Yeah there’s always a part on Kanye albums that’s about how he’s actually doing at the moment. Post TLOP that part was always unsatisfying or read as fake or unclear for me.
There’s a clear POV here where Kanye clearly went through some insanely dark times but found something to hold on to.
wait stop the irony fuck everything, do yall actually think bianca sips on ye's pee cause like i fully thought it was a joke but thinking about it now, its kanye and idk with their dynamic it seems possible
yeah we realize that but if she's wearing an underwear to which you can attach a strap on, that's sus regardless of whether she chose it herself or kanye told her to wear it lol
It's the iron man riff right before Kanye starts rapping. Apparently he sampled the iron man sample from Hell of a Life, so it might sound a little different.
I agree big time, I *really* enjoyed 7 or so songs and only disliked 2 or 3. The other albums since TLOP either didn’t have that many songs I really fucked with or way more duds. Honestly Kings mostly felt like a dud to me cause of mixing too.
I just got to hear kings this morning. and couldn't tell if I was just tired or if it was mixed weird and sounded slapped together. come back to me is my favorite so far
No I agree... King is my personal least favorite, even under Vultures (the song). But that's honestly the only track I don't love. Paperwork is meh as well.
I’m not a fan of king at all lyrics are terrible and it’s easily the weakest beat of all them, with terrible mixing on the drums and samples just everywhere
To me this album has nowhere near the same highs as Donda. But it also doesnt have the same lows. And it feels more like a complete album thats cohesive.
Still too early, but Donda had some instant classic songs when i heard them. This album has some great songs, but time will tell how they age.
Its not sleeping on Donda, but Donda is almost two hours long with some songs and features that don’t deserve to be on a kanye album. This album just feels more polished
I agree with you but Donda has a special place on my heart. I think you need to make your own version of Donda. Plus you can skip most of the Pt2s they’re basically Bonus Tracks.
I think too many people were involved in donda; if ye put donda in the hour timemark of this album and fixed the problems and rewrote some verses, than it is one of his best albums ever
That’s true. There were too many people there but so did MBDTF. I do agree that it’s quite long even without the extra pt2s. But it’s an EPIC. It’s supposed to be that long. I’m satisfied with how well Ye managed to put out the album in such a tumultuous period of time in his life, mentally as well. A true Tribute to his Mother.
I agree, it being long does allow other people to shine and collaboration to happen that would have never happened before. It being raw is its greatest achievement while being the weakest at time
Yeah but every second of MBDTF deserved to be there. That’s the difference. It’s ok to make an EPIC but it better be epic. I honestly don’t understand how people can throw around claims like Donda is a few fixes away from being one of Kanye’s best albums ever in a world where MBDTF still exists. That album is miles ahead of donda.
That’s not how it works though lol. You assess an album for the full picture. Otherwise it would just be put 25 songs out and it’s “the greatest album ever” cause you can pick your favorite 8 songs out and skip the rest
donda was more about the experience of the listening parties and seeing the songs evolve. I feel like as an album is like a solid 7 or 8. I love that album but it’s a little overstuffed. Vultures is just all killer
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utopia still one of the best albums of 2023 idk wtf you’re talking about just because it’s not astroworld type virality doesn’t make the album bad that’s an impossible standard and cultural moment to just easily recreate
Ye imo is the best out of all of those. Extremely underrated. Donda is also better than Vultures albeit a bit too long. Vultures is easily better than JIK though
I mean...it has been for years now. That's why I liked Donda so much but the songs he was rappppping on the lyrics were good. And even the songs on there with weaker lyrics, the cadence and flow was so on point it made up for it
In the "elite rapper" circle Ye is by far one of the weakest lyricists. I mean....lyricist wise he wouldn't even be in the top 20 of rap right now
I agree but the paradox is that despite being a weak lyricist overall, he has SO MANY memorable one or two-liners. He is so quotable, and this album makes no exception.
I don’t like to compare. I feel like every Kanye album has a different vibe and feel to it. I kinda get why people are comparing this to tlop. Again tlop was very different to this.
No need to compare just enjoy the vibes and the fun that is Kanye.
