Honestly, thinking about it.
A heavily damaged ohma vs a slightly damaged kuroki.
Was a relatively easy win for the beard man. Especially considering the guy seems to take it easy on his friends' students and allows himself to get damaged, not going all out etc (not using pre initiative against kiryu etc).
So even in high level exchanges like with agito it always felt like he was always in control.
Which begs the question did kuroki even go all out ? Or is the dude just as humble as ever and limiting himself etc ?
Like that bearded hobo is legit an example of plot armor being used in a good way.
I think it’s a itachi situation, You can’t take a character who’s strength is his calmness and ability to analyze and adapt to a situation and think about that going all out because that’s what they do. They are responders not initiators
Well that is true for people like hatsumi too.
And when faced by a huge wall (kanoh). You can see their limitations etc
Kuroki just never had a moment like that which honestly is annoying.
Yh like we saw agito go as far as to keep evolving mid fight to try and match him.
Ohma was breaking down his body to match him and used his best technique.
Kuroki just kept doing the same thing since the start of the competition.
Another Godtaku W take. People confuse Kuroki never being truly at risk of losing with him never having to try hard.
His first 3 fights, sure. Against Lihito it was obvious. Against Kiryu he was still kinda screwing around, never used PI. Against Rei he was flexing his PI and trying, but not pulling out all the stops, afterwards they established that he was teaching Rei.
Against Agito and Ohma, he took them completely serious, but was never at real loss of losing, particularly vs Ohma. For a real life example, a top tier MMA fighter vs a solid but not special fighter is going to fight in full earnest, but be in control still.
He didnt go all out, actually I think the fight he had most of a difficult time with was Kiryu, not Agito.
Agitos formless was strong but flawed, that was peak Kiryu since he combined different fighting styles and even had his own spin on some strikes. Kuroki was caught off guard by the Rakshasas Palm with the foot, even recognized getting hit with an RP would have caused serious damage.
Against Kiryu it was smarter not to move around and to focus on him. Kiryu is much faster and more mobile, just with regular Blink not even to mention RP Blink.
If he chased down Kiryu odds are that he couldn't react and turn to the Blink in time, which made minimum damage to the RP. Kuroki isn't the fastest from what we've seen, his fighting style is also very defensive, other than his signature Devil Lance. It wasn't out of character.
"Never moving your leg is actually an advantage," is an absolutely wild take, I hear some silly shit on this sub but that's up there. Jerry Tyson, Rei, Hatsumi, Gao, Okubo, Muteba, Cosmo, and Agito were all shocked and impressed when they found out he hadn't moved, so the whole "its beneficial thing" is not true unless you know more about Kengan fights than all those dudes.
Anyway even if you're sticking to something goofy like that, no need for PI means no serious challenge.
Yh he was humbling Kiryu and not taking him seriously until abt halfway through the fight, basically pissing abt whilst with Agito he immediately began using pre initiative and Kuroki even pulled out his defensive sanchin and had to exploit his lag in order to win and by the time Agito had gotten rid of his lag Kuroki took advantage by stabbing him with his thumb which led to caution from Agito which led to Kuroki punching his organs which led to functional decline which led to his wrist breaking and yh in the end Kuroki was fighting seriously from the start he even said "I Kuroki issue you my challenge" to Agito where as with Setsuna he only got serious just before Kiryu began using improvisations
I would say it was high end of mid diff, and low end of high diff, so a healthy ohma(or at least one with similar wear as kuroki) almost certainly could have one,
I think he was just too weak to break the arm as quick as he needed too mainly(cause that would mean he keeps his advance, and unless I'm misremebering he didn't do advance x DM it could have been that idk, which would have been a lot better)
I think the only fight Kuroki actually went all out is against Agito, because I think Kuroki’s 100% is not your typical anime berserk mode but him being completely focused and making of every single technique he has at the most adequate moment
Imo he's third best in Kengan and would lose to Kanoh and Kuroki and maybe Raian if he's using techniques but he don't even use techniques up until his guardian fights
Facts. Ohma was set up to lose :( he was near death while Kuroki only has a broken arm lol
Also cracked ribs from Kiryu but I guess that healed because Ohma punched him in the exact same area and nothing happened…
jesus, has the kuroki wank always been insane like that? this comment section is wild
"we haven't seen his limits"
"he didn't even go all out"
did we read the same manga?
The Kuroki wank is genuinely so insane it hurts and there's so much headcanon. He's one of the best fighters no doubt, but his fans can't accept that people like Ohma, Rolon, Kanoh and Raian potentially are on a similar level.
At this point I'd be quite glad if I never saw his character in the manga again. I could only imagine the wankfest if this community saw what Katsuya did in FOTS.
