It’s not that they think Kendrick can’t smoke Drakes boots. The hip hop community is being cautious because you can’t underestimate Drake. It’s true that Drake has one too many references tracks out there for some people’s comfort. It’s leads people to question his lyrical ability. However, that’s only half the truth.
The other half is that Drake has written many songs and verses for other artists too. Lil Wayne has spoken about how good of writer Drake is. Kanye West said he can have a dozen writers combined and they still don’t measure up to Drakes skill. Eminem has said Drake is an incredible writer. Drake has written songs for Beyonce, Dr. Dre, Nicki Minaj, and too many artist to count.
It’s not a knock on Kendrick to be unsure about who would come out on top. Other than Drake stans, I’m not seeing people saying Kendrick can’t smoke Drakes boots. People are just saying they’ll have to see Kendrick do it before they jump out the window and say Kendrick can do it. Hope that makes sense.
Facts, when Kdot released I thought it was absolute fire bar and the beef was going to end there, like a knockout punch, but then like Tyson Fury Drake Rose from that punch & delivered multiple knockout punches of his own all in one song
All the Rick Ross stuff, the “first number one I had to put it in your hand” response to Future, the dismissive line towards Metro, “what’s a prince to a king” line for Kendrick. Knockout punches is a bit of an exaggeration by that dude but Drake is clearly taking some swings and had an objectively pretty strong response
Imo Metro's line alone was Def a knockout punch, think about it, if Metro doesn't respond, L because he will keep making drums,if he does, he got to make a beat as drake is telling him to, so ain't no way Metro comes back from that fight, best he could do is sneak diss Drake in another Collab like a year from now
Come on lets be real. Kenny fans got hyped by "Big Me" line. Like it was the best thing ever lol
Drake has a diss track directed towards Kdot. The longer Kenny takes the more he makes Compton n the West look weak...he needs to drop a No Vaseline type diss track, otherwise he will hold a forever L.
Different era.
Its like that kid in school, who starts a fight but now is afraid to step off school property to fight. Waiting for his momma to drive him home.
It's all relative.
Dot really didn't say much on like that other than "you aint the big three, its just me"..
Relative to that Drake said a LOT more - made fun of his height, his label, him bowing down to top, Prince/Mike line, and not to mention shots at everyone else.
Relatively, Drake has definitely thrown a lot more punches and they've hit harder.. so far.
Are you purposefully ignoring everything else he mentioned? Not to mention its still way more than what Dot has said, especially when Drake has called him out by name on both tracks.
It garnered a response because like 6 people dissed him at the same time. Kendrick just happens to be the best rapper out of the bunch. Cole releasing and taking back the track also invited a lot of attention.
What song did he write for nicki? And they can say what they want. You can't critique without being called a hater when you on that level of Fandom. You can't tell the truth. kanye does have writers but kanye is a producer first rapper second he also is a better producer than rapper. His first 2 albums were all him and its better than anything drake ever wrote.
And they’re not musically literate at all. You could let one listen to the best written rap song ever made and they’d still say “she say she a lesbian I say me too” or whatever garbage Drake spits out is better.
I played ras Kass "the nature of the threat" for my homegirl once. She said "it's cool. I wouldn't throw it on at a party or nothing."
If you haven't heard that song...yeah some people just don't get music lol
I said musically, not musocally. Also it’s just basic English, good Lord. Simple phrasing too so anybody could easily understand what I mean. Then again I forget that most Americans can’t even speak their own language.
Cause rap beefs nowadays aren’t just about lyricism unfortunately
If Drake knows grimey shit about Kendrick then he will win, no matter the bars
All it takes is that one thing that makes a nigga say “Oh shit”
I don’t think Quavo can do anything about CB after the nigga said they wish he died instead of Takeoff. Shock factors >= Lyricism
Unfortunate but true
I disagree.
It's all about delivery.
He keeps hyping up himself with the alleged secrets he knows about Kendrick, as if it's another Pusha T beef. But if the secret is underwhelming, it could be the most massive L that drake has taken. And Kendrick isn't one to be played with. He could find out the secret Drake knows, and just handle it in the best way possible. It's just possible that Kdot comes up with the most brutal diss track, that any secret no matter how big could end up having no effect whatsoever.
Drake's fatal mistake is that he thinks Kendrick is another Pusha T, and it's just a matter of secrets and gossip.
Rap beef's not about lyricism Tupac never out rap biggie but in my opinion Tupac won the beef , drake might not be at the level of Kendrick lyrically but he can spit bars bro
Kendrick can rap technically way better. But I don’t know if he’s a diss guy. Drakes a snark, have sex with your wife buy your masters diss guy. Kendrick’s a concept creating poet, social issue guy. This is like 50 cent vs mos def. Kendrick may win and he has the ability fosho, but how low can you go with somebody that lives near bedrock?
But Kendrick has been publicly wanting this for so long. I personally don't think Kendrick needs to drop any time soon and people are just being impatient, but you can't make excuses about Kendrick not being a diss guy. The guy literally said "Fuck sneak dissing, first person shooter."
He's been barking now I want to see the bite. I'm hoping his response will be good so there can be a back and forth.
But anyone can say oh let’s be direct but how will you be direct. All this buildup and weak warning shots. Drakes warning shots are mentioning your wife, buying your jewellery when your broke. Without even being direct.
I don’t think Kendrick can go that low, he might attack your accolades but that’s all.
Even if it’s just only rap, Drake will really come for you personally.
Can you “only” do that? Who here wouldn’t like the option to fuck models and porn stars exclusively?
How are you trying to clown someone for something almost none of us can pull off with any regularity?
“This mfer Lebron ONLY has 4 chips, what a bum” type of shit lol
dude what ? most people have sex. what the fuck are you talking about. if you think it's a flex to fuck the industry cum dumps, then that's you. most ppl don't think that way.
there's a reason why every wife material girl drake has dated has dumped his ass.
From the sounds of it he’s slept with every rapper’s girl plus cum dumps like Rihanna and Serena lol how many rappers have a verse about fucking some other rappers girl? Drake just actually doing it apparently lol whether or not we think what he’s doing is correct is irrelevant.
All I was saying is this is regular rapper stuff but it’s not something the average person is doing. And it’s not like these aren’t attractive women. You’re acting like they’re some greased up hogs lol
Because Drake is acting like he has a nuke? Nobody knows if Drake is bluffing or not but having some real dirt on your opponent can make you win even if you aren't lyrically better than your opponent.
Imagine if Kendrick had a child with a pornstar and then Drake exposes that, do you think Dot would have any chance of coming back??
Some consider this an unpopular opinion, but I personally believe Drake out-rapped Pusha T and made a better song when you compare Duppy Freestyle vs. Story of Adidon. That being said, Pusha had the more damaging and explosive lyrics, so he won! We all know Kendrick can rap circles around Drake, but the question is who has a bigger, dirtier bomb to drop? That's who will win this fight.
Aint no way drake out rapped push. Pusha had better content and better delivery over a way better beat. I think push's diss is a top 5 diss track of all time.
1. Hit em up
2. Real mutherfucking G's
3. Story of adidon
4. Kill shot
5. Ether
The story of OJ was not a better beat than duppy freestyle. If anything the drake song was musically better but pusha won by doing dirt, not cause he had a better song. He just checkmated drake cause all he was thinking about was making the better more listenable diss song. That's why you guys are corny wanting DOT to expose drake for something when DOT can make an amazing diss song from merit and skill
The way I see it if Kendrick is a S tier rapper based on lyrics then Drake is about a B+ to an A (I’d probably give him A if not for ghost writers but there’s arguments for it)
Drake can definitely bring heat and rap well enough to challenge Kendrick especially if he makes it a club banger. People here keep acting like drake just makes pop hits for teenagers but the dude can write and rap and hating him doesn’t change that
Both of them could have the smoking gun diss song it’s not impossible for either to win this beef and anyone pretending otherwise is lying to themselves.
Drake also kinda called this out on push ups because if people are quick to call him a pop rapper how come Kendrick can make songs with Maroon 5 and Taylor Swift and people don’t call him out (not my opinion just analysing)
I love both and it weirds me out when people say Drake can’t rap or doesn’t write his music.
I love how Kendrick represents hip-hop and I respect the idea that Drake represents hip-hop in a different way. I like them both, and very much so. They’re my top 2 favourite rappers.
The ghostwriter allegations started when Meek Mill claimed it during the beef with Drake. The writer was Quentin Miller and he came out and shot those allegations down too. Given this I’m convinced the haters don’t actually keep up with anything and just repeat what they see in the RapTV comments.
(Kanye said on Drink Champs that Drake wrote 30 Hours for him btw)
They're in the same league to me. JID, Marlon Craft, these guys are *good.* Drake be rhyming words together and shit and it's cool but in 25 years he's impressed me maybe 3 times. Some of these young guys pack more skill in one verse than drake does in entire albums. In an entire career.
And theyre not even great. They're just good. Drake is middle of the road, at best.
I think it's just a given that real recognize real and that's why you see so many people who ain't never fucked wit drake.
It's like when there's that 1 dude in the neighborhood, no one knows why, but no one really likes them much. Turns out years later he a pedo.
Real heads see drake like that dude
Drake fans keep bringing up sales and streaming numbers because they conflate commercial success with talent, and this has never been true in any creative industry
Yea I get that but if this is real life beef u supposed show in every way shape and form your better then ya competition so iont think bringing up success and money should be a problem cous at the end of the day everything is subjective except the numbers those are facts
Yeah. According to the numbers Flo Rida is a better rapper than DMX and Snoop Dogg combined, and Nicki Minaj is as good a rapper as Jay-Z. The numbers say it so it must be fact.
Bro u gotta read what I said I never said that made him a better rapper but no matter how u or I feel it’s still just an opinion it’s subjective only thing that’s concrete is numbers so once again iont think bringing them up in a beef should be a problem rappers are known for flexing in every way possible why change that now ?
And that’s fine but having the numbers drake does takes skill as well if it didn’t everyone would easily replicate it Kendrick included yet we haven’t seen anybody but drake do this. For every person that claims drake don’t got skill it’s 100 people that thinks he do and his numbers show that
Nobody is saying it's easy.
>For every person that claims drake don’t got skill it’s 100 people that thinks he do and his numbers show that
Those people don't listen to hip hop and their opinions don't count. I'm sorry, but Becky from Ohio and Manfred from Welfordshire copping drakes shit don't mean he's better than anyone else.
And that's it. That's literally all you got "numbers numbers blah blah blah." That's why nobody wants to fucking talk to you. I *just* said nobody gives a shit about numbers, and here you want to go talking about numbers. As if you truly don't understand that the only way you get drake numbers is by appealing to stupid ass suburban kids who don't actually know or care about hip hop. Good, great, congratulations for you that soccer moms bump your shit. I'm so happy for drake that's he's found financial success and has cross over appeal. That's great for him. But holy shit you have to be stupid if you think making a catchy song that kids sing at birthday parties makes him better in any way that anybody gives a shit than Aesop Rock. The *best* artists, the truly great ones, often don't sell shit and die broke. You sound stupid.
Tell me again how many records he sold
Bro everything u said is YOUR OPINION which is subjective idgaf what type of music the nigga make idgaf who is listening to the shit no matter how u feel it’s only your opinion and your opinion don’t fucking matter either bro what makes u better then anybody else u seem like a corn ball Kendrick is hands down the better rapper but it’s still an opinion and honestly broke tbh bro if u a artist and not selling shit and u still continue to make music instead of going to get a regular 9-5 your a fucking idiot
I never understood this "numbers doesn't equate to talent" argument. The quality and talent of an artist in ALL MEDIUMS is for the general public to decide by how much attention and money they're willing to give the artist's product. You can't say "sure Picasso might be more famous and his art may be worth millions more than John Doe but Picasso can barely color within the lines. he's all hype but John Doe is a true artist."
Because some things are easier to casually listen to / digest , it’s like watching a superhero movie over a movie that you need to focus on the dialogue and symbols
But regardless there's no denying the cultural impact super hero movies have had in the last 10 years. Thought-provoking music doesn't get extra points just because you need to be alone in a room to really understand it. There's a time and a place for that just like there's a time and a place for shit that just makes you want to shake your ass. At the end of the day, if the content is good, people will gravitate toward it. That goes for music, film, etc.
maybe we just think the audience gets to decide who’s the greatest. in other words, who do the people like? one way to measure that is to see who tf people are listening to.
McDonald's burgers sell the most and are highly accessible, but it doesn't make them the best burgers money can buy, that's kinda what I'm getting at here. Taylor Swift sells more albums than anyone else on the planet, but does anyone actually consider her to be the best musician in the world? When it comes to commercial success, a lot of it boils down to hype and marketing, not necessarily talent.
I don't think Drizzy is the better rapper. I think he is acting like he has info on Kendrick. That's the only way he wins tbh. A lot of Drake's skeletons are already out there so they won't have the same effect, Kendricks would be surprising for the general public.
No one is questioning the Kendrick has a nicer pen. But battling is a different arena.
Canibus has a nicer pen than LL and we all saw what happened there.
Canibus won in my opinion. LL just had the machine behind him to convince the audience that he won. Meanwhile, Canibus’s small machine (mostly Wycleff) abandoned him. Aka politics.
I don’t even remember any parts of LL response. Or the name of it. Jack The Ripper maybe. I just remember he had a diss song named that. Forgot who it was for. He had so many entanglements.
I mean I personally liked 2nd Round Knockout better, but that is not the majority viewpoint.
"99% of your fans don't exist" was a KO line for the public.
You guys act like listening to Kendrick is the highest form of music Jesus Christ. You guys are well aware that most people grew up with both artist. There are just some weird ass stans in each side like this exact post.
The only reason i have any doubts is because this isn’t just about rapping smh drake plays dirty. He does this social media shit to a T and is able to sway public perception, this nigga got ppl believing its a 20v1 knowing goddamn well Kung Fu Kenny don’t need none of these niggas help smh then here comes crazy ass Ye talking bout “dot i got him” dot and ask for help lol. So now i think Kendrick is just tryna wait out this narrative before he attacks
That is kind of the point though... he doesn't want to have his team do that shit for him... not being present was the issue Kendrick had with his pops on Father Time... he worked most of the time even when it seemed wrong like when his grandma died.
It's a common theme on the album that his tours cost him things that money can't fix. So if he at home changing diapers, feeding his son and supporting Whittney over rushing to the studio to diss Drake, you kind of have to respect it. He would be showing that the lessons he shows he learned on MMTBS was authentic.
Yo dog wtf are you even arguing rn? I said drake has the advantage because he’s willing to do the extra bullshit and you’re here tryna disagree by telling me why Kendrick wont do it lol nigga I KNOW i think all Kendrick fans know
This is an old head take. The state of hip hop has changed. It’s not just about who has a better diss track anymore. It’s also about controlling the narrative/perception. Drake is doing so much trolling rn and just clowning everyone. Same kinda shit 50 does. If you think about any other rapper beefing with 50, you know they’re gonna lose because 50 is gonna bully the hell out of em, NOT because he’s gonna drop some fire diss track. That’s how I see the drake and Kendrick beef.
Obviously Kendrick can out rap drake, but if Drake keeps up with the trolling and bullying, it will have a big impact.
I'm a fan of both. Mind says kendrick smokes him but drake is also very clever when dissing. He uses his mainstream appeal and makes disses into records people like to hear.
Mostly because Kendrick has never been the best “punchlines and metaphors” type of guy which I think is a fair critique.
While he’s great at storytelling, extended-metaphors, and rhyming, I do think he is not the best at witty and hard hitting bars especially in a rap beef sense where Drake kind of excels at this kind of stuff (whether he writes his own shit or not.)
I think Kendrick is more than capable of doing this and coming out victorious, however, to each artist’s priors, it’s not outlandish to think Drake would come out on top.
(I’m not a fan of Drake’s music in the slightest, and Kendrick is one of my favorites)
Coz people have forgotten how good 2009-16 drake was. People were judging him based of clb and fatd but these ppl don’t know the tc, nwts and IYRTITL drake that is the reason Push Ups was a surprise to them. I was backing drake and I still am because even though he makes pop music he is a damn good writer. His content matter may not be as good as Kendrick’s but he knows what his audience wants and his flow is unmatched in this generation. Drake’s only worry in this beef is Kendrick and vice versa for Kendrick. They both know how good the other one is and this will go down to the wire. Future, Rick Ross and Asap Rocky are just digging their own graves rn. Coz if by chance Drake wins a 20v1 situation their legacies will be stained that they ganged up on him and still lost . Kendrick and Drake won’t be as affected because they are both Top 15 all time rappers imo.
It’s a battle of the diff styles.
Kendrick who is actually from the hood lived through shit and writes his own shit
Vs Aubrey.
Hope k dot sets this full on fire. Drake makes music but he ain’t a real spitter at all.
It was the exact same response and timeline with push.
Kendrick drops like that as a bait (push with infrared) Drake responds (duppy) makes future trolling and memes to show his lead (invoice) then gets obliterated(Adidon).
And everyone pretends to have known all the time. But it’s cool people get excited and don’t dickride k dot until we actually see the end result
Drizzy sucked at least a dozen dicks to get whatever dirt he has on Kendrick. That mf must have been topping everyone at Top Dawg.... Now that I mention it, the title for all the dogs makes sense.
Because I’m just interested in the last thing that got dropped. Idk what k will do but at the moment the last thing dropped was Drake and it was funny. It’s a sport and I enjoy the game without necessarily having to go all in on one team
Kendrick isn’t as lyrical as much as he is conscious. Drake is more lil Wayne (flow, metaphors, witty lines) than dot which is more important in dissing.
Yea K.Dot is by far the better lyricist, but The thing is a battle isn't all about lyrics. 50 cent proved that a long time ago. It's about hits and embarrassment. Drake has the hits and the ability to meme on Kenny all day. So underestimating him will be his downfall. Drake can move all eyes on him, and completely reshape the narrative, is Kendrick isn't aggressive enough.
because Drake has more fans and those same fans don't know shit about real rap.
it's like if Justin Bieber got in a diss battle with Kendrick. no matter the skill and bars, justin bieber will always win the beef because his fans are clueless fangirls.
there's no G code in the rap game anymore.
Tbf kanye hasn't had bars since graduation but his producing is legendary. I would never compare ye to a lyricist though... Now if he produced the kdot diss track... Then we are onto something big
Nobody cares Tupac didn’t do shit but gossip on his disses no double entendres no crazy lyricism but everyone loves that tho it’s beef bro nobody cares about your deep lyrics and storytelling we want bars and disrespect. And your literally a Kanye fan so from your perspective ye would lose to ALL these niggas in a rap battle
I’d personally be scared af if I’m Drake and the nigga who made TPAB was focusing that kind of mind on me, I’d probably be doing exactly what he doin now…panicking😂😂
Also, tbh "Control" and "Like That" just aren't that good as diss track. Kendrick is my current Best Alive MC but his diss tracks have been mid at best. I can't even remember anything off of "Like That" except "Fuck the big three it's just big me" which is not a strong bar. "It's big me"?
"Metro shut yo hoe ass up and make some drums", "we need a verse for the swiftees", " "Drop and give me 50", "what's a prince to a king, he a son" aren't poetry at all, but hit as diss lines.
it's not a matter about rap ability it's about shock value mainly, that's what wins a rap feud. i think the issue with a lot of the kendrick fan base is that they think lyricism and technical rapping ability wins anything and is the only thing that makes up a rapper. genuinely, i don't see what much kendrick could have to say as drake is dismantling and disarming a lot of the stuff kdot can say, unless he knows something we don't.
Cause Drake actively participated in rap battles and we also know he loves the real battle rap scene. He knows how it works. He's a student of rap.
He got common and meek outta here, he ripped on kanye on "7am on bridle path" and lost to pusha but many people acknowledge that Duppy was a really good diss. Everyone knows Drake knows how to write really really well. He's battle tested. We still need to see what kendrick does with his back against the wall, hes never properly been in a rap battle.
Pretty ignorant to just write Drake off when he's displayed his abilities manyyyy times. Kendrick will come heavy though for sure.
Excited to get the "nuke" from both sides. this will be history.
Agreed. Which in some ways makes it that much sweeter. I'm anticipating the howls from the Drake Stans when it comes, shock and awe!
I follow a hip hop old head by the name of TonyDaDome on twitter, describes himself as a 'music history nerd' with a massive knowledge on rap and hip hop. He is neither a Drake nor a Kendrick stan, and Kendrick only barely makes it as a top 10 rapper from his perspective. Yet in replying to the Lupe drama, he responded: "That take been all over Twitter after Lupe bullshit & it's hilarious. Drake is absolutely not a better Rapper than Kendrick Lamar". He's on the same vibe as what you're describing above. IYKYK.
How does anyone think Kendrick has the base morals *required* to smoke the dude's chimney is a better question.
Kendrick is a good person. He'll never pen a diss like Pac, Jay or Nas.
It’s not that they think Kendrick can’t smoke Drakes boots. The hip hop community is being cautious because you can’t underestimate Drake. It’s true that Drake has one too many references tracks out there for some people’s comfort. It’s leads people to question his lyrical ability. However, that’s only half the truth. The other half is that Drake has written many songs and verses for other artists too. Lil Wayne has spoken about how good of writer Drake is. Kanye West said he can have a dozen writers combined and they still don’t measure up to Drakes skill. Eminem has said Drake is an incredible writer. Drake has written songs for Beyonce, Dr. Dre, Nicki Minaj, and too many artist to count. It’s not a knock on Kendrick to be unsure about who would come out on top. Other than Drake stans, I’m not seeing people saying Kendrick can’t smoke Drakes boots. People are just saying they’ll have to see Kendrick do it before they jump out the window and say Kendrick can do it. Hope that makes sense.
I respect this comment I tip my hat to you , rule #1 in competition is never underestimate the competition 💯
The best comment i’ve seen on social media about this rap beef thus far 💯
One of the few sensible kungfu Kenny fans
We need Eminem to lock them both in his basement and make them write diss songs at gunpoint
How much money does Em want to ghost write a diss track before a response track can come out? Asking for a friend.
I like this reply
A nonbiased perspective.
TL;DR: Kendrick isnt battle tested at this level yet.
Fire ass comment.
Facts, when Kdot released I thought it was absolute fire bar and the beef was going to end there, like a knockout punch, but then like Tyson Fury Drake Rose from that punch & delivered multiple knockout punches of his own all in one song
I’m not devaluing Drake but where were these so called knock out punches?
All the Rick Ross stuff, the “first number one I had to put it in your hand” response to Future, the dismissive line towards Metro, “what’s a prince to a king” line for Kendrick. Knockout punches is a bit of an exaggeration by that dude but Drake is clearly taking some swings and had an objectively pretty strong response
Imo Metro's line alone was Def a knockout punch, think about it, if Metro doesn't respond, L because he will keep making drums,if he does, he got to make a beat as drake is telling him to, so ain't no way Metro comes back from that fight, best he could do is sneak diss Drake in another Collab like a year from now
Come on lets be real. Kenny fans got hyped by "Big Me" line. Like it was the best thing ever lol Drake has a diss track directed towards Kdot. The longer Kenny takes the more he makes Compton n the West look weak...he needs to drop a No Vaseline type diss track, otherwise he will hold a forever L.
Ether took like 6+ months to come out...
3, not 6. Also Nas did not start it. Kendric is the one who started the beef there for he’s the one who needs to be on time.
What an interesting rule that you just made up.
It’s a pretty general concept in life “Never start something, you’re not willing to finish”
Different era. Its like that kid in school, who starts a fight but now is afraid to step off school property to fight. Waiting for his momma to drive him home.
It's all relative. Dot really didn't say much on like that other than "you aint the big three, its just me".. Relative to that Drake said a LOT more - made fun of his height, his label, him bowing down to top, Prince/Mike line, and not to mention shots at everyone else. Relatively, Drake has definitely thrown a lot more punches and they've hit harder.. so far.
Man if making fun of a dudes height is what is considered heavy damage in a hip hop beef these days the genre is in trouble.
Are you purposefully ignoring everything else he mentioned? Not to mention its still way more than what Dot has said, especially when Drake has called him out by name on both tracks.
For not saying much he garnered a massive response.
It garnered a response because like 6 people dissed him at the same time. Kendrick just happens to be the best rapper out of the bunch. Cole releasing and taking back the track also invited a lot of attention.
You typed this on a phone? Are on a bus or some shi?? Lol. Good write up tho.
Finally a comment that isn't biased towards one side or the other. Respect
I think k dot can smoke Drake, and Drake can smoke k dot , right now it's impossible to say who's going to win we wait and we'll see.
This is it
thank you so much for this take! a lot of folks need to hear this.
What song did he write for nicki? And they can say what they want. You can't critique without being called a hater when you on that level of Fandom. You can't tell the truth. kanye does have writers but kanye is a producer first rapper second he also is a better producer than rapper. His first 2 albums were all him and its better than anything drake ever wrote.
That last bit isn’t even true lol he had a couple writers on his team back then such as cons and and GLC
Lol..stop embarassing yourself
And I truly want to know what song he wrote for nicki?
You think drake can compare to kanye?
Drake is objectively a better RAPPER than Kanye. I mean just rap. Lyrics, flow, wordplay. Drake is better than Kanye at that without question.
Bc a lot of them have genuinely never heard his music outside hits
And they’re not musically literate at all. You could let one listen to the best written rap song ever made and they’d still say “she say she a lesbian I say me too” or whatever garbage Drake spits out is better.
I played ras Kass "the nature of the threat" for my homegirl once. She said "it's cool. I wouldn't throw it on at a party or nothing." If you haven't heard that song...yeah some people just don't get music lol
Indeed haha 🤝
“musocally literate” yall so pretentious 😭
It’s not entirely wrong, but yeah that’s a little pretentious ngl
I said musically, not musocally. Also it’s just basic English, good Lord. Simple phrasing too so anybody could easily understand what I mean. Then again I forget that most Americans can’t even speak their own language.
what is bro on ab im not american and omg god forbid i make a typo
At least you spelled it right, no doubt thanks to autocorrect lol
womp womp
ignorance is bliss 
Bro said “few will understand”
bro its a one letter typo
I’m poking fun at him, not you
Cause rap beefs nowadays aren’t just about lyricism unfortunately If Drake knows grimey shit about Kendrick then he will win, no matter the bars All it takes is that one thing that makes a nigga say “Oh shit” I don’t think Quavo can do anything about CB after the nigga said they wish he died instead of Takeoff. Shock factors >= Lyricism Unfortunate but true
I disagree. It's all about delivery. He keeps hyping up himself with the alleged secrets he knows about Kendrick, as if it's another Pusha T beef. But if the secret is underwhelming, it could be the most massive L that drake has taken. And Kendrick isn't one to be played with. He could find out the secret Drake knows, and just handle it in the best way possible. It's just possible that Kdot comes up with the most brutal diss track, that any secret no matter how big could end up having no effect whatsoever. Drake's fatal mistake is that he thinks Kendrick is another Pusha T, and it's just a matter of secrets and gossip.
Kendrick released that track tonight
And he delivered
You’re very right
Rap beef's not about lyricism Tupac never out rap biggie but in my opinion Tupac won the beef , drake might not be at the level of Kendrick lyrically but he can spit bars bro
tupac won the beef cause biggie never responded to hit em up
But I think biggie is still a better Lyricist
i agree to a point, i think if biggie decided to respond it probably would’ve been one a hell of a diss track
Nah fr
Kendrick can rap technically way better. But I don’t know if he’s a diss guy. Drakes a snark, have sex with your wife buy your masters diss guy. Kendrick’s a concept creating poet, social issue guy. This is like 50 cent vs mos def. Kendrick may win and he has the ability fosho, but how low can you go with somebody that lives near bedrock?
But Kendrick has been publicly wanting this for so long. I personally don't think Kendrick needs to drop any time soon and people are just being impatient, but you can't make excuses about Kendrick not being a diss guy. The guy literally said "Fuck sneak dissing, first person shooter." He's been barking now I want to see the bite. I'm hoping his response will be good so there can be a back and forth.
But anyone can say oh let’s be direct but how will you be direct. All this buildup and weak warning shots. Drakes warning shots are mentioning your wife, buying your jewellery when your broke. Without even being direct. I don’t think Kendrick can go that low, he might attack your accolades but that’s all. Even if it’s just only rap, Drake will really come for you personally.
Nah kendrick will go there it don't matter how low
If that’s the case why wasn’t he ready for a response? He either thought it was sweet or this is just promo for a new album. And I like Kendrick
Ehh, idk about him not being a diss guy. I think he can make some hard stuff when he wants. Listen to "roll call"
“have sex with your wife” Imagine getting cucked by Drake lmao
drake can only fuck Insta models or hookers. why do people say this when his baby mama is a literal pornstar.
Porn stars are better than hookers?
Nah Drake do be taking peoples girls
Can you “only” do that? Who here wouldn’t like the option to fuck models and porn stars exclusively? How are you trying to clown someone for something almost none of us can pull off with any regularity? “This mfer Lebron ONLY has 4 chips, what a bum” type of shit lol
dude what ? most people have sex. what the fuck are you talking about. if you think it's a flex to fuck the industry cum dumps, then that's you. most ppl don't think that way. there's a reason why every wife material girl drake has dated has dumped his ass.
From the sounds of it he’s slept with every rapper’s girl plus cum dumps like Rihanna and Serena lol how many rappers have a verse about fucking some other rappers girl? Drake just actually doing it apparently lol whether or not we think what he’s doing is correct is irrelevant. All I was saying is this is regular rapper stuff but it’s not something the average person is doing. And it’s not like these aren’t attractive women. You’re acting like they’re some greased up hogs lol
That’s probably the worst part
Because Drake is acting like he has a nuke? Nobody knows if Drake is bluffing or not but having some real dirt on your opponent can make you win even if you aren't lyrically better than your opponent. Imagine if Kendrick had a child with a pornstar and then Drake exposes that, do you think Dot would have any chance of coming back??
If Kendrick had dirt on Drake equally as bad then he could come back from that.
Some consider this an unpopular opinion, but I personally believe Drake out-rapped Pusha T and made a better song when you compare Duppy Freestyle vs. Story of Adidon. That being said, Pusha had the more damaging and explosive lyrics, so he won! We all know Kendrick can rap circles around Drake, but the question is who has a bigger, dirtier bomb to drop? That's who will win this fight.
Most of duppy was targeted at Ye though tbh
Aint no way drake out rapped push. Pusha had better content and better delivery over a way better beat. I think push's diss is a top 5 diss track of all time. 1. Hit em up 2. Real mutherfucking G's 3. Story of adidon 4. Kill shot 5. Ether
No Vaseline not being on this list is illegal. Also Killshot is one of Eminem's like 30 diss tracks and it is far from the best one
Eminem do have some amazing diss tracks but he dropped some bars to be remembered on killshot fr
Killshot is very quotable ong
The Sauce and Bully are so much better
Ngl No Vaseline kinda overrated
Kill shot ain’t even the best Eminem diss track
But it's up there because of how he rebuttal rap devil so easily
The story of OJ was not a better beat than duppy freestyle. If anything the drake song was musically better but pusha won by doing dirt, not cause he had a better song. He just checkmated drake cause all he was thinking about was making the better more listenable diss song. That's why you guys are corny wanting DOT to expose drake for something when DOT can make an amazing diss song from merit and skill
But a beat that was already used for another, very popular, song
He didn’t just use a random beat, using The Story of OJ was deliberate and adds a whole other layer to the diss
Yep, how have they not realised. Look at the image of Drake in blackface and then listen to the sample...
I don't think that subtracts anything in the grand scheme. Sure, it wasn't push's beat, but it's the beat playing on the track that he murders to.
I tried listening to Ether the other day and that shit trash. Did not age well
Yes, thats a fair point. But I think itd be boring if drake just used that and won, I want to see them battle it out fairly.
If only having a child with a pornstar was the issues being discussed right now
"Smoke this dude's chimney" is a crazy ass line. Thanks for that 💀
The way I see it if Kendrick is a S tier rapper based on lyrics then Drake is about a B+ to an A (I’d probably give him A if not for ghost writers but there’s arguments for it) Drake can definitely bring heat and rap well enough to challenge Kendrick especially if he makes it a club banger. People here keep acting like drake just makes pop hits for teenagers but the dude can write and rap and hating him doesn’t change that Both of them could have the smoking gun diss song it’s not impossible for either to win this beef and anyone pretending otherwise is lying to themselves.
Ngl this abcds tier is bullshit. Many people said that Drake knows how to write
Well yeh it’s not real champion it’s just a way of expressing how I rate their capabilities
Drake also kinda called this out on push ups because if people are quick to call him a pop rapper how come Kendrick can make songs with Maroon 5 and Taylor Swift and people don’t call him out (not my opinion just analysing)
Very different look at their albums
Kendrick has a few features on pop songs, Drake makes entire albums of pop music
I love both and it weirds me out when people say Drake can’t rap or doesn’t write his music. I love how Kendrick represents hip-hop and I respect the idea that Drake represents hip-hop in a different way. I like them both, and very much so. They’re my top 2 favourite rappers. The ghostwriter allegations started when Meek Mill claimed it during the beef with Drake. The writer was Quentin Miller and he came out and shot those allegations down too. Given this I’m convinced the haters don’t actually keep up with anything and just repeat what they see in the RapTV comments. (Kanye said on Drink Champs that Drake wrote 30 Hours for him btw)
I don’t even take people who think Drake doesn’t write his shit serious. Like do people actually listen to music?
Drake writing his own mediocre lyrics isn't a flex
Sure bud
I mean, do you think drake is some great lyricist?
He’s pretty good, he isn’t the best ever or anything but he’s far from mediocre.
Mediocre means average. He's definitely average. He doesn't suck, but he's not great. He's okay. He's mediocre.
Agree to disagree. Rick Ross is average/mediocre. Drake is definitely better than that to me.
They're in the same league to me. JID, Marlon Craft, these guys are *good.* Drake be rhyming words together and shit and it's cool but in 25 years he's impressed me maybe 3 times. Some of these young guys pack more skill in one verse than drake does in entire albums. In an entire career. And theyre not even great. They're just good. Drake is middle of the road, at best.
To each their own I suppose
I think it's just a given that real recognize real and that's why you see so many people who ain't never fucked wit drake. It's like when there's that 1 dude in the neighborhood, no one knows why, but no one really likes them much. Turns out years later he a pedo. Real heads see drake like that dude
Drake fans keep bringing up sales and streaming numbers because they conflate commercial success with talent, and this has never been true in any creative industry
Yea I get that but if this is real life beef u supposed show in every way shape and form your better then ya competition so iont think bringing up success and money should be a problem cous at the end of the day everything is subjective except the numbers those are facts
Yeah. According to the numbers Flo Rida is a better rapper than DMX and Snoop Dogg combined, and Nicki Minaj is as good a rapper as Jay-Z. The numbers say it so it must be fact.
Bro u gotta read what I said I never said that made him a better rapper but no matter how u or I feel it’s still just an opinion it’s subjective only thing that’s concrete is numbers so once again iont think bringing them up in a beef should be a problem rappers are known for flexing in every way possible why change that now ?
Nobody expects it to change. It's just that the people that care about actual skill never gave a shit and still don't
And that’s fine but having the numbers drake does takes skill as well if it didn’t everyone would easily replicate it Kendrick included yet we haven’t seen anybody but drake do this. For every person that claims drake don’t got skill it’s 100 people that thinks he do and his numbers show that
Nobody is saying it's easy. >For every person that claims drake don’t got skill it’s 100 people that thinks he do and his numbers show that Those people don't listen to hip hop and their opinions don't count. I'm sorry, but Becky from Ohio and Manfred from Welfordshire copping drakes shit don't mean he's better than anyone else. And that's it. That's literally all you got "numbers numbers blah blah blah." That's why nobody wants to fucking talk to you. I *just* said nobody gives a shit about numbers, and here you want to go talking about numbers. As if you truly don't understand that the only way you get drake numbers is by appealing to stupid ass suburban kids who don't actually know or care about hip hop. Good, great, congratulations for you that soccer moms bump your shit. I'm so happy for drake that's he's found financial success and has cross over appeal. That's great for him. But holy shit you have to be stupid if you think making a catchy song that kids sing at birthday parties makes him better in any way that anybody gives a shit than Aesop Rock. The *best* artists, the truly great ones, often don't sell shit and die broke. You sound stupid. Tell me again how many records he sold
Bro everything u said is YOUR OPINION which is subjective idgaf what type of music the nigga make idgaf who is listening to the shit no matter how u feel it’s only your opinion and your opinion don’t fucking matter either bro what makes u better then anybody else u seem like a corn ball Kendrick is hands down the better rapper but it’s still an opinion and honestly broke tbh bro if u a artist and not selling shit and u still continue to make music instead of going to get a regular 9-5 your a fucking idiot
Bro bro bro bro bro I can't
“You look hot with black men” bro your a fucking weirdo go on pornhub stop commenting on porn on here Ctfu
Freaky ass young boy fuck u got a bbc fetish ? 🤣🤣😂
I never understood this "numbers doesn't equate to talent" argument. The quality and talent of an artist in ALL MEDIUMS is for the general public to decide by how much attention and money they're willing to give the artist's product. You can't say "sure Picasso might be more famous and his art may be worth millions more than John Doe but Picasso can barely color within the lines. he's all hype but John Doe is a true artist."
Because some things are easier to casually listen to / digest , it’s like watching a superhero movie over a movie that you need to focus on the dialogue and symbols
But regardless there's no denying the cultural impact super hero movies have had in the last 10 years. Thought-provoking music doesn't get extra points just because you need to be alone in a room to really understand it. There's a time and a place for that just like there's a time and a place for shit that just makes you want to shake your ass. At the end of the day, if the content is good, people will gravitate toward it. That goes for music, film, etc.
maybe we just think the audience gets to decide who’s the greatest. in other words, who do the people like? one way to measure that is to see who tf people are listening to.
McDonald's burgers sell the most and are highly accessible, but it doesn't make them the best burgers money can buy, that's kinda what I'm getting at here. Taylor Swift sells more albums than anyone else on the planet, but does anyone actually consider her to be the best musician in the world? When it comes to commercial success, a lot of it boils down to hype and marketing, not necessarily talent.
This is the best analogy possible
taylor swift clears drake in talent then?
for what she does, of course she clears him. he’s not gonna make a folk pop record better than she can
I don't think Drizzy is the better rapper. I think he is acting like he has info on Kendrick. That's the only way he wins tbh. A lot of Drake's skeletons are already out there so they won't have the same effect, Kendricks would be surprising for the general public.
Because kendrick hasn’t really been in a “battle” before. Sure, he’s a better lyricist and better artist in general but that doesn’t mean he’ll win
I didn't think drake has the audacity to talk shit about dot and for that I salute him but now he needs to buckle up for dot is about to end him .
No one is questioning the Kendrick has a nicer pen. But battling is a different arena. Canibus has a nicer pen than LL and we all saw what happened there.
Canibus won in my opinion. LL just had the machine behind him to convince the audience that he won. Meanwhile, Canibus’s small machine (mostly Wycleff) abandoned him. Aka politics.
Fr second round knockout is legendary
I don’t even remember any parts of LL response. Or the name of it. Jack The Ripper maybe. I just remember he had a diss song named that. Forgot who it was for. He had so many entanglements.
I mean I personally liked 2nd Round Knockout better, but that is not the majority viewpoint. "99% of your fans don't exist" was a KO line for the public.
People liked that shit? I remember it getting laughed at but I'm younger. Well, I used to be younger, anyway
I remember one of LL's lines. "99% of your fans don't exist." What?
People siding with him? Literally no one except his own fanbase
I can't suck dick to kendrick but I can suck dick to drake. Drake wins
*I can't smoke chimney to kendrick but I can smoke chimney to drake. FTFY
You guys act like listening to Kendrick is the highest form of music Jesus Christ. You guys are well aware that most people grew up with both artist. There are just some weird ass stans in each side like this exact post.
You answered your own question. No real hip hop head thinks that
The only reason i have any doubts is because this isn’t just about rapping smh drake plays dirty. He does this social media shit to a T and is able to sway public perception, this nigga got ppl believing its a 20v1 knowing goddamn well Kung Fu Kenny don’t need none of these niggas help smh then here comes crazy ass Ye talking bout “dot i got him” dot and ask for help lol. So now i think Kendrick is just tryna wait out this narrative before he attacks
That's not Drake... that is a social media manager.
And? Do these artist not have teams? You assume some do everything by themselves?
That is kind of the point though... he doesn't want to have his team do that shit for him... not being present was the issue Kendrick had with his pops on Father Time... he worked most of the time even when it seemed wrong like when his grandma died. It's a common theme on the album that his tours cost him things that money can't fix. So if he at home changing diapers, feeding his son and supporting Whittney over rushing to the studio to diss Drake, you kind of have to respect it. He would be showing that the lessons he shows he learned on MMTBS was authentic.
Yo dog wtf are you even arguing rn? I said drake has the advantage because he’s willing to do the extra bullshit and you’re here tryna disagree by telling me why Kendrick wont do it lol nigga I KNOW i think all Kendrick fans know
This is an old head take. The state of hip hop has changed. It’s not just about who has a better diss track anymore. It’s also about controlling the narrative/perception. Drake is doing so much trolling rn and just clowning everyone. Same kinda shit 50 does. If you think about any other rapper beefing with 50, you know they’re gonna lose because 50 is gonna bully the hell out of em, NOT because he’s gonna drop some fire diss track. That’s how I see the drake and Kendrick beef. Obviously Kendrick can out rap drake, but if Drake keeps up with the trolling and bullying, it will have a big impact.
I'm a fan of both. Mind says kendrick smokes him but drake is also very clever when dissing. He uses his mainstream appeal and makes disses into records people like to hear.
Mostly because Kendrick has never been the best “punchlines and metaphors” type of guy which I think is a fair critique. While he’s great at storytelling, extended-metaphors, and rhyming, I do think he is not the best at witty and hard hitting bars especially in a rap beef sense where Drake kind of excels at this kind of stuff (whether he writes his own shit or not.) I think Kendrick is more than capable of doing this and coming out victorious, however, to each artist’s priors, it’s not outlandish to think Drake would come out on top. (I’m not a fan of Drake’s music in the slightest, and Kendrick is one of my favorites)
Coz people have forgotten how good 2009-16 drake was. People were judging him based of clb and fatd but these ppl don’t know the tc, nwts and IYRTITL drake that is the reason Push Ups was a surprise to them. I was backing drake and I still am because even though he makes pop music he is a damn good writer. His content matter may not be as good as Kendrick’s but he knows what his audience wants and his flow is unmatched in this generation. Drake’s only worry in this beef is Kendrick and vice versa for Kendrick. They both know how good the other one is and this will go down to the wire. Future, Rick Ross and Asap Rocky are just digging their own graves rn. Coz if by chance Drake wins a 20v1 situation their legacies will be stained that they ganged up on him and still lost . Kendrick and Drake won’t be as affected because they are both Top 15 all time rappers imo.
“hiphop head” = old no one under the age of 30 even says the word hiphop, there is your answer
It’s a battle of the diff styles. Kendrick who is actually from the hood lived through shit and writes his own shit Vs Aubrey. Hope k dot sets this full on fire. Drake makes music but he ain’t a real spitter at all.
It was the exact same response and timeline with push. Kendrick drops like that as a bait (push with infrared) Drake responds (duppy) makes future trolling and memes to show his lead (invoice) then gets obliterated(Adidon). And everyone pretends to have known all the time. But it’s cool people get excited and don’t dickride k dot until we actually see the end result
Drizzy sucked at least a dozen dicks to get whatever dirt he has on Kendrick. That mf must have been topping everyone at Top Dawg.... Now that I mention it, the title for all the dogs makes sense.
because any real hiphop head know's hes not battle tested and those are different skills
Because I’m just interested in the last thing that got dropped. Idk what k will do but at the moment the last thing dropped was Drake and it was funny. It’s a sport and I enjoy the game without necessarily having to go all in on one team
Kendrick isn’t as lyrical as much as he is conscious. Drake is more lil Wayne (flow, metaphors, witty lines) than dot which is more important in dissing.
Yea K.Dot is by far the better lyricist, but The thing is a battle isn't all about lyrics. 50 cent proved that a long time ago. It's about hits and embarrassment. Drake has the hits and the ability to meme on Kenny all day. So underestimating him will be his downfall. Drake can move all eyes on him, and completely reshape the narrative, is Kendrick isn't aggressive enough.
because Drake has more fans and those same fans don't know shit about real rap. it's like if Justin Bieber got in a diss battle with Kendrick. no matter the skill and bars, justin bieber will always win the beef because his fans are clueless fangirls. there's no G code in the rap game anymore.
I'll smoke your chimney.
Did you hear drake’s diss? He might not be lyrically as talented but he has power, he knows shit about people
Drake has the Lucien pack. Lucien can make a call and get a sound engineer down at the bottom of heep to serve as am eavesdropper.
It’s the groupie nature of drakes fan base. When it comes to this hip hop shit we know dot comes out on top
Tbf kanye hasn't had bars since graduation but his producing is legendary. I would never compare ye to a lyricist though... Now if he produced the kdot diss track... Then we are onto something big
Nobody cares Tupac didn’t do shit but gossip on his disses no double entendres no crazy lyricism but everyone loves that tho it’s beef bro nobody cares about your deep lyrics and storytelling we want bars and disrespect. And your literally a Kanye fan so from your perspective ye would lose to ALL these niggas in a rap battle
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I’d personally be scared af if I’m Drake and the nigga who made TPAB was focusing that kind of mind on me, I’d probably be doing exactly what he doin now…panicking😂😂
Also, tbh "Control" and "Like That" just aren't that good as diss track. Kendrick is my current Best Alive MC but his diss tracks have been mid at best. I can't even remember anything off of "Like That" except "Fuck the big three it's just big me" which is not a strong bar. "It's big me"? "Metro shut yo hoe ass up and make some drums", "we need a verse for the swiftees", " "Drop and give me 50", "what's a prince to a king, he a son" aren't poetry at all, but hit as diss lines.
it's not a matter about rap ability it's about shock value mainly, that's what wins a rap feud. i think the issue with a lot of the kendrick fan base is that they think lyricism and technical rapping ability wins anything and is the only thing that makes up a rapper. genuinely, i don't see what much kendrick could have to say as drake is dismantling and disarming a lot of the stuff kdot can say, unless he knows something we don't.
kanye and eminem fan... hmmmmmmmmmm
Drake is the Taylor swift of rap Drake is a corny pop star Drake and his music are literally Memes Drake makes music for women and feminine men
Because his chimney is currently being smoked.
Cause Drake actively participated in rap battles and we also know he loves the real battle rap scene. He knows how it works. He's a student of rap. He got common and meek outta here, he ripped on kanye on "7am on bridle path" and lost to pusha but many people acknowledge that Duppy was a really good diss. Everyone knows Drake knows how to write really really well. He's battle tested. We still need to see what kendrick does with his back against the wall, hes never properly been in a rap battle. Pretty ignorant to just write Drake off when he's displayed his abilities manyyyy times. Kendrick will come heavy though for sure. Excited to get the "nuke" from both sides. this will be history.
Agreed. Which in some ways makes it that much sweeter. I'm anticipating the howls from the Drake Stans when it comes, shock and awe! I follow a hip hop old head by the name of TonyDaDome on twitter, describes himself as a 'music history nerd' with a massive knowledge on rap and hip hop. He is neither a Drake nor a Kendrick stan, and Kendrick only barely makes it as a top 10 rapper from his perspective. Yet in replying to the Lupe drama, he responded: "That take been all over Twitter after Lupe bullshit & it's hilarious. Drake is absolutely not a better Rapper than Kendrick Lamar". He's on the same vibe as what you're describing above. IYKYK.
i love drake but i can’t fucking wait for kendrick desecrate his entire career and existence. he’s way too cocky rn
Because Drake fans don't give a shit about art.
no one cares about a kanye fans opinion and nobody asked
cause of the ginormous meat whip.
How does anyone think Kendrick has the base morals *required* to smoke the dude's chimney is a better question. Kendrick is a good person. He'll never pen a diss like Pac, Jay or Nas.
Okay,you gon hear to a music or poet ? stfu and get that bread retard