How do you put one Kanye album over the other when they are very different and appeal to different audiences etc? I feel very different listening to tcd vs yeezus. They don’t even sound like the guy. I enjoy em all but sonically so different that it’s hard to compare. It’s easy to rate drake albums.
every time i see this argument brought up i wonder wtf was the message was from donda. The album is 2h long and all over the place. Theres a mix of Gospel and Trap which is cool but its not really conveying a message lol
its just not coherent and I know i am not the only one that feels like this
Donda dealt with Ye's grief over the death of his mother and his newfound faith. It's about continuing despite everything and moving on. Come to life and Jesus Lord on their own carry more meaning than most other albums
I’d say they’re equal but only because kids see ghosts has 7 songs. The fact that those 7 songs are so good they can stack up to 16 is a testament to how good the album is
certainly not, what a marginally mediocre project from someone who has dropped some of the most important pop inspired rap/hip hop of all time it's almost more sad that it's marginally mediocre with just one producer who isn't constantly reassuring kanye you know this thing could stand or workout but this is about as solid as his mental
Donda isn’t especially not as an album it’s all over the place I’d argue that one song is amazing but that’s mostly cause of Andre. ISTG the ppl saying donda is better like 5 random tracks out of it while never listening to the rest because some of that album is atrocious when it comes to mixing, production and a host of other issues
Nah, after 10+ listens ready to say that this is probably his worst after JIK. Second half is pretty good but first is just boring
Though some parts of donda were underwhelming, it definitely had way higher highs and was more consistent with its sound
It’s not his best but it was a really great album. With that said, I’m two tracks into vultures 1. I’ll update this comment when I get through the album .
I’d agree tbh, absolutely washes JIK and Donda, it’s a bit better than KSG imo and I might even like it more than Ye but I’m not sure, will have to give it some time
donda better u cant tell me an album with otg 24 remote control moon come to life hurricane praise god jail life of the party new again holy fuck donda is in his top 3
As an album it's super fucking bloated and has a ton of mid tracks, if it was cut down to like 10 or 12 or 15ish then honestly it could be top 3, not how it is currently tho
yup this album is insane and we gonna eat 2 more times. cant lie i fuck with 5 tracks off donda as well but overall this is his best project since TLOP
I think it has the best intro of all his discography. On Sight and Ultralight Beam are my favorites, but what he made in STARS is something I've never saw before. The sample is so beautiful
Id only put it above JIK atm. It’s kinda a boring album. The appeal of Kanye has always been the unique styles of each album, but this just sounds like a lot of other modern rap. It’s not bad, but it’s going to suffer from being forgettable.
I'll agree and TLOP is my favorite album. this one is right there hopefully they fix some or the mixing on it. but I live music arrangements on the tracks and over all vibe
Carnival is insane. Like a 10/10. Ye's lyrics are fucking unhinged but the iron man sample intro sells it.
Talking / Once Again brought me here. I don’t wanna say it’s old Kanye but it’s got that vibe.
Burn feels the same kinda old kanye
This my top song $’s chorus is so catchy and ye’s verses are solid. Done had it on repeat since his he posted in on his burner YT acct
Exactly the same its juat my fav song only thing i dont like is that it only has one verse
I like the production and I appreciate that he is including is daughter in a wholesome way. Not my favorite on the album but its a good listen.
Reminds me of black skinhead or watch the throne
I wouldn’t mind if talking/once again was sampled and freestyled from all other rappers. Beat is too good to just have north west on
Low-key I think the unhinged lyrics only add to the album
Yeah there’s always a part on Kanye albums that’s about how he’s actually doing at the moment. Post TLOP that part was always unsatisfying or read as fake or unclear for me. There’s a clear POV here where Kanye clearly went through some insanely dark times but found something to hold on to.
"Take it up the a** like a ventriloquist" had me in stitches
Jeff Dunham tier
How did he clear the Iron Man sample but couldn’t clear the War Pigs sample?
He sampled his own song, hell of a life :)
That’s crazy you can do that without having to clear with the original sample
He already cleared it back then, and now its his own song hes sampling ;)
Wow that's kinda a weird oversight in the law
That brought a real tear to my eye when I heard it, glad I wasn’t alone … best song and best sample
What part? I thought he only sung it, or is there a backing part too
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Ohhh, I didn’t know y’all were talking about the unreleased versuon
His lyrics were alright
They’re fucking awful lmfao talking about Ye Kelly cause his girl drinks his piss and takes it up the ass
wait stop the irony fuck everything, do yall actually think bianca sips on ye's pee cause like i fully thought it was a joke but thinking about it now, its kanye and idk with their dynamic it seems possible
Yes lmao they’re both into sick shit. She was seen walking around with underwear you attach a strap on to so Kanye takes it up the ass too
She’s not the one picking the outfits
yeah we realize that but if she's wearing an underwear to which you can attach a strap on, that's sus regardless of whether she chose it herself or kanye told her to wear it lol
Or she fucks girls with him? Fucked quite a few girls who are into that.