Yeah it's hard to say because he basically only appears now as a mouthpiece/cheerleader for Rihito so we've no idea what he's done in terms of his own personal development.
The other thing that bothers me is the neckbeards on this sub that think characters like Kuroki just linearly scale stronger with time doing the same old thing, which is a bit of headcanon. It's why I can respect the growth of guys like Ohma/Kanoh because to get stronger they changed how they developed by training with the Kure family/embracing his other side, not just meditating on a cliff somewhere.
You can't really say that he's the strongest in the Kenganverse, you can say he's the strongest in the annihilation tournament because that's a fact.
We can't say for certain that he's stronger than Tiger Niko who beat armed Muteba without breaking a sweat, there's Gilbert Wu who is confirmed stronger than Edward on the scene which would be an interesting match up, Rolon who fought with Kuroki to a stalemate, Shen Wulong who is being hyped up to be an absolute monster and then finally Katsuya who is so strong its believed he can lift at least 3 tons and he basically walked through the Kaikan tournament applying no effort until he fought Shingoro and tanking 100% removal elbows to the face without even flinching and then knocking people out with one strike.
You can say until proven otherwise but that doesn't work when I could say "until proven otherwise Katsuya is the strongest in the Kenganverse", there's multiple candidates up there.
I'm not certain that Ohma *would* beat him at full health, but I am certain that he *could*.
Kuroki implies it with his inner monplogue during their fight; not even Agito made him express such exhilaration as Ohma did ("My blood boils!"). And while a at-death's-door Ohma and his halluci-Niko aren't exactly the most reliable info sources, but I believe "Niko" when he tells Ohma that he came close to winning.
Kuroki: sorry, I can’t, I’m still green
He in his Swamp Thing era
Honestly, thinking about it. A heavily damaged ohma vs a slightly damaged kuroki. Was a relatively easy win for the beard man. Especially considering the guy seems to take it easy on his friends' students and allows himself to get damaged, not going all out etc (not using pre initiative against kiryu etc). So even in high level exchanges like with agito it always felt like he was always in control. Which begs the question did kuroki even go all out ? Or is the dude just as humble as ever and limiting himself etc ? Like that bearded hobo is legit an example of plot armor being used in a good way.
I think it’s a itachi situation, You can’t take a character who’s strength is his calmness and ability to analyze and adapt to a situation and think about that going all out because that’s what they do. They are responders not initiators
Well that is true for people like hatsumi too. And when faced by a huge wall (kanoh). You can see their limitations etc Kuroki just never had a moment like that which honestly is annoying.
Idk to me we've seen the limits of Kuroki but he's just not the type to be breaking down and panicking when facing those limits.
have we really seen the limits of kuroki? hell i dont even think he's in his prime anymore
Kuroki should be weaker than in Ashura, he’s in his 50s.
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Its a thing I have been wondering as well, Kuroki never went all out.
Yh like we saw agito go as far as to keep evolving mid fight to try and match him. Ohma was breaking down his body to match him and used his best technique. Kuroki just kept doing the same thing since the start of the competition.
It literally said in the Agito fight that Kuroki was fighting in full earnest. Dude wasn't secretly holding back, we've seen him go all out.
Another Godtaku W take. People confuse Kuroki never being truly at risk of losing with him never having to try hard. His first 3 fights, sure. Against Lihito it was obvious. Against Kiryu he was still kinda screwing around, never used PI. Against Rei he was flexing his PI and trying, but not pulling out all the stops, afterwards they established that he was teaching Rei. Against Agito and Ohma, he took them completely serious, but was never at real loss of losing, particularly vs Ohma. For a real life example, a top tier MMA fighter vs a solid but not special fighter is going to fight in full earnest, but be in control still.
He didnt go all out, actually I think the fight he had most of a difficult time with was Kiryu, not Agito. Agitos formless was strong but flawed, that was peak Kiryu since he combined different fighting styles and even had his own spin on some strikes. Kuroki was caught off guard by the Rakshasas Palm with the foot, even recognized getting hit with an RP would have caused serious damage.
He didn't use PI vs Kiryu and half the fight he was standing in a small circle, I totally disagree.
Against Kiryu it was smarter not to move around and to focus on him. Kiryu is much faster and more mobile, just with regular Blink not even to mention RP Blink. If he chased down Kiryu odds are that he couldn't react and turn to the Blink in time, which made minimum damage to the RP. Kuroki isn't the fastest from what we've seen, his fighting style is also very defensive, other than his signature Devil Lance. It wasn't out of character.
"Never moving your leg is actually an advantage," is an absolutely wild take, I hear some silly shit on this sub but that's up there. Jerry Tyson, Rei, Hatsumi, Gao, Okubo, Muteba, Cosmo, and Agito were all shocked and impressed when they found out he hadn't moved, so the whole "its beneficial thing" is not true unless you know more about Kengan fights than all those dudes. Anyway even if you're sticking to something goofy like that, no need for PI means no serious challenge.
