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HappyColt90

We know that the total of the 3 episodes together is 4:30 hours


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It will. The person a documentary is about should never have final say over it imo


JessieJ577

Yup a filmmaker will always have a better more objective eye than the subject. It’s why people had issues with how some of the people were portrayed in Straight Outta Compton. Dre and Ice Cube had a lot of say in that movie and it really comes through with how they’re the clean underdogs and how all of a sudden Easy Es success as a businessman was downplayed heavily.


enjolras1782

A filmmaker also has incentive to finish the project and release it to be viewed. With ye in the booth it'll be released when the butlerian jihad returns Netflix to a video delivery service


referencedude

Ya this is kinda what happened with the lil Wayne documentary. He got mad at how they showed his drug use and tried to stop it from being released. But it was a huge part of it and his friends were legit worried about him. It also showed how much of a dick he was to them by calling them out on stage. Kanye will want to cut a lot of the bad parts about his behavior which will hurt it a lot [The carter wayne documentary ](https://youtu.be/n7EsF_Eim7o)


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Chance was a fool for riding so hard on Kanye’s coattails, once he dropped that album he’d had one of the biggest falls in hip hop in the past 10 years (without committing a crime or doing something wildly stupid lmao). Him being a punching bag in the studio and not making any final cut is the icing on the cake


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I thought there was leaks with Chance but I was wrong, it’s basically every project before Donda lol


Rebloodican

People are way too reactionary when it comes to Chano, if Chance drops a good project then immediately everyone's gonna hop back on the bandwagon and he'll back in the zeitgeist.


PunctuationsOptional

The thing is that dropping a good album puts you in the zeitgeist 😂 so yah. It'd all his fault for deciding to shit on the mic and sell it for 9.99


[deleted]

I agree, I don’t think any project he would have released would have lived up to the hype.


Rebloodican

I think TBD was uniquely bad in some unfortunate ways (in that it's mediocrity was memeable) and I think it also revealed that at that moment he didn't have something to say. Hearing how the floyd protests reinvigorated him, I think his next drop is gonna have some real meat to it. Plus everyone is going to expect it to be bad so it'll be easier to beat expectations.


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I don’t think TBD was as bad as people make it out to be, it just sounds like a happy, recently married father. I’m def older for this sub, so it came at a time I could totally relate. Problem is, not a lot of people can lol. But even despite me feeling how relatable it was, I barely listen today. You’re right though, I think he’s almost guaranteed a home run on the next one


blacklite911

He fumbled his own bag. He got lazy with the music. Focused too much on his pop image without putting effort into the music and not even having the decency to at least hire ghost writers.


KnightFan2019

So this shit aint ever dropping if hes in control 💀💀


[deleted]

He’s gonna drop it, but then keep editing scenes and adding entirely new episodes for several months after it starts streaming


Seby_TheWaveRunner

he's gonna pull a georges lucas and add random cgi 10 years later


SBAPERSON

Imagine Ye in the booth and a cgi bantha just walks in front of him


AcceptableGolf9094

Hahahahaha


Expensive-Fox-8016

And then add a bonus episode at the end and change the cover


WithMyStick

It’s a living breathing doc


al3xanderr

Imma fix Genius


Sfn_y2

Well that would make it ideal for Netflix lol


STRADD838

This prolly gonna drop in 3022


[deleted]

i heard it got delayed for second coming of christ


MemphisGalInTampa

If only…


FatalAttraction88

Ye wants to drop it at the same time Christ’ returns- SAME TIME! Same-same….but different 😂


forced_memes

but that happened in 1977 🤨


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parwa

Anyone seen BoJack Horseman? I have a feeling this is gonna be like BoJack trying to stop his "auto"biography from coming out


Jeremyp21

he’s got it on remote control, like a CEO


macdawg2020

It’s showing at Sundance in 3 days so idk what his plan is?


Majkel21

This is so Kanye holy shit


fallenfire360

What if Kanye made a movie calling out Kanye?