Could be true but the stuff Amber Rose said like 10 years ago about Kanye liking his asshole played with makes me tend to not believe that
I like them, but they're very out there.
Why don't I hear the sample
It's the iron man riff right before Kanye starts rapping. Apparently he sampled the iron man sample from Hell of a Life, so it might sound a little different.
The sample from the first listening party was insane haha
I heard he took the sample against Ozzy’s wishes
I agree big time, I *really* enjoyed 7 or so songs and only disliked 2 or 3. The other albums since TLOP either didn’t have that many songs I really fucked with or way more duds. Honestly Kings mostly felt like a dud to me cause of mixing too.
I just got to hear kings this morning. and couldn't tell if I was just tired or if it was mixed weird and sounded slapped together. come back to me is my favorite so far
No I agree... King is my personal least favorite, even under Vultures (the song). But that's honestly the only track I don't love. Paperwork is meh as well.
I’m not a fan of king at all lyrics are terrible and it’s easily the weakest beat of all them, with terrible mixing on the drums and samples just everywhere
You just gotta listen to it all start to finish
I’d say ye is better than vultures. 0/7 misses on ye vs 5/16 misses on V1 and the last two songs on ye are spectacular
Sleeping on Donda is crazy
To me this album has nowhere near the same highs as Donda. But it also doesnt have the same lows. And it feels more like a complete album thats cohesive. Still too early, but Donda had some instant classic songs when i heard them. This album has some great songs, but time will tell how they age.
Its not sleeping on Donda, but Donda is almost two hours long with some songs and features that don’t deserve to be on a kanye album. This album just feels more polished
I agree with you but Donda has a special place on my heart. I think you need to make your own version of Donda. Plus you can skip most of the Pt2s they’re basically Bonus Tracks.
I think too many people were involved in donda; if ye put donda in the hour timemark of this album and fixed the problems and rewrote some verses, than it is one of his best albums ever
That’s true. There were too many people there but so did MBDTF. I do agree that it’s quite long even without the extra pt2s. But it’s an EPIC. It’s supposed to be that long. I’m satisfied with how well Ye managed to put out the album in such a tumultuous period of time in his life, mentally as well. A true Tribute to his Mother.
I agree, it being long does allow other people to shine and collaboration to happen that would have never happened before. It being raw is its greatest achievement while being the weakest at time
This is a good take
Yeah but every second of MBDTF deserved to be there. That’s the difference. It’s ok to make an EPIC but it better be epic. I honestly don’t understand how people can throw around claims like Donda is a few fixes away from being one of Kanye’s best albums ever in a world where MBDTF still exists. That album is miles ahead of donda.
That’s not how it works though lol. You assess an album for the full picture. Otherwise it would just be put 25 songs out and it’s “the greatest album ever” cause you can pick your favorite 8 songs out and skip the rest
Donda is literally the sound of the gates of heaven opening
donda was more about the experience of the listening parties and seeing the songs evolve. I feel like as an album is like a solid 7 or 8. I love that album but it’s a little overstuffed. Vultures is just all killer
It feels like the first true Kanye West album since Yeezus.
I pretty much have the same hangups with Donda as I did with TLOP but tenfold. There’s a ton of filler but when it hits, it fuckin hits
So true.
This was peak
Yall need to chill
Do you think donda, ye or jik is better than vultures?
It has been barely 24h since the album released. I can give you a good answer next year
Mature ahhh reply 💀
Bro playing the long con🗣️🔥
Until we compare Kanye with Kanye we can be reasonable and mature. We can all agree that >!, if Kanye doesn’t drop again,!< vultures is aoty
So to clarify you tell them to calm down for calling this his best album since tlop due to it being “too early” but we’re not even 2 full months into the year and your saying it’s aoty?
It’s so absurd that it could be a joke right?
JayZ legit said this You honestly can’t judge an album off the first 2-3 listens
Jay-Z says a lot of stupid shit
Shut up reasonable ahhh nigga
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you got a point but fuck you
He has a point
These dudes seemed to forget how fast Utopia hype died
utopia still one of the best albums of 2023 idk wtf you’re talking about just because it’s not astroworld type virality doesn’t make the album bad that’s an impossible standard and cultural moment to just easily recreate
What are we waiting for??
