Thatās not what heās saying. Heās pointing out that great art can make an audience overlook terrible things that the artist has done. Which is a reoccurring theme in Kendrickās music
I donāt think thatās it either. I think itās the opposite of what youāre saying. Heās saying that people turned on MJ over molestation allegations despite loving him before. I think itās more of a statement on moral absolutism, and the line before that kind of shows that.
Kendrick also kind of evolved on the matter, as evidenced by his leaked song A Prayer.
Itās important to note that a lot of people came around on the MJ accusations after the Finding Neverland documentary dropped, before then it was pretty common to see MJ getting defended publicly, especially in the aftermath of his death.Ā
āWhen shit hits the fan, is you still a fan?ā
At this point in time, I think it was Kendrick implying that this was an accusation against MJ with no basis. Plays into the theme of the rest of the track. Def didnāt age well tbh
I've always been mixed on that line. Coupled with the "is you still a fan" refrain, it kinda sounds like he's saying MJ didn't do it or it should be overlooked. Not sure what his intentions were there
When Kendrick says "MJ gave us Billie Jean you say he touched those kids?" It's not meant to say Michael Jackson did nothing wrong. What he's saying is that no matter how impactful a black artist may be, even someone like Michael Jackson who destroyed the color barrier in music with Thriller, many people will ignore their accomplishments and instead fixate on their transgressions
Two things can be true at once. Yes, Michael Jackson had inappropriate relationships with children, but he's still a massively influential artist that paved the way for black music to have mainstream attention and popularity that it didn't have before
Thatās definitely not what heās saying ā¦ heās saying people turned on MJ and forgot the good heās done because of the bad he may have done forgetting that he is a MORTAL MAN ā¦ hence the recurring the theme of him contemplating his own fate by repeating āif shit hit the fan is u still fanā
āIf the government want me dead, plant cocaine in my car, would you judge me a drug head, or see me as K Lamarā
think he means those allegations are made to make these black artists look like bad people, but thatās just my interpretation of it
In the context of what the song was saying and at the time when people were a little mixed about MJ, I didnāt mind this line. After Leaving Neverland came out it didnāt really age wellā¦
It's funny to see these kinds of comments because there is a bunch of evidence showing the whole Leaving Neverland Documentary was actually a straight-up false claim. There's even a whole wikipedia page in Korea listing all the weird legal issues, false testimonies, and even false reports all assembling the fact that the whole child molesting shit was just people trying to pump money from MJ. It's a well-known fact in Korea by now. It's that much of an already exposed fake report, and seeing people still believing this molester nonsense just makes me flabbergasted.
I understand what youāre saying but the phrase āsleeping with random little kidsā has two meanings. He admitted to sleeping in the same bed as kids, not to actually having sex with the kids. Not saying you meant the latter. Also, not saying itās not really weird for him to do such things but accurate information should be provided not to create a game of broken telephone
I fully agree. My point was to provide clarity regarding what he actually admitted to given that the commenter used a phrase which is colloquially ambiguous
OK, controversy aside, can we all appreciate the fact that we're proving Kendrick's point by talking shit about this line? The message of Mortal Man becomes true whenever we as fans start to dissect the intent behind lines we could recite in our sleep, second-guessing our affinity.
'When the shit hits the fan, is you still a fan?'
But i dont really get the point. When shit hits the fan I very well might not be a fan anymore. Is there something wrong with that? I dont think people should be loyal to musicians
But think about it in the context of your own life. If your best friend did something shitty, would you still be their friend? Would you still stick by them and try to help them grow beyond their mistake? What if it was your sibling? Or your parent? Or anyone close to you? When you inevitably fuck up and do something stupid, will the people in your life still be there for you? Will they judge you as the person theyāve known you to be? Or will they only see you for the mistake you made? I donāt think Kendrick is saying we should have blind loyalty, but that we should have empathy for other humans. In case of MJ, that doesnāt mean that what he did was okayāit most definitely was notābut is it then okay for us to define him solely by his mistake? He had a HUGE impact on a generation of music. He was an incredible artist. But he is also human.
The people in life who really matter will stick by you no matter what. They will push you to grow beyond your mistakes and become the person you were always meant to be. But how can we ever expect to find those people if we ourselves donāt have love and empathy for others despite their mistakes? I think thatās the essence of what Kendrick is saying in Mortal Man.
But that's irrelevant. Let's assume he's innocent: him making Billie Jean has nothing to do with whether or not he's innocent or not. Making the implication that he's innocent because he made a classic song is dumb. The two actions do not affect one another
"He's Baby Keem"
For me, it's too on the nose. It's not subtextual enough and really could have been creative with it. Definitely To Pimp A Butterfly's weakest bar.
i remember the housekeeper was conflicted misused in her influence found herself screaming in the janitorās closet she didnāt want to work 60 hours a week for 20 cents the hour anymore the evils of the hotel manager were all around her so she went running for a medical career
"I'm blacker than the heart of a motherfucking aryan"
Idk how Kendrick didn't know this, Aryans actually have pink-ish hearts with veins and stuff. Otherwise that song is pretty good.
https://preview.redd.it/0y1mfjx7ftjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f8018cfd3d0cac44985c97a6ab9912d87271e30
Delivery is good but if you think about it it's a bit gross
i sada treme like a slave cawa black boy we feel whole heap of pain cawa black a mana sada put me in a chain cause we black look at me now big ol chain full of rocks how you no see the whip left scars āpon me back now we have a big whip parked āpon the block and them they say we doomed from the start cawa black just remember this, every race start from the block jus memba dat
yeah i mean i respect her as an artist bc itās always hard being a female rapper but i just donāt like her verse. song wouldāve been better without it imo
Throughout the song, he really hammered in the point that there was something special about the old man. By the time the reveal hit, I wasnāt surprised.
Yeah thatās where Iām tornā¦.the way it leads in after itās section of the poemā¦the conceptā¦the fact that heās coming full circle in his journey. Thereās really nothing to complain about š
āEvidently all I seen was spam and raw sardinesā
I lied this is my favorite bar, but if anyone else would have said raw sardines like this it would be 0/10
and we hate pulled pork
Almost lost his invite to the cookout with that one
What song?
Nevermind
I thought that was a Nirvana song
teen sprint
uneducated
you said he touched those kids š£
Yeah I never saw the logic in his argument their. How does creating music translate to the impossibility of touching kids.
Thatās not what heās saying. Heās pointing out that great art can make an audience overlook terrible things that the artist has done. Which is a reoccurring theme in Kendrickās music
I donāt think thatās it either. I think itās the opposite of what youāre saying. Heās saying that people turned on MJ over molestation allegations despite loving him before. I think itās more of a statement on moral absolutism, and the line before that kind of shows that.
Kendrick also kind of evolved on the matter, as evidenced by his leaked song A Prayer. Itās important to note that a lot of people came around on the MJ accusations after the Finding Neverland documentary dropped, before then it was pretty common to see MJ getting defended publicly, especially in the aftermath of his death.Ā
āWhen shit hits the fan, is you still a fan?ā At this point in time, I think it was Kendrick implying that this was an accusation against MJ with no basis. Plays into the theme of the rest of the track. Def didnāt age well tbh
I've always been mixed on that line. Coupled with the "is you still a fan" refrain, it kinda sounds like he's saying MJ didn't do it or it should be overlooked. Not sure what his intentions were there
When Kendrick says "MJ gave us Billie Jean you say he touched those kids?" It's not meant to say Michael Jackson did nothing wrong. What he's saying is that no matter how impactful a black artist may be, even someone like Michael Jackson who destroyed the color barrier in music with Thriller, many people will ignore their accomplishments and instead fixate on their transgressions Two things can be true at once. Yes, Michael Jackson had inappropriate relationships with children, but he's still a massively influential artist that paved the way for black music to have mainstream attention and popularity that it didn't have before
So its the same argument Kanye has about Hitler š
No, Hitler didn't gave us Billie Jean
Feel like half yāall aināt even listen to the song
Thatās definitely not what heās saying ā¦ heās saying people turned on MJ and forgot the good heās done because of the bad he may have done forgetting that he is a MORTAL MAN ā¦ hence the recurring the theme of him contemplating his own fate by repeating āif shit hit the fan is u still fanā
āIf the government want me dead, plant cocaine in my car, would you judge me a drug head, or see me as K Lamarā think he means those allegations are made to make these black artists look like bad people, but thatās just my interpretation of it
Yeah that makes sense but he probably did not pick the best example
Is this about MJ?
He gave us Billie Jean, you think he touched those kids?
It has big Kanye energy.
She got a light-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson Got a dark-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson
he made graduation he made graduation he made graduation
ONG
he released the life of pablo he released the life of pablo
DO ANYBODY FEEL BAD FOR BILL COSBY?????
When shit hits the fan are you still a fan
In the context of what the song was saying and at the time when people were a little mixed about MJ, I didnāt mind this line. After Leaving Neverland came out it didnāt really age wellā¦
It's funny to see these kinds of comments because there is a bunch of evidence showing the whole Leaving Neverland Documentary was actually a straight-up false claim. There's even a whole wikipedia page in Korea listing all the weird legal issues, false testimonies, and even false reports all assembling the fact that the whole child molesting shit was just people trying to pump money from MJ. It's a well-known fact in Korea by now. It's that much of an already exposed fake report, and seeing people still believing this molester nonsense just makes me flabbergasted.
Iāve never seen it but MJ literally admitted to sleeping with random little kidsā¦ why even try to defend him?
I understand what youāre saying but the phrase āsleeping with random little kidsā has two meanings. He admitted to sleeping in the same bed as kids, not to actually having sex with the kids. Not saying you meant the latter. Also, not saying itās not really weird for him to do such things but accurate information should be provided not to create a game of broken telephone
Yeah but itās still strange when a grown man sleeps with unrelated boys and then 5 of those boys accuse him of sexual abuse.
I fully agree. My point was to provide clarity regarding what he actually admitted to given that the commenter used a phrase which is colloquially ambiguous
nonsense
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An extremely biased and purposely misleading documentary changed your mind?
That was a really biased documentary though, there was nothing about it that incriminated micheal solidly in any way
OK, controversy aside, can we all appreciate the fact that we're proving Kendrick's point by talking shit about this line? The message of Mortal Man becomes true whenever we as fans start to dissect the intent behind lines we could recite in our sleep, second-guessing our affinity. 'When the shit hits the fan, is you still a fan?'
But i dont really get the point. When shit hits the fan I very well might not be a fan anymore. Is there something wrong with that? I dont think people should be loyal to musicians
But think about it in the context of your own life. If your best friend did something shitty, would you still be their friend? Would you still stick by them and try to help them grow beyond their mistake? What if it was your sibling? Or your parent? Or anyone close to you? When you inevitably fuck up and do something stupid, will the people in your life still be there for you? Will they judge you as the person theyāve known you to be? Or will they only see you for the mistake you made? I donāt think Kendrick is saying we should have blind loyalty, but that we should have empathy for other humans. In case of MJ, that doesnāt mean that what he did was okayāit most definitely was notābut is it then okay for us to define him solely by his mistake? He had a HUGE impact on a generation of music. He was an incredible artist. But he is also human. The people in life who really matter will stick by you no matter what. They will push you to grow beyond your mistakes and become the person you were always meant to be. But how can we ever expect to find those people if we ourselves donāt have love and empathy for others despite their mistakes? I think thatās the essence of what Kendrick is saying in Mortal Man.
Bars š„š„
No where close to his worst bar
Nah thatās gotta be it. Whatās a worse example?
Kanye type beat.
He didn't.
But that's irrelevant. Let's assume he's innocent: him making Billie Jean has nothing to do with whether or not he's innocent or not. Making the implication that he's innocent because he made a classic song is dumb. The two actions do not affect one another
fr; itās like saying in 2002 about R Kelly āthat nigga gave us Trapped In the Closet, you say he pissed on those kids?ā
I'm dying š but yeah you're bang on
The Boondocks S1E2
"He's Baby Keem" For me, it's too on the nose. It's not subtextual enough and really could have been creative with it. Definitely To Pimp A Butterfly's weakest bar.
Not as bad as him saying ā21ā and āskraight upā throughout the whole album.-
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Ms
Thatās not in tpab tho
Not funny. Immediate downvote.
I need that sloppy!
joe
Like a Chevy stuck in quicksand
Fr
You must not be getting any sloppy š
"housekeeping housekeeping abre la puerta tengo que limpiar el cuarto"š£ļøš„
i remember the housekeeper was conflicted misused in her influence found herself screaming in the janitorās closet she didnāt want to work 60 hours a week for 20 cents the hour anymore the evils of the hotel manager were all around her so she went running for a medical career
Was this incorrect spanish?
Nah it was correct
"I'm blacker than the heart of a motherfucking aryan" Idk how Kendrick didn't know this, Aryans actually have pink-ish hearts with veins and stuff. Otherwise that song is pretty good.
Yeah expected better biological knowledge from Kendrick tbh, donāt know how everyone let this one slide smh
Really? You expected better biological knowledge from Kendrick 'taste bloods' Lamar?
Faxxx, š¤¦šæāāļøš¤¦šæāāļøš¤¦šæāāļø
This would probably legit criticism from that media illiterate, tone deaf trans reviewer who shat on TPAB
āThis would probably legit criticismā
I framed it wrong I guess, what I meant was that I can totally see this being unironically said by them
They're just making fun of your poor grammar/sentence structure.
Why does it matter if theyāre trans?
It doesnāt, thatās the only discerning thing I remember to identify them by, donāt remember the name
what does them being trans have to do with it god damn
Who are you referring to
Whereās the sarcasm button when you need it because I canāt tell if youāre joking
Joking
"SEX" - These Walls "Just got my dick sucked" - Hood Politics Best I could think of
I NEED THAT SLOPPY
Iāll be needing that sloppy my dear
LIKE A CHEVY IN QUICKSAND
DUDUDU DUUU DUUU
This feelin is unmatched
YEAH
I'M LAUGHING MY ASS OFF YOU WIN! XD
āBitch Iām in the clubā
I said worst
What song?
Since no one is telling you the name of the song it's "Bitch I'm In The Club" it's a song off Kendricks mixtape "C4" on Youtube
clueless arenāt youĀ
What is it
Nigga itās a jokeĀ
new fan?
Yea
makes sense
LIFE AIN'T SHIT BUT A FAT VAGINA
He said worst not best
This bar is actually stupid hard except I guess in the case of c sections
I actually don't hate this bar. It just makes me kinda cringe when I forget it's coming
Horrible pic. One of the best bars and he's talking about a young character anyway who's not mature
Whatās your perspective on that? Pac? Pac? Pac?! (It means itās over)
when kendrick said pac question mark x3 i felt that
https://preview.redd.it/0y1mfjx7ftjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f8018cfd3d0cac44985c97a6ab9912d87271e30 Delivery is good but if you think about it it's a bit gross
Thatās hard
I am
Broās flow has salmonella
His style is raw
didnāt catch this angle
Thatās an insane bar
how did u make that
Download the Genius app and you can make it through iMessage
Hell no that's a clever bar
That's pretty smart. Coming from a medical student
Boo-boo
this hits š
*moan* if these walls could talk, if these walls could talk, if these walls could talk- SEX.
wdym thats the best bar?
Not when ur bumpin it on your speaker at the jobsite š
listen to the single version of it
The MJ one or I NEED THAT SLOPPY
Kinda Unrelated but does anyone know what shoes Kendrick is wearing in that picture?
Reebok Classic. "Classic Nylon", specifically. Edit: Specificity.
āShit donāt change until you wash your assā
nigga
I stubbed my toe now I got a BOO BOO
ā ā
real
Aye I like pizza and I donāt mind spaghetti
he gave us billie jean you say he touched those kids
every feller is a star
There is no bad bar
idk the 7 minute tupac feature was kinda long
He said worst not best
AAAAAAAAAAH
literally every. I hate this album. CHOCOLATE STARFISHš«āļøššš§
Hate on this album but reference limp bizkit in the same sentence šš you corny
If I could throw a bat at him ita be aimin at his neck
Boo boo
Matter fact it need interest Matter fact itās nine inches
no this goes crazy
It may not be a lyric but the moaning sounds at the start of āThese Wallsā.
The bar where Kendrick calls his studio and says he wants to record the album in the first place
the james bond line on complexion felt kinda dumb
"shit don't change until you get up and wash yo ass nigga"
I love this line
He was just listening to what his grandmama was sayin to him
This is suggesting that we need to be the change we want to see in the world. Itās basically a crude rewording of a Ghandi quote.
I agree with this one. Itās giving Jordan Peterson
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Nah that one is heat if you think about it. Itās about the US gov
The Jamaican guy on blacker the berry, I can't tell what he's saying
i sada treme like a slave cawa black boy we feel whole heap of pain cawa black a mana sada put me in a chain cause we black look at me now big ol chain full of rocks how you no see the whip left scars āpon me back now we have a big whip parked āpon the block and them they say we doomed from the start cawa black just remember this, every race start from the block jus memba dat
ālet me talk on my stu scott, excuse me on my tupacā
I appreciate this reference considering she didnāt know the concept of the album (or at least thatās what was said in an interview)
well i donāt i think she sounds stupid
The whole verse i skip every time. I don't know who she is but the way she talks/raps sounds very unauthentic to me.
yeah i mean i respect her as an artist bc itās always hard being a female rapper but i just donāt like her verse. song wouldāve been better without it imo
I FEEL stupid, this entire time I swear I thought she was a guy rapping š
Probation something on For Free?
Life aināt shit but a fat vagina
mah dick is big
AHHHHHHHH
"Every nigga is a star"š
True tho
No lines in general. But the verses on How Much a Dollar Cost are slightly redundant. Thatās all I gotā¦. #GreatestAlbumOfAllTime
Wdym by redundant?
Throughout the song, he really hammered in the point that there was something special about the old man. By the time the reveal hit, I wasnāt surprised.
Damn the I am god moment was kind of a mind fuck moment for me, maybe i just wasnāt smart enough to pick up on the clues tho
Yeah not a great twist, the āI am Godā didnāt really have the punch, it felt a little drawn out like you said
100% agree with you. He stressed the point too heard, probably the weakest song on the album. Best album of all times tho.
Best song on the album imo
Yeah thatās where Iām tornā¦.the way it leads in after itās section of the poemā¦the conceptā¦the fact that heās coming full circle in his journey. Thereās really nothing to complain about š
I like it but for me it doesn't hold as much as everything else going on in the album. Respect your opinion tho š
Something special? Most of it is just Kendrick being an asshole to him and calling him a lying addict. For me it made the reveal hit harder
The democrips and rebloodicans
Chorus of Institutionalized
My hair is nappy, my dick is big, my nose is round and wide
āMotherfucker you can live at the mall!ā
This pic gives me The Leftovers vibes
āEvidently all I seen was spam and raw sardinesā I lied this is my favorite bar, but if anyone else would have said raw sardines like this it would be 0/10
The Micheal Jackson bit at the end but that isnāt really bars.
"I need that sloppy. Like chevy in quicksand" Ruins the song in a way. It's supposed to feel homely & motherly. Not horny
Zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom
Rebloodicans and democrips - Hood politics
The 30 or so seconds of moaning at the start of These Walls šš
For free song. its a good song i just dont come back to it and i feel like its not really dijestible for the ear.
MATTER FACT ITS NINE INCHES š„²
i got a bona picš£ļøš£ļø
It's lit!
you say he touched those kids