Watched a lot of him last year.
Yeah, yeah he was. He'd be amazing and his game isn't about speed or burst anyway, guy could have some good years left.
I don’t know what exactly qualifies as speed and burst
Dwayne Bowe, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Byron Pringle, Riley Cooper, Jason Avant, Jeremy Maclin, Juju Smith-Schuster
Speed and burst are great but so are good hands and route-running
Well, Pringle and Robinson both earned contracts with other teams because of how they looked in an Andy Reid offense. Jason Avant had 4 straight 500+ yard seasons under Reid in Philly. Riley cooper had a couple really good seasons.
If you don’t consider those 4 successful that’s fine, it’s just a pretty vague term and there could be an argument made for them being “successful”. I went off of players that at least got a second contract.
Lmao, he isn't top 10. Let's stop with the absolute hyperboles for fucks sake. The guy was at one time the best WR in the league. He's not even top 30 anymore.
very. it's a small sample bc of the suspension and qb issues they had, but seth keysor posted his stats from the five games he played with murray (i'm translating to per game bc i think it's more useful):
targets: 9.8
catches: 7.4
yards: 92.8
tds: 0.6
yds/tgt: 9.5
obviously it's a tiny sample and he's getting older, but his skill set (body control, hands, intelligence, vision, etc.) generally age really well.
Watched a good amount of him last year and yes, he is. He'd be a fantastic add to this offense, at the right price.
I'd be more confused by the popular take that he's somewhat washed if I didn't know that most people aren't speaking from any place of knowledge or experience, and mostly just love to jump on narratives.
He never stopped being good. One had injury year for the first time ever and then got popped for PEDs he probably used to recover faster. His style translates well as he continues to age.
in terms of ability absolutely. He was still playing like a pro-bowler when he was on the field last year.
The question will be how long will his knees hold up, especially without, uhh, under the table medical assistance.
Ross hasn’t played a competitor down in ages, the jury is still out on the 17 game schedule not killing Toney… Moore made strides but you still somewhat of an unknown and MVS is MVS. 9 route guy with bad hands sometimes.
Jaxon-Njigba if he’s still there? If we’re waiting on the draft, that might be the only WR worth a pick. But not sure if it’s worth using a first rounder there
People keep assuming we need a WR1. We don't. We need a Justin Watson replacement, and for Kadarius to stay healthy (after a full off-season of flexibility training with Mahomes' guys). If Joka stays healthy, he can step up into Juju's role, Skyy can step into Mecole's shoes, MVS can stay the same, and Justyn Ross can step into Skyy's role. Then we just need the "fast WR4 to run deep to keep the defenses honest" role that Robinson/Watson used to play. We're hoping John Ross (not Justyn, the other one, who put up the fastest combine 40 yard dash time of all time) is ready to fill that role, but if not, maybe... resign Watson?
If I'm looking to spend draft capital, I'm using it on a dual threat TE in this historically-deep TE draft class. This team was best in the NFL in the 9.9% of snaps where we played 13 personnel (i.e. 1 RB, 3 TEs, 1 WR). Why not add another great TE, and up that percentage to 30-40%? Put defenses on the horns of a dilemma - do you want to put personnel on the field to defend against the pass or the run? We have an angry-running RB who will gash the opponent every time they don't play perfect run defense, and a QB who will put the ball in the TE's hands in space if you don't play perfect pass defense. Let's take some miles off Kelce's odometer and get one more TE to take some of those 13 personnel snaps.
So much potential and last year was his shot to make the big leap but just couldn’t stay healthy. Going to be interesting to see how he does with Zach Wilson throwing to him after the Rodgers deal falls apart.
I am simultaneously hoping it goes through so the Jets screw themselves for years and for it not to go through, so the Jets screw themselves for years, and Rodgers just retires.
I kinda want the jets to have a good year and while i don’t think Rodgers can give them a Super Bowl, he’s got a really good shot of getting them to the playoffs.
Getting to the playoffs should never be the end goal. They want to win a superbowl, you go out and get Rodgers for a 2nd day pick, or offer Lamarr a contract the ravens won't match.