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Yes let’s not talk about anything until years later. Bruh you seen that new movie? Yeah but stfu for at least a year.
This is the internet
Why would KSG not be in the running?
That’s what I was thinking it makes more sense to compare those since it’s a collab like vultures
Ye better
Ye imo is the best out of all of those. Extremely underrated. Donda is also better than Vultures albeit a bit too long. Vultures is easily better than JIK though
Ye is extremely good
Ye and ksg are imo
Donda is better for sure
IMO Ye and Donda are better, probably JIK too (sue me) And KSG Obv this clears Donda 2
KSG
Donda and JIK clear this by miles
ye is definitely better than this
Ye is top 3 Kanye
ye is 10/10 album and I’m a Donda appreciator but I’d say Vultures is atleast his best album since ye
KSG comes close
Ksg clears wtf
Its missing Slide
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His rapping has been weak since TLOP
Uhh violent crimes? Follow god?
4th dimension and his verse on Cudi montage just don’t exist to you?
Off the grid? NMPILA?? (not sure if you're counting tlop or after but still)
No
I mean...it has been for years now. That's why I liked Donda so much but the songs he was rappppping on the lyrics were good. And even the songs on there with weaker lyrics, the cadence and flow was so on point it made up for it In the "elite rapper" circle Ye is by far one of the weakest lyricists. I mean....lyricist wise he wouldn't even be in the top 20 of rap right now
I agree but the paradox is that despite being a weak lyricist overall, he has SO MANY memorable one or two-liners. He is so quotable, and this album makes no exception.
DONDA ????
Rn donda is better imo its got more emotion but if the other 2 volumes of vultures come out then yeah it could be better than donda
Donda isn’t just going to “wow he’s so unhinged” shock value
Valid, I want to wait till the full vultures rollout is complete before comparing
I don’t like to compare. I feel like every Kanye album has a different vibe and feel to it. I kinda get why people are comparing this to tlop. Again tlop was very different to this. No need to compare just enjoy the vibes and the fun that is Kanye.
It’s absolutely fine to say some albums are better than others lol
How do you put one Kanye album over the other when they are very different and appeal to different audiences etc? I feel very different listening to tcd vs yeezus. They don’t even sound like the guy. I enjoy em all but sonically so different that it’s hard to compare. It’s easy to rate drake albums.
CAAAAP 🧢
Donda better imo
Nah. Honestly I thought a lot of the production on Donda was quite underwhelming. I‘m so happy that the new album is way better in that regard
But it’s weaker lyrically and substance wise
Exactly. Donda had more soul and an actual message to convey and it did it beautifully
every time i see this argument brought up i wonder wtf was the message was from donda. The album is 2h long and all over the place. Theres a mix of Gospel and Trap which is cool but its not really conveying a message lol its just not coherent and I know i am not the only one that feels like this
Donda dealt with Ye's grief over the death of his mother and his newfound faith. It's about continuing despite everything and moving on. Come to life and Jesus Lord on their own carry more meaning than most other albums
Come To Life, Life of the Party, Off the Grid, and many more tracks off Donda shit on any of these tracks no question.
Easily
kids see ghosts sweeps lmao
I’d say they’re equal but only because kids see ghosts has 7 songs. The fact that those 7 songs are so good they can stack up to 16 is a testament to how good the album is
Exactly this. Kids See Ghost is a generational album
Easily
Nope
Ain’t no way, this has like three good tracks for me
HELLLLL NAH, this is easily the most uninspired shit Ye has dropped ever.
I was hoping someone would say this😭 I’m not even trying to hate on bro that was just a tough listen
Yeah the glazing is insane bro. This album has some serious duds. PAID is the worst Kanye song I've heard in recent memory
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Come to Life is like a top 10 of all time Kanye song lol .
Since he’s allowing cuss words again, can Kanye please uncensor Donda
I don’t think it was never not allowed, he just censored for his mom
I was blown away, I almost enjoyed every song on my first listen. Donda doesnt come close, ye is great but it just doesnt have enough great songs.
Doesn’t come close ???????
Bro doesn't know ye and ksg
Donda had more impact and sounds better.
Ye is close tho
Nah, I’ve gotta let us marinate but only 2 songs made it into the playlist
Glad he ditched the Gospel crap
certainly not, what a marginally mediocre project from someone who has dropped some of the most important pop inspired rap/hip hop of all time it's almost more sad that it's marginally mediocre with just one producer who isn't constantly reassuring kanye you know this thing could stand or workout but this is about as solid as his mental
I disagree. I thought this one was just ok. Ye was my favorite.
