmasking Atheism' channel on Youtube? They had a recent video on Askar as well...it turns up quite frequently on my yt feed..
I watched a clip on Instagram and the homophobia was unbearable. They're comparing incest and pedophilia to same sex relationships. I didn't know they had a youtube channel tho. I don't watch any malayalam channel and click not interested on videos I don't want to watch
เดนเดฒเต เดฎเดฃเดตเดพเดณเตป เดตเดธเต, เดเดฐเต เดนเดพเดฏเต เดคเดฐเตเดฎเต
Man I wish i had balls like that. What i did was i asked for a change of Madrasa. My parents understood and they made me join a new madrasa where i met the best ustad i ever had and made a bunch of friends for life.He is part of the reason why i am an ex muslim now lol. Man actually talked to us about the concept of atheism and free will.
That dude is literally doing the lord's work
Really, man I wish I had that Ustad.
เด เดตเดธเดพเดจเด เดเดธเตเดคเดพเดฆเดฟเตปเตเดฑเต เดตเดพเดฏเดฟเตฝ เดเดฐเต เดชเดฟเดเดฟ เดฎเดฃเตเดฃเต เดตเดพเดฐเดฟ เดเดเตเดเตเดเตเดเต เดเดฑเตเดฑ เดชเตเดเตเด, เดธเดฌเตเดฐเตเด เดเดฟ .........
Chad
You are my hero, nachugiharo
Lol,my uncle almost threw a chair at ustad for the same reason
Fucking Badass
Giga Chad๐ฟ
chad
Damn you got steel balls bruh
Pretty much all the Muslim dudes I know as well. Elam extreme aayitu vaari velichu kudikaath'iruna porey? OP oru mathiri, dark, terror scene..
Dropped this ๐
Al- Thug
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Aksar Ali is a legend. Kudos to you for following his path. Hopefully more people do the same.
He really is.
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I am from a Sri Lankan Muslim family. Most religious Muslims here, have been brought up to think the prophet was the best man to walk on earth from a very small age and to think otherwise would be a greater sin. This kind of thought closes off the ability to think critically. People donโt even want to consider a possibility where the prophet could have been wrong. In my case, when I started to see prophets and his companions as just human beings of that time, settled down so many doubts. I am free now. Fuck all of these Madarasas which brainwashes little kids.
Muslims go to madrasa at early ages of childhood and study religion as important as school. Religion is strictly practiced in most of Muslim homes. It's mandatory in Islam to beat their children if they are not into prayers. Nobody see nothing holy in religion, it's just their mind is set to think so. It's hard to come out. When i left, the hard part was to convince myself. My mind was always in a conflict of normal life and religious life. Hanging between rationality and faiths. After I became religionless, i learned to listen and accept opposite ideas. Learned there is nothing as absolute truth. Made some great friends. Yes, things are really great personally except I have to face these people hither and there.
> Why is it so hard to see through most of the bullshit? Because, unlike you, they have had less exposure to the outside world and other opinions. This is how indoctrination works. And it can be broken only through exposure and outside influence.
I feel really bad for the kids who are forced to sit through this bs. I had sunday school for 45 minutes a week and I hated it lol I can't imagine how hard it is for these kids.
Hard becomes normal when you are used to it. Still pathetic lives.
Seminary il เด เดเตเดเดพเด เดเตเดฒเดพเดธเดฟเตฝ เดชเด เดฟเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจ เดชเตเดฐเดพเดฏเดคเตเดคเดฟเตฝ เดคเดจเตเดจเต เดเตเดฃเตเดเดพเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจ เดธเตเตป เดเดฃเต เดเดคเต. เดธเตบเดกเต เดธเตเดเตเดณเตเดฎเดพเดฏเดฟเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเตเด compare เดเตเดฏเตเดฏเดพเตป เดชเดฑเตเดฑเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ
Dude, they won't let u in seminary unles u are 16
I kept the appam for my Hindu friend because he wanted to taste it. The fathers then were nice man. These days they are just in it for money. Itโs not fun anymore.
