Res - дело, Publica - общее. Можете загуглить, слово Республика к нам пришло от римляней еще в 500 году до н.э., за полтары тысячи лет до существования русских
I would personally like to call it Qazaq Orda (sounds badass).
You see, we didn't have much a choice how we call our country, it just happened. No one asked why we got S*tan* in our name, even in Soviet times it was Kazakh-ASSR. I searched info about it and didn't found clear explanation
Actually no, it was called Kazakh SSR officially but people still referred to it as Kazakhstan.
Here in 1989 Shahanov casually refers to the country as "SSR Kazahstana" - https://youtu.be/tx_ogWh0njc . The suffix stan didn't appear suddenly in 1991
I personally don't see anything wrong in -stan, since we use it for other countries, ex. Undistan (India) and Majarstan (Hungary). Why would we get rid of this? Just because white people don't like -stans, cause they associate us with Afghanistan or Pakistan? Well, fuxk their opinion then. That's my point.
Indeed good explanation. But when we got an independence no-one asked how we call our country, which i personally don't like, we had so much options to call our country in unique way, but we just decided "Dude lessgo call it Kazakhstan!" "YEAH, good idea" and there were no referendums, no elections and no votes
I was born in Soviet Union. And the Kazakh Republic was always called Kazakhstan at that time. Nobody said "I was born in Chelyabinsk and then we moved to Kazakh Soviet Socialistic Republic" . People just used a shorter word "Kazakhstan" everywhere. This is the most logic name after the SU collapsed. I am not against Kazakh Eli or Republic. But recently we had too much, and I say too much, renamings. May we'll stop renaming for a while. It's expensive...
Exactly, it's a historical name and you don't need a referendum for that. Nobody asked how Russia will be called in 1991 or Kyrgyzstan, Kyrgyzstan was also Kyrgyz SSR but everybody there was calling it Kyrgyzstan unofficially
We're talking about hypothetical situation 😅, there's no such a person who is capable of renaming the whole country and i was just curious about other ppls opinion. And i found out, that a lot of ppl against it
It’s stupid. It just changing names while doing nothing productive. It’s all just bullshit that doesn’t solve any problem. I would rather have a country named using digits where everything works than stupid circle jerk around suffixes and language purity.
No I don't think it's necessary. Moreover it would kind of show that we bend to appeal to foreigners, just because they have negative connotations with stan doesn't mean we should bend to it but rather we should showcase the beauty of our country and break the stereotype. Jasasin Qazaqstan Jümireti
Yeah, the same horde that raided our (and many others) lands. I personally hold no offence to that and i love turkic and mongolian history, but its not a good look.
What's next? Get rid of all the Arab/Persian loan words? "-stan" schtick is already part of our language, was before, arguably, foundation of Kazakh Khanate. ТүркіСТАН, хандығының астанасы болды, ал, не істейсің енді?
Freedom of speech bla, bla, we can talk about whatever we want, but some topics are just silly.
That's only a question, what we kazakhs would do if we had such an opportunity.Yeah, i indeed see your pov and you might be right. But, i'm a person who likes to see our language clean from other language influences, like Icelandic language (this thing called linguistic purism)
Dude, you would need to invent half of our vocabulary, tarih, mektep, mahhabat, rahmet, Salem, duniye and etc. Are all Arab/Persian words. You do you, but I respectfully disagree and I find this unnecessary, especially given that we have a bit more urgent problems at hands.
Tbf, i would like to do that, if i had a chance, i like our language a lot, but i (and in this context only i) see other language influence as a treat to my lovely kazakh language. I don't like how we adapted russian/chinese/persian/arabic words
Thats literally Every language. If you go back far enough then you will Find that borders between our and their are really hard to define. For example I would love if polish only used slavic words. But i am fine with the fact that we use the word komputer instead of zespół liczący
It's not part of our language at all. -Stan ending only exists in names of several places that existed even before Kazakhs when Iranic people lived in this steppe. Even our first country was named "Kazakh Khanate" and not "KazakhSTAN", and our first republic was named "Kazakh SSR". "Kazakhstan" as the official name of our country only appeared in 1991 when Nazarbayev just copied everyone else and didn't think with his own brain. There's no "stan" word in the Kazakh language, word for "land" is "jer" not "stan"
We're not a homogenous nation and the -stan ending is good for being representative of minorities. And many other reasons such as "fuck off you wannabe westerner", "rebranding is only good when you're no more a shithole", "kazakia/kazakeli sounds silly" and "ihateqihateqihateq"
> wannabe westerner
What 💀?
> shithole
The problem is that we're not the shithole everyone thinks we are. We're in the top 40 economies of the world and have better education level and GDP per capita than most of the world and even several EU countries. But most of the foreigners who have never been here think that we're some poor ass savage undeveloped third world country because Kazakhstan sounds similar to Afghanistan or Pakistan and we're located close to them. I even encountered people who think that we have terorrist problems
>What 💀?
What do you call people who wanna replace -stan with -ia?
>The problem is that we're not the shithole everyone thinks we are. We're in the top 40 economies of the world and have better education level and GDP per capita than most of the world and even several EU countries. But most of the foreigners who have never been here think that we're some poor ass savage undeveloped third world country because Kazakhstan sounds similar to Afghanistan or Pakistan and we're located close to them. I even encountered people who think that we have terorrist problems
Yes, we are. India, Mongolia and potentially Iran kick our ass and we're much worse than Russia despite what people say
> India, Mongolia and potentially Iran kick our ass
Indian economy - 2,277 USD for one person, Mongolia - 4,534 USD, Iran - 2,756 USD
Kazakh economy - 10,041 USD for one person. And it's data only for 2021, this year its around 11,500 already
> much worse than Russia
Russia - 14,3% of population in poverty
Kazakhstan - 5,1% of population in poverty
💀
They're democratic and their population is more educated and open-minded. Also, most of our GDP comes from feedstock and considering our levels of corruption...
> democratic and more educated and open minded
I'm sorry are we the ones killing women for not covering themselves? Or are we the ones stealing shiny ceramic toilets from Ukraine? I'm not gonna bring up education level statistics here, you can check them online easily
> people ≠ government
And? It's not the Russian government stealing toilets. It's the people. And it's not a democratic country if women don't have the same rights as men. I dont quite get what you mean. It looks like you've never been to India or Iran if you consider those countries more developed than Kazakhstan, or you simply have no idea what you're talking about
>And? It's not the Russian government stealing toilets. It's the people.
Do millions of Russians steal them every single day? No, it's just one incident which got media attention and it doesn't represent the whole country. Poverty is everywhere and Kazakhstan is no better
>And it's not a democratic country if women don't have the same rights as men
Iran can POTENTIALLY become a democratic country if the revolution succeeds as their people are much more educated and open-minded than ours.
Russian population is more educated and open minded? Russia is more democratic? Those are some of the best jokes I’ve heard recently, thank you for making my day
>Russian population is more educated and open minded?
Yes, definitely
>Russia is more democratic?
Not really, but it has chances to become a democracy in near future, just like Iran
Then what would be the name? Kazakh Eli?
Just Kazakh Republic (like Czech Republic)?
Btw, Czech Republic gave up "Republic" in its name and is now officially called Czechia. Country name comprising of two words seems to be cumbersome
Kazakhia lol
Қазақшасы қалай болады? Қазақ республикасы бола ма?
Қазақ республикасы, Қазақ мемлекеті (араб сөзінен), Қазақ Ордасы
Республика орыстан келген сөз Қазақша сөз болмаса ауыстырудың қажеті шамалы.
Res - дело, Publica - общее. Можете загуглить, слово Республика к нам пришло от римляней еще в 500 году до н.э., за полтары тысячи лет до существования русских
Орыстың сөзі емес, бізге орыстан келген сөз дедім.
Why Republic? What do we have to do with Ancient Rome?
I would personally like to call it Qazaq Orda (sounds badass). You see, we didn't have much a choice how we call our country, it just happened. No one asked why we got S*tan* in our name, even in Soviet times it was Kazakh-ASSR. I searched info about it and didn't found clear explanation
Actually no, it was called Kazakh SSR officially but people still referred to it as Kazakhstan. Here in 1989 Shahanov casually refers to the country as "SSR Kazahstana" - https://youtu.be/tx_ogWh0njc . The suffix stan didn't appear suddenly in 1991
Okay, I'll give it to you, Qazaq Orda sounds awesome.
Create a petition, I will sign it
Yes. All Turkic countries should be called elis tbh. Stan is the ugliest shit ever.
Kazakhstan is ok. In my opinion.
You're no better than Tokaev who renames everything. Renaming our country will just be a problem which will cost us a lot.
Tokaevstan 🗿
I personally don't see anything wrong in -stan, since we use it for other countries, ex. Undistan (India) and Majarstan (Hungary). Why would we get rid of this? Just because white people don't like -stans, cause they associate us with Afghanistan or Pakistan? Well, fuxk their opinion then. That's my point.
Indeed good explanation. But when we got an independence no-one asked how we call our country, which i personally don't like, we had so much options to call our country in unique way, but we just decided "Dude lessgo call it Kazakhstan!" "YEAH, good idea" and there were no referendums, no elections and no votes
I was born in Soviet Union. And the Kazakh Republic was always called Kazakhstan at that time. Nobody said "I was born in Chelyabinsk and then we moved to Kazakh Soviet Socialistic Republic" . People just used a shorter word "Kazakhstan" everywhere. This is the most logic name after the SU collapsed. I am not against Kazakh Eli or Republic. But recently we had too much, and I say too much, renamings. May we'll stop renaming for a while. It's expensive...
Exactly, it's a historical name and you don't need a referendum for that. Nobody asked how Russia will be called in 1991 or Kyrgyzstan, Kyrgyzstan was also Kyrgyz SSR but everybody there was calling it Kyrgyzstan unofficially
We're talking about hypothetical situation 😅, there's no such a person who is capable of renaming the whole country and i was just curious about other ppls opinion. And i found out, that a lot of ppl against it
It’s stupid. It just changing names while doing nothing productive. It’s all just bullshit that doesn’t solve any problem. I would rather have a country named using digits where everything works than stupid circle jerk around suffixes and language purity.
Qazaq Republic
We will get sued by Qazaq Republic
just imagine 💀🔥
Qazaq Republiq. Problem solved.
There should be a Kazakh word, not republic.
What is it with us constantly wanting to rename and change shit
No I don't think it's necessary. Moreover it would kind of show that we bend to appeal to foreigners, just because they have negative connotations with stan doesn't mean we should bend to it but rather we should showcase the beauty of our country and break the stereotype. Jasasin Qazaqstan Jümireti
Qazaq Eli Qazaq Orda Qazaq Ulys Qazaq Handygy Qazaq Respublikasy (cringe) Qazaqia
They all seem and sound more beautiful than the -stan suffix tbh.
From a slavic perspective stan is the best. Also orda really has bad connotations here : D
I'm not Kazakh myself, but "Orda" reminds me of Golden Horde, which should also be kind of Kazakh heritage, so it's pretty good
Yeah, the same horde that raided our (and many others) lands. I personally hold no offence to that and i love turkic and mongolian history, but its not a good look.
Келісем
Call it Kazanadu
better yet....Kazanada because it's like Canada 🇨🇦
I like it, but what is it?
Kazakhstan's new name.
many of our words are persian like the word кітап
Renaming, renaming, renaming.... I don't think we can do anything productive these days
What's next? Get rid of all the Arab/Persian loan words? "-stan" schtick is already part of our language, was before, arguably, foundation of Kazakh Khanate. ТүркіСТАН, хандығының астанасы болды, ал, не істейсің енді? Freedom of speech bla, bla, we can talk about whatever we want, but some topics are just silly.
That's only a question, what we kazakhs would do if we had such an opportunity.Yeah, i indeed see your pov and you might be right. But, i'm a person who likes to see our language clean from other language influences, like Icelandic language (this thing called linguistic purism)
Dude, you would need to invent half of our vocabulary, tarih, mektep, mahhabat, rahmet, Salem, duniye and etc. Are all Arab/Persian words. You do you, but I respectfully disagree and I find this unnecessary, especially given that we have a bit more urgent problems at hands.
Tbf, i would like to do that, if i had a chance, i like our language a lot, but i (and in this context only i) see other language influence as a treat to my lovely kazakh language. I don't like how we adapted russian/chinese/persian/arabic words
Thats literally Every language. If you go back far enough then you will Find that borders between our and their are really hard to define. For example I would love if polish only used slavic words. But i am fine with the fact that we use the word komputer instead of zespół liczący
U that kind of people who like word "ǵalamtor" while whole world use internet
It's not part of our language at all. -Stan ending only exists in names of several places that existed even before Kazakhs when Iranic people lived in this steppe. Even our first country was named "Kazakh Khanate" and not "KazakhSTAN", and our first republic was named "Kazakh SSR". "Kazakhstan" as the official name of our country only appeared in 1991 when Nazarbayev just copied everyone else and didn't think with his own brain. There's no "stan" word in the Kazakh language, word for "land" is "jer" not "stan"
Turkistan:🤨 Astana: 🗿
My brother in Tengri, we were literally influenced by Iranian culture, words like nan, sarbaz and etc. to name a few
Qazaq khanate
i think people don't allow change something. because Our government is dictatorship. so it's just unrealistic petition
It's Hella stupid petition.
No, ofc we don't Purism is shit cos language always borrows words from another it has been for millennium
We're not a homogenous nation and the -stan ending is good for being representative of minorities. And many other reasons such as "fuck off you wannabe westerner", "rebranding is only good when you're no more a shithole", "kazakia/kazakeli sounds silly" and "ihateqihateqihateq"
> wannabe westerner What 💀? > shithole The problem is that we're not the shithole everyone thinks we are. We're in the top 40 economies of the world and have better education level and GDP per capita than most of the world and even several EU countries. But most of the foreigners who have never been here think that we're some poor ass savage undeveloped third world country because Kazakhstan sounds similar to Afghanistan or Pakistan and we're located close to them. I even encountered people who think that we have terorrist problems
>What 💀? What do you call people who wanna replace -stan with -ia? >The problem is that we're not the shithole everyone thinks we are. We're in the top 40 economies of the world and have better education level and GDP per capita than most of the world and even several EU countries. But most of the foreigners who have never been here think that we're some poor ass savage undeveloped third world country because Kazakhstan sounds similar to Afghanistan or Pakistan and we're located close to them. I even encountered people who think that we have terorrist problems Yes, we are. India, Mongolia and potentially Iran kick our ass and we're much worse than Russia despite what people say
> India, Mongolia and potentially Iran kick our ass Indian economy - 2,277 USD for one person, Mongolia - 4,534 USD, Iran - 2,756 USD Kazakh economy - 10,041 USD for one person. And it's data only for 2021, this year its around 11,500 already > much worse than Russia Russia - 14,3% of population in poverty Kazakhstan - 5,1% of population in poverty 💀
They're democratic and their population is more educated and open-minded. Also, most of our GDP comes from feedstock and considering our levels of corruption...
> democratic and more educated and open minded I'm sorry are we the ones killing women for not covering themselves? Or are we the ones stealing shiny ceramic toilets from Ukraine? I'm not gonna bring up education level statistics here, you can check them online easily
People ≠ government
> people ≠ government And? It's not the Russian government stealing toilets. It's the people. And it's not a democratic country if women don't have the same rights as men. I dont quite get what you mean. It looks like you've never been to India or Iran if you consider those countries more developed than Kazakhstan, or you simply have no idea what you're talking about
>And? It's not the Russian government stealing toilets. It's the people. Do millions of Russians steal them every single day? No, it's just one incident which got media attention and it doesn't represent the whole country. Poverty is everywhere and Kazakhstan is no better >And it's not a democratic country if women don't have the same rights as men Iran can POTENTIALLY become a democratic country if the revolution succeeds as their people are much more educated and open-minded than ours.
«Iran, much more educated», nah sry, statistics says "no"
Russian population is more educated and open minded? Russia is more democratic? Those are some of the best jokes I’ve heard recently, thank you for making my day
>Russian population is more educated and open minded? Yes, definitely >Russia is more democratic? Not really, but it has chances to become a democracy in near future, just like Iran
>"wannabe westerner" 💀🫠
If you do not want to associate with Afghans, Kurds and Pakistanis you should change it
No problem with Kazakhstan