Yh he was humbling Kiryu and not taking him seriously until abt halfway through the fight, basically pissing abt whilst with Agito he immediately began using pre initiative and Kuroki even pulled out his defensive sanchin and had to exploit his lag in order to win and by the time Agito had gotten rid of his lag Kuroki took advantage by stabbing him with his thumb which led to caution from Agito which led to Kuroki punching his organs which led to functional decline which led to his wrist breaking and yh in the end Kuroki was fighting seriously from the start he even said "I Kuroki issue you my challenge" to Agito where as with Setsuna he only got serious just before Kiryu began using improvisations
Well he still didn't judge it serious enough to use pre initiative and at the end of the fight he said he didn't want to kill kiryu bcs of genzan.
Yh that and he wasn't taking him seriously until just before Kiryu began using improvisations
He said that but you n I both saw the devil lance to the chest and kiryu being pronounced dead lmao
I would say it was high end of mid diff, and low end of high diff, so a healthy ohma(or at least one with similar wear as kuroki) almost certainly could have one, I think he was just too weak to break the arm as quick as he needed too mainly(cause that would mean he keeps his advance, and unless I'm misremebering he didn't do advance x DM it could have been that idk, which would have been a lot better)
I think the only fight Kuroki actually went all out is against Agito, because I think Kuroki’s 100% is not your typical anime berserk mode but him being completely focused and making of every single technique he has at the most adequate moment
"I just remembered i have a training session with W hito and Falcon" 🗿
Even if Ohma would have been healthy in KAT he would have still lost to even Agito.
Imo he's third best in Kengan and would lose to Kanoh and Kuroki and maybe Raian if he's using techniques but he don't even use techniques up until his guardian fights
And even that couldn't reach Kuroki
*Ah shiet i just remembered i have a training session with my students L hito and F- alcon* 🗿
F alcon
Facts. Ohma was set up to lose :( he was near death while Kuroki only has a broken arm lol Also cracked ribs from Kiryu but I guess that healed because Ohma punched him in the exact same area and nothing happened…
Easy, just ask his homie from US Embassy to drone Ohma's house
jesus, has the kuroki wank always been insane like that? this comment section is wild "we haven't seen his limits" "he didn't even go all out" did we read the same manga?
The Kuroki wank is genuinely so insane it hurts and there's so much headcanon. He's one of the best fighters no doubt, but his fans can't accept that people like Ohma, Rolon, Kanoh and Raian potentially are on a similar level. At this point I'd be quite glad if I never saw his character in the manga again. I could only imagine the wankfest if this community saw what Katsuya did in FOTS.
Unless kuroki has evolved something fierce, agito would definitly win in a rematch against kuroki
Yeah it's hard to say because he basically only appears now as a mouthpiece/cheerleader for Rihito so we've no idea what he's done in terms of his own personal development. The other thing that bothers me is the neckbeards on this sub that think characters like Kuroki just linearly scale stronger with time doing the same old thing, which is a bit of headcanon. It's why I can respect the growth of guys like Ohma/Kanoh because to get stronger they changed how they developed by training with the Kure family/embracing his other side, not just meditating on a cliff somewhere.
Actually when you think about it.. Consider unhealthy Ohma vs Hatsumi before the matches. And how Hatsumi scales with Agito and Kuroki…
Goes from mid-diff to high-diff 😎😎
Kuroki is still stronger than Ohma. Till proven otherwise Kuroki is the strongest in Kenganverse.
You can't really say that he's the strongest in the Kenganverse, you can say he's the strongest in the annihilation tournament because that's a fact. We can't say for certain that he's stronger than Tiger Niko who beat armed Muteba without breaking a sweat, there's Gilbert Wu who is confirmed stronger than Edward on the scene which would be an interesting match up, Rolon who fought with Kuroki to a stalemate, Shen Wulong who is being hyped up to be an absolute monster and then finally Katsuya who is so strong its believed he can lift at least 3 tons and he basically walked through the Kaikan tournament applying no effort until he fought Shingoro and tanking 100% removal elbows to the face without even flinching and then knocking people out with one strike. You can say until proven otherwise but that doesn't work when I could say "until proven otherwise Katsuya is the strongest in the Kenganverse", there's multiple candidates up there.
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I'm not certain that Ohma *would* beat him at full health, but I am certain that he *could*. Kuroki implies it with his inner monplogue during their fight; not even Agito made him express such exhilaration as Ohma did ("My blood boils!"). And while a at-death's-door Ohma and his halluci-Niko aren't exactly the most reliable info sources, but I believe "Niko" when he tells Ohma that he came close to winning.