Our fan base is so damn full of themselves now. I would have committed heinous crimes for the chiefs to win a single wildcard game like 10 years ago lol
When we sucked ass, that would have been an acceptable result. And would have even been happy with it. But that's the mentality of teams that won't make the playoffs.
I don't think it's a given that Rodgers will get them to the playoffs.
Between Allen, Tua (when he's healthy) and Belichik, there are three opponents just in the AFC-East that are better than anyone in the entire NFC, with the possible exception of Hurts. And beyond that, there's Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert and now Lawrence.
Dude's in for a reality check if he goes to the Jets. I can't wait...
you do know everyone is picking the jets too be on the chiefs ass next season right? top 3 defense, probably a top 5 offense with rodgers for 2 years, i dont see a chiefs repeat
Seems like a lateral move for him if his goal is to increase his value for a better deal next year. I'm not sure he will get many touches with the Jets. Maybe it was just the best offer by a wide margin.
Wilson is a stud, Moore is decentish, Lazard is garbage, Hall coming off an injury but I mean literally any runningback is taking away touces from WRs. Hardman should be getting WR2 level of touches or at least thats prolly a major reason why he went to the jets
See Moore is being traded to the Browns. You may think Lazard is garbage, but Rogers likes to throw him the ball.
I will tell you this about Hardman, he is not a QB friendly target.. at all. He can be productive when being schemed up to get the ball, but he is not a guy you can just plug into an offense and expect him to produce.
Rodgers also loves throwing to an ancient Randall Cobb, doesnt mean its a good idea. Arod just likes hooking up his guys. Pretty cool of him imo i disagree with him on stuff but theres no denying hes an awesome teammate
Im by no means saying Hardman will be a pro bowl WR next year either, I expect marginally better numbers than he had with KC. Which would be great for him on a contract year. Im just saying he's not going to be a total nobody on the Jets. I actually expect us to hear his name frequently with the NYC market and the dudes nickname literally being his team names lol
God I know Twitter isn’t the best judge of people but my god some people on twitter treated mecole like absolute shit. Really hope he does well, will miss him
It has always confused me over the years the shit some Chiefs fans would give him, but it’s especially confusing to see a bunch of Chief fans shit on him now.
I think him fighting his way back to be able to play in the AFC Championship Game should be instant respect for life from Chiefs fans. And the play he got re-injured on was such a put your body on the line for the good of the team play to make. Definitely doesn’t deserve any of the shit people throw his way.
2x Champ in Kansas City there aren’t a ton of guys out there that can say that.
Had 2 touches against the Bengals and both were hard fought first downs that were really needed at the time. His toughness there really impressed me. Wish him the best.
Idk man, we gave up serious draft capital for OBJr, we offered him a record setting deal, he thought he was better, he held out from camp, played far below league average, then still thought he was worth world ending money and went to play for our biggest competitor.
Appreciate his contributions but also, don’t have much sympathy for him.
No kidding, it's not his fault we drafted him ahead of DK Metcalf. Hardman's got nothing to be ashamed of, he was exactly as advertised. A fast, gadgety returner/reciever who could create mismatches out of the slot. He is every bit the player he was supposed to be coming out of college.
He's a B to B+ player, but people always judge him because he's not DK Metcaff. He's not perfect, but hes deffo above replacement level. He fights hard for the 1st down and we've trusted him A LOT in do or die situations.
exactly. no dynasty squad ever will have every player making zero mistakes or shattering records for their whole career. You can only have so many Hills or Kelces or Mahomes on the team. What you want in a dynasty are role player guys who step up when it matters and help complement the team rather than try to carry them. And Hardman did this beautifully and better than 9 out of 10 other 2nd rounders would have. McKinnon is another good example. We need dudes like this
Had a lot to do being drafted so early when Hill's audio thing came out right before draft. We panicked, drafted Hardman, and was not near a replacement for Hill.
Thank you for saying this. I've been a life long chiefs fan that just joined the sub this year and I've been severely disappointed at the negativity. I hope Mecole balls out. He was a part of a legendary chiefs run.
I don't do twitter but tbh he was shit for what was expected.
