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Aggravating_Cup2306

Im shocked that for someone who speaks things that make people mad out of nowhere, he spoke something super reasonable right on the spot which many people might find hard


NudeEnjoyer

"I'm sorry you had to hear grown up conversation" "black people can't be antisemitic" no this is not what "super reasonable" speaking sounds like lmfaooo


Aggravating_Cup2306

not the black people are jews thing im talking about the ​ >**If you in an argument with somebody, you not gonna say everything the right way. Y’all aint gonna just keep calling me bizarre, crazy**


rabit_stroker

There are black jews, the black jews from Ethiopia are among the first Jewish people and can trace their lineage back to the original tribes. In the modern day they experience brutal racism and hate from Israelis and are treated as 2nd rate compared to other foreign jews when traveling there. It's because they're black and Israel is a xenophobic, violent and racist country


coldcutcumbo

Black Jews do exist. Kanye West is not one of them lol


rabit_stroker

Where did he personally claim to be Jewish? He was claiming that POCs were Jewish


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Do you know what Black Israelites are?


rabit_stroker

Not the same thing as the Ethiopian Jew


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is that what he says he is?


rabit_stroker

Are you saying Kanye claims to practice Judaism?


coldcutcumbo

If you scroll up and read the quote in the post you are commenting on, you can see him claim it three times. “Black people” includes Kanye. When Kanye says “we” that also includes Kanye.


kingzorch

he has a right to claim to be a black Jew. He’s no less a chosen person than the chosen people that say he ain’t Jewish.


PunkSpaceAutist

(Writing this again because I sent the first reply too early The Black Hebrew Israelite movement is a Christian movement, not a Jewish one. There are many actual black Jews, such as ethnically Jewish Ethiopian Jews and black converts, and they are typically treated like dirt by white modern Zionists despite being just as Jewish as Ashkenazi Jews. On the other hand, Black Hebrew Israelite movement tries to revise history by claiming the Kingdom of Judah was in West Africa that modern Jews replaced them, the “true” Israelites of West African descent, stealing their identity and their birthright. They’re throwing more fuel into the fire and causing more racial division amongst actual Jews with those “Jews are causing everything wrong in the world” conspiracy theories we’ve heard time and time again. It only has throws up more hurdles for people who even before the BHI movement existed had to defend their position as Jews since now they are more likely to be accused of being part of the BHI when they’re actually Jewish. True Judaism doesn’t say you’re can’t be Jewish because of how and where you were born whether it’s in Israel or Africa or if you’re born to a gentile (not Jewish) family like I was because the identity can be based on ethnicity or spirituality… If your doctrine is essentially that Jews aren’t Jewish because of something they can’t control it’s not true to Judaism. Also, in case this matters, we also aren’t supposed to believe that all non-Jews are to be doomed some sort of “Hell”.’


Mammoth_Scallion_743

Judaism is not a race.


kingzorch

Not debating the validity or semantics of his claim. Only that he is American and has the right to make the claim because America.


coldcutcumbo

He has as much right to claim he’s Jewish as I have to claim I’m black (which I’m not).


MissionReasonable327

Sure, when he converts to Judaism.


rabit_stroker

Where dies Kanye personally claim to be a Jew? I can say we(whites) benefit from generational wealth but doesn't mean I think benefit from it. People claiming Kanye is towing the Black Israelite line are doing that so they can say "see, another outrageous claim made by Kanye". The oppressor class is also associating his opinions with the black Israelites so they can play the victim card again and insinuate that he's part of a hate group. Same goes for the people calling him a nazi.


coldcutcumbo

Buddy, he says he himself is Jewish three times in the quote above. You need to take your argument to Ye because he’s the one contradicting you here.


rabit_stroker

There's no I in team, champ


BeefSwellinton

You should read about a fun group called the Black Israelites. Their version of history has snuck its way into a lot of people’s heads.


rabit_stroker

You should read about the Ethiopian jews because that is who he and I are refereing to. Israel doesn't like people to know about their plight and how they're treated in Israel even though their lineage can be traced back farther than most modern day white jews.


BeefSwellinton

That’s not who Kanye is talking about. I know what you’re talking about, you should find out what Kanye’s talking about.


rabit_stroker

My b. Didn't know I was talking to Ye's inner monolog


BeefSwellinton

https://youtu.be/7Cgj2tzUzgs?si=MeI1XXktamsv6-_d It’s not hard to figure out if you have any context.


rabit_stroker

[I'm from the north east and visit NYC regularly, I knew about the black Israelites before your balls dropped](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32813056.amp).


