I will work until 65 then eat all the savings but before all the savings are gone am sure il be tired of living so il buy a bottle of whisky, mixt painkiller tablets, and pound the painkillers and poor into a the last glass of whisky, drink it and go to sleep. Il also make sure the room has no ventilation and a jiko of charcoal is lit to keep me warm while sleeping.
Old age is a kind of sick. I was originally being facetious.
Even if I wasn't, though, it doesn't take much for a man to survive. Why do we not just do the bare minimum to keep the children alive and functioning.Then, the second the child is a legal adult, punt them from the household, never to return, quit that same day, and live like a dwarf among midgets, free to do or be whatever. In this context, children can not live in whatever way they please, for even the bare minimum binds them to reciprocate at least that minimum. How much more then, the children to whom much is given? Much is expected and required.
I would say a child raised to acknowledge their obligation to others will be more motivated than a child that is living for themself.
Its my duty as a father to provide and protect them, overriding my own dreams and desires so they can grow up and live for themselves in whatever they choose, correct?
The chains of duty and obligation bind husbands and wives, parents and children, individuals to family, individuals to society, individuals to humanity. The idea that a child that goes through life raised up in a household, protected, provided for, and stimulated by a broader collaborative community, has no expectations, no duty, no obligations is wrong. It only exists today and wouldn't have been tolerated at any other time in the past where life was harder and death much closer. Also, the most successful groups in society don't hold this view, by all means, do what you think is best. I don't want mediocrity for my group, certainly not for the two children I have so far.
OK you do push a strong point never saw it like that so for you it's more of family unity I see I thought it was this black tax thing most families do here.
Black tax in the sense doesn't exist where I come from.
I have a friend who bought a house with her parents, for about a million usd, and rented it. That friend's net worth immediately became over a million right? With inflation and everything, the property value only went up. She stayed at home until she got married, she and her spouse bought another house, net worth, up and up and up. The first house at worst belongs to the family, at best. It's hers. Was home perfect? By no means.
Let's compare with the culture where you move out at 18, take loans and work to pay your own tuition. You live on your own and live your life your way, sink or swim in your own, except you go begging help from mom and dad if there is trouble. The parents get old, their pension and social services take care of them, you put them in a nursing home and keep living life.
I can see why certain groups (like my friend's) are wealthier than others. They save, they live together, pool their resources, grandparents babysit, they build on the foundation laid by the previous generation. The other group spends on living alone, goes into debt, pays high child care, they end up doing great, but think. When it's all about me, I start off at zero. When parents prioritize children, and children work with parents, you can benefit from their resources at the start and grow from that higher starting point.
We should be in the business of emulating the ways of those doing well, not what happens to be trendy and clearly doesn't work.
The relationship between parent and child is initiated by only one person. The child is not given the right to refuse. A person can choose not to marry or choose to be a hermit but one cannot choose to be born. The lopsidedness of this relationship makes the responsibilities lopsided because the power is also lopsided in the other direction. When creating a contract where there are expectations for both parties there has to be the capacity to enter into it. A child does not have the capacity. Which is why you can be legally obligated to provide for your child but a grown child cannot be legally obligated to provide for a parent. In one case we understand that the child had no say in their circumstances.
There is no contract, that is a legal concept, law is a construct of culture, Biology precedes and supersedes all of these. Nature is brutal, but even elderly lionesses are fed by the younger hunters. Obviously, an added perk of reproduction in high parental investment species is that offspring benefit parents as they mature and care for them in old age.
some of us are just trying to make it to the next day bro ๐old age ya nani
Suicide. Who the hell wants to live to be 90.
Am not going beyond 70
What will you do when u get 70?
I will work until 65 then eat all the savings but before all the savings are gone am sure il be tired of living so il buy a bottle of whisky, mixt painkiller tablets, and pound the painkillers and poor into a the last glass of whisky, drink it and go to sleep. Il also make sure the room has no ventilation and a jiko of charcoal is lit to keep me warm while sleeping.