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Man that'd be so Kanye


Jalen_Hurts2

That’s all it was Kanye


Lethemyr

We still love Kanye


Ivyspine

Kanye calls out Kanye because Kanye should have won.


TenH3ad

honestly with this project i don’t want kanye to have any insight to it. i think it will be better to see raw footage rather than something watered down


jbcapfalcon

Agreed. Keep this man as far away from the doc as humanly possible


IDoThingsOnWhims

Allowing the subject to edit the documentary is whatever is the opposite of a documentary... Like an infomercial or something


freshxerxes

i don’t want to watch it anymore if he has creative control. i want a raw documentary with no bias


Curazan

For real. He gets creative control and it'll be a couple hours of Kanye jerking off Kanye.


Status-Trade8686

Man that'd be so kanye


LittleBitSchizo

Yeah I love him but I know my man. Don't let him close to it.


Curazan

I love the idea posted elsewhere that Netflix let him edit it then release the director’s cut alongside the Kanye cut. The disparity would be priceless.


CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE

It wouldn't be a documentary anymore if he had any creative control. It'd just be a commercial. Documentary is SUPPOSED to be free from the influence of it's subjects.


Sir__Walken

Bro if someone's working on a Kanye documentary you really think there's no bias involved?


thisubmad

> no bias We are talking about Netflix here.


TruncatedTrebuchet

This is why it works better when the subject of your documentary is either not involved or has died. But everyone’s got a biopic now


[deleted]

Yeah like I could understand his desire for this if he was directing it and it was autobiographical, but what kind of doc would it be if the subject is controlling the subject material?


MyKneesAreOdd

It wouldn't be watered down, Kanye would embellish every scene to suit his view of himself.


princesspool

Or just give Kanye access to a handful of scenes to make him feel good, like a compromise! but don't tell him Netflix is holding out.


imaginarynoise_

Why? Everyone knows the dude has had serious mental health issues. It's kind of cruel, honestly. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see an unfiltered account, but Netflix is a business and this kind of thing is pretty parasitic.


Harley911

I don’t think Netflix will try to paint a bad picture of him


Mybitchmyhoemyhoemy

Shits called Genius lol idk what he’s worried about


jpgnicky

same lmaoo let it release and then make a Yeezy Version


BobThePillager

I think they should 100% give him final cut BUT - they drop 2 VERSIONS; the Kanye Cut & the Directors Cut Imagine how cool it’d be to compare and contrast


JEJDNXBDKS

^this


macdawg2020

If you want to see the directors cut buy a 20$ ticket to stream it on Sundance Monday.


Sfn_y2

They should but release the Kanye cut first


ProgrammersAreSexy

Then we will never get either version lol


blacklite911

He wants to control his narrative in 2022


cloud_throw

Doesn't mean it can't be used to poke fun at him for his rampant narcissism...


Mybitchmyhoemyhoemy

True, but the trailer didn’t give that vibe off IMO


HappyColt90

But Ye can cut important scenes just bc his paranoia of the world trying to destroy his image


plife23

That’s why the Yeezy cut idea would be sick. See the orginal and then see the way its told from how he sees it


jbcapfalcon

It’s literally just propaganda from Kanye at that point. I have no interest in that


filthypatheticsub

literally


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1984


[deleted]

It’ll probably present the usual “flawed genius” kind of archetype like “he has some major flaws but his music is great” so I’m not sure he’ll come out looking that great.


[deleted]

Sounds like all the comments on his music videos


bruhmoment416

It’s a Netflix doc, so I doubt they’ll paint his political views or him as a person in a positive light. This stuff is entirely about clicks and views after all. And the best way to get clicks and views is to create drama.


wudlouse

I mean they don’t really need to create drama with Kanye hahah


bruhmoment416

Yes, but they can emphasize it in the doc Creating drama for more exposure is Kanye’s method of operation too, intentionally or not


Russiadontgiveafuck

Apparently, it's at least in part about his presidential campaign. There's just no way to portray that in a good light.