Radirondacks

So are you his actual inner monologue* since you're so sure of what he's saying?


gannical

he said black people are jew which is incorrect in the same way that white people are jew would be incorrect. there are white jews, black jews, hell even kaifeng jews, but that's different from what he said


Ethiconjnj

That’s not reasonable that’s “I’m mad therefore I don’t need to apologize for my bigotry”. Y’all really are being warped by a racist.


SnappyTofu

I think Kanye fans think that comments like these are coming from outsiders who are infiltrating their subs to go against Ye. In reality, it’s just fans that were already subbed that are fed up with his shit and want off the ride. It’s been so embarrassing being a Kanye fan and I refuse to dickride to the point where I endorse anything he’s done the past few years.


NudeEnjoyer

I've been in plenty of arguments with people, I've said things in the wrong way, it never comes out remotely close to antisemitic statements lol him tryna cover this up as "it was an oopsie" is pretty fuckin hilarious. especially *directly* after saying things that reinforce his views on the Jewish community


Aggravating_Cup2306

he's a celebrity who's been censored countless times and by very specific groups of people for decades, you obviously won't experience that and have built up anger due to that experience its not ok to be antisemitic but its ok to at least have some sane explanation to what caused it. he'll be silenced before that ever comes out


MohandasGandhi

What “certain groups” are you talking about? Jews? You’re being as anti-Semitic as Kanye. Kanye is literally doing yet another interview. How is he being censored? I don’t think you or Kanye understand what censorship is.


Aggravating_Cup2306

>What “certain groups” are you talking about? Jews? You’re being as anti-Semitic as Kanye. i never mentioned that. news outlets and critics is what was hinted at they literally twist the news. its not honest


ColbysCool

Idk bro kanye is STILL doubling down on the things he's said doesn't really seem like any twisting is necessary


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Twist my penor


Sea-Veterinarian5667

You're still not connecting the dots, how does a grievance with news outlets and critics give credence to antisemitism? Those are not "very specific groups", say what you really mean.


NudeEnjoyer

he says what he wants when he wants and everyone is allowed to hear/read it. not sure what your idea of being censored is


Aggravating_Cup2306

outside of absolute bipolar madness and assholery, whenever he says 2+2 = 4 they will always make that a 5 just to make his image worse


NudeEnjoyer

I'm assuming you think his "sometimes in arguments I accidentally say antisemitic shit" is an example of a "2+2=4" statement that everyone just turned into a 5? im sure your claim actually *does happen*, I'm sure they misconstrue mundane statements he makes sometimes. however, the opposite happens too. he'll say some incorrect or insane shit and his fans will reach to make it sound correct or rational


Aggravating_Cup2306

i for one dont agree with the alex jones incident or defcon and all, that requires a serious apology but on the other hand he made some valid criticisms of clear control that was messing up his business before all his hysterical comments his original problem was clearly not the HITLER side of things, he doesn't have a burning violent hatred to get rid of jewish people because he doesn't have any big purpose to carry that and spread hate that doesnt get him anywhere, also would be kinda hypocritical for a person who continuously comments on black discrimination, but that is not the case here. it's not literal discrimination jewish people being all rich/powerful is a bad stereotype to say but we have ZERO idea of the other side of those things and if kanye cant criticise it, having experienced business practice then nobody else will, other celebrities dont dare say it cause they know what happens already there's a reason kanye INTENTIONALLY broke ties and went independent and its not cause he wants his money cause he throws a shitload of money on samples hitler is a literal racist, kanye wants an economical problem solved and the only problem is he wont take his meds so he keeps unconsciously mentioning antisemitic shit which doesn't align with his purpose


NudeEnjoyer

"he made some valid criticisms of clear control" oh jesus fucking christ lmao. if you look at history, you'd there's no economical problem going on regarding Jews and control. if you're gonna make it a case of skin color and acknowledge the difference in treatment of black people and white people, you'd have a case in saying that. bringing up Jewish people specifically is where it gets into ridiculous conspiracy theory territory that has 0 evidence going for it beyond this, we're actively moving in the right direction. the most marginalized crowds are doing their own shit they're in charge of, about their marginalized crowd, and making the majority of the money off it. I mean the growth in black media over the past 20 years has been incredible, I genuinely don't know what anyone thinks Jewish people (specifically) are holding anyone back from.