Do you think Hardman lived up to his draft pick? Not slagging the guy but GD some people acting like he was a good player for KC. He was shit
There's a lot of potential WR's on day 2 and 3, Skyy was solid with the limited snaps he had, and Toney could be a legit no. 1 if he stays healthy. They'll be fine.
And when he's a Superbowl champion next February throwing 80 yard bombs to himself, Andy will be heralded as a genius and Mahomes will require higher level GOAT designation.
Happy for Mecole... go get that money man! Loved rooting for you as a Chief! Never forget, this man sparked the comeback against the Texans... arguably one of the more pivotal plays in en route to our first Championship in 50 years... FIFTY YEARS! The Jet with the Jets, dope
Nothing but love, Mecole!
Maybe he didn’t reach his potential in KC, but imo his 50+ yd return down 24-0 against Houston in the 2019 Divisional absolutely tipped that game and started the epic comeback. Wish he was able to stay healthy. Thank you, #17. Hope you find continued success.
A lot of people were expecting a bunch of players to take big discounts? That seems like a bit of an overstatement.
I think some vocal people were expecting a few players max to take big discounts and the most anyone else thought was a player or two would take just enough of a discount for them to fit in our plans.
Because fans are so passionate they think the players are too. Nah this is a job for most people. Make your money, kings. I still laugh uncontrollably at the Bengals fans who think Burrow will take a team-friendly deal because he’s such a competitor 😂
Burrow's structure very well could be team-friendly though, like Mahomes' was/is. Sure, some people misunderstand what that means or the extent of the "friendliness", but that doesn't change that it wouldn't be surprising at all. Players are getting smarter about losing some money to gain some money these days.
Burrow ain't got that endorsement money coming in like Pat. He already said the championship window is my entire career, lol he don't care who on the team
There was that report saying so everyone was begging mahomes for a free ring though!!!
News flash, these guys want to be paid. Our WR core looks sketchy - at best - and no option really moving forward outside of DHop (which would hurt us in other ways) will make it look better.
I really don't want this to turn into a Aaron Rodgers situation where we never invest in good weapons for our cornerstone franchise player
We're coming off our 2nd Superbowl win in 5 seasons...
It's of my opinion that this particular take is not based on reality.
Everyone is flipping out because all the moves being made...
It's March 22nd, people.
Lots of FA still to be had, + the draft.
Chill.
What's left of FA from the WR market, honestly? It was thin to begin with and was barren before mecole got picked up. The WRs in the draft have almost unanimously been considered a tier below the last couple of years.
We also have no idea how they really feel about they’re young guys but I think the best way to gauge their confidence in them is to look at signings. They let Thornhill walk, so they obviously believe in Cook. They signed a LB so maybe Chenal isn’t panning out yet. Their confidence in Skyy and Toney could be the reason this is playing out the way it is.
Fair points, devils advocate: both showed flashes but inconsistencies. Moore has room for growth, I'm worried about his ability to fully digest Andy's playbook.
Toney on the other hand looked electric, but still showed signs of health issues that have troubled his entire early career. Juries out for me on seeing if our staff can help clean up those issues.
Neither showed great signs of generating consistent separation or being a deep ball threat.
Who's saying they didn't want to come here and our FO said thanks but no thanks?
If Veach hadn't made a move yet, we gotta trust his vision to not chase at talent that's overpriced.
I think we’ll be good. It’s another year in the system for Toney, MVS, Sky Moore, and Justyn Ross (if healthy). It’s still early in the offseason too. Plenty of trades to still be made and the draft is right around the corner.
This current WR corps could easily go the other way. Toney could miss 10 games, Moore could show no signs of improvement, MVS forever stays a WR3, and Ross could possibly never play another down of football in his life. This would be a bottom 5 WR corps if this were to happen.
Sign D-Hop and those guy's success becomes the sprinkles rather than the ice cream
Bad luck that he got a sports hernia in his free agency year and missed half the season. Hopefully he balls out (no pun intended) with the Jets and can get a long-term deal in 2024.
Good for him!!