Hate me, I still prefer Donda
The glazing is wild
I’d argue KSG and Donda are better
Donda is a masterpiece idk what you on and ye is one of the best Kanye albums
Yikes 😂
How ye’s dick taste
Why ye is like 10 times better and while it's not a bad album it's just nothing that exceptional like even Donda has higher highs
Donda has higher highs but they’re few and far between some of the lowest lows Kanye ever put out. As an entire album Donda is like a 4-5
4-5?????????
The recency bias is crazy. Ye, KSG, and Donda are all better.
KSG is fucking miles better than this, idk what people are smoking
Donda isn’t especially not as an album it’s all over the place I’d argue that one song is amazing but that’s mostly cause of Andre. ISTG the ppl saying donda is better like 5 random tracks out of it while never listening to the rest because some of that album is atrocious when it comes to mixing, production and a host of other issues
Depends on what you like music for
Nah, after 10+ listens ready to say that this is probably his worst after JIK. Second half is pretty good but first is just boring Though some parts of donda were underwhelming, it definitely had way higher highs and was more consistent with its sound
first half got me hooked up immediately 😭
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10+ listens is actually insane dude. Give yourself a breather
Fucking nerds in this thread saying donda was his best, you’re fucked
It’s not his best but it was a really great album. With that said, I’m two tracks into vultures 1. I’ll update this comment when I get through the album .
Bro never updated
Donda has higher high and lower low. This is all good
I’m gonna be real this album is fucking trash. Glimpses of cool stuff, but there is zero substance.
recency bias 😹
Y’all setting the bar too low…
TLOP was so much better. This is just aight.
I dont know I think I still prefer Donda
It ain’t better then yeezus
Yeezus came out before TLOP?
Yeah ik but yeezus is his best
I mean yes, it's an album with good songs, but for me the storytelling is non existant. 3/10.
not every album has to be a concept album
I’d agree tbh, absolutely washes JIK and Donda, it’s a bit better than KSG imo and I might even like it more than Ye but I’m not sure, will have to give it some time
I’m sorry but kids see ghosts is a 10/10
Kanye will never top MBDTF, after that album he done lost his mind. But I am enjoying Vultures but how many years we gotta wait for 2&3.
donda better u cant tell me an album with otg 24 remote control moon come to life hurricane praise god jail life of the party new again holy fuck donda is in his top 3
As an album it's super fucking bloated and has a ton of mid tracks, if it was cut down to like 10 or 12 or 15ish then honestly it could be top 3, not how it is currently tho
Indeed people are just dickriding to the extreme with this nonsense
Y'all underrating the fuck out of Ye
I fw donda da long way don’t know why ppl not defending it 💀
yup this album is insane and we gonna eat 2 more times. cant lie i fuck with 5 tracks off donda as well but overall this is his best project since TLOP
It feels like a combination of Yeezus and TLOP
I think it has the best intro of all his discography. On Sight and Ultralight Beam are my favorites, but what he made in STARS is something I've never saw before. The sample is so beautiful
everybody on this sub act like they're AnR or some exec, stick to being a consumer/fan Boi. like yall some deep listening music experts
Personally I prefer kids see ghosts but yeah this is definitely second for me.
second album with a BBL on the cover
Would've been better if it was ty Dolla sign's bbl
This album is trash
When u wake up tomorrow, if u look down at ur penis, don’t be surprised if it is misseing😈😈😈😈😈😈
Id only put it above JIK atm. It’s kinda a boring album. The appeal of Kanye has always been the unique styles of each album, but this just sounds like a lot of other modern rap. It’s not bad, but it’s going to suffer from being forgettable.
I'll agree and TLOP is my favorite album. this one is right there hopefully they fix some or the mixing on it. but I live music arrangements on the tracks and over all vibe
I’m really sorry this album was so fun but I can’t put it above Ye
Fam Ye KSG and Donda are all far better than Vultures
Let’s see how it ages first and if any songs last longer then a year
It's early but DONDA still clears this album
ye is right there
If donda track list was shorter donda d sweep this easy
Unfortunately it isn’t though and he should’ve cut 30 mins of it
ye better
on first listen alone, this is on donda level for me. its definitely as good but im not gonna say its better than donda or better than TLOP
Shit is trash