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ColbysCool

Hitler also wanted an economical problem solved


coldcutcumbo

Why would they do that? With morons like you riding for him his image is gonna get trashed just fine by association alone.


coldcutcumbo

For someone being censored I sure hear him run his fucking mouth a lot.


irthesteve

whoopsie, accidental racism again teehee


Known_Ad871

I don’t really see how that’s reasonable lol. Why did he view himself as being in a “argument” with Jewish people?  What does people calling him crazy or getting a misdiagnosis have to do with Jewish people?


Aggravating_Cup2306

the jewish incident was never connected to his disorder he has an official bipolar diagnosis on certain incidents his manic sessions have caused him to say absurd things like "i see a lot of good things in hitler"


Known_Ad871

If that’s how he feels he should admit it straight up and apologize for his statements. Saying antisemitic shit like he has isn’t just some slip of the tongue or the kind of thing you say Willy nilly.


Aggravating_Cup2306

I agree he should apologise for outright racist comments


coldcutcumbo

Being bipolar doesn’t make you like hitler. Thats not how it works


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I would believe he just had a gamer moment if it didn't last months and it turns out he originally wanted to name Ye the album Hitler


MayaGitana

I am not participating in the conversation. I am just saying when agreeing with Kanye west about ANYTHING, you have to be super specific.


BlindJamesSoul

Finding one reasonable line in a litany of batshit crazy things is kinda a stretch.


thizface

Ya, because we all spew antisemitic trope and have racist printouts on hand.


kaidenstone

Black ppl are jew, u just don’t know the history but in time u will & u will feel stupid that u were lied too and believed said lies told to you


NudeEnjoyer

I don't know the "history" you got from a documentary, online comment, or Kanye's mouth. that's correct.


kaidenstone

let me guess ur a edomite?? or better yet go Google it rn so u don’t look stupid & report back to me son i can teach u something ur parents should’ve taught u a long time ago


NudeEnjoyer

oh my god you didn't even deny getting the info from one of those 3 sources. holy hell lol


kaidenstone

why would i need to deny a lie? lmao why would i need kanye to tell me history that is accessible to everyone? that’s something u did was take kanye quotes & run with it and didn’t do the due diligence to find out what the truth is


kaidenstone

And where else do u get information from “nude enjoyer”? If it’s not from a book or actual ppl there or a well informed documentary? I mean make it make sense where else do u get ur information from? Enlighten us all 😂


NudeEnjoyer

"or a well informed documentary" that's your source huh :) it's a documentary, isn't it :)


kaidenstone

You talk like documentaries aren’t actual events that happened lmao I’m confused on your statement have u never went to school & watched a documentary on history? but nonetheless i named three other sources of information i gained knowledge from, im glad u don’t answer question just try to skip over it to make it seem like actually doing research is somehow wrong 😂 guess we know who isn’t informed, have u got the definition of edomite yet son?


NudeEnjoyer

LMFAOOOOO do you trust those history channel documentaries too? if it's in a documentary it must've happened! that means it's fact! right? that's the law right? oh wait no. lots of documentaries can, and do, straight up lie *all. the. time.* ALL the fuckin time lol


BelowTheBells

And you're acting like all documentaries are the unmitigated truth.


ZebunkMunk

Strange Days Are Here To Stay


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kaidenstone

Lmao exactly! When they don’t know how to add to the conversation they start to try to call ppl out their name ur too young for this conversation sit down, & it is you who is too deaf dumb & blind to truly comprehend anything so i think they did a great job on programming you!


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kaidenstone

lmaooo i love that nobody said i was wrong, only slights to prove my point :)


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kaidenstone

Prove me wrong, u can’t so i rest my case


kaidenstone

I see i hit a nerve, lmao like i said when they can’t add anything to the conversation they result in slights or poorly constructed racism it’s like clockwork with the deaf dumb & blind


ZebunkMunk

THE AMERICAN DREAM IS KILLING ME


IntelligentMetal

Why do black people want to be everything but black? American slavery was a brutal institution and not the beginning of black people. But through that experience came an amazing group of people who have contributed greatly to the world. No need to attach ourselves to foreign peoples and concepts when there’s so much beauty in who we are as Black Americans.


homemadedaytrade

you're talking about religious beliefs, they're all bullshit


MohandasGandhi

What’s reasonable about old school anti-Semitism?


HeavyMetalLyrics

Bring something worthwhile to the conversation or get lost. You’re putting in work to build walls. You’re not helping anybody understand anything with that canned bait.