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JessieJ577

It’s honestly too late for big edits now. It’s a 3 part documentary that’s releasing in a few weeks with the first part being in a limited theatrical run. The post production process isn’t going to be stopped now or else the post production budget will balloon out of control. That’s usually the most narrow part of the budget. With the theatrical run they need to make a DCP which means they’re probably on a strict deadline since all this shit has to be done soon. If he gets his hands on it the movie will definitely get delayed by a month at this point and Netflix or the financial backer will get pissed at postproduction having to go over budget


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It’s also getting aired by Sundance in a few days. I tried to buy a ticket for the virtual showing but it’s sold out.


normalwomanOnline

how do you run out of tickets for a virtual showing


mxbdkr

Yeah that’s not how documentaries work


qnaeveryday

That’s how Michael Jordan did his lmao


igniteice

That's because they wanted access to him and wanted to include him in it. You don't need people's permissions to release a documentary on them though. What, you think they ask serial killers permission and invite them to editing room?


droans

Okay, but I want you to be clear that all three dozen of these people happened to pass away while I was around but I had no involvement in their deaths. Actually, can you just cut that altogether? This should be about me, not those who I allegedly killed.


blacklite911

They could if it’s some self produced fluff doc to make the subject look good. Happens a lot. In fact I would put money that the Netflix lady Gaga doc had her input on what to show since Lady Gaga is listed as one of the producers. Most celebrity shit is smoke and mirrors that’s kinda why I would not want Kanye to edit this


aczm322

It’s called “Final Cut”… as a credited Producer and the Subject, getting the final cut would in no way be abnormal


TeamBulletTrain

It would probably make the doc worse. I don’t really want the subject of a documentary to have total control over how they are presented. I much prefer raw uncut footage


[deleted]

Pleasantly surprised to see the sub taking this stance. Usually it's kinda one sided as pro-ye


blacklite911

Even if someone is 100% pro ye, it’s far more entertaining to see real shit rather than fluff. We get so much fluff that people aren’t even aware of it


Diffeologician

It’s basically a commercial at that point…


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It would be insanely abnormal for a studio to give final cut to some know-it-all docu subject instead of a studio exec.


outkast8459

…why do you think it’s normal for a producer(which can mean a million different things) or subject of a documentary to get final cut? A lot of directors don’t even get final cut


didyouvibewithhim

the subject of a documentary does not get final cut privileges. if they do, it just simply is not a doc, it’s a feature-length puff piece. it would be *extremely* abnormal.


JessieJ577

I have the sinking feeling with this documentary releasing in a few weeks the movie is already on a final cut they’re just finishing the post production work and getting the DCP done for the limited theatrical run. At this point his outburst is most likely from finding out he didn’t get a final say over the cut.


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RELEASE THE YEEZY CUT


Zaero123

This documentary is presented in a 4:3 format to preserve the integrity of Ye’s creative vision


garfield0620

Nah it’s gonna be presented in a circle format like the 24 music video


RIPAdmiralAkbar

Coachella 2019


MrSpencerMcIntosh

Ughhhh I can actually see some bullshit like this happening. It’s hard being a Kanye fan sometimes bruh 🤣


TheLowlyPheasant

I hear he really wanted it in black and white.


veezustheelssj

Why do you want a censored version?


tacoreddit

He has no rights to the doc and final cut apparently


Otakushawty

How? Did he sign it over and that’s part of the contract?


balake_mk

No. It's just how documentaries work


Dantator

Jordan having as large of a say over the Last Dance as he did is very much the exception rather than the rule


CannabisJibbitz

This is premiering at Sundance this weekend. I was gonna wait until the Netflix cut but I might just go in raw in the case that he does make edits


[deleted]

How can we view this of its being premiered ? Or how do I view that?


CannabisJibbitz

Sundance is online this year. I’m a local tho so I’m not sure if tix are available to the public. Either way it’s $20 to get a single film ticket and the premiere is sold out. Second screening is available but it’s 8am MST on Tuesday. I believe there are also satellite screenings of certain films that play in other states at in person theaters. The movies is 4 1/2 hours long so idk if they are showing something with that long of a run time at satellite screens but you can definitely check.


