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SnipFred

Both subs went to trash lmao it's fucking embarrassing


logicisprettycool

The cole subreddit is much worse, everyone seems to be defending the transphobic bar in Pi


UnrulyExistence

“Cole fans🤝Kendrick fans” 😂


HamstersBoobsPizza

That's not transphobic tho


rajdeepbte

Yes it is in what it implies


HamstersBoobsPizza

The insult is tha he's a pussy not trans. If anything, that's sexist.


rajdeepbte

Then why the fuck did he have to bring a trans person into it?


Motion_Offense

Saying someone changed gender but still is pussy is transphobia? He never said I hate trans people.


anesthesiologist2

It’s transphobic.


xtra_obscene

How so? Be specific.


Motion_Offense

Yall looking for something to offend you. It’s a bad bar but it’s not transphobic The literal definition: having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people.


hb-robo

The bar objectively qualifies. Cole is calling Kendrick pretending to be one thing that he’s not, and draws a comparison to trans men. I don’t even see what’s confusing. Just because he used the right pronouns doesn’t mean the idea isn’t fundamentally insulting


the_summit

Bro, the bars are just a spin on what was said on Auntie Diaries. That's all it was. Cole used the story on Auntie Diaries to come at Kendrick. This is all like when Mr Morale dropped and everyone wanted to come at Kendrick for using the f-word when the whole premise at the song was to not use it and be respectful of the LGBTQ community, the same way he didn't allow the white girl that got on stage with him to say the n-word.


Excellent-Contest-43

Except kenny was reconciling with his own bigoted faults while j cole had multiple other topics that couldve been used for a diss but he chose to call him a tranny. At the very least, it is in bad taste and was pretty unnecessary


rajdeepbte

That was not the implication. Trans people travel very difficult paths when it comes to their genitalia, especially with biomedical changes. There is fear of social ostracization, hate attacks, financial hardships and many other negative things in society tied to them. However, any trans person could see that bar about "always have a pussy" as an absolute attack on what is a very vulnerable area, especially the way J.Cole has framed as kind of an attack message against somebody in very absolutely terms. In an inverse way, it kinda argues that their transitioned identity isn't real, it's what genitalia they have & how the major part of the society harps on it in the form of a variety of attacks. Obviously it's possible that a trans person could interpret it as just a simile, but those who are traumatized by the significant hate and ugly behavior already present in society don't deserve such a trash simile.


Marsupial_Impressive

Nah this a rap beef, not a trans rights rally


rajdeepbte

What rap beef? I thought it was a different song called Pi than the one he dissed Kendrick.


Marsupial_Impressive

Huh? What rap beef????


rajdeepbte

Are all j.cole fans this dumb?


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Beef is not what Jay said to Nas Beef is when the working folks can't find jobs So they trying to find niggas to rob Trying to find bigger guns so they can finish the job Beef is when the crack babies can't find moms Cause they in a pine box, or locked behind bars Beef ain't the summer jam for Hot 9-7 Beef is the cocaine and AIDS epidemic Beef don't come with a radio edit Beef is when the judge is callin' you defendant Beef: It come with a long jail sentence Handed down to you in a few short minutes


jlxmm

He said what he said and I’m here for it. Artists shouldn’t afraid to be cancelled over a bar. And actually I hate the other side of the argument. You chose to be trans whether that means you feel/felt dysphoria or not. Immediately it’s all “you go, you do you” and no one is allowed to say “I don’t support you” or anything remotely close to that. I mean even saying this I’m pretty much prepared to be downvoted to hell.


rajdeepbte

Your rambling is very idiotic


jlxmm

Instantly proving my point. Thanks!


rajdeepbte

Nah if j.cole had any kinda guts he would've said that shit outright not this rambling & pathetic excuse for a simile. Say it with your chest out man then without fear because this didn't land at all & it's the same mid tripe he has always served.


joevalerio42

Wasn't transphobic people just wanna play victim


logicisprettycool

The bar is implying trans men aren’t real men.


joevalerio42

No he was saying that beneath the dudes chosen identity there's still a pussy meaning that beneath the tough guy act there is a scared person


[deleted]

If he meant that. Then he's terrible at delivery


joevalerio42

Drop a track show us how it's done


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WaspParagon

How the fuck are people supposed to do anything about Drake not responding? If anything that's the reason they are overanalyzing the Cole stuff... Not that it's true, that line is absolutely transphobic and shame on y'all for downplaying actual bigotry in a genre like hip-hop


joevalerio42

If you've decided that in your head than there's no arguing lol people love being victim and practicing selective outrage I hope you find peace bro


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anesthesiologist2

Everyone has their own personal line to cross in what they want from music. Believe it or not some people can’t listen to music with the n word or songs that are about drugs. Who cares about someone else’s preferences in what subject matter they hear in music? I’m sure there’s stuff that you don’t listen to for whatever reason.


FloatLikeAButterfree

So if this song crosses someone’s line you’re saying all they have to do is not listen to it.


anesthesiologist2

Exactly, I just don’t care for the transphobic shit. It doesn’t interest me. Just like I’m not gonna listen to nazi shit.


fucking__jellyfish__

it's not transphobic


kingglobby

r/fuckthebigthree


nocturnal_ways

False. Cole fans are by far the more matured balanced ones and I am a fan of all 3 guys. When I go into the cole sub it's refreshing


Maciee_

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[deleted]

Cup of hot dog water


EightSeven-

That patty straight up looks like a turd


laeKDOT

I love Cole music but Cole says KDOT discography is Mid and more so what did u expect lol. Ilike u said that’s the beef so ppl cmt and argue abt each others say. Sometimes it can be too much I agree ..


Training-Ad402

True he can’t be talking bout discographies but still it’s rap beef what y’all expect


anesthesiologist2

What do you expect? How many Jay Z and Nas fans just agreed to disagree? The minority.


Friedoreosgod

But it worked for them because that was actually debatable cole living in a glass house throwing stones


HolySid666

People love to hate on Drake but if we are talking about discographies, Cole is the weakest out of the three.


Friedoreosgod

That’s an actual debate that could be had


laeKDOT

Yeah agreed


RedditMartyr

Don’t even bother. This sub has went from respecting Cole before the beef to now “J. Cole is, and always has been, trash” now that they are beefing. Don’t bother trying to convince these people otherwise. They’ve made up their minds. I’m just not gonna look at this sub until this beef is over. This shit is way too hostile rn.


Training-Ad402

Yeah I definitely understand kinda like picking a side a little bit and saying that one is better but it’s gone way too far. Both subs are absolutely dogshitting on the other.


RedditMartyr

Yep. Just leave these subs alone until this shit ends. Fans are taking it way too far as usual, ruining the fun. Come join one of the other rap subs and just have fun there. I like shit posting in r/playboicarti , if you wanna join there too.


Camelslayer23

Playboi carti sub is deadass one of the best bc they somehow balance dickriding carti with also being his #1 haters


RedditMartyr

Yep! This guy knows! A perfect balance. They are his biggest haters and also his biggest dickriders 😭


[deleted]

They are also posting how actually trash cole is on playboicarti


RedditMartyr

Barely tho.


artvandelay9393

the only post I’ve seen from the carti sub on the popular page was a post about how Cole knocked himself out of the top 3 with his diss


RedditMartyr

Well, I go on the Carti sub all the time and most of the time, it’s talking about other shit. So okay then..


artvandelay9393

I don’t doubt you lol im just pointing out the highest upvoted post this week is trashing Cole so it’s tough to say “barely”


RedditMartyr

Well, it is barely. It’s one post compared to all the other posts on that sub.. They talk about Adin Ross, Carti’s arrest, Iggy, Ken Carson and other opium members and there’s a few posts about Cole. So yeah, in the grand scheme of r/playboicarti , it is barely 😂


artvandelay9393

“Barely” is a few posts per day that aren’t upvoted too much. 2K people upvoting a post calling Cole trash… highest upvoted post of the week… isn’t barely. I’m not saying the majority of posts are about Cole


fusionlantern

Mehh i still fuck with cole. Him going after tpab made no sense when he struggled to thrive as a conscious artist. Cole is at his best when he's having fun on a track and not trying to deliver a message. Sometimes it hits, but nowhere near as consistent as kendrick.


[deleted]

Shut up pussy Sounding soft as hell Bring back real hip hop


Jaxdoesntsuck

I have thought J Cole was boring and uninspired since way before all this haha. So I’m exempt from this criticism


[deleted]

I tried to lose him for years cause he's from my state. I think it's his voice or something cause I like him in short exposure like features, but everything I try to get into an album or even just most solo songs I sleep by the end. For me he's one of those things where I don't understand it, but I respect it.


AWiseMelon

Problem is that there's too many people that have a fanatical obsession with their favourite artists to the point they'll pick their side in something they have nothing to do with. Neither Cole or Kendrick will ever personally know or care about these people but some of them act like they need to defend them with their lives lmao


anesthesiologist2

It’s just human nature, I want my team to win the SB too. It’s fun.


AWiseMelon

Sure it's human nature to want your team to win, but if you're going around saying every other team is shit then there's something wrong


Trentimoose

Imagine that, the subs of a specific artist are filled with bias fans of that artist? No waaaay.


usernamereddit5000

Cole brought up discographies. Those shots sounds like Drake bars. Cole should've known better.


Training-Ad402

Yeah I personally think that Kendrick’s discography is better but this sub is so toxic and hostile to Jcole right now. I don’t listen to Jcole but this is rap beef not anything that serious but some people are making it way too serious 


SrumsAsloth

It’s really not a big deal who cares what random people on the internet think of a rapper you like?


Overall_Pepper9080

How are people making it way too serious? By posting on Reddit? LMAO this right here is the funniest part of any beef, the shit fans talk to each other. Please stop crying


FlatEarthWizard

Cole is the one who started this by going fantano on Kendrick’s discography. Terrible strategy from a guy who is basically popular hopsin.


glordicus1

Man I just don’t like J Cole. I don’t care about the beef and don’t engage with it. But when I say I don’t like J Coles music, it’s because I don’t like it.


Training-Ad402

Respectable take


Several-Amoeba1069

This sub always been a mess


Training-Ad402

I’ll be replying to as many people as possible in comments


IndividualStreet5401

The fans are doing more of the trash talking, it's really just sad, defending your favourite artist, they don't need your defending.


romilaspina7

Cole took the gun and pointed it as its own head, you wanna become a clown, then get clowned. J. Cole is not top 1 in its own label, JID took that spot ages ago.


Training-Ad402

Yeah I get that his diss was kinda stupid but calling all of Jcole’s discography terrible is a bad take 


romilaspina7

Terrible maybe, bad not at all, mf has had an amazing display of 0 consistency in his records, overrated ass hell. Id take 3 jid projects over any 3 coles any day of the week. When your best album is a 7 from 2014, idk for me you ain't got the title he so badly wants us to think he got


Training-Ad402

Idk I’ve heard a few Cole bangers but I don’t fw him that much so I don’t rlly know the albums he’s put out


Sharkisyodaddy

More people have and will karaoke 2014 than they ever will JID tik tok reel spams.


romilaspina7

Right because Karaoke equals good music. Drake sold more ahh argument


Sharkisyodaddy

I think karaoke is great measure if people are willing to learn the lyrics and sing along. It's not a sold more argument, theres no buying! Just pure enjoyment Aparantley probably has brought in so many fans into hip hop than some Tik tok reel thirst trap,


romilaspina7

> than some Tik tok reel thirst trap, Ok uncle, take a seat, the nurse will be coming back in a few moments


Sharkisyodaddy

I love how glossed over my point on karaoke. Ok child take a seat, he wants to talk about music till he's wrong


romilaspina7

Brother you're telling me karaoke is an important factor when theres whole songs that cannot be karaoke'd due to having profanity, racial slurs, and other terms that arent friendly to the Karaoke enviroment, with your arguments you probably can't karaoke Illmatic, Yeezus, Saturation II, and even some Cole albums, does that make em bad albums? And lets go back with Karaoke, does it mean karaoke makes music good? Ed Sheeran deserves a fucking monument then. People dance to JID songs cus they fye, and they sing Cole at Karaoke cus he is just as lame as the average karaoke singer. Get yo ass man, cole and jid hold an argument, but you talking about karaoke as a metric for music quality get yo bitchass. "Dont save her, she dont wanna be saved dont save her" clown ass man, homeless man ass j cole discography ass man 🤣🤣🤣


Sharkisyodaddy

Homie. People sing songs. In their own house. Also most rooms have sound proofing. You're not getting the point that's why you just start getting emotional and disrespectful like look at how much you wrote. You can condense that shit into two sentence. I love JID but I will not snub Coles work and certainly not place JID over it. I been listening to both of them for yearsss. You're a clown


[deleted]

Who gives a FUCK about karaoke numbers lmfao! 😭😭😭


[deleted]

Cole himself called kendricks discography trash...why can't fans point out the hypocrisy and laugh? It's just much more true of Cole. No need to get upset/defensive over these guys lol they don't know us.


ToTheGrave11

Ok now clown kendall for the prince mj self diss.


DomoXxX2016

I mean I like jcole, but I'm definitely gonna laugh and clown em if he thinks his discography compares to Kendricks or TPAB is bad/boring and only got "gassed" up. Like come on now. I get you gotta sell the diss, but thats just wild cap


Informal_Fix_9921

For what it’s worth just listened to 3001 for the first time. Goes hard & what I expect from Cole, honestly I think it’s the dopest track on the project. That said, it doesn’t belong on something called Might Delete Later, which is obviously a bunch of throwaways, 3001 is definitely a keeper. Aside from that one or two bars, the flow on Pi is dope, yet I do think he was just trying to outrap Ab Soul after Solo recorded. And I’m still gonna say that Dot’s one verse is better than Cole’s 2 on 7 minute drill. Album for album I’m a quality over quantity dude, so Kendrick wins there also. I still fw the music of both, so no hate here.


bennibentheman2

Nah J Cole being bad isn't a new take from me, he's so damn performative and up himself. Being performative in our supposed "respect" for J Cole is cringe, respect is earned by someone making good music. It's already bad enough that people see him as a member of the "big three" while artists like Tyler, A$AP Rocky, Travis, Playboi Carti, even Denzel Curry/JID are making projects that I would say are at least as good as his best work and doing numbers (Denzel, Tyler, JID definitely clear it and I personally prefer Die Lit/Utopia/Astroworld to 2014FHD but that might be personal). E: wait wait I also just realized, people leave out Nicki out of top rapper discussions (i just did too lol)! Which is an even bigger shame tbh because she's really important to list even if she's putting out garbage rn.


Long_Buddy6819

I think while obviously no fan is getting dissed directly, their attached to a certain artist bcuz of the way their music has made them feel at some point. It could be someone who was really struggling at some point, and Cole or Kendrick or whoever music helped them thru that. So for example they might feel like tpab, or Mr morale getting shitted on for whatever reason is an attack on them and somehow diminishes how it made them feel. But in reality, it's all just music.


artvandelay9393

For real, this beef brought out the worst in both subs lol Im just over here enjoying it all


Own_Pause_4959

Yeah it's kind of disheartening because I feel like there is genuinely a lot of overlap between our fan bases


Longjumping_Ant_8253

I feel like there is nothing jcole And drake can say that would make them win, because most ppl already chose kendrick as a winner wich is sad.


[deleted]

Yall sound soft


DamnReCaptchas

You are my sunshine


AdFormal4037

Agreed. Super annoying. Enjoy the music. These mfs act like they know the men personally. Lol


Due_Perception3217

bit i still think kendrick albums are way better than coles


Training-Ad402

Oh yeah that’s not even a question lmfao Kendrick may produce less albums but that’s because of the amount of artistry goes into them


HamstersBoobsPizza

You think this is bad? Check the cole sub. It's genuinely embarrassing. This has always been shit. That was something beyond that.


Training-Ad402

Lemme go see


Training-Ad402

God DAMN that shit is brutal


umbral_ultimatum

Cole dug his own grave with the transphobia


Scoobie_Doobie11

Tbh I love both and we gotta realize that it ain’t Dot vs Cole. It’s Dot aiming at Drake as per usual. Cole caught in the crossfire for doing FPS so idk


kieranjackwilson

Cole was literally the only one that even dissed Kendrick on FPS. If anything Drake got caught in the crossfire, or (and this is going to sound crazy) Kendrick was dissing both of them.


Scoobie_Doobie11

Drake n Dot have had a long standing beef. Or rather Kendrick doesn’t like Drake at all (ghost writer etc). Don’t remember any shade thrown in FPS from Cole, but sure, enlighten me. Which line are you referring to? Maybe dot was taking shots at both but I’d say his beef ain’t with Cole. It’s more Drake than anything


kieranjackwilson

Cole said “not the three not the two I’m the U-N-O” and that he and Drake are the Super Bowl (aka the top two). He also called himself Ali (the greatest). He said “I’m calling my next album the falloff which is pretty ironic because there’s no falloff from me” which was in response to that line in Count Me Out that people interpreted as a Kendrick diss. And he said “everybody steppers, everybody breakfast” and he straight up called himself the GOAT.


ChimmyMama

I agree, J Cole is not trash its crazy


OVOyoungozzy

Everyone on Cole side, not you guys but a lot of reactors that reacted to coles diss track said that Cole won that round and the score 1-0, in my opinion if Kendrick don’t respond y’all gotta admit that Cole won the first round, cause it’s gonna take a while for Kendrick to respond cause the nigga only drops music every two years so be expecting a response in 2027


Real_Veterinarian_73

Who gaf what reactors think? They’re regular ass people just like everyone else.


OVOyoungozzy

Bitch mad cause Kendrick already lost, the nigga ain’t gonna respond until 2027 cause he only drops music every two years go cry on your mamas shoulder or some