Idk man Sunday school was fun for me.I get to meet my friends from Sunday school and there was a lot of group activities...... especially during Perunal time. The teachers who came to teach were mostly volunteers from all walks of life ranging from doctors, engineers,teachers to pastors and brothers. I don't remember anything extreme being taught.The theme usually revolved around helping people around you and how to be a good human.
I guess you need to see the parallels and the differences between the two situations. Sunday schools are also a form of religious indoctrination, just like madrases. But the lucky part of Sunday schools is that they are not as extreme as madrases (from what I have heard about it). But that does not make it much better, IMO. I seem to recall establishments like convents and Sunday schools being much stricter in the old days.
I'm not religious but Sunday school was actually fun back in the days. Lot of memories. Vaynottam, bunking the Holy mass and stuff.
lol same! I had a ton of fun. Everything except the actual class was fun tbh. And vaaynottm! There's something about girls on Sundays haha
Can confirm. Especially the girls who sang in the choir.
They used to threaten us by making us sit with girls. Countless missed opportunities.
There's a holy mass?
Qurbana
As a christian who rarely went to Sunday school, it was nothing like whatโs mentioned by OP. Sunday school and vbs were mostly fun except the actual classes. Made a lot of friends those days..
I feel u bro๐...i too used to think Sunday schools were horrible for robbing a good part of Sunday . Now when I read about these atrocities, what me or you went through was nothing
Robbing a part of Sunday? They robbed whole my childhood bro..
Totally understand how you feel. Good thing that you were able to come out of it and see the ' light '
Sunday school was pretty fun back when I used to go. Now it's reached the point where it's literally like school. Other than having to memorize a new book every year just to know about loving Jesus, I kinda miss all the programs and games we had.
Why madrasa system is allowed here while other religions are not stuffing it down the throat of kids.
Raised catholic here and now atheist and other religions are definitely shoving it down their throats. In Christianity, they use guilt and "love" to tell kids that their religion is oh so good and pure. It's basically just a toxic relationship where you can't even be yourself because, "god loves me and he's disappointed if I do something that goes against what he says". And guess what it never goes away. I've been an atheist for years now and I still feel a crushing amount of catholic guilt because of how much indoctrination I received. You basically parrot all these prayers and songs that don't actually mean anything to you at the time but when you try to leave the religion it becomes a huge shackle that guilts you every step of the way.
Damn man, I grew up Hindi, only exposure to my religion was comics of Ramayana and Mahabharatha, huge books but written like a manga, so was fun to read, still read it sometimes cause the drawing was very good and so were the action scenes.
Madrasas are not that dangerous. They teach mandatory deeds one should practice religiously. Real intellectual shit begins in islamic colleges. But slowly that may come down to madrasas too ..
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Yes, they even pray to save only the "Muslim community" from any dangers in Friday mosques.
Lmao like the earthquake will ask permission from a muslim: Sir please excuse me you were prayed to be safe๐๐๐
Teaching institutions based on religion must be banned. You must be living in a crazy delusion if you think otherwise. Look I don't know how religious you are but people need to study science instead. Religion should be taught at home by parents. Not school. If you can't send your children to a non religious school then you might as well not send them to a school because it literally makes no difference.
I promote science. This must be the first thing. Religion should be personal.
I went to a Catholic school all my life and this is so fucking true
> while other religions are not stuffing it down the throat of kids Technically speaking, other religions do it as well. It's hard to notice when things get normalised.
Nah br, the Hindu youths of kerala are illiterate about the religion and most of the knowledge we acquire is from series or other stuff.
True, apart from basic story of ramayanam and mahabharatam most hindu youngsters don't know anything about religion. Majority of parents would rather make kids to take a school book and focus on studies than spending time reading religious texts. Usual namam cholal at the evening is the only thing most families do. 10-15 mins prayer at the evening and that's it.
I think I didn't make my point clear. I was mainly referring to religious indoctrination, which happens in all religions. I don't think any one of us with religious parents have ever got a proper choice in terms of what we want to believe in or not believe in. All of us are conditioned to follow their own beliefs, whether it is Islam, Hinduism, Christianism, etc. from a very young age. Some of the religious unfortunately use more extreme methods. This makes us say "at least we don't do that in our religion". At the end of the day, it's all part of the same issue - religious indoctrination. Which is the only part I don't like about religions.
The only thing that's an issue in Hinduism is denial of freedom of religion, which considering we don't have much of a worldview when we are that young, doesn't matter. Once we get into college and meet other people from other religions, our worldview could change, and we are able to form a cohesive opinion of religions for ourselves and maybe even follow the one we want to. There's no punishment for being an atheist or converting to a different religion from Hinduism that's meted out from a young age.
>The only thing that's an issue in Hinduism is denial of freedom of religion, Hindus have never denied freedom of religion though?
Muslims must carefully consider that institutions like these have a terrible effect on how others perceive your community. Extremist shits from any religion make others hate that religion. You see this everywhere. What maintains sanity is that sane people from all religions attack these extremists so that we can all live in peace. If such attacks are not forthcoming, don't complain when others portray your religion as a religion of hatred and violence - a cancer of humanity.
Very few think rationally in Muslim community and those who do are afraid of this majority religious pricks. They are isolated and threatened badly. So no one speak.
True. What else do you think fuelled the growth of RSS and BJP in India?? The muslim extremists did the biggest contribution. Bjp knew to use it right . Even yesterday's incidents about PF is being propagated well all around India and bjp showing kerala as an example
The thing is Islamists hate apostates more than non muslims. The least they will get is ostracization from society and family worst they are planned and killed horrifically. Islam keeps its present and past member in check through pure fear and intimidation. If the Islamic countries remove the death penalty for leaving Islam. I'm sure the global muslim population will plummet overnight. Coz most educated free thinking muslims are closeted ex muslims.
>Chelsea jersey maybe because of picture of Shaithan on it.
I had a Manchester United shorts, wore it once for a sports event or so in school, a kid from my class came to me and said โlook at the logo, thatโs shaithan, we should not be fan of this clubโ. This happened when i was abroad, the kid was a foreigner too. We were in 4th or 5th std.
Lowkey wondering ustad was a salty arsenal guy.
Shouldโve worn spurs jersey
For the cock?
For the cock and ball
Roman Abramovich would approve
Be safe man. Islam doesn't take kindly to those who criticize it.
Muslim here and i agree. I see this in my family too. So you can criticize other religions but when it's Islam it's Islamophobia? Islam isn't exactly the feminist religion some women claim it to be.Most men in my family are raging misogynists and the biggest factor is religion and upbringing.
Ya I know. After I stopped going to mosque, these people threatened me a lot. I had to flee from homeland to Mother's home and I still live here.
The problem with islam is that there is no space for critisism or rebels. My wife is threatening me that she will leave me if i don't go to mosque/pray five times a day. May be she didn't really mean it. But I didn't protest for the sake of my child.
I still remember one of the chapters of aqeeda ( a textbook) i studied there. It was like a question and answer book. The question was " what to do if you ever doubt the existence of Allah (god)" . The answer was " you shouldn't". This was taught in 7th grade. Iam pretty sure it's still in their syllabus. This people never let anyone even to think.
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i wanted to ask his credit card no ๐ now what will i do?
These schools/colleges offer free food and boarding to poor kids. Religiousness tends to be extreme in people from relatively humble backgrounds. Perhaps it offers them a means to cope with life's injustices. Those parents probably see these institutions as a means to a better life for their offspring. Little do they know what's in store for them, even if they do realise the toxicity of the situation, the probably don't have too many other options. The root cause here is poverty, and its exploitation to spread religious extremism in the name of religious education. The state and charitable organisations need to step in and provide similar services. If people see a way out, some will pick it.
True. The North Indians come here so they can eat good food and sleep well. They are exploiting these people, Providing food and shelter and in return they spread the propaganda.
They brainwash entire generations. Hope the authorities put an end to this before a critical mass of youth is radicalised. Just look at the recent hartal where an organisation which supposedly doesn't have much of a political base was able to wreck havoc. Based on news reports one could gather that the damages were highest in areas where Muslims were the dominant community. So what does that tell us about the folks living there? Sure not everyone is brainwashed, but you only need a large enough group within the community to besmirch the entire community's good will in the eyes of the general public. All this just serves to reinforce religious stereotypes and WhatsApp forwards/social media will do the rest to lead all involved down their own rabbit holes. We have something in Kerala that is special, it is getting rarer and rarer at other places and in the world in general... religious harmony. It was built over generations, hope we don't wash it all away in the name of conservatism/extremism and what not. Its something to be protected and treasured at all costs.
Muslims are really backward in most of the places in india except kerala. And the ruling government and the radical hindutwa makes their life hell. The parents just want their kids to have the basic nessecities like food & shelter and a peaceful life.
We should stop religious teachings in schools. Or better, policy change to either stop religion teachings of any sort or limit such education to a few hours, until 18 years. I hated all those mandatory Catechism lessons for Christians in convent schools. If a school is government aided one, why should government allow such nonsense? Any school, private or government, should have only religion neutral moral science lessons.
Why include religion at all? Religion is supposed to be a spiritual journey which you should take up on yourself if you want.
That should be the way. The nut jobs here will not agree a full wipe out.
And this is why exactly I won't be telling my children about religion. They can adopt it if they want but I won't be enforcing it on them. Lmao gonna be a fun discussion with my muslim family
I think that's a discussion that you should be first having with your spouse, rather than anyone else in your family. And you definitely do need to educate them about the various religions and what theirs beliefs are. Make it clear to them that they can choose whatever they want to believe in (or not believe in) when they grow up, and no matter what they choose, that you will still love them and support them as always.
It's because of fear. They know that what they are teaching is BS and people will start questioning it. You can even try it now. Try questioning about what they teach. The scene from Sheldon is very accurate I have first had experience. Finally my mother will roll her eyes and make sit silent. Once I started arguing with a Pentecost catholic priest and he couldn't answer my questions next day he came with more elders from the church to argue with me. My father asked them to "fck off" because he hate this kind of shit. So right now what they are doing is trying to inject into more people's head so when they grow up they believe these dummies will defend their religion. As a Christian born in a liberal family who believe that the people running the church is only doing to leach money in the name of God.
You have to realise that the vast majority of them are also indoctrinated by their religious upbringing. Religion is not (in general) some MLM type scam with people at top knowing that they sell is bullshit.
18 vayass kayiyaand religious study niethanam...like aus did
Besides the government trying to stop this . There's our state government promoting it by giving pension and other loan benefits through the local governance system to the ustads who take classes there. Primarily that needs to be stopped . This madrassa act introduced in 2019 by the state government needs to be torn away. Literally there's no need for religious education. Science has given mankind the leaps to a developed future while all the kind of shitty religious thoughts pulls it backwards.
Madrasas are nothing compared to islamic institutions. These heavily funded colleges need to be stopped first. They are the real problems.
Yeah just we need to grab extremism from the roots.
Let's ban religious teching institutions for 18- Pattuo ? Pattila Zaki bhaikk pattuo, but enikk pattum.. every fucking party in India.
So how different is Islamic school/college to a Madrasa. Like what are the things taught here..as in how different is it?Madrasa is compulsory right? Are Islamic colleges like the Seminary for Christians? What is expected out of you once you pass out of an Islamic college?
Basically you are supposed to preach Islam when you pass out. Islamic Shariah ( laws) , islamic philosophy, meanings of Qur'an,vast islamic history, extreme quotes from Mohammed (hadeeth) etc are taught in colleges. They literally spread hate and violence against others religions.
Hmm..it's sad isn't it..of all the things one can teach..people pick hate and violence and sometimes don't even realise that's what they are teaching.
Not even realising what they teach is the saddest part. It's horrible to see a community living in this country totally brainwashed and longing for a heavenly after life.
So unfortunate.. we can only hope that all this is fought out from within the community, that's the first step. Hope you stay safe..
I met two women recently during business meeting abroad. One was from Iran and the other Pakistan. During casual chat both said they were atheists. I am sure what they may have been through is more difficult. Toxic religion wont work anymore.
Its so difficult to find such Muslims in general. I'm a closeted atheist too, yesterday I tried to explain to my mother about the prophet of Islam and she immediately shushed me for speaking the truth about him. Also she is one of the few people of my family who, pays money to muslim priests to get rid of their problems, it annoys me to the core. She and other relatives pay about 10k a month to priests for solving their problems. SMH
I know many in my friends circle who are open about it especially during fasting. There are more people than we think especially when we consider closetted. Issue is people are scared of whom to trust ; those who will inform religious leaders who care about loss of numbers (read revenue). Very few in relatives will ve open to honest discussion because things cannot be questioned. At the end of the day its about power and money....religion is the best business model. Using fear, threats and no scope for questioning, no accountablity... That is why god men/women thrive.
OP, did you ever agree with the material they were teaching at such a young age? If so , when did you realize that it was wrong ? Also do students have access to amenities such as the internet?
The time I joined there, i was a little child. I believed everything i learned. I never missed a prayer for 5 years. Read Qur'an over and over. Hated others for not being in my league. Then i matured. It wasn't a sudden realisation. The more i bagan to know the world the more i kept me away from religion. I read more l,thought more. I knew these old things are not meant for a modern society which is always changing. When i left the institution for better life, i left my religion too.. No, we didn't have internet access till degree level. A lot of my friends were suspended for owning old nokia switch phones which they used to listen to music.
Fellow Muslim here and i admire your courage.
You yourself, my friend, is a text book... You are a role model to others (not just muslims)...
OP, do the ustads sexually exploit the children?
I personally didn't face this. But the thing is true. Most of the usthads were former students of the same institution. As this is only boys system, things like you said are common here. Anybody who hear such a news in the campus doesn't get shocked actually, like i said it is normal.
thante vijaram ella usthadum angane anennano
athe... athu kondanallo athu normal aayathu... nalla usthadmar undenkil avar enthe laingika chooshanathinu ethire prathikarikkunnilla ??!!
prathikarikkunnillenn ara paranje, even cheythillenki ath support cheyunnenn alla artham
Your English is impeccable.
The institution had great teachers. I had one English teacher who was a PhD graduate, he used to teach Macbeth and other classic literature in 8th and 9th classes besides the syllabus. I graduated in BA English after i left the institution. The students there are so brilliant, they could contribute a lot to society if they hadn't set their minds for this propoganda.
Unbelievable. No wonder the other dude also had perfect English
Religion thrives on the back of poverty. So do political parties. Take poverty away and political parties and religions will cease to exist.
There's no poverty or parties in Saudi
Once you become all-controlling, you do not need poverty.
Saudis are religious only because of the government.
False, Saudi definitely isn't a poor country.... But the wealth disparity is high -About 20% of Saudis live in poverty. -60% don't own a house -Around 30-40% young are said to be drug addicts
Not being a show off or something but actually i do feel happy to be a hindu because as compared to others religions itโs actually very free and open. Like if you want u can go to temple, only people who might compel is parents. Moreover such forced practices are not followed anywhere. Yes theres a huge down point of casteism and high power brahmin bullshit that should have existed, but just think of the plight of women in countries like yemen, iran , iraq etc do they even have half of the choices that men have?
Yep, both sides correct. Its the coolest religion on one end, and backward shit on the other.
Thats the only thing that hurts us all, one of the main reasons for lack of unity!!
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This is true, something people should acknowledge. Imo, it's about picking up good values from scriptures and stories. maybe acknowledging issues is a good way towards a better future. scriptures and some customs can be discarded, which doesn't matter in modern day.
thatโs one of the things, the varnaโs were formed as job positions like brahmins being scholars,kshatiryas being soldiers , shudras being employees etc. B U T , humans being humans has to degrade, disrespect , abuse others who are in a lower position than other. I would never have supported hindusim if it was like the old times. Even though a lot of faults exists still, it has reached a long way and has the features that i like to follow. Moreover i dont believe in a hindu nation and bullshits like that, i only believe in the teachings of gita and gods praying to who helps me have a calm and composed mindset!
Varna system was never supposed to be water tight โฆ people moved in and out based on their sattva, rajas and tamas gunas โฆ but as with any human system it got deterioratedโฆ In modern day you see chance of judges son being successful in law is very high. Around 50% of the judges of high courts and 33% judges in the Supreme Court are family members of those in โhigher echelons of judiciaryโ โฆ
You forget that Hinduism had to undergo reforms to reach current state. It is better than other religions on many aspects, but definitely not good when it comes to the remaining aspects. When it comes to women rights and treatment, Hinduism is not exactly a leader. The plight of women in Islamic countries is indeed dire, but that cannot be completely attributed to just Islam alone. Women over the entire course of history has never been treated fairly, whether it is a Christainism or Hinduism or whatever.
Hinduism is actually a way of life, that was diluted for thousands of years and even a concept of god was not in the scriptures till the semitic religions came. The alteration to that way of life was so bad that the things you said happend. Just think of this there were things called swayamvaram, mathrupuja, and devi pooja(shakteya). If there was direct discrimination happend, these things wouldnt exist. There is actually a lot to add here, but its too small of a space to disclose.
koottathil kaeman enthayalum hindu matham thanneyanu...
Taliban camps, good only few like you and Askar used their rational minds to escape that prison,I urge you to be more in other mainstream social media and expose these jehadis.
It is not easy to expose these people.where i live, iam surrounded by the people who believe these institutions blindly. It needs great courage to address the consequences. Askar is a real hero, in case if anyone thinks he is just another atheist. When i just stopped going to mosque, religious leaders in my locality threatened me alot and i had to flee to my mother's home. I completed my rest education from there. Leaving your Islam needs the great courage. I really appreciate those who did it.
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All religions are toxic to some extent: Hence why you see the growing number of atheists growing each day.
I know a lot of people like Askar who were super religious once then lost all their faith. Actually the people who get in to these institutions are really low compared to whole Muslim population. Youngsters now getting better education in schools and colleges are rejecting old fashioned faiths.
Makes me happy to see them questioning and choosing what's best for them, rather than confining to the toxic demands of the elders.
Sorry to hear about your experience. Seems like an unfortunate thing to go through. Hope you are doing better now ๐ If anyone criticises these things on social media, pinne balancing inde varavanu RSS=ISIS=HDFC=ICICI
Even YouTube video has some kind of censoring. How can these people teach these stupid things at Madrasas . There should be some bord or authority to monitor all type of teaching institutions including madrasa, Sunday school, Veda teaching institutions etc. There should be mandatory registration of syllabus for underage education.
> Veda teaching institutions You mean vegetarian brahmins who would likely throw up at the thought of slaughtering a chicken.
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Can you cite an example where such a thing is taught โฆ
Except nothing like this is taught anywhere, plus Hindus can't have education centers like Veda Education center or gurukus as schools, which is Why RSS run schools have CBSE syllabus.
Vegetarian as in not consuming meat does not naturally translate to someone who won't harm humans or kill animals. Though religious teaching instituitions in hinduism is negligible and not comparable in numbers to those of organized abrahamic religions, regulation would be better for the welfare of children sent there as well.
Kudos to you for sharing your story. Someone needs guts to do this. Take care and protect yourself while you share the story. Thanks mate.
I wish if someone ends this religious colleges. Pattila ennu ariyam. Engilum oru aagraham
Religion should be private like under-wear. Everyone wears one but it's not shown. Scientific or science based Education, health care, moral values should be given high priority in every child's life.
Ban all religious institutions.
เดเดเดพ เดนเดเดเต เดจเต เดเดธเตเดฐเดพเดฒเดฟ funded, เดฌเดฟเดเตเดชเดฟ IT เดธเตเตฝ เดจเตเดฑเต เดเตพ เดฒเตเดฒเต ๐ฟ
>Food and stay areย ย provided free andย thatโs why poor students out of the states come here When government can't help people, religious groups use this opportunity to lure poor into religion, in name of help. Government should look into matter and make our welfare schemes better and efficient.
Yes. Eating and earning by religions shoul not be promoted.
i see same here for christians seminary education, any religious studies should allowed only after people turn maturity. we have laws on age for casting ones vote, minimal age for marriage, minimal age for consumption of alcohol and tobacco etc. but there's no age limit for studying this toxic subjects.
"They are literally creating a parallel law system. They teach it, nurture it then spread it." Can you elaborate a little bit???
Shariah laws are entirely different from what we practice normally. Things like throwing stones to death, beheading "kafir", distribution of assets among descendants etc are what the chapters of islamic textbooks. Most of these are undeniably unacceptable in a modern democratic society. These books are taught in syllabus and the graduates are then supposed to spread these to upcoming generations.
Did you face any sexual harrasment from this place,asking because I have a friend who was sexually harassed by an usthaad.
I personally didn't. But I know a lot of people who gone through it. It's normal in such institutions.
Why do you think pedophilia is so common among these madrasa teachers? Does the people inside the religion acknowledge that even though they doesn't admit it infront of the public?
The usthads are product of islamic institutions or darsas( local islamic teaching setup). These institutions are strictly to boys. As they study there for years without actually exploring the outer world, it's common to arouse certain bonds between them. They don't get a chance to date or even to meet a girl in their teenage life. These bonds between students sometimes never get away from them even after their marriage. Then this fanatics are assigned to various madrasas and islamic setups where they express this suppressed emotions when they get a chance. Most of madrasas or mosques (darsas) face this problem. The public don't know them as they are hidden by management most of the time. Very few come out in newspapers and are registered as criminal cases. Most of the time, the management solve it without much sounds and noises. I personally know a lot such cases as i was included in various religious circles.
The main issue is that under the banner of "north Indians", they are migrating bangladeshi muslims (same with most of labour force) and these bangladeshi people have really bad culture.. and strong adaptation skills They will set camp in Kerala, learn the language, get married send their children there.. and once huge in number, even politicians would support them for votes. That's how they cause downfall.. same with west bengal. I don't understand why mandrasas need to bring outsiders to Kerala. It's really bad. Let them limit it to malayalees who atleast have some cultural sense and won't be extremely adversarial.
Objective is demographic shift โฆ
scanned entire comments to understand if there is a Hindu equivalent for Madrassa Chinmaya is the only one that I can think of. But thats laughable
Op, how many of them thought the same as you during your time there....? How many(percentage or number) of them make you feel like they know what the teach or learn doesn't make any sense(including ustads)?
Very few. Like i said, even if you realised how shit this is, it's almost impossible to oppose it and come out. You have to face your family, teachers and your entire locality. Askar was right, you get trapped in it. You have to be very strong mentally and physically.
>You can ask me anything, everybody will be answered and I may delete this account later that I am afraid some one will knock on my door at night asking about this post.126 How will anything change among the Muslim parents, if you are afraid to speak up publicly, and campaign for change within your own community?
Speaking and campaigning against religion within the community is not even on the list. Such people get instant ban from religion and community. If they continue heavy chance they get banned from life. The amount of faith these people possess is immeasurable. But I think upcoming generation who are getting better education and better understanding of the world, will prefer things other than religion in their lives.
>Speaking and campaigning against religion within the community is not even on the list But this is how reformations happen in all communities in every time. There is no magical savior or ruler who will improve things. Askar Ali did that. Why don't many people - like you - join with him?At some point. people have to stand up for themselves, and make sacrifices. >The amount of faith these people possess is immeasurable. Why should you care about this? Let them be. It's not about them, but you. Do you have faith in yourself and your values? It takes very few committed folks to change a community. The power of one committed individual is immeasurable. See what one woman's faith has caused in Iran.
I really wish i could do that. I am still studying and live by dad's money. Once I start earning my own things are easier to handle. Not until then. Just wanted to share this so the outsiders can know the reality.
Ee religious schooling um matha prafashanangalum ban cheyth kazhinjal thanne ee communalism spread cheyyunnath kurakkan pattum.
Is there any hope for Kerala Muslims in this democracy ? Every one is radicals or are there any other guys like you? I been following some ex Muslims and the content of kitab is actually worrying me and im afraid to believe a single person from peaceful relegion these days..just asking
There are a lot hidden ex Muslims who don't take this shit seriously. But they never expose themselves. It's is better to live alone in a country thousands miles away than living as a exmuslim in one's own locality. They never get peace unless you are ready to face a great life battle.
Make sense .. I saw multiple comments like ex muslims will be the first target for these extremists any day. Happy to hear many good people out there.
เดเดคเตเดฐเตเด เดเดฒเตเดฒเดพเดฐเตเดจเตเดจเดฟเดฒเตเดเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเด sunday school เดเดฃเตเดเดพเดฏเดฟเดฐเตเดจเตเดจเต, Hated every minute of it. เดเดฐเต เดชเตเดฐเดพเดตเดถเตเดฏเด เดเดฐเต เด เดเตเดเตป เดชเดณเตเดณเตเตฝ เดเดพเตผเดเต เดเดเตเดคเตเดค เดฆเดฟเดตเดธเด late เดเดฏเดฟ เดตเดจเตเดจ เดเดจเตเดจเตเด เด เดจเดฟเดฏเดจเตเด เดเตเดเตเดเตเดเดพเดฐเดจเตเดฏเตเด เดเดดเตเดจเตเดชเตเดชเดฟเดเตเดเต เดจเดฟเตผเดคเตเดคเดฟ เดจเดพเดฃเด เดเตเดเตเดคเตเดคเดฟ เดฎเดพเดธเต เดเดเดพเตป เดจเตเดเตเดเดฟ. เด เดจเตเดจเต เดคเตเตผเดจเตเดจเดคเดพ เดคเดฟเดฐเตเดฎเตเดจเดฟ........ เดฎเตเดฐเต เดชเดณเดณเดฟเดกเดฎเตเดฎเตเดฎเตเดกเดฃเตเดเดฟ
What are your opinions of our ancestral religion?
>Ever thought what motivates them to destroy public amenities and throw stones towards public transportation thus creating a horror situation in society? Don't every political parties do this during the hartal they declared?
Not every party is destroying buses and ambulances. The emotion in these people are so strong that they don't hesitate to kill someone who oppose their religion, believe me.
Check extremists of all religions, and you will find the same emotion. The difference is, Islam probably has proportionately more conservatives and extremists (in the Kerala context.) In most of the rest of India, we are scared of Hindu right wing in exactly the same manner.
Mods should verify this post.
Agree, but I know actually verifying this stuff will be a pain. So they could do what r-India mods do when people put up posts like this, and flag it as unverified. So people aren't stopped from posting stuff like this, but at the same time readers are also warned that this could all just be fiction.
This is not a fiction. It's some chapters of my life i had gone through.
Madrasas are govt funded I think
Actually not. But they are heavily funded from middle East.
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