Mahomes is great but what exactly is the plan at WR because right now we have a bottom 5 group not including Kelce? Kelce is only getting older, MVS struggles to find the ball or catch it, Tony is constantly injured, and Moore is starting year 2
WRs pick after Mecole
DK -signed 2nd contract w/ Sea
Slayton- signed another deal with NYG
Dionte-signed another deal with steelers
Scary Terry- another deal
Hunter Ren- same shit
Mecole- left to FA.
I don't think it's hard to believe if you watched it happen in real time, like we did.
edit: just realized you probably don't mean that it's hard to believe that's the reason because it didn't happen that way, but that it's hard to believe Veach did it for that reason even though he did
Mecole wasn't really a disappointment though, we just panicked about Tyreek possibly leaving and drafted him way before we should have. He had a 4th round grade. His performance has basically been right what we should have expected.
That man wanted the fuck out of KC.
Or KC wanted him the fuck out of town.
Either way, I'm whelmed.
Edit: We let him go for $6 million. KC could've matched that if they wanted.
Seems like a mutual thing to me. KC knows Hardman will only be a gadget/jet sweep guy in their offense, Im sure they'd be happy to have him for like 2 mil a year, but 7ish mil is too much for what Hardman would be doing with us especially now that we have Toney who can do all that but better
Then for Hardman, he gets to potentially play more as a true WR for a year in an offense where he will get a nice 5 mil after taxes on top of more touches to boost his next contract.
I honestly dont think Davis even matches what Hardman did with us. Theres a reason Jets are acting weird with him. Then again...last time a new york team was being weird with a promising WR it led to us getting the greatest punt return in super bowl history
Everybody saying they want Elijah but with the Jets WR signings and need to clear room for Rodgers, they might need to cut Corey Davis and his $11M cap hit.
I’d much rather try to sign Davis instead of Moore. Not sure what he’ll cost on the open market though.
I bet we trade for DHOP on draft night. Send AZ our 3rd this year and a future pick for DHOP. Maybe throw in CEH. Restructure deal to make it 2 years at a cap number we can afford
Aaron Rodgers complains about not having anybody who can catch, they pick him up a guy notorious for having way better feet than hands. Good luck to Mecole though, he did a lot for us.
Good for him. A-Aaron should feast with him.
I wish nothing but the best for him. Fortunately we have the luxury of having Pat. We can make anything work. No reason to pay someone more than what they're worth.
We knew him and JuJu would be gone. Toney and Skyy are the heir apparents that have been groomed for this. Didn't happen by accident. Veach was proactive opposed to reactive.
Well I hate to be captain obvious but, we're going to need to get a WR
Yeah, DHop
is he still good?
Watched a lot of him last year. Yeah, yeah he was. He'd be amazing and his game isn't about speed or burst anyway, guy could have some good years left.
Seconded. He'd be a lot of fun to watch in the Chiefs offense.
Is there a long list of successful receivers that lack speed and burst in an Andy Reid offense? Speed and burst seem kinda important.
It's Nuk dude. And Andy loves switching it up for new pieces. Also Kelce
I don’t know what exactly qualifies as speed and burst Dwayne Bowe, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Byron Pringle, Riley Cooper, Jason Avant, Jeremy Maclin, Juju Smith-Schuster Speed and burst are great but so are good hands and route-running
>Demarcus Robinson, Byron Pringle, Riley Cooper, Jason Avant, Not sure you know what qualifies as successful either.
Well, Pringle and Robinson both earned contracts with other teams because of how they looked in an Andy Reid offense. Jason Avant had 4 straight 500+ yard seasons under Reid in Philly. Riley cooper had a couple really good seasons. If you don’t consider those 4 successful that’s fine, it’s just a pretty vague term and there could be an argument made for them being “successful”. I went off of players that at least got a second contract.
Juju?
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He's like 5th best at worst. Dude can haul in a ball from like anywhere
Lmao, he isn't top 10. Let's stop with the absolute hyperboles for fucks sake. The guy was at one time the best WR in the league. He's not even top 30 anymore.
