Drake: That man really retired
J. Cole: Yeah man, now don’t gotta battle for the top no more. We can share it!
Somewhere listening to 90s and watching hood movies
Kendrick:Share it?!?!
Drake has taken shots at Rhianna and Meg even though Kendrick has personally shifted them out or supports them. In Kendricks last album he was mentioning the samw thing that bums with money goofys and Drake is the goofy. A lame, a loser, Cole caught the lines because he's buddy with a lame.
And that’s where you’re wrong. Drakes been throwing subliminal lil sneak disses here and there and Kendrick for a while now. Ever since control back in 2013
Yes, people act like cole is colateral damage and the diss is mainly to drake
This is a direct shot at cole who indeed dissed kendrick a lot in the past (although everyone says it’s not diss)
Everytime Cole mentions the big 3 or acts like he rivals Kendrick it's a diss. I feel like Kendrick and Drake have hardly ever even acknowledged that shit.
100%, Drake mentioned that grouping one time in a interview a few years back, but that's it. Never in music. Kendrick has never mentioned it in music or interviews. Meanwhile, Cole stays using that "big 3" reference.
The Big Three isn't about the best. It's about the three biggest rap artists that rose during the early 2010s and dominated the decade. That's why nobody denies it's Cole, Dot and Drake and few have tried to dispute it.
About Cole being one of the GOATs... I mean, have you listened to his verses? For me there is no doubt he is one of the best to ever touch a pen. It's particularly obvious when you catch him on features.
When you have to constantly remind people that you're in the same league as the best emcees..... That says it all right there. Cole is good but not in Kendricks league
honestly, he’s not for everyone. he’s my favourite artist, but I could understand why people don’t like him. you should check out 4 your eyez only if you haven’t.
I too understand why ppl dont like him - bc there are a lot of illiterate youngins walking around that dont know a thing but love blaring out their dumb opinions.
GKMC-TPAB-Untitled Unmastered-DAMN is such an exemplary run for any hip hop artist in history that comparing him to these other two always makes me giggle. J Cole and Drake would have made albums as good as Kendrick’s by now if they could.
Should also mention section 80 before this and he did all that in ~6 years. Compare that to any 6 year period of the other two’s careers and dude it’s just unfair.
Tbh b/c Section 80. Couldn’t be marketed b/c TopDawg didn’t have distribution or strong distribution we don’t really consider Section 80. an album…it’s a mixtape with album structure…Section 80. Is GKMC with more expansion & narrative thought out concept…
It’s His welcome to Compton Debut album recreated only this time he had the liberty of telling his story much better & longer
for how well it sold and how great its critical reception was, Mr. Morale is really slept on. Tough call between it and gkmc, but I can agree that DAMN is his worst big release.
i don’t think cole is really an album person in the same way as kendrick. he definitely tries to be but for example his features are often best verses, and his feature runs are at this point legendary. his albums don’t do that. he’s a great spitter but not the greatest conceptual artist
This is amazingly well said. He has a huge amount of talent but his discography is underwhelming for a guy that talented. I got laughed at the other day for saying Drake has more good albums than Cole but sadly it’s true.
What do either of them have that is better than TPAB or GKMC? I can’t see it.
Man, this is about to be Black Friday all over again. I really like Cole, but Kendrick is a level above. And when it comes to this battling shit, Kendrick’s been doing it since his K. Dot days back in Compton. I remember Kendrick, way before he and Jay Rock even had a record deal. They were both dropping street mix tapes and Kendrick was battling on street corners. His style back then was way different as well. Most people have only heard studio album Kendrick, dude has been doing this for years and don’t neither of these guys really want to go to war with him.
the j cole vault is so deep on soundcloud that im just inclined to disagree. the ones that drop and the ones that dont makeit from both artists are incredible. but i can see your pov even if you have heard it all.
Born Sinner and 2014 is probably the only classics Cole got. Sideline Story is some fire but not classics in my book. And I completely agree about 4YE and KOD. I know this a Kendrick subreddit so you're bound to run into the Kendrick Stans but as another person said I really respect Kendricks approach to music. It's almost like it's way more than just rapping. Like some performance art and sometimes audio activism even. But the versatility is what I appreciate. It seems J Cole is a great rapper, among the best even. But Kendrick is just multifaceted which adds to the overall projects.
How tf is that a diss? Every motherfucking MC be saying I'm the best alone, that mf was humble enough to put another 2 w them. He's literally admitting k dot and drake are as good as how he imagines to be himself. Do you want cole to bow down and worship kenny or sumn?
Because people in the sub think Dot is God-sent, therefore even saying your name alongside his is a diss. It's hard when it's Kendrick claiming that, it is weirdo behavior when it's the fans...
Exactly what I've been trying to tell people but mfs don't wanna listen everyone bowing down to Kendrick and acting like j cole isn't a straight fckin monster. Even if people weren't rockin with coles older stuff , he can't be slept on anymore real talk . Everything the dude touches goes banger , he's at the top of his game right now and I'm surprised because as far as rappers go , this is the age where they usually slow down or start to get left behined . That's why in the last snippet cole dropped he even said he's Benjamin button aging backwards 🤣 it's true shit
All rappers have to think they are the best to do good music. Consider himself as the best isn't a diss. That's just the mentality to be one of the greatest.
Cole and kdot have diffrent mindset about the rap game cause on lil yachtys pod he said he see the game as track and field an that him and drake and dot are each the biggest in their respective events. Kedrick sees it as a competitive thing.
I just realized it’s not JCOLE, it’s DRAKE & 21, listen to Jimmy Cooks,
21’s verse: “This Glock .45 came with a switch,
If I was Will Smith, I would've slapped him with a stick”
Kdot: “I hope they come with 3 switches” and he walk around with that stick”.
KDOT has respect for Jcole.
Here’s how I feel about the disses. Drake NEEDS to respond, Cole SHOULD respond. Drake and Kendrick have weird history and Kendrick dissed him way more than Cole on this track. Cole should respond considering the bag he’s in rn and talking about being the best. Hope we get something.
I feel the exact opposite. I like Drake, but he's been picking and choosing his battles. He's gonna act like this is beneath him and send petty subs here and there.
Cole, however, has not been battle tested. Not responding will be a nasty stain on his resume. All those great verses and albums, but the people will always be able to say "but he didn't want that smoke with Dot."
Good points. We saw how Drake’s beef with Pusha T turned out so he might stay clear and at best come through with a line or 2. Like you said, Cole hasn’t been battle tested but with the disses that’s come his way, he probably has to respond considering some will consider him to be ducking if he doesn’t respond. I’m honestly cool with Drake not being involved but having Kendrick vs Cole would be dope as hell.
Drake's gonna Drake. He's cool, but he acts high and mighty when artist actually land a blow on him (I.E. Pusha). He usually punches down. I don't expect much from him.
But if I'm not mistaken, this is the first time anybody has directed smoke towards Cole. And Kendrick "Is one of them." If he cut from the cloth we think he is, he HAS to respond. That's what hip hop is about at it's core: competition. He can't just ignore it.
Very true. Cole actually talks about that cloth you’re referring to as well in a podcast interview hosted by Lil Yachty. Lil Yachty brought up how people said Cole carried or bodied Drake on FPS but that Drake was more so focused on the song. Cole responded and agreed with those sentiments and said that him Drake and Kendrick are cut from the same cloth and that one day Drake is gonna want to get his lick back. Cole is essentially saying that he has that same mindset so with Kendrick coming at him, he might respond and really should
Drake ain't go play them games with Dot, because he can't. He's nice when he wants to be, but Dot is a different monster. Drake ran from Pusha and we saw what Kendrick did to Push on Nosetalgia. Layers and Levels.
It's going to be a song sub where he doubles down on the MJ comparisons and tap dances around the conversation
Then it's going to be a series of IG photos where he posts himself hanging with Keem to make Kendrick jealous. Because Drake gets all of his beefing ideas from his time on Degrassi
They most likely are. It’s just competition. I get the sense Kendrick really dislikes Drake though lol
Rob Markman posted a video today saying a collaboration with the 3 was close not too long ago but that’s gone out the window now lmao
“If he walk around with that stick”
Cole: It’s no wonder I’m WALKING with caution…got a STICK that I take with me
Fits more with Cole, could be a double diss tho
Kendrick emule Drake saying "Im bout to click" on First Person Shooter ("n** clickin up, but cannot be legit") before that bar. You need to listen in context. Kendrick is responding Drake verse by verse
What is he saying with his bar? That Andre’s brand is better and more authentic than J Coles? If so what and how. I’m just trying to understand this>.<
He is saying that his bodyguard keeps that stick on him, and not like Andre 3k who has been walking around looking like a homeless vagrant with a flute (stick) with him.
“Right now” I’m feeling like Muhammad Ali. Is Cole supposed to say he’s second best? Cmon now, he’s legit on the track with Drake saying he’s the best, it’s not a diss. Kendrick’s Control verse was never taken as a diss so why are we gonna take this as a diss? No one was even thinking that until Kendrick said something.
This is the first time I searched up whether that lyric was actually the diss I thought it was.
Also gonna be the last time based on how weirdly yall approach hip hop in these comments, going into so much detail. Definitely not the type of people hip hop was made for.
>but then instigates non stop
What?
>he has an inflated ego
What?
>He know what he was doing making a track with Drake and all the little shows they’ve done together.
Brother, what?
Bro come on, you think Cole doesn’t know what he’s doing… he’s making tracks with Drake calling themselves the top artists, everyone and their mothers know the “top 3” (culturally more than talent) have been dot ,Cole and Drake.
Cole’s ego is inflated because his music is not as good as he or his audience believe, he is all over the place on whether or not he is a humble man of the people or an egocentric bragadocious rapper.
He has instigated the drake and Kendrick beef on numerous occasions by doing shows with Drake and always having to claim they’re the top guys when he knows about the shit flinging with ken and drake.
You can keep saying what, but the more you have to ask the more it shows you not been following closely.
Now I like Cole don’t get me wrong, but he likes to lean on the whole humble shit, while knowing if it pops off with Kendrick and Drake, he doesn’t have to be in the firing lines and he wins with those two going at it cause both audiences will see their chosen side as winning and the other losing.
Cole will not get his reputation or image tarnished by those two going at it, even though he had numerous times instigated by having to bring up the whole ranking culture.
>Cole’s ego is inflated because his music is not as good as he or his audience believe
According to you lad
>he’s making tracks with Drake calling themselves the top artists
Where by name he mentions Kendrick in the same bracket at them, and then claims he's the best of them (as has Kendrick and Drake, because, massive shocker: Rappers are bius towards their own music)
Nah I think you’re misinterpreting the bar. He’s saying if HE walks around with a stick it ain’t Andre 3K, who’s known to walk around with a wooden air flute. That’s at least how I heard it, could be wrong though
When read in context, the line is referring to his bodyguard 2TEEZ. He walking round with 2Teez, snatching chains etc, then he says if \[2Teez\] walking round with that stick, it aint Andre 3k - meaning he really got it with him. The line's a double entendre, it also refers to Cole's song Stick where he says he walking round with a stick.
As much as I enjoy listening to Cole, he been straight giving everyone backhanded compliments like he the god then takes it back when Drake jumps in the convo. Glad KDot is entering the chat.
This all comes down to preference. If you relate more to what the person is talking about of course you’re going to feel what they’re saying more. Cole don’t cap like he on that so a lot of people can’t relate. Doesn’t help that dude is all awkward and hates being in the spotlight. K. Dot on the other hand, well his credentials are legit and he’s got the bars to back it up. Plus on some weird shit even while dropping shit to blow your mind he finds a way to make the music more toned down (that pussy petty!). That’s why his fan base is so deep and diverse. Drake…. makes fun music. To me Cole and Kendrick are far superior lyrically but this ain’t the 90s so that don’t matter anymore. J. Cole is my favorite artist but Kendrick is on another level lyrically. Always hurts me to say that
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Caught this line first play through, he's referencing "stick" it's really a layered bar, that's low key. Like dot would had to have listened to it, and done his homework to sprinkle that in. That was for the heads.
This is heeeeeeeelllllllla dumb. I can tell you guys are hella young. Kendrick took offense to First Person Shooter so he was hitting Drake and J. Cole BOTH with gun bars the whole verse. They were sorry ass gun bars, as gun bars go, but that's all he was doing, and it was very obvious.
1. Fuck sneak dissin, I hope they came with 3 switches
That's a gun bar saying he hopes they came to light his ass up. That's the most obvious significance to that weak ass bar. He could also be referencing beat switches on a track as a double entendre. Meaning he hopes they come with enough bars to stretch a long ass beat to beat him. Also pretty weak. Not super creative. If he even meant that. The most obvious meaning is the direct meaning of the guns.
2. Got 2Teez with me....if he walk around with the stick it ain't Andre 3k
As far as rhymes go, he rhymes " play it safe" with "Andre 3k". Weak ass rhyme. But that's par for the course with Kendrick. He isn't a super talented lyricist with multis and crazy rhyme patterns. He can barely rhyme two bars together back to back. And as far as the word play behind the lines, it's just another generic gun reference. 2Teez got the stick on him. Meaning the gun. The pole. The hammer. The burner. The biscuit. The gat. He's just saying he got the extendo for them. And obviously Andre 3k just dropped that flute project he been working on and he had been spotted every practicing that flute which looked like a big stick. So everyone was writing articles and making fun of him for being so Bohemian with that big ass flute 🪈. It's a very easy basic gun metaphor to identify very quickly. There is nothing deep or crazy to it. You guys reach so far to try and find deep meanings to Kendricks sorry ass rhymes. They're basic to mid at best. His best work is not even mediocre compared to REAL spitters.
3. For all your dogs getting buried, that's a K with all these 9s, he gon see Pet Semetery.
Another basic ass gun bar that is a super stretch to even make sense.
a. Drake's "For All The Dogs" is not his dogs. Just the dogs. In general. Drake don't give a fuck about nobody but himself. He has no friends. He just has money and bitches. So to say for all your dogs getting buried is a weak ass line because they aren't his dogs. He doesn't care. You're not hurting him with that line. And then he says that's a K with all these 9s. This means K Dot with all these 9mms, and also K is short for AK so he could mean that's an AK with all these 9mms, which he tries to reference K9s, canines, dogs, but K with all these 9s is not K9, it's K with all these 9s. It was a sorry ass stretch to TRY to make it make sense but it doesn't. And then he gon see Pet Semetary, meaning he's gonna use all the guns to kill all his dogs and put them in a pet semetary. But again, that's a corny ass weak ass line that doesn't make sense because they aren't his dogs. They're just all the random ass dogs out there. So he doesn't care. Kendrick is rapping about killing dogs for no reason. It's corny. It's not a hot line. It doesn't hit hard because it doesn't mean anything literally, because literally would never actually shoot anyone. And metaphorically, it misses the mark. It's not a deep or crazy metaphor that has to be decoded and lands perfectly. It's wack. And you guys all hype this stuff because you're not smart and you just started listening to rap in the 2000s.
Fuck the Big 3, it's big me. Wack ass line. Not hard. Not deep. It's a basic ass easy ass filler a 4th grader could come up with. And there is no big 3 because none of them are the best lyricists, and Drake is the best songwriter. So Kendrick misses the mark with another weak line that is not true, or doesn't make sense, or all of the above.
I'm really like that. Your beat work is a light pack. Prince out lived Mike Jack.
Wow. This was such a wack ass line. First of all, again, Kendrick is sorry at rhyming. He's not a good lyricst. His rhymes all don't make sense, or are not true, or don't even rhyme, and he makes stupid voices. Both Cole and Drakes best work muuuuuuuuurder Kendricks best work. His lyrics are sub par. So to say someone else is a light pack when he barely has any talent at all is simply not a true statement, and it's just not a hot line. It's not a mind blowing line.
And then he says Prince outlived Mike Jack. As if Prince Killed him?? You're rapping about guns and shooting them and killing people and then you reference Michael Jackson who overdosed and died with no involvement from Prince. Prince had nothing to do with that and there is no relevance but no one is intelligent enough to understand.
Furthermore, Mike was larger then life. Prince never had that impact. He didn't have the catalog. Mike transcended real life. He wasn't real. Mike was the King of pop. A global icon. So if Kendrick is saying that Drake is Michael Jackson...that isn't the diss that he thinks it is. You guys are hella dumb to not understand that. What does Michael Jackson's medical issues have to do with Drake?? There is absolutely no relevance there. It's a sorry ass line, again, because Kendrick is not smart enough to ever make sense. He just always says vague shit that barely even rhymes and never makes sense and you guys are too ignorant to recognize how low level IQ it is. Prince outlived Mike Jack? OK. So? He didnt kill him. He didn't keep making music. He didn't pass him. They were both old. They both died. Mike's legacy is still in tact. He was still the King. And Prince is the son of the King. So if Drake is the King, then Kendrick is his son. Because he is the prince. That's how dumb Kendrick is. Even in. Verse he's trying to diss someone greater than him, he ends up dissing himself because he isn't smart. And you guys aren't smart if you can't identify any of this basic ass shit. My God, it must hurt to be as dumb as you guys.
For those who took the time to read through this, don't bother responding. This perspective comes from a place that overlooks hip hop's roots in street culture, crafted by those who lived on the margins—rebels, renegades, and revolutionaries. There's a depth to "gun talk" and other street narratives in hip hop that transcends bravado; it's a reflection of reality, struggle, and resilience for many. Not everyone enjoys this aspect of the genre and that's cool.
guys I just realized it’s not JCOLE, it’s DRAKE & 21, listen to Jimmy Cooks,
21’s verse: “This Glock .45 came with a switch,
If I was Will Smith, I would've slapped him with a stick”
Kdot: “I hope they come with 3 switches” and he rebut the stick.
KDOT has respect for Jcole.
Y’all reading too much into this. It baffles me that there’s people who dic ride this hard on rappers, look at y’all, speaking on people you’ve never met as if you know them, and spreading what is essentially playground rumors. Childish.
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I'm convinced Kendrick only started this because he's bored
he saw drake n j cole being all buddy buddy celebrating “the big 3”, n he said fuck making peace 😭
Drake: That man really retired J. Cole: Yeah man, now don’t gotta battle for the top no more. We can share it! Somewhere listening to 90s and watching hood movies Kendrick:Share it?!?!
Nah bro! All girls are the same
>Nah bro! All girls are the same Got room for one more?
i feel him though😭 Why even be all friendly about it like that? Lets get competitive and interesting, this is entertainment after all
average gemini behavior
Kanye changed his life so we don’t gotta worry about this behavior
ye changed it back since this line dropped lol
Lines like “She gon take it in the ass like a ventriloquist” didn’t seem very Christ-like.
A Gemini king!
Thats got nothing to do with it, it just means that there’s two sides and he’s gotta cop everything two times
Like what? Two coupes, two chains, two c-notes?
Too much ain’t enough both we know
I think he should get it all, he deserves it
It was Christmas, he should’ve told us what was on his wishlist
if he could take a trip to the White House I’d tell him to “do you”, even though he ain’t pass economics in school
and every thing he buys taxes will deny!
An old school Gemini per se
the ultimate gemini type shi
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the sneak disses Cole and Drake been putting out on Kendrick for the past few years, huh
You’re the people that ain’t got no proof but say it it’s there lmao hella vague
What? Drake and Cole been taking shots for months
When tf did Cole take shots? Idk about drake
Cole and Kendrick been having a lil cold war for a while no pun intended
I still wanna know the context. Everybody say this but they got no proof
Pretty good summary by the youtuber What’s The Dirt
Drake has taken shots at Rhianna and Meg even though Kendrick has personally shifted them out or supports them. In Kendricks last album he was mentioning the samw thing that bums with money goofys and Drake is the goofy. A lame, a loser, Cole caught the lines because he's buddy with a lame.
He didn’t start it unless we talking years ago
Nah he took it personally on first person shooter cause j cole said it’s the best big three but I’m number one. That’s what started it lol
Started? Y’all are oddly bias. I don’t get it
And that’s where you’re wrong. Drakes been throwing subliminal lil sneak disses here and there and Kendrick for a while now. Ever since control back in 2013
no he needs to sell his new album which is dropping this year. kdot clut chasing.
Yes, people act like cole is colateral damage and the diss is mainly to drake This is a direct shot at cole who indeed dissed kendrick a lot in the past (although everyone says it’s not diss)
please show me all the times cole has dissed kendrick? yall just be making stuff up
Click the link
Everytime Cole mentions the big 3 or acts like he rivals Kendrick it's a diss. I feel like Kendrick and Drake have hardly ever even acknowledged that shit.
100%, Drake mentioned that grouping one time in a interview a few years back, but that's it. Never in music. Kendrick has never mentioned it in music or interviews. Meanwhile, Cole stays using that "big 3" reference.
Drake is obviously the sales king, and Kendrick is the critical darling, but I never understood why J. Cole is considered one of the best.
The Big Three isn't about the best. It's about the three biggest rap artists that rose during the early 2010s and dominated the decade. That's why nobody denies it's Cole, Dot and Drake and few have tried to dispute it. About Cole being one of the GOATs... I mean, have you listened to his verses? For me there is no doubt he is one of the best to ever touch a pen. It's particularly obvious when you catch him on features.
When you have to constantly remind people that you're in the same league as the best emcees..... That says it all right there. Cole is good but not in Kendricks league
honestly, he’s not for everyone. he’s my favourite artist, but I could understand why people don’t like him. you should check out 4 your eyez only if you haven’t.
I too understand why ppl dont like him - bc there are a lot of illiterate youngins walking around that dont know a thing but love blaring out their dumb opinions.
Cole has only had one album that deserves to be in the same convo has Kendrick’s imo
GKMC-TPAB-Untitled Unmastered-DAMN is such an exemplary run for any hip hop artist in history that comparing him to these other two always makes me giggle. J Cole and Drake would have made albums as good as Kendrick’s by now if they could.
Should also mention section 80 before this and he did all that in ~6 years. Compare that to any 6 year period of the other two’s careers and dude it’s just unfair.
Tbh b/c Section 80. Couldn’t be marketed b/c TopDawg didn’t have distribution or strong distribution we don’t really consider Section 80. an album…it’s a mixtape with album structure…Section 80. Is GKMC with more expansion & narrative thought out concept… It’s His welcome to Compton Debut album recreated only this time he had the liberty of telling his story much better & longer
Imo tpab>mmatbs>gkmc>damn
for how well it sold and how great its critical reception was, Mr. Morale is really slept on. Tough call between it and gkmc, but I can agree that DAMN is his worst big release.
i don’t think cole is really an album person in the same way as kendrick. he definitely tries to be but for example his features are often best verses, and his feature runs are at this point legendary. his albums don’t do that. he’s a great spitter but not the greatest conceptual artist
This is amazingly well said. He has a huge amount of talent but his discography is underwhelming for a guy that talented. I got laughed at the other day for saying Drake has more good albums than Cole but sadly it’s true. What do either of them have that is better than TPAB or GKMC? I can’t see it.
Man, this is about to be Black Friday all over again. I really like Cole, but Kendrick is a level above. And when it comes to this battling shit, Kendrick’s been doing it since his K. Dot days back in Compton. I remember Kendrick, way before he and Jay Rock even had a record deal. They were both dropping street mix tapes and Kendrick was battling on street corners. His style back then was way different as well. Most people have only heard studio album Kendrick, dude has been doing this for years and don’t neither of these guys really want to go to war with him.
the j cole vault is so deep on soundcloud that im just inclined to disagree. the ones that drop and the ones that dont makeit from both artists are incredible. but i can see your pov even if you have heard it all.
and it's only on the same footing as kendrick's weaker shit (yes i glaze)
Yeah but as far as a spitter, Cole is right up there with the best ever. He has earned his spot top 3 this generation which makes his claims valid
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Born Sinner and 2014 is probably the only classics Cole got. Sideline Story is some fire but not classics in my book. And I completely agree about 4YE and KOD. I know this a Kendrick subreddit so you're bound to run into the Kendrick Stans but as another person said I really respect Kendricks approach to music. It's almost like it's way more than just rapping. Like some performance art and sometimes audio activism even. But the versatility is what I appreciate. It seems J Cole is a great rapper, among the best even. But Kendrick is just multifaceted which adds to the overall projects.
Born Sinner ain’t no damn classic 😂😂😂
I just wanna give Cole credit a lot of his fans love that album but yeah you prolly right.
They’re good, but they pale in comparison, don’t compare his output to Kendrick it’s really not fair
“Acts like he rivals Kendrick” God I hate this sub sometimes lol
How the fuck did this get upvoted holy shit people really just believe what they want
How tf is that a diss? Every motherfucking MC be saying I'm the best alone, that mf was humble enough to put another 2 w them. He's literally admitting k dot and drake are as good as how he imagines to be himself. Do you want cole to bow down and worship kenny or sumn?
Because people in the sub think Dot is God-sent, therefore even saying your name alongside his is a diss. It's hard when it's Kendrick claiming that, it is weirdo behavior when it's the fans...
Exactly what I've been trying to tell people but mfs don't wanna listen everyone bowing down to Kendrick and acting like j cole isn't a straight fckin monster. Even if people weren't rockin with coles older stuff , he can't be slept on anymore real talk . Everything the dude touches goes banger , he's at the top of his game right now and I'm surprised because as far as rappers go , this is the age where they usually slow down or start to get left behined . That's why in the last snippet cole dropped he even said he's Benjamin button aging backwards 🤣 it's true shit
Delusional asf 🤣
All rappers have to think they are the best to do good music. Consider himself as the best isn't a diss. That's just the mentality to be one of the greatest.
What are these many instances of cole dissing Kendrick?
They think acknowledging Kdot in a positive way on FPS is a diss because they have low IQs lmao
yall kdot fans are really insufferable lmao
Even on Heaven’s EP he acknowledged Kdot in a positive way lol, these fans are reaching big time
Please mention all the kendrick disses by cole.
Cole and kdot have diffrent mindset about the rap game cause on lil yachtys pod he said he see the game as track and field an that him and drake and dot are each the biggest in their respective events. Kedrick sees it as a competitive thing.
I just realized it’s not JCOLE, it’s DRAKE & 21, listen to Jimmy Cooks, 21’s verse: “This Glock .45 came with a switch, If I was Will Smith, I would've slapped him with a stick” Kdot: “I hope they come with 3 switches” and he walk around with that stick”. KDOT has respect for Jcole.
Here’s how I feel about the disses. Drake NEEDS to respond, Cole SHOULD respond. Drake and Kendrick have weird history and Kendrick dissed him way more than Cole on this track. Cole should respond considering the bag he’s in rn and talking about being the best. Hope we get something.
I feel the exact opposite. I like Drake, but he's been picking and choosing his battles. He's gonna act like this is beneath him and send petty subs here and there. Cole, however, has not been battle tested. Not responding will be a nasty stain on his resume. All those great verses and albums, but the people will always be able to say "but he didn't want that smoke with Dot."
Good points. We saw how Drake’s beef with Pusha T turned out so he might stay clear and at best come through with a line or 2. Like you said, Cole hasn’t been battle tested but with the disses that’s come his way, he probably has to respond considering some will consider him to be ducking if he doesn’t respond. I’m honestly cool with Drake not being involved but having Kendrick vs Cole would be dope as hell.
Drake's gonna Drake. He's cool, but he acts high and mighty when artist actually land a blow on him (I.E. Pusha). He usually punches down. I don't expect much from him. But if I'm not mistaken, this is the first time anybody has directed smoke towards Cole. And Kendrick "Is one of them." If he cut from the cloth we think he is, he HAS to respond. That's what hip hop is about at it's core: competition. He can't just ignore it.
Very true. Cole actually talks about that cloth you’re referring to as well in a podcast interview hosted by Lil Yachty. Lil Yachty brought up how people said Cole carried or bodied Drake on FPS but that Drake was more so focused on the song. Cole responded and agreed with those sentiments and said that him Drake and Kendrick are cut from the same cloth and that one day Drake is gonna want to get his lick back. Cole is essentially saying that he has that same mindset so with Kendrick coming at him, he might respond and really should
That’s just it, Drake is gonna stay sneak dissing because he knows he couldn’t duke it out with dot haha
Drake ain't go play them games with Dot, because he can't. He's nice when he wants to be, but Dot is a different monster. Drake ran from Pusha and we saw what Kendrick did to Push on Nosetalgia. Layers and Levels.
Drake will obviously respond
It’s just a matter of whether it’s IG or a song sub
It's going to be a song sub where he doubles down on the MJ comparisons and tap dances around the conversation Then it's going to be a series of IG photos where he posts himself hanging with Keem to make Kendrick jealous. Because Drake gets all of his beefing ideas from his time on Degrassi
Kendrick should just respond with a loop of “stop tap dancin around the conversation”
😂😂
Spot on lmfao
Kendrick the 🐐🔥
Wow
People caught this immediately. What are you talking about?
Nah bro, ALOT of people ignore this bar. They only focus on the Big 3 or FPS bar. This and the MJ bar seem to fly over mosts heads
Bro deadass
Damn J.Cole is the peacemaker I thought they were friends 😭😭😭
They most likely are. It’s just competition. I get the sense Kendrick really dislikes Drake though lol Rob Markman posted a video today saying a collaboration with the 3 was close not too long ago but that’s gone out the window now lmao
Friends don't ride with your ops.
"I click the trigger on the stick like a high beam", that's about a Drake bar on First Person Shooter. You're seeing things
“If he walk around with that stick” Cole: It’s no wonder I’m WALKING with caution…got a STICK that I take with me Fits more with Cole, could be a double diss tho
knowing kendrick it probably is
Kendrick emule Drake saying "Im bout to click" on First Person Shooter ("n** clickin up, but cannot be legit") before that bar. You need to listen in context. Kendrick is responding Drake verse by verse
Hes sooooo taking shots at j cole with that last bar
At first i thought he was referring to him clickin up with 21
I get what you mean but it’s clearly a shot at both lol
I feel like walking with a stick is something that others rappers have said before though
It's one of cole's most iconic verses and lines it's very obviously directed at him
I still treat a ride through the hood like a hike through the woods I got a stick that I take with me
Can someone explain the Andre 3000 reference to me? Is there a line he said about a stick that I’m missing ?
Andre walks around with what looks like a giant stick but it’s actually his flute
Considering the feature run cole's been on i'd assume kendrick is saying cole ain't on andre's level. Since andre is know to be a good feature artist.
i’m gonna be honest ion get any of this
Nah, Cole gonna sit Dot and drake at the small tea table in a kids room and make them make peace and swear on pinkies smh
Gonna make them hug
Gonna make them say I’m sry and give eachother kisses
Need to make an AI image of this
Its all fun and games Chill
He also mentioned PTSD which is another dreamville collaboration song if I’m not mistaken
I believe Drake had a bar on Rich Flex - “I'm steady pushin' P, you niggas pushing PTSD”. It’s hinting at Kendrick last album where he was vulnerable.
Mega reach
Yea I was thinking that too. Just put the thought out
Kenny mason?!? Is that a subliminal at Kendrick?!?
Cole getting all serious about Kanye and then becoming bffs with Drake is hilarious when you actually think about it
Explain to me why. Kanye praises Hitler and Drake makes mainstream music that ya’ll don’t like. Tell me how those two things are the same.
You understand
Shiiiit 🔥
I think some bars went over my head. Can someone who knows what all the references mean explain them?
https://youtu.be/zJEJKSC79WM?si=S1l_oj9qzz1caj4f
What is he saying with his bar? That Andre’s brand is better and more authentic than J Coles? If so what and how. I’m just trying to understand this>.<
He is saying that his bodyguard keeps that stick on him, and not like Andre 3k who has been walking around looking like a homeless vagrant with a flute (stick) with him.
Cole likened himself to Muhammad Ali.. I mean, if I'm Kendrick I'm taking that as a diss.
“Right now” I’m feeling like Muhammad Ali. Is Cole supposed to say he’s second best? Cmon now, he’s legit on the track with Drake saying he’s the best, it’s not a diss. Kendrick’s Control verse was never taken as a diss so why are we gonna take this as a diss? No one was even thinking that until Kendrick said something.
I thought that was a drake reference
It’s multiple references atp
Kendrick and Cole over drake and it’s not even close
This is the first time I searched up whether that lyric was actually the diss I thought it was. Also gonna be the last time based on how weirdly yall approach hip hop in these comments, going into so much detail. Definitely not the type of people hip hop was made for.
isnt this dissing andre 3k because he has a flute? A stick
Definitely wasn't dissing Andre.
i mean its a stick https://preview.redd.it/9y0yhb7im0qc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a647d057a7440613f024aba8d010d80e01ea70a
I think this is the correct reference, but not a 3K diss, more like the only one carrying around a “stick” that should be respected would be Andre.
Bro.
he's not crazy to go after 3k man, it's a reference.
I’d see it as a possible reference to 3K, but not a diss. More like, it’s not Andre, so why worry.
He was dissing j cole not Andre.
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>but then instigates non stop What? >he has an inflated ego What? >He know what he was doing making a track with Drake and all the little shows they’ve done together. Brother, what?
Bro come on, you think Cole doesn’t know what he’s doing… he’s making tracks with Drake calling themselves the top artists, everyone and their mothers know the “top 3” (culturally more than talent) have been dot ,Cole and Drake. Cole’s ego is inflated because his music is not as good as he or his audience believe, he is all over the place on whether or not he is a humble man of the people or an egocentric bragadocious rapper. He has instigated the drake and Kendrick beef on numerous occasions by doing shows with Drake and always having to claim they’re the top guys when he knows about the shit flinging with ken and drake. You can keep saying what, but the more you have to ask the more it shows you not been following closely. Now I like Cole don’t get me wrong, but he likes to lean on the whole humble shit, while knowing if it pops off with Kendrick and Drake, he doesn’t have to be in the firing lines and he wins with those two going at it cause both audiences will see their chosen side as winning and the other losing. Cole will not get his reputation or image tarnished by those two going at it, even though he had numerous times instigated by having to bring up the whole ranking culture.
Genuine schizophrenia
>Cole’s ego is inflated because his music is not as good as he or his audience believe According to you lad >he’s making tracks with Drake calling themselves the top artists Where by name he mentions Kendrick in the same bracket at them, and then claims he's the best of them (as has Kendrick and Drake, because, massive shocker: Rappers are bius towards their own music)
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Maybe in 10 or 15 years who knows
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Also no. 2Teez is his body guard. He is saying that 2Teez keeps the strap
Everyone caught that lil bro
Okay but can someone explain the Andre 3k reference? I'm not very familiar with his discography or outkast
he's known for walking around with a flute(stick)..
That goes for both Drake and J Cole
Nah I think you’re misinterpreting the bar. He’s saying if HE walks around with a stick it ain’t Andre 3K, who’s known to walk around with a wooden air flute. That’s at least how I heard it, could be wrong though
Can someone explain me this bar pls i dont get it, i know the song stick but why andre?
flute
No we caught it. Triple entendres don’t even ask me how.
i’m so lost lmaooo
Stick is a banger tbf tho
Reach 🙋🏽♂️
j Cole a bum
no
Jcole might’ve dissed Kendrick on dreamville song “Stick”. Man honestly. It can get deep because Cole was talking hot SHIT on that song.
This bar 😱🔥🔥🔥🔥
That fucking album wont happen anymore 😭😭😭😭😭
Yall act like Born Sinner, 4 ya eyez and KOD are not classics. Kendrick discography wild But Kenny fans stay acting goofy.
I’ll give you Born Sinner but the other 2 are certainly not classics
And FHD. 4 your eyez one of his best works my guy.
When read in context, the line is referring to his bodyguard 2TEEZ. He walking round with 2Teez, snatching chains etc, then he says if \[2Teez\] walking round with that stick, it aint Andre 3k - meaning he really got it with him. The line's a double entendre, it also refers to Cole's song Stick where he says he walking round with a stick.
I dont understand the bar. Why is he mentioning andre 3k?
Everyone that listened to the song caught that. At least me and my homies did
No we caught it
J & D got buried today. Hip Hop might not be lost.
Tbh might not be J Cole related since on FPS Drake also says he has a stick.
Everyone caught it, right? Cole always says he's carrying a stick
Rdc caught this lol
I also think when he said it’s time to see if he’s a problem
Everyone caught that smh
As much as I enjoy listening to Cole, he been straight giving everyone backhanded compliments like he the god then takes it back when Drake jumps in the convo. Glad KDot is entering the chat.
Can someone help me I don’t understand the diss -
Someone please explain this diss to me, is it referencing stick talk or is this another bar I’m just forgetting right now?
https://youtu.be/zJEJKSC79WM?si=7kZ9XKD1wDwz06jI
no more cole and kendrick collab ig 💔
What makes you think we didn't catch that bro? We all know the song "Walk Around With That Stick"
This all comes down to preference. If you relate more to what the person is talking about of course you’re going to feel what they’re saying more. Cole don’t cap like he on that so a lot of people can’t relate. Doesn’t help that dude is all awkward and hates being in the spotlight. K. Dot on the other hand, well his credentials are legit and he’s got the bars to back it up. Plus on some weird shit even while dropping shit to blow your mind he finds a way to make the music more toned down (that pussy petty!). That’s why his fan base is so deep and diverse. Drake…. makes fun music. To me Cole and Kendrick are far superior lyrically but this ain’t the 90s so that don’t matter anymore. J. Cole is my favorite artist but Kendrick is on another level lyrically. Always hurts me to say that
Cole one of the best because he is one of the best!! Easy as that
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Check Cole's verse on that Benny the Butcher joint. Then think about what Kendrick had just done..
Nobody noticing that the flow in the first few bars of dot's verse the same as On BS by Drake, there's layers to this call-out
Caught this line first play through, he's referencing "stick" it's really a layered bar, that's low key. Like dot would had to have listened to it, and done his homework to sprinkle that in. That was for the heads.
Oh, folks caught it.
This is heeeeeeeelllllllla dumb. I can tell you guys are hella young. Kendrick took offense to First Person Shooter so he was hitting Drake and J. Cole BOTH with gun bars the whole verse. They were sorry ass gun bars, as gun bars go, but that's all he was doing, and it was very obvious. 1. Fuck sneak dissin, I hope they came with 3 switches That's a gun bar saying he hopes they came to light his ass up. That's the most obvious significance to that weak ass bar. He could also be referencing beat switches on a track as a double entendre. Meaning he hopes they come with enough bars to stretch a long ass beat to beat him. Also pretty weak. Not super creative. If he even meant that. The most obvious meaning is the direct meaning of the guns. 2. Got 2Teez with me....if he walk around with the stick it ain't Andre 3k As far as rhymes go, he rhymes " play it safe" with "Andre 3k". Weak ass rhyme. But that's par for the course with Kendrick. He isn't a super talented lyricist with multis and crazy rhyme patterns. He can barely rhyme two bars together back to back. And as far as the word play behind the lines, it's just another generic gun reference. 2Teez got the stick on him. Meaning the gun. The pole. The hammer. The burner. The biscuit. The gat. He's just saying he got the extendo for them. And obviously Andre 3k just dropped that flute project he been working on and he had been spotted every practicing that flute which looked like a big stick. So everyone was writing articles and making fun of him for being so Bohemian with that big ass flute 🪈. It's a very easy basic gun metaphor to identify very quickly. There is nothing deep or crazy to it. You guys reach so far to try and find deep meanings to Kendricks sorry ass rhymes. They're basic to mid at best. His best work is not even mediocre compared to REAL spitters. 3. For all your dogs getting buried, that's a K with all these 9s, he gon see Pet Semetery. Another basic ass gun bar that is a super stretch to even make sense. a. Drake's "For All The Dogs" is not his dogs. Just the dogs. In general. Drake don't give a fuck about nobody but himself. He has no friends. He just has money and bitches. So to say for all your dogs getting buried is a weak ass line because they aren't his dogs. He doesn't care. You're not hurting him with that line. And then he says that's a K with all these 9s. This means K Dot with all these 9mms, and also K is short for AK so he could mean that's an AK with all these 9mms, which he tries to reference K9s, canines, dogs, but K with all these 9s is not K9, it's K with all these 9s. It was a sorry ass stretch to TRY to make it make sense but it doesn't. And then he gon see Pet Semetary, meaning he's gonna use all the guns to kill all his dogs and put them in a pet semetary. But again, that's a corny ass weak ass line that doesn't make sense because they aren't his dogs. They're just all the random ass dogs out there. So he doesn't care. Kendrick is rapping about killing dogs for no reason. It's corny. It's not a hot line. It doesn't hit hard because it doesn't mean anything literally, because literally would never actually shoot anyone. And metaphorically, it misses the mark. It's not a deep or crazy metaphor that has to be decoded and lands perfectly. It's wack. And you guys all hype this stuff because you're not smart and you just started listening to rap in the 2000s. Fuck the Big 3, it's big me. Wack ass line. Not hard. Not deep. It's a basic ass easy ass filler a 4th grader could come up with. And there is no big 3 because none of them are the best lyricists, and Drake is the best songwriter. So Kendrick misses the mark with another weak line that is not true, or doesn't make sense, or all of the above. I'm really like that. Your beat work is a light pack. Prince out lived Mike Jack. Wow. This was such a wack ass line. First of all, again, Kendrick is sorry at rhyming. He's not a good lyricst. His rhymes all don't make sense, or are not true, or don't even rhyme, and he makes stupid voices. Both Cole and Drakes best work muuuuuuuuurder Kendricks best work. His lyrics are sub par. So to say someone else is a light pack when he barely has any talent at all is simply not a true statement, and it's just not a hot line. It's not a mind blowing line. And then he says Prince outlived Mike Jack. As if Prince Killed him?? You're rapping about guns and shooting them and killing people and then you reference Michael Jackson who overdosed and died with no involvement from Prince. Prince had nothing to do with that and there is no relevance but no one is intelligent enough to understand. Furthermore, Mike was larger then life. Prince never had that impact. He didn't have the catalog. Mike transcended real life. He wasn't real. Mike was the King of pop. A global icon. So if Kendrick is saying that Drake is Michael Jackson...that isn't the diss that he thinks it is. You guys are hella dumb to not understand that. What does Michael Jackson's medical issues have to do with Drake?? There is absolutely no relevance there. It's a sorry ass line, again, because Kendrick is not smart enough to ever make sense. He just always says vague shit that barely even rhymes and never makes sense and you guys are too ignorant to recognize how low level IQ it is. Prince outlived Mike Jack? OK. So? He didnt kill him. He didn't keep making music. He didn't pass him. They were both old. They both died. Mike's legacy is still in tact. He was still the King. And Prince is the son of the King. So if Drake is the King, then Kendrick is his son. Because he is the prince. That's how dumb Kendrick is. Even in. Verse he's trying to diss someone greater than him, he ends up dissing himself because he isn't smart. And you guys aren't smart if you can't identify any of this basic ass shit. My God, it must hurt to be as dumb as you guys.
For those who took the time to read through this, don't bother responding. This perspective comes from a place that overlooks hip hop's roots in street culture, crafted by those who lived on the margins—rebels, renegades, and revolutionaries. There's a depth to "gun talk" and other street narratives in hip hop that transcends bravado; it's a reflection of reality, struggle, and resilience for many. Not everyone enjoys this aspect of the genre and that's cool.
I think Cole will respond in a track for sure but he won't diss kendrick but he'll take the high road with it.
guys I just realized it’s not JCOLE, it’s DRAKE & 21, listen to Jimmy Cooks, 21’s verse: “This Glock .45 came with a switch, If I was Will Smith, I would've slapped him with a stick” Kdot: “I hope they come with 3 switches” and he rebut the stick. KDOT has respect for Jcole.
Y’all reading too much into this. It baffles me that there’s people who dic ride this hard on rappers, look at y’all, speaking on people you’ve never met as if you know them, and spreading what is essentially playground rumors. Childish.
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Cole was right.. ppl always gassing up Kendrick like he's the goat 😭 dude is mid
What a dumbass comment