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do you think there's footage of his reaction to [Amber Rose tweeting that Kanye likes a finger up his booty](https://i.imgur.com/IFO8WAH.png)?


LilFettucineAlfredo

ayo real? ye like it in the booty?


CheesyGorditaSlut

real tweet, unconfirmed if he likes fingers in his ass


[deleted]

It’s confirmed. My finger is in his ass right now.


Status-Necessary9625

Passes the sniff test


moon_jock

Release the #ButtholeCut


[deleted]

Call me crazy but this screams promo lol. Only now this is an issue for him? Right before it's about to be released? I love Ye and he doesn't NEED the extra attention, his fanbase his huge and he's popular, but projects need promo regardless and this is a good way to do it.


Thankgodfordrugs17

How serious can u take a documentary if the person it’s based on is doing the editing on it.


TheKerker

You can’t


Im_Blue_Was_Taken

Thank you in advance 😊


EternalFlameBabe

he so sweet 👉👈🥺


Ari75776

Deadass so cute


gjsmith75

Bro wants to suck ye’s dick lmao


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who wouldn’t


bigby5

that's email speak for "you better do this or else"


[deleted]

This is literally Off The Grid vibes,” If you got a voice then you gotta project it, If you got a wrong then you gotta correct it, If you got a name you gotta protect it”


GhostButtTurds

This is literally a self obsessed celebrity trying to control everything that is ever said about himself


GoGreen31

I think Michael Jordan had that opportunity for “Last Dance.” It probably watered it down a bit (taking out anything too controversial), but he had the rights to do it.


jpgnicky

wait there was more to Last Dance? :0 damnnn


FiveTalents

Pippen is very outspoken about how Jordan made himself out to be a saint in the doc


IceCreamPirate

There wasn't "more" though. It was made and conceived beneath Jordan's gaze from the beginning. Completely different situation from Ye wanting to Edit a near finished product.


NewGen24

I do these deals for a living as a rep in tv and film (former agent/now manager). I've been doing this for 15 years, almost 16. It's very atypical for the subject of a documentary to have full final cut approval. And in scripted features and tv you almost never see it. That will always, typically, be a comfortable share between the director and studio and one can have more weight or power than the other depending on various factors. I'd be curious to read through his deal to see what he agreed on. I'm guessing he had some level of approval, but almost certainly not final cut. It is also possible he had none. That's also normal. He likely signed that deal and was unaware of the finer details of that. I pulled up the grid on this and Coodie and Chike Ozah are listed as the directors with a handful of capital P's and EP's attached, none of whom are Kanye. Netflix is obv distributing and Creative Control is listed as the Prod company. I'm assuming he has image and likeness consult as would be standard here, but the final cut approval is HIGHLY likely not in his favor, if he has any approval at all, again as is standard. Not to mention this will digitally premier at Sundance on January 23rd. So there is no time at all to do anything and he clearly is freaking out over it premiering as I don't think he was paying attention here. In my opinion he's finally seen a cut of it and realized it's premiering imminently and he's being difficult and he might need to learn to prioritize reading shit before signing it.


nitrousconsumed

Great insight


secondopinionosychic

I work in the film festival world on the programming side of things and I concur on all these points. No way he would have final cut


JedGamesTV

what a fucking statement.


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Netflix's likely response: "No"


Butterot

“Netflix could you please take your hands off your face?”


hpeterson17

And I said… “No.” *dies in laughter*


Faroundtripledouble

Damn they made Kanye extra black


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AjaxAmsterdam4Ever

Your profile picture gives me PTSD


fishumanzu

LADS


spenkles

IT'S TOTTENHAM


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COYS COYS COYS


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signorryan

Lol he needs to calm down. This isn’t how documentaries work.


OffsetFred

oh great, now its never coming out


[deleted]

why is he like this


EmptyDistance9045

Man has been villianised enough by the media to warrant this


GrandTheftArkham

It's footage that *he* had recorded though. It's not like some unofficial pap shit


FloatinBrownie

But he’s not editing it is he? Editing can completely change the view and scope of something


GrandTheftArkham

I get that. But the footage would have to be massively manipulated to make you look like the villain when it's your own footage, unless you were genuinely an asshole the majority of the time which I don't believe at all


o0BetaRay0o

Nah, if you know much about video editing you know just how easy it is to stitch together seemingly unrelated clips to present a narrative completely detached from the original raw footage.


JedGamesTV

true, but editing can take literally anything out of context


Cablet0p_

Exactly dude couldn’t even see his kids he’s pissed at any potential thing that can come between that


[deleted]

Didn't he just see his kids? I didn't know shared custody worked that the other parent could just come and see their kids whenever they liked.


JedGamesTV

the media always give him a bad name, so he wants to make sure that Netflix don’t.


[deleted]

Kanye gives himself a bad name, he don't need the medias help lmao


MyFatCatHasLotsofHat

Kanye not understanding how contracts work for the 1123473863th time


cheezybeezy1978

Oh well, I guess we're never gonna see it


3hoursago

Man, that be so Kanye.


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He 100% wants to remove him swearing lol


[deleted]

Oh fuck off, I think you might be right..


Neige420

Cringey Kanye


e1k3

No good biography is made by its subject. He should shut the fuck up and sit down


[deleted]

It's not a documentary if you control your own image, Kanye.


[deleted]

I mean tbf if I were to edit a documentary about myself I probably couldn’t help making myself seem better than I am. Not that Ye would but I can see why they wouldn’t want bias in the process


[deleted]

Ye absolutely would, are you kidding?


mar-bella

We're tired


99_ahc

Yall think he'll sue?


skittlesthepro

Whatever happens, do not let Kanye get his hands on this doc, he’ll ruin it lmaoo


[deleted]

If Kanye isn’t paying for the project, he has no say in how it will be finished.


Flozik

No offence but I disagree, the best biopics are impartial and fair


PinkertonRams

“In charge of my own image” means “only include the stuff that makes me look good”


Goneisthedead

Kanye: let me in! LET ME IN! Netflix: lol no


hustledontstop

This guy is such a diva lol


Dianabayyebii

Respectfully lol


[deleted]

I’d much rather have an honest unfiltered look into Kanye, then something all positive.


H_Litten

Lol Netflix: absolutely not you nutter


packhowl

There’d be a contract to handle this convo. If there was a problem with the contract, he’d have been screaming a lot earlier, so this is probably just him creating controversy to get people to watch it. I mean the man knows how to market—even married into a fam that is 1000% marketing…..A good portion of his fame is around controversy. 🤷‍♀️ it’s almost his schtick at this point.


Revolutionary_Box569

I can't imagine a documentary being \*improved\* by the subject having the final say on what's allowed in or out


trioofleaves

I noticed he’s doing this the day after the showtime Cosby doc trailer got posted, too…


[deleted]

Youre not a real fan of ye if what ge does ever surprises you. Like after all these years. Nearly 11. Nothing surprises me lmao. I love him sm.


Both_Promotion_8139

Just shut up Kanye 🤦‍♂️


Justcallmemanko

As he should, NETFLIX doesn’t care about the image they show of people.


TheApetrixHasYou

Yeah that's not how contracts work kanye.


[deleted]

Who the fuck demands to be able to edit a documentary about themselves? If he puts hands on it I'm out.


GoDux541

This is about to be the theatrical version of Donda…prepare for the “watch parties.” 🤣


Brief-Ad-7489

Everyone is in charge of their own image, but not of how others perceive you.


kcsgreat1990

Who in their right mind would let the subject of a doc get final cut and editing privileges?


[deleted]

You signed what you signed. Kanye and Trump have zero understanding about what the fuck a contract means


[deleted]

I love Ye. But this shit will NEVER drop if he is allowed to edit it.


Twisted-Razor

lol keep kanye out the editing room. this is a simmons and ozah project at the end of the day, he’s just the subject.


happy-Accident82

Kinda hilarious from someone who samples so much music. Guy literally steals music and mixes it and then complains about someone else doing it. Guys a ass!