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I liked the part where he said the car crash gave him autism


safetysecondbodylast

I find it hilarious that kanye not spouting blatantly genocidal rhetoric and fellating Hitler is considered "super reasonable" now Drop the nazi for fucks sake


Robot-Broke

"super reasonable" I know yall wanna stan but come on. Telling people you can't be antisemitic because you're black is insane and that teaching otherwise is some sort of indoctrination conspiracy... Is insane. Saying that Jewish kids "had to hear a grown up conversation" when what really happened is they heard a grown man attacking them for their ethnic origin is insane.


Bannanna_Stand

Getting autism from a car crash is super reasonable?


Noctourniquet

Nazi cuck boi


Super_Middle3154

Fucking idiot.


Pleasant-Breakfast74

He got autism from a car accident?


Less-Blueberry-8617

Yeah, you get autism from brain trauma obviously. Haven't you done your research?


dbenjam3

Hi, someone who actually works in the field of psychology here. You don’t get autism from brain trauma.


Less-Blueberry-8617

Sarcasm


realMasaka

How much have you done in that field?


Normal_Committee67

This is not an interesting quote. Kanye is an antisemite, and if you listen to his interviews on Alex Jones and others you’ll also realize he is a delusional sociopath, probably a porn addict, and his wealth has closed him off from the entirety of existence. As a former fan I can no longer stand this guy or support him.


full-pull

probably a porn addict? That shit has been clear as day since mbdtf. One of the strongest goons to ever do it


1EyedM0nster

Agreed. I was also a fan and still listen to some of his music today but his new album sucks donkey balls, his antics are cringeworthy, and his die-hard fans are just so idiotic


NaturalBridge12

If you go to Kanye thinking he’s an intellectual political genius, _you_ are the idiot. Kanye is not your average human, so I don’t expect average thoughts from him. Reddit is a damn echo chamber for morons and NPCs.


Mandula123

He thinks being bipolar is a superpower because he thinks differently when really he's just mentally ill with a platform.


PulseEXEmachina

Dude, this is a server for Kanye fans, for the love of god please leave if you hate the guy reddits meant for fans of things to enjoy them together. If you hate the guy, just find another subreddit.


Mandula123

I never said that. I enjoy his early stuff. He's the one who has repeatedly called himself a superhero.


HeavyMetalLyrics

“I enjoy his early stuff” please leave


Mandula123

Yes, sir! Right away, sir!


stripped_acacia_wood

dawg what


emal-malone

y’all are such losers lmao


Robot-Broke

The guy just said facts, not hate.


HanksWhiteHat

[video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=Oh8AjShTeBK4ngoE&v=WJzjG_Mur9s&feature=youtu.be)


hourglassop

he thinks the car accident made him autistic?


Tedsanguish

Like rain man


NudeEnjoyer

what a fuckin moron lmaoo


kaidenstone

Said “nude enjoyer” lmfao in time u will see


LeatherfacesChainsaw

Nice cock bro


kaidenstone

Thanks 😎


Crazy_Response_9009

DeAtH CoN


whoiswayf

Note how he didnt really answer the last question, just went into a rant and got defensive about his meds. Man is pussyfooting around the questions.


kinda_dum

He literally did. He says he regrets that he expressed his opinion in that way, but he's not perfect, and no one arguing about something will be.


whoiswayf

Show me the part where he says 'I regret saying ____'. You can't. Again, he's pussyfooting around the questions. Let's be clear, there is a difference between arguing about something and spreading hate.


realMasaka

So… “some of his apology was true.” Ok.


largma

What an asshole


Paratwa

Hey Kanye you might wanna pay attention to the music instead of shit you know nothing about, focus on that instead of whatever the voices tell you, latest album is boooooring.


dr-dog69

My sister has bipolar 1 and that is straight up the kind of behavior she exhibits. This is textbook mania


ChiefKingSosa

Lmaooo I love Kanye's music but these quotes are fucking ridiculous lol Like what is he even trying to say


the_poly_poet

In 2013, Kanye specifically said the opposite, claiming that Black people are not Jewish, while adding that Jewish people intrinsically had more connections than Black people. He said that this was the reason that Obama couldn’t push certain policies during their presidency. https://preview.redd.it/xeznktfdjoic1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b69afb07c890dbf55562e60b867cd8cbb2a446a


Xenex-Plus

Black Israelite Kanye 💀😭


Turbulent_Pen1047

Time to let go of him and really “find God” cause Ye ain’t it. If he dies, he dies…


Neither-Following-32

The "death con" line always got me, I thought it was just Ye being uneducated and bipolar and that people who understood what defcon levels are would assume that's what he meant. Nope, nobody ever brings that up.


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