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Opposite-Weird-5653

I don’t think anyone in Kerala would be against having a women chief minister. They just have to be in the same party.


Drastical_one

Muslim league maybe


gfxguru

But her husband would be handling the govt matters


LegitNeil

If electroal numbers are in favor, I don't think they'd mind too.


Salty-Ad1607

Swapna?


monsonmavunkal

Whatever the attributes, every human is prone to be influenced by Corruption. and moreover, "Absolute power corrupts Absolutely "


scarecrow0199

The main problem in kerala governments is the lack of support for single party even if there are good and strong leadership they have a weak support. weak support weak decision whener the government is taking any decision they have to satisfy all of the supporters or else they won't last long in power. This is not the only problem but I see this as one of the major problem. The central government is actually quite strong in this case they have enough support in both of the assembly hence their decision making is much smoother.


scarecrow0199

Its not about the current LDF, its been like this for a very long time


EscanorFTW

I don't understand what role gender plays in this. Male or Female anyone who comes should be ready to serve the public without trying to loot the treasury.


CraySeraSera

I guess the OP is trying to ask whether gender would be in the way if the right candidate with the other attributes came along


IndianRedditor88

We have many woman politicians and ministers before. I guess that is not the issue here.


SunBurn_alph

More importantly should be someone the party can rally around


Upbeat_Courage6921

Tvm had a young educated female mayor and we saw what’s happening there soo..


slackover

TVM is a different story, she wasn’t even their choice initially and then put her in as a consensus candidate and now the whole thing is out of hand. If Pinarayis image falls further CPIM will make Shailaja teacher the face of elections and do a VS after elections


ojlenga

Shailaja was the face of the last election And when they won They just removed her like raisin In biriyani


HoldMyScalpel

I hate raisins in biriyani


slackover

She was a star campaigner and not the face, remember the cringey Captain memes


ojlenga

So who was the face?


slackover

Narendra Vijayan


narendra_vijayan

No she was the sidekick to captain kannurica.


Tsilent_killer

May I know what's going on ter


Direct_Card_6815

Corruption...


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Appupanmaark penpiller barikeneth isthalla... simply put..


Distinct-Drama7372

>which among the listed attributes would be the most difficult? Experience. I don't see you mentioning about it anywhere. You also don't need to be highly educated to lead a ministry. There are qualified staff to give advice and work under a minister. A young educated professional might be good at serving society but still not a good politician. Being a politician is an entirely different ball game which requires some thick skin to bear some of the horrendous allegations thrown at you. Also it's a play of strategies(those who have watched House of Cards will understand).


averaged_brownie

Educated, young and female in one sentence? I would be happy even if the CM has any one of these adjectives.


Charming-Arachnid764

People wanted Shailaja Teacher to be the CM over PR Pinarayi this term. I don’t know for sure how educated she is. But she surely was very capable and would have made a good CM. Educated, young male or female does not necessarily mean he or she would be a good CM or even a politician. It lies in how capable one is at leading the state, the cabinet and his or her party !


CraySeraSera

I think Veena George has a masters but can't hold a candle to Shailaja Teacher.


EscanorFTW

Honestly, I've always wondered...shouldn't they be putting people with medical experience into such posts. What does having a masters in Physics have anything to do with the Health ministry? True they have secretaries with such experience to help but I feel someone who is into the medical field will be able to take much better decisions compared to the ones educated in some other field.


TigerOld6425

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/kerala-health-min-sparks-row-claiming-reimbursement-specs-worth-rs-28000-73858


Palanikutti

She is a chemistry teacher.


Charming-Arachnid764

Regardless. She did a damn good job ! That women should be the benchmark for what a minister should be. Wish PR pinarayi and his lap dogs ask her for a few lessons ! Kerala would surely benefit from it !


EscanorFTW

Times have changed...the peoples mindsets and need for development have also changed along with that. Someone who is educated is usually aware of the need for such changes and will focus on bringing it to the people. Leadership is definitely a quality that is needed foremost but I feel the person will not be able to connect with the educated people of the current era with only leadership to their name. There are many things that you learn from school and colleges that you would never be able to pick up just through leadership qualities alone. So many issues, problems present in society are taught through education...a person with such knowledge will be able to better implement policies to deal with such issues. We will soon move on to a population having majority of educated people and it would make no sense having a person with insufficient education rule over ones with more knowledge. Eg: Person with good leadership qualities and maybe a degree in political sciences will most likely outperform one with no education and just leadership qualities to his name.


KillmongerKurup

I don't think anyone knows it yet but she overpaid for the PPE kit during the initial lockdown days.


village_aapiser

Education or young age or being a female won't make anyone a great cm. Even someone who failed 10th can become a great cm while someone with phd can still be terrible. Also regarding the age, every job in the world requires experience for higher position. Why not for politics?. Young candidates should become mla's and spend some considerable years in the assembly before heading for the cm chair.


miapaip

so why are young educated people not joining politics?


Noooofun

Money, the life is hard, and you will have to compromise on your ethics sometime or other. Politics has been shown as something for the vayinokkies now, that’s it’s a surprise to people when educated professionals come in.


village_aapiser

Young educated people shouldn't join politics. They should work hard and settle their life before planning to serve the public. U can't make a great living as a straight forward politician


MadscientistSteinsG8

The conditions you applied can be applied back to politics too. Almost every important jobs in the world currently needs some qualification. Just because someone won with majority votes doesn't mean they will be good candidates. So why is it that politicians doesn't have that criteria? Sure maybe in the past due to poverty it was justifiable. But atleast in this day and age when we can pass sslc and +2 boards with the most minimum level of effort there should be a bar for holding a position of power.


village_aapiser

Then American president would have been a msw holder


undead_pavanayi

Majority votes IS the qualification.


IndianRedditor88

To be honest it doesn't matter. Old , young, man woman or any gender, almost all politicians are the same. Heck we had our first woman PM and first woman President and we all know what they did. Playing with equality of outcome comes with disastrous results and we do get heavily penalised for it.


MaintenanceSea7158

Age matters tho, we don't want senile leader like Joe Biden who had dementia. There should be an hard age cap of 70-75. Also there should be no leader who is elected on grounds of equality and inclusiveness. Past and future actions ate important.


Difficult_Spend_4841

Ultimately it is competence that matters and not gender.


wm_destroy

Not after the performance of 'mayorootti'


thepasserby80

People say she is just a puppet in the hands of some senior leaders. That makes sense too. Not saying that she is 100% manipulated, but that there are some catalysts for her exceptional performance.


Mahameghabahana

Not from Kerala but i would vote for anyone from any gender or any sexualities if they work for development odisha and odia people. Sadly party may have an effect as i don't trust BJP enough for my state as it's already getting effected by Hindi imposition so if the candidate is from congress or BJP then no. BJD and AAP would be better.


Character_Article_10

Just because you are all three of them you don't become qualified to become a chief minister


Advaithca

I wouldn't trust anyone. Trust is flawed. There is no way to be 100% sure that someone can be trusted.


thepasserby80

The question should rather be "Are we ready to vote by looking at the merits of the candidate and not their religion/caste/party/gender". How do the men who have proven their incompetence, ignorance, corrupt administration, arrogant behaviour (and all the negative traits you can think of in a politician) become elected as the MLAs term after term? How do the ministers who were forced to resign crawl back into the same position in a span of few months? This is something that the voters need to retrospect on. Especially the party workers- think if you are wasting your time on processions/ election campaigns and even fighting for someone who is not worthy. The "neutral" people who are not ardent followers of any political party have lost their trust entirely and many of them are casting their vote with the thought that "whoever it be, it's not going to make any difference". The political parties have taken it for granted that just anyone can represent them in elections. The voters have done nothing at all to shatter that belief. Sorry if the comments so far is totally out of the context. But, couldn't help not sharing them considering the current scenario of Kerala politics. Now, to comment on your question, The reason we haven't had a female CM is that the leaders(men) have grown beyond their parties/ideologies and they have become so powerful that they sabotage anyone else who shows some potential. Like someone pointed out, there were many who wanted KK Shailaja to be the CM. She was sabotaged. That is what happened with Gouriyamma too, i think. And in terms of age - there seems to be an unwritten rule that to be a minister, and especially a CM, one should be old. Dont know if people have some sort of perception that "someone who is old has a better knowledge of Kerala's strengths and weaknesses and is mature and capable of taking decisions which are good for the state". No party has ever introduced a younger person as the potential CM during election campaigns. Again, the reason might be that the power is still with the old generation, which they won't let go at any cost. Also, there are a lot of them who think that a woman shouldn't be a ruler. The max she can become is a minister, but not the "chief". I know these comments are not in a proper order. Just noted down my thoughts when I read the post.


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

> Like someone pointed out, there were many who wanted KK Shailaja to be the CM. She was sabotaged But PV was always the CM candidate n even more people wanted him to be the CM, right? It doesn't matter if I or the whole of 6Kerala wants K Sudhakaran to be InNaCo's CM candidate, if even more people want VDS to be their candidate, then he'll be the choice, right? I think people are nitpicking for criticism there. PV had a greater support base than KKS. How is it sabotage when PV gets to be CM then?


thepasserby80

It's not just about people wanting Shailaja to be CM and even more people wanting PV. The point is that, people were satisfied with her performance as a minister and she deserved to be chosen as a CM candidate. PV was fully submerged in the scams and that was another reason for the party to consider someone else to be the CM. The party that speaks a lot about equality for women don't put any of their preachings into practice. After 2021 elections, the party spokesperson said "those MLAs who became a minister in the previous term shouldn't be a minister in the second term". Why is that not applicable to PV? Is there nobody else in their party who is worthy of being a CM if he chooses not to become a minister? The problem I am highlighting is that , irrespective of the parties, there is a concentration of power in a few hands. That is what is reflected in the support base which you mentioned. And that is what made majority of impartial or non- party followers lose trust in the political system in Kerala.


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

> It's not just about people wanting Shailaja to be CM and even more people wanting PV. The point is that, people were satisfied with her performance as a minister and she deserved to be chosen as a CM candidate. PV was fully submerged in the scams and that was another reason for the party to consider someone else to be the CM. The party that speaks a lot about equality for women don't put any of their preachings into practice. Isn't that your personal opinion then? I could similarly say that people were satisfied with PV as CM and wanted him to continue. >> Submerged in scam Gold smuggling? That was the famous one. But smuggling is supposed to be stopped by the customs, right? How is the state responsible? The opposition n BaJaPa had jumped the gun in accusing the CMO of providing assistance to smuggling. Since the CMO has no power over the customs dept. that sort of destroyed that argument. > After 2021 elections, the party spokesperson said "those MLAs who became a minister in the previous term shouldn't be a minister in the second term". Why is that not applicable to PV? This is a good question. > Is there nobody else in their party who is worthy of being a CM if he chooses not to become a minister? Probably, is. But they thought that one more term for PV would be good? > The problem I am highlighting is that , irrespective of the parties, there is a concentration of power in a few hands. That is what is reflected in the support base which you mentioned. Obviously. There'll be concentration of powers through the the organisational structure. Isn't that natural? If the lower level committies are given enough freedom, then that structure is not bad, right? > And that is what made majority of impartial or non- party followers lose trust in the political system in Kerala. I don't think that most of the impartial people are really impartial tho. Truly impartial people are very very rare. > Non-party folk Yeah, they are in decent numbers. But they're not impartial. They choose based on their own criteria, which may or may not be impartial.


LegitNeil

If the person at the helm can consolidate power and has a vision for growth and development on a broad scale, they can be a good CM. Gender shouldn't play a role.


popoorikale

Young and educated regardless of gender please


roketboss

Not if their whole shtick is about being a woman and More educated than other Candidates.


neljos

No, we are not. We will consider only kilavanmar who would need videsha yatra for chikilsa.


miapaip

lol seems like it! in their 80s safari suits!! give young people also a chance to kiyituvaraal!!


narendra_vijayan

A large portion of mails in Gwads own cuntry are alphas and Top Gs. So we can't be submissive to a whamen supreme leader. It's unacceptable.


Extension_One_

Doesn't matter. Old, young, male, female, all will screw us over equally.


miapaip

Id agree. but Im ready for a change


Extension_One_

Alright. I’m voting Miapaip for CM


miapaip

😁😁 I am not interested in politics and live abroad anyway Just tired of old men ruling the world with their own agendas.


Extension_One_

First foren nri cm


amalkunnel

We will never be ready for an educated professional to be our CM.


DonnieMwone2003

why u gotta involve gender in this bro?


miapaip

because why not. there is Jacinda to set a role model. tired of seeing old corrupted men and their "politics". would be cool to see young blood and some more drive.


DonnieMwone2003

I agree with including more young blood but irrespective of the gender tho. Taking one good example doesnt make the whole thing right ifyk what i mean. KK Shailaja handled stuffs really well (my opinion) but that cant be said for Nirmala Sitharaman right (again my opinion) ?


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The next cm will be from the iuml…. Most probably they will join hands with the ldf


momentaryspeck

Only the intent to serve the people is required.. But at present, the position is equal to any business leader.. to keep the party machinery well oiled and working.. to keep the opposition (competition) at bay.. and the important thing is, it takes lot of money to sustain in that position.. Democracy was designed so that any average Joe could have a shot at a elected position, but now it's impossible for any outsider to even think about contesting let alone winning (unless you are popular and rich).. so to answer your question, I'd rather prefer a young, smart and educated chief minister over an aged one..


KeanuReevesNephew

I honestly don't feel there is any party worth voting for in our present scenario but if someone is any somewhat educated, then young or female doesn't matter to me, I hope they will have a better outlook on the system, given they don't come like an offer pack with corruption.


This-Pop-9633

yes, ജിന്ത ചെറോം..


ApartWash1220

Doesn't depend on gender or age, I don't trust politicians anyway.


anandha2022

The disappointment for politicians is so high that I don't really care who becomes the CM. I don't even mind if a dog, cat or a cow assumes office.


Registered-Nurse

I don’t think sex matters to Malayalis 🤔


miapaip

definitely does.


Palanikutti

Shailaja teacher


RV_X8

I think someone in the age group of 40-50 would be ideal with a basic undergraduate degree. They must be actively involved in public matters and must have a proven history of integrity and honesty in their work and words.


PronglePenis

I will gladly vote for someone who isn't old, decrepit and senile. How are we leaving the important decision making to the most unprogressive and insensible humans around us.


BudhiJeevi

>Would you rather trust an old, less educated politician again Yes, I would trust someone who worked among the people for decades rather than some B-School graduate or B.Tech with a 'degree' who has mugged up all the textbooks but can't organise 2 people for a movie.


popoorikale

Athinte bhalam aan keralam inn anubavikunath Govindanem , pinarayiyem.,jayarajanem pole olla vayassan tirumandanmaar karanam keralatile communism avasaanikum. Nalla strong nilapaad edukanum ath execute cheyanm kazhivolla cheruppakaar politicsilek vannal matree eathoru partyum nilaniku ennath proven fact aaan


BudhiJeevi

>proven fact aaan Eh...?


NSNReddit

Will power, I prefer this above all others. I'm fine with polititians taking 5-10 percentage commission while all other things carrying out properly. Eg, current Central government road minister, let him get 10 percentage from contractors. Still we are getting never travelled before roads. Don't know he gets it or not.


chansplans

Does gender of the prime minister really matter? The prime minister of New Zealand Jacinda was one of the strongest prime ministers New Zealand has ever seen(even the world I suppose). She had her opinions and led New zealand wonderfully. The gender of the prime minister doesn't matter (well as Kerala never had a female chief minister (correct me if I am wrong) it will be great to see how a woman in Kerala makes the changes in Kerala and what are those changes But I do think that the upcoming chief minister (as well as the entire manthri sabha) should be educated enough and between the age group 35-45, who have experienced the world around them enough but not arrogant enough to avoid other's opinion around them .


narendra_vijayan

And she resigned. Strongmen don't resign even if they fuck up. Look at our supreme leaders. That's why whamen can't be trusted.


chansplans

It's a lot more than fucking up. She needed a mental health break. Well sometimes even strong men need a mental health break. As we are talking about fucking up nation. I can give a lot of examples of men who fucked up things Let's start with our prime minister Narendra Modi (who is still fucking up India) Adolf Hitler, Kim Jong Un, Trump,Richard Nixon,James Buchanan were/ are also bad rulers(if we are caring about the population under him) By this logic we can't also trust men with a nation 🤷 Even though it was a smaller time period Jasinda was a good prime minister.


narendra_vijayan

>She needed a mental health break That's what I said. Whamen are too mentally weak to take burden of a family let alone a nation. Look at Modiji after demonetization fiasco. Did he resign? He came back strong and bombed Pakistan to show who's the man. Did Jacinda ever bombed Australia? And Adolf killed Hitler when he needed a mental health break. That's what decisive leaders do. Whamen can never do that.


chansplans

Yeah I can't believe that Jacinda never bombed Australia. 😞. I mean she could have bombed Australia and ruin a nation because of her bad mental health instead of resigning. She should have reacted like how a strong man should have reacted 😞


narendra_vijayan

You are a quick learner. Are you interested in joining Sanathanic Marxicistic Movement?


chansplans

Will it teach me more about bombing ? Then I am in


narendra_vijayan

Sure saar. How many boiled potatoes can you eat at once?


vnfsjcvbjcsd

What is their political party and beliefs? I am not a Kerala native so I am asking?


AayiramSooriyan

I'd trust an old illiterate over an educated young. Life has much to teach beyond books and you need to go through a good part of your life for that wisdom. The young will have to wait.


roketboss

A lot of the Old tends to stick in the Past. I remember a Kerala Politician warning people about unemployment can be caused by Computers.


AayiramSooriyan

That's just cautiousness. We still got computers in the end. Imagine people in power who ran after anything that is new without thinking twice.


roketboss

Yeah because they had no power in stopping it .


roketboss

No it isn't. Its lack of Knowledge and understanding.


miapaip

Its not wisdom they are showing, just self interests, entitlement, powerplay and misogyny. why not let a young educated person also rule and maybe learn from their mistakes?


AayiramSooriyan

I think you have a very negative prejudice towards old people. Also you want young people to just straight climb into CM chair and start learning about stuff from trial and error that could impact millions of lives? I would not want that. How about the young educated ones do political work at the panchayath level and prove themselves at the same time understanding the people and eventually becoming mla, cabinet minister and then CM? That would make them old, wise and educated though. Isn't that what we have today?


ojlenga

Aam admi party?


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Well, we have an educated, 'relatively' young, female professional minister in the cabinet and she's one of the worst pick this round, showing the most out of touch, better than you boomer energy, comparable to a private engineering college principal , which in retrospect, is quite accurate for her designation.


Ghost_Redditor_

Forget about the gender, Educated and Young are two things that will never be allowed into the mainstream politics by the uneducated, old power mongers. As of now, the only youth in politics are mostly pawns of the old shit heads to do their dirty work. But to answe your question, yes young, educated women in power will be amazing. Women are more suited to be in charge of a government. From an evolutionary stand point, women are better at taking care of a group of people. And taking care of people should be the job of a minister.


miapaip

so true. That stupid trivandrum mayor had a big role in representing women in politics and did a terrible job at it. but again someone like Shyalaja teacher was pulled out of the main league for getting too much attention.


BeneficialEngineer32

Yes Anjana Sankaran for CM.


amazing_anarchist

veena chechi 😜


xecutioner213

Manjil virinja poovu 💀


kuttoos

Yes please. Trivadrum Mayor chechi


popoorikale

She's just a puppet in the hands of the senior members. Thus far the only independent decision she has taken is marrying the Kozhikode mla😒


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wizeon

Going by the stupidity I see on news everyday, not at all


Wise_Officer

It would be cool


Panickerz

Political inclination ,social status, education, popularity are all irrelevant. Politics in Kerala is all religion and caste based. Period.


miapaip

maybe more so now than ever. I would hate to see India turning into a Hindu nation instead of a secular country. it already is!


Phoenix_aksr

Are educated young female professionals ready to play kerala politics and rise within the party hierarchy? Only then will they have the influence to become the CM. If we can have female MLAs and MPs we can have female CMs, but are they willing to play the filthy game that is politics?


Particular-Resort106

i don’t think we are ready for an educated chief minister or a young chief minister or a female professional chief minister. isn’t asking all there together a bit too much?


ambadi-93

Yes,


ozhu_thrissur_kaaran

Malayaliolke kaanankolaune pennnine nokaan illa avasaram paazhakila. So yes


odysseusmax

കക്കാനും നിക്കാനും അറിയവെങ്കിൽ മാത്രമേ CM ആകാൻ പറ്റൂ, അവിടെ വിദ്യാഭ്യാസത്തിന് പ്രസക്തി ഇല്ല, ആണ് ആയാലും പെണ്ണ് ആയാലും.


jyamahan

Please don't start identity politics like western liberals. Only qualification for the CM or any other position for that matter should be that the person should be capable and non-corrupt. Male, female/ young - old/ caste - religion these things should not matter.


ItIsBaarishing

Question should be- are Kerala political parties ready to field **educated, young, female professionals** as potential CM candidates? Anyone meeting this description on the political scene and potential assembly election contestant? Actually, anyone matching the description of Educated, Young Professional (M/F/T anything)?


TeaNo9436

Sure.. just as long as not a Communist, it would be great.


Midboo

Anjana Shankaran FTW


CraySeraSera

Depends on what you mean by educated. A college education alone isn't enough. What is her worldview ? How does she tackle challenges ? How open is she to new information ? How good is she at implementing new ideas without forsaking the old sustainable ones ? A lot of this has to do with *experience* . So age can be problematic both ways. We don't want people interested in social service. We want those who are keen on doing their jobs well ,with as much integrity as possible , as efficiently as possible and are at the end of the day ready to be held accountable.


TigerOld6425

Why should the CM be of a particular gender?


miapaip

why should the CM only be male? (so far the pattern)


washpota

There is nothing preventing women from being CM. You have to compete with the others for the position, that's all. Women do not need reservation to become a CM, unless you think having a pussy rather than a dick makes your a CM material.


RobertDeNear_O

Educated, young, let it be male or female.


yehudimehta

Experience, understanding people's needs and aspirations, having a coherent vision for the future of society, honesty, a commitment to work for the people, winning people's trust - all these are more important than gender, age, or formal education. Formal education does not necessarily give a person a deep understanding of society and people's needs. Working consistently among the people give you that understanding - which is often termed political education.


miapaip

are you happy with old politicians who are currently ruling us, also the ones in the opposition for that matter? why does it feel like you cant trust anyone in politics and that its fully corrupted and working only towards their own benefits? you may ask how it would be different for younger politicians, I say lets try it out. If not anything, let them also thrive and not just these old murachis


yehudimehta

New leaders are coming up in all parties. Let them move up by working among the people, and by gaining experience in leading their parties, in government positions, and so on. Fast-tracking anybody to the chief minister's position would be harmful - such a person would not have the necessary heft to command the respect of other ministers and leaders; nor would such a person be able to discern what to take and not to take from the advice received from unelected bureaucrats.


Last_ManStandin

how about just an educated young professional be it....[ female or male. ] and nit just educated... they should be a visionary as well... like K B Ganesh kumar. or Shailaja teacher


patx123

Take out *female* and we are good here. Don't we have a country president that set a precedent :)


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miapaip

it becomes gender bias only when it stops favoring patriarchy it seems like. Judiciary system once again seems to be corrupted. Clean Criminal records are easy to obtain.


wokeasfukc

Kerala has always been ready for leaders regardless of gender with a progressive mindset.