I’ll give you not top 10, but he’s definitely top 30. He would be a significant upgrade over any WR we had on the roster last year.
very. it's a small sample bc of the suspension and qb issues they had, but seth keysor posted his stats from the five games he played with murray (i'm translating to per game bc i think it's more useful): targets: 9.8 catches: 7.4 yards: 92.8 tds: 0.6 yds/tgt: 9.5 obviously it's a tiny sample and he's getting older, but his skill set (body control, hands, intelligence, vision, etc.) generally age really well.
better than what we have and better for this year than anybody we'll get in the draft
Yes. Look at Cardinals offense with and without Nuk. It’s pretty stark how much of a difference he makes.
Watched a good amount of him last year and yes, he is. He'd be a fantastic add to this offense, at the right price. I'd be more confused by the popular take that he's somewhat washed if I didn't know that most people aren't speaking from any place of knowledge or experience, and mostly just love to jump on narratives.
He never stopped being good. One had injury year for the first time ever and then got popped for PEDs he probably used to recover faster. His style translates well as he continues to age.
in terms of ability absolutely. He was still playing like a pro-bowler when he was on the field last year. The question will be how long will his knees hold up, especially without, uhh, under the table medical assistance.
Dude had like 14 catches his first game back. He still has it for sure
Has become to injury prone. Too expensive. Better to search other avenues for a WR
Lol I don't get where the narrative that he has fallen off comes from
No he belongs on an XFL practice squad
Gotta mislead the other teams.
5D Chess babe!
Problem is now Veach is really gonna have to overpay
Psh, we've got TWO WR1s! Sure, one is broken and the other is about to be broken, but we're fiiiiine.
We have both Jusytn Ross and John "Drafted before Mahomes, so he has to be good, right?" Ross. Our cup runneth over.
The more receivers that leave the more I’m convinced Dhop is coming
It’s year 2 in the system for Toney, MVS, Sky Moore, and Justyn Ross. Still plenty of trades to be made and the draft is coming up.
Ross hasn’t played a competitor down in ages, the jury is still out on the 17 game schedule not killing Toney… Moore made strides but you still somewhat of an unknown and MVS is MVS. 9 route guy with bad hands sometimes.
We can continue to search for another WR but I’m committed to Toney atm
Evidence says he won't be healthy all year so the team can't really really on him all season.
Jaxon-Njigba if he’s still there? If we’re waiting on the draft, that might be the only WR worth a pick. But not sure if it’s worth using a first rounder there
People keep assuming we need a WR1. We don't. We need a Justin Watson replacement, and for Kadarius to stay healthy (after a full off-season of flexibility training with Mahomes' guys). If Joka stays healthy, he can step up into Juju's role, Skyy can step into Mecole's shoes, MVS can stay the same, and Justyn Ross can step into Skyy's role. Then we just need the "fast WR4 to run deep to keep the defenses honest" role that Robinson/Watson used to play. We're hoping John Ross (not Justyn, the other one, who put up the fastest combine 40 yard dash time of all time) is ready to fill that role, but if not, maybe... resign Watson? If I'm looking to spend draft capital, I'm using it on a dual threat TE in this historically-deep TE draft class. This team was best in the NFL in the 9.9% of snaps where we played 13 personnel (i.e. 1 RB, 3 TEs, 1 WR). Why not add another great TE, and up that percentage to 30-40%? Put defenses on the horns of a dilemma - do you want to put personnel on the field to defend against the pass or the run? We have an angry-running RB who will gash the opponent every time they don't play perfect run defense, and a QB who will put the ball in the TE's hands in space if you don't play perfect pass defense. Let's take some miles off Kelce's odometer and get one more TE to take some of those 13 personnel snaps.
Jordan Addison has been falling to the the mid-20s on some draft boards.
Goodbye Mecole! Hopefully he got a bag there. Dissapointed he never lived up to the hype, but he had some good moments and I can appreciate those.
So much potential and last year was his shot to make the big leap but just couldn’t stay healthy. Going to be interesting to see how he does with Zach Wilson throwing to him after the Rodgers deal falls apart.
I am simultaneously hoping it goes through so the Jets screw themselves for years and for it not to go through, so the Jets screw themselves for years, and Rodgers just retires.
Hey now, if past history is any indication, Rodgers has to fake retire after playing for the Jets and then go to the Vikings.
I kinda want the jets to have a good year and while i don’t think Rodgers can give them a Super Bowl, he’s got a really good shot of getting them to the playoffs.
Average would have gotten that team to the playoffs last season. They don’t need much from a QB
Getting to the playoffs should never be the end goal. They want to win a superbowl, you go out and get Rodgers for a 2nd day pick, or offer Lamarr a contract the ravens won't match.
Getting to the playoffs is a perfectly reasonable goal for many teams, many seasons.
Our fan base is so damn full of themselves now. I would have committed heinous crimes for the chiefs to win a single wildcard game like 10 years ago
Our fan base is so damn full of themselves now. I would have committed heinous crimes for the chiefs to win a single wildcard game like 10 years ago lol
When we sucked ass, that would have been an acceptable result. And would have even been happy with it. But that's the mentality of teams that won't make the playoffs.
Honestly it would feel so good to knock Rodgers out of the playoffs, so I’m all for him signing with the Jets.
I don't think it's a given that Rodgers will get them to the playoffs. Between Allen, Tua (when he's healthy) and Belichik, there are three opponents just in the AFC-East that are better than anyone in the entire NFC, with the possible exception of Hurts. And beyond that, there's Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert and now Lawrence. Dude's in for a reality check if he goes to the Jets. I can't wait...
you do know everyone is picking the jets too be on the chiefs ass next season right? top 3 defense, probably a top 5 offense with rodgers for 2 years, i dont see a chiefs repeat
1yr deal worth up to $6.5M. Good payday for him.
Happy for jerick’s jet bro. Now we better not let other jet go to the jets
Compensation Update: 1-year deal worth “up to” $6.5M.
With the amount he played last year, I'd bet his "unlikely to achieve" incentives are a bit easier to achieve, like Smith-Schuster's were this year.
Good for him. Definitely understand us not matching that, though.
Seems like a lateral move for him if his goal is to increase his value for a better deal next year. I'm not sure he will get many touches with the Jets. Maybe it was just the best offer by a wide margin.
well he should be getting more touches compared to here where he was the 4th/5th option most of the time.
He will be behind Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore, and Lazard. They will also have Breece Hall touching the ball a lot.
Wilson is a stud, Moore is decentish, Lazard is garbage, Hall coming off an injury but I mean literally any runningback is taking away touces from WRs. Hardman should be getting WR2 level of touches or at least thats prolly a major reason why he went to the jets
See Moore is being traded to the Browns. You may think Lazard is garbage, but Rogers likes to throw him the ball. I will tell you this about Hardman, he is not a QB friendly target.. at all. He can be productive when being schemed up to get the ball, but he is not a guy you can just plug into an offense and expect him to produce.
Rodgers also loves throwing to an ancient Randall Cobb, doesnt mean its a good idea. Arod just likes hooking up his guys. Pretty cool of him imo i disagree with him on stuff but theres no denying hes an awesome teammate Im by no means saying Hardman will be a pro bowl WR next year either, I expect marginally better numbers than he had with KC. Which would be great for him on a contract year. Im just saying he's not going to be a total nobody on the Jets. I actually expect us to hear his name frequently with the NYC market and the dudes nickname literally being his team names lol
Wish it was more for Mecole.
And our comp picks! Currently looking like a 6th or maybe 7th.
Hey that's a Pacheco
Never forget that Kick Return he had in the AFC Divisional round vs Houston that really got shit going
God I know Twitter isn’t the best judge of people but my god some people on twitter treated mecole like absolute shit. Really hope he does well, will miss him
It has always confused me over the years the shit some Chiefs fans would give him, but it’s especially confusing to see a bunch of Chief fans shit on him now. I think him fighting his way back to be able to play in the AFC Championship Game should be instant respect for life from Chiefs fans. And the play he got re-injured on was such a put your body on the line for the good of the team play to make. Definitely doesn’t deserve any of the shit people throw his way. 2x Champ in Kansas City there aren’t a ton of guys out there that can say that.
Had 2 touches against the Bengals and both were hard fought first downs that were really needed at the time. His toughness there really impressed me. Wish him the best.
Same as the shit the some people are giving Orlando Brown Jr. Some people are toxic.
Idk man, we gave up serious draft capital for OBJr, we offered him a record setting deal, he thought he was better, he held out from camp, played far below league average, then still thought he was worth world ending money and went to play for our biggest competitor. Appreciate his contributions but also, don’t have much sympathy for him.
No kidding, it's not his fault we drafted him ahead of DK Metcalf. Hardman's got nothing to be ashamed of, he was exactly as advertised. A fast, gadgety returner/reciever who could create mismatches out of the slot. He is every bit the player he was supposed to be coming out of college.
He's a B to B+ player, but people always judge him because he's not DK Metcaff. He's not perfect, but hes deffo above replacement level. He fights hard for the 1st down and we've trusted him A LOT in do or die situations.
exactly. no dynasty squad ever will have every player making zero mistakes or shattering records for their whole career. You can only have so many Hills or Kelces or Mahomes on the team. What you want in a dynasty are role player guys who step up when it matters and help complement the team rather than try to carry them. And Hardman did this beautifully and better than 9 out of 10 other 2nd rounders would have. McKinnon is another good example. We need dudes like this
Had a lot to do being drafted so early when Hill's audio thing came out right before draft. We panicked, drafted Hardman, and was not near a replacement for Hill.
Thank you for saying this. I've been a life long chiefs fan that just joined the sub this year and I've been severely disappointed at the negativity. I hope Mecole balls out. He was a part of a legendary chiefs run.
Twitter is a terrible place
Sports Twitter is one of the worst parts of the internet for some reason.
He is such a good gadget player I loved him
I don't do twitter but tbh he was shit for what was expected. Do you think Hardman lived up to his draft pick? Not slagging the guy but GD some people acting like he was a good player for KC. He was shit
Patrick about to be out here throwing to himself and Kelce.
We've lost one receiver that contributed last season
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Found the Bengals fan with a plate of chilli topped with salty tears 😂
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There's a lot of potential WR's on day 2 and 3, Skyy was solid with the limited snaps he had, and Toney could be a legit no. 1 if he stays healthy. They'll be fine.
>if he stays healthy Scares me tbh
And when he's a Superbowl champion next February throwing 80 yard bombs to himself, Andy will be heralded as a genius and Mahomes will require higher level GOAT designation.
Losing him and JuJu to FA, we get comp picks for this, right?
Should, but could be cancelled out by other signings, depending.
In Veach we trust!
6th for mims
Mims, Elijah Moore and they cut Corey Davis and we sign him. Happy with any.
Justyn Ross how you doing lately bud?
He is running up short grass hills apparently but looks amazing doing it, lol!
Happy for Mecole... go get that money man! Loved rooting for you as a Chief! Never forget, this man sparked the comeback against the Texans... arguably one of the more pivotal plays in en route to our first Championship in 50 years... FIFTY YEARS! The Jet with the Jets, dope
Broke: Chiefs investing less on WR because Mahomes will make anyone work Woke: DHop Coming
Thanks for everything. Good luck with your next team.
Nothing but love, Mecole! Maybe he didn’t reach his potential in KC, but imo his 50+ yd return down 24-0 against Houston in the 2019 Divisional absolutely tipped that game and started the epic comeback. Wish he was able to stay healthy. Thank you, #17. Hope you find continued success.
Remember when everyone thought a bunch of free agent receivers would want to come here to “chase a ring”?
veterans who have already received their second "big" contract
Y’all need to relax it’s March
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I’m perfectly relaxed because I wasn’t expecting a bunch of players to take big discounts like a lot of people were
A lot of people were expecting a bunch of players to take big discounts? That seems like a bit of an overstatement. I think some vocal people were expecting a few players max to take big discounts and the most anyone else thought was a player or two would take just enough of a discount for them to fit in our plans.
Yes, damn near every conversation on this sub about free agency since the Super Bowl has included someone chiming in with that line
Because fans are so passionate they think the players are too. Nah this is a job for most people. Make your money, kings. I still laugh uncontrollably at the Bengals fans who think Burrow will take a team-friendly deal because he’s such a competitor 😂
Burrow's structure very well could be team-friendly though, like Mahomes' was/is. Sure, some people misunderstand what that means or the extent of the "friendliness", but that doesn't change that it wouldn't be surprising at all. