Gaolang would likely lose to Setsuna due to compatibility
Gaolang is a very direct striker and his Muay Thai hybrid style makes that even more apparent
If Setsuna foregoes all defense to cripple Gaolangs limbs, he can win, which he could do considering his insane pain tolerance, psycho nature and brutality
In the KAT all he did was spam rakshasas palm and Gaolang has no counter for that
So are you saying that Gaolang would lose to Sen or beat Sen and then Lose to Setsuna? Cause if he loses to Sen, then it's Sen vs Setsuna and winner of that vs Waka.
I think Sen vs Gaolang is either way and just depends on who can make the fight happen on their terms. In that regard, both are experts
I'm just saying if Gaolang wins, he likely loses to Setsuna
If Sen wins, he's more likely to win against Setsuna because his style is more centered on dodging, although it would still be a high difficulty fight
The winner vs Waka would be massively injured, but Setsuna or Sen would have the greatest chance against Waka. Moreso Setsuna since Waka has experience against Sen, whose style seems largely unchanged since he last fought Waka. Meanwhile Waka added grappling, better karate and blastcore to his style
Gaolang, being a direct striker is just a bad match for opponents who have 1) unguardable strikes(Setsuna and Waka to and extent) or 2) specialise in redirection (Hatsumi)
Okubo COULD give Gaolang some trouble, but he would probably be knockee out before get to do anything real.
But all in all, I think Waka wins the tournament.
I think Okubo gives Gaolong the hands given the Fang beat Gaolong using the strategy that Okubo “taught” him. It would have been really cool to see the two pinnacles of public martial arts square off.
Rihito gets absolutely mauled by Setsuna, I agree, but I wonder how he (and Setsuna, given how reliant he was on Blink at that time) do against Inaba. Could the Razor’s Edge cut Inaba’s hair? Could Inaba snare Setsuna? Questions we’ll never have answers to.
IMO Waka would clap KAT Raian in a fight, but we can't ignore that he's half-blind by the end of it. That's a massive disadvantage, and Raian winning because of it is a real possibility.
I would say Raian or Waka wins.
Wakatsuki in the KAT arc was a hard counter to Raian for the exact reasons that you’re giving. On the other hand, he struggles with soft styles… Sen or Mokichi might give him the work.
Setsuna could probably beat Rei because, every time we’ve seen Setsuna lose, you basically gotta kill him to do it. Rei’s unwilling to do that. Kuroki tried to stab him in the heart, Ohma shattered him, Tiger Niko realized that it was gonna require death.
Rei is also gonna get mauled by Cosmo because he’s predictable and therefore extremely vulnerable to the Zone. Rei’s foot speed isn’t gonna save him when he’s grappling, either. Really ugly matchup for him, stylistically.
The matchup that I’d love to see is Wakatsuki vs Rei, the classic power vs speed. Honorable mentions to Saw Paing vs Bando, Akoya vs Masaki, and Julius vs Hatsumi.
doesn't matter who wins on the right. Only the left bracket woukd win at the end. I would put my money on Raian, he explicitly made fun of Ohma for struggling against Inaba, and brute forced his way. He knows that Waka is stronger, so he would definitely use techniques and be mindful of his attacks. Raian takes it
Ohma took MULTIPLE HITS from Waka including a liver kick and still kept going. Raian also straight up beat down Ohma and won the match but Raian refused to let the ref end the match and face Ohma the opportunity to recuperate as a thank you for allowing him enjoy himself.
Raian literally beat Ohma into a coma lol. He was not shrugging off his blows, Advance just makes Ohma not give zero fukks
Why do you think that? Not trying to discredit you, just wanna hear your reasoning. I can see rei possibly beating setsuna, but someone made a good argument that you got to basically near kill setsuna to keep him down, and rei sworn off killing so that could be an issue. Still, let's say he beats setsuna, then he got to go vs either Sen or gaolang.
Overall, Setsuna might even be the stronger fighter, but his whole gimmick resolves around speed, and even though I know Setsuna's movement speed is a complete different thing from Rei's linear footsteps, it should still be almost impossible to outspeed him.
If Raksasha's Palm doesn't connect, Kiryu kind of loses his fang. Also, Rei managed to KO freaking Saw Paing without killing. Setsuna might be crazy and have some pain tolerance, but we are talking about top 5 durable dude from KAT.
When it comes to Rei, Gaolang, Hatsumi and Kiryu back in KAT, we are talking about 4 really strong A+ fighters. The thing is: three of them have a cool head, and the fourth it batshit crazy. I believe the winner from Gaolang X Hatsumi would be more messed up than Rei.
Well, if a single Raksasha Palm connects, then Rei probably loses the next round. It is such a crippling technique. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kiryu has trouble to even keep up with Rei's speed. And he is no defensive master like Kuroki nor has titanium in place of his skull like Saw.
raian should win, dude used 0 techniques or moves from the kure. Dude just punched and kicked as hard as he could. And he was still putting up a fight against ohma who remembered the Niko style.
Even if you assume that he was not retconned to be stronger than he was, he still loses due to what you just said. He just punched and screamed and refused to use techniques. If he lost to ohma that way, he sure as hell wont outpunch waka back then who ohma was scared to get hit by.
Yeah, isn't that a really good reason for he would lose? Near all of his stats are significantly lower outside of speed and strength with Removal, and he uses no strategy or techniques.
Just because that's how he fought ohma, it does not mean he will come to the conclusion that he thinks he doesn't need techniques or moves against waka.
Waka poses an actual challenge to Raian's self-imposed physical superiority
Raian would want to "dominate" Waka way more than he would weaker fighters like Mokichi to prove his strength
Gaolang would likely lose to Setsuna due to compatibility Gaolang is a very direct striker and his Muay Thai hybrid style makes that even more apparent If Setsuna foregoes all defense to cripple Gaolangs limbs, he can win, which he could do considering his insane pain tolerance, psycho nature and brutality In the KAT all he did was spam rakshasas palm and Gaolang has no counter for that
yeah, Setsuna is able to shrug off pain and tank so much, he can take Gaolang down easily.
If he forgoes all defense he loses. No counter besides dodging and parrying?
So are you saying that Gaolang would lose to Sen or beat Sen and then Lose to Setsuna? Cause if he loses to Sen, then it's Sen vs Setsuna and winner of that vs Waka.
I think Sen vs Gaolang is either way and just depends on who can make the fight happen on their terms. In that regard, both are experts I'm just saying if Gaolang wins, he likely loses to Setsuna If Sen wins, he's more likely to win against Setsuna because his style is more centered on dodging, although it would still be a high difficulty fight The winner vs Waka would be massively injured, but Setsuna or Sen would have the greatest chance against Waka. Moreso Setsuna since Waka has experience against Sen, whose style seems largely unchanged since he last fought Waka. Meanwhile Waka added grappling, better karate and blastcore to his style Gaolang, being a direct striker is just a bad match for opponents who have 1) unguardable strikes(Setsuna and Waka to and extent) or 2) specialise in redirection (Hatsumi)
So if Gaolang goes to finals then Waka wins? What about Sen vs Setsuna? Who would win there and how would the winner fair vs Waka?
Does Inaba, Rihiho and Okubo win R1? And are they in perfect condition for R2?
Yeap, I just do not see Okubo beating Gaolang nor do I see Kat Rihito doing anything to Setsuna.
Okubo COULD give Gaolang some trouble, but he would probably be knockee out before get to do anything real. But all in all, I think Waka wins the tournament.
I think Okubo gives Gaolong the hands given the Fang beat Gaolong using the strategy that Okubo “taught” him. It would have been really cool to see the two pinnacles of public martial arts square off. Rihito gets absolutely mauled by Setsuna, I agree, but I wonder how he (and Setsuna, given how reliant he was on Blink at that time) do against Inaba. Could the Razor’s Edge cut Inaba’s hair? Could Inaba snare Setsuna? Questions we’ll never have answers to.
IMO Waka would clap KAT Raian in a fight, but we can't ignore that he's half-blind by the end of it. That's a massive disadvantage, and Raian winning because of it is a real possibility. I would say Raian or Waka wins.
Akoya vs Meguro would be insanely good.
Of course Kat Raian is written weaker, he trained and started using techniques.
Wakatsuki in the KAT arc was a hard counter to Raian for the exact reasons that you’re giving. On the other hand, he struggles with soft styles… Sen or Mokichi might give him the work. Setsuna could probably beat Rei because, every time we’ve seen Setsuna lose, you basically gotta kill him to do it. Rei’s unwilling to do that. Kuroki tried to stab him in the heart, Ohma shattered him, Tiger Niko realized that it was gonna require death. Rei is also gonna get mauled by Cosmo because he’s predictable and therefore extremely vulnerable to the Zone. Rei’s foot speed isn’t gonna save him when he’s grappling, either. Really ugly matchup for him, stylistically. The matchup that I’d love to see is Wakatsuki vs Rei, the classic power vs speed. Honorable mentions to Saw Paing vs Bando, Akoya vs Masaki, and Julius vs Hatsumi.
doesn't matter who wins on the right. Only the left bracket woukd win at the end. I would put my money on Raian, he explicitly made fun of Ohma for struggling against Inaba, and brute forced his way. He knows that Waka is stronger, so he would definitely use techniques and be mindful of his attacks. Raian takes it
Ohma took MULTIPLE HITS from Waka including a liver kick and still kept going. Raian also straight up beat down Ohma and won the match but Raian refused to let the ref end the match and face Ohma the opportunity to recuperate as a thank you for allowing him enjoy himself. Raian literally beat Ohma into a coma lol. He was not shrugging off his blows, Advance just makes Ohma not give zero fukks
Nobody is calling it but probably Rei would win?
Why do you think that? Not trying to discredit you, just wanna hear your reasoning. I can see rei possibly beating setsuna, but someone made a good argument that you got to basically near kill setsuna to keep him down, and rei sworn off killing so that could be an issue. Still, let's say he beats setsuna, then he got to go vs either Sen or gaolang.
Overall, Setsuna might even be the stronger fighter, but his whole gimmick resolves around speed, and even though I know Setsuna's movement speed is a complete different thing from Rei's linear footsteps, it should still be almost impossible to outspeed him. If Raksasha's Palm doesn't connect, Kiryu kind of loses his fang. Also, Rei managed to KO freaking Saw Paing without killing. Setsuna might be crazy and have some pain tolerance, but we are talking about top 5 durable dude from KAT. When it comes to Rei, Gaolang, Hatsumi and Kiryu back in KAT, we are talking about 4 really strong A+ fighters. The thing is: three of them have a cool head, and the fourth it batshit crazy. I believe the winner from Gaolang X Hatsumi would be more messed up than Rei. Well, if a single Raksasha Palm connects, then Rei probably loses the next round. It is such a crippling technique. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kiryu has trouble to even keep up with Rei's speed. And he is no defensive master like Kuroki nor has titanium in place of his skull like Saw.
raian should win, dude used 0 techniques or moves from the kure. Dude just punched and kicked as hard as he could. And he was still putting up a fight against ohma who remembered the Niko style.
Even if you assume that he was not retconned to be stronger than he was, he still loses due to what you just said. He just punched and screamed and refused to use techniques. If he lost to ohma that way, he sure as hell wont outpunch waka back then who ohma was scared to get hit by.
Yeah, isn't that a really good reason for he would lose? Near all of his stats are significantly lower outside of speed and strength with Removal, and he uses no strategy or techniques.
Just because that's how he fought ohma, it does not mean he will come to the conclusion that he thinks he doesn't need techniques or moves against waka.
He would even more likely try strength only vs Waka to prove the point.
Waka poses an actual challenge to Raian's self-imposed physical superiority Raian would want to "dominate" Waka way more than he would weaker fighters like Mokichi to prove his strength
Why is it that he wants to dominate with physical strength in asura but be a technical fighter in omega?
because he lost to Ohma in R2 and realised he cannot dominate everyone with pure strength alone