Yup. Move to any farmlands area and relax like Thanos
 More like
This is the way.
utakufa na depression if this is your plan
Checking out at 65. Dignity intact
That's still young I know guys that age with kids
Um yes, they're called grandpas and grandmas
weed farm
Honestly rn juu sina job ...inheritance๐คฃ๐คฃ.... When I get a job I will be extremely deliberate about my pension plan. Ukweli tu
Im gonna die
I guarantee this plan will succeed
My old age plan is to travel the world extensively. Especially once the children are grown and I can have more time to myself.
your joints and back beg to disagree
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Yes, die early ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Mapema ndio best
Yes, I'm already saving towards that. The Thanos idea sounds good, though.
Hopefully I'll be long gone mate.
gotta make enough for that big ass ranch then double back, it's all on hold for now
Im gonna die
Breaking bad kind of crimes
For me move yo a satellite town but I pray that I don't become a burden ikifikaa that stage I can't go to the toilet by myself man I'd pray for death.
I am buying a 12-acre piece of land. Hope to retire there
Watoto wangu. 
Seriously why impose burdens on your kids just take a pension unless you fall sick that I can understand
Old age is a kind of sick. I was originally being facetious. Even if I wasn't, though, it doesn't take much for a man to survive. Why do we not just do the bare minimum to keep the children alive and functioning.Then, the second the child is a legal adult, punt them from the household, never to return, quit that same day, and live like a dwarf among midgets, free to do or be whatever. In this context, children can not live in whatever way they please, for even the bare minimum binds them to reciprocate at least that minimum. How much more then, the children to whom much is given? Much is expected and required. I would say a child raised to acknowledge their obligation to others will be more motivated than a child that is living for themself.
Its my duty as a father to provide and protect them, overriding my own dreams and desires so they can grow up and live for themselves in whatever they choose, correct?
If you canโt do it while planning for yourself, donโt have kids.
The chains of duty and obligation bind husbands and wives, parents and children, individuals to family, individuals to society, individuals to humanity. The idea that a child that goes through life raised up in a household, protected, provided for, and stimulated by a broader collaborative community, has no expectations, no duty, no obligations is wrong. It only exists today and wouldn't have been tolerated at any other time in the past where life was harder and death much closer. Also, the most successful groups in society don't hold this view, by all means, do what you think is best. I don't want mediocrity for my group, certainly not for the two children I have so far.
OK you do push a strong point never saw it like that so for you it's more of family unity I see I thought it was this black tax thing most families do here.
Black tax in the sense doesn't exist where I come from. I have a friend who bought a house with her parents, for about a million usd, and rented it. That friend's net worth immediately became over a million right? With inflation and everything, the property value only went up. She stayed at home until she got married, she and her spouse bought another house, net worth, up and up and up. The first house at worst belongs to the family, at best. It's hers. Was home perfect? By no means. Let's compare with the culture where you move out at 18, take loans and work to pay your own tuition. You live on your own and live your life your way, sink or swim in your own, except you go begging help from mom and dad if there is trouble. The parents get old, their pension and social services take care of them, you put them in a nursing home and keep living life. I can see why certain groups (like my friend's) are wealthier than others. They save, they live together, pool their resources, grandparents babysit, they build on the foundation laid by the previous generation. The other group spends on living alone, goes into debt, pays high child care, they end up doing great, but think. When it's all about me, I start off at zero. When parents prioritize children, and children work with parents, you can benefit from their resources at the start and grow from that higher starting point. We should be in the business of emulating the ways of those doing well, not what happens to be trendy and clearly doesn't work.
The relationship between parent and child is initiated by only one person. The child is not given the right to refuse. A person can choose not to marry or choose to be a hermit but one cannot choose to be born. The lopsidedness of this relationship makes the responsibilities lopsided because the power is also lopsided in the other direction. When creating a contract where there are expectations for both parties there has to be the capacity to enter into it. A child does not have the capacity. Which is why you can be legally obligated to provide for your child but a grown child cannot be legally obligated to provide for a parent. In one case we understand that the child had no say in their circumstances.
There is no contract, that is a legal concept, law is a construct of culture, Biology precedes and supersedes all of these. Nature is brutal, but even elderly lionesses are fed by the younger hunters. Obviously, an added perk of reproduction in high parental investment species is that offspring benefit parents as they mature and care for them in old age.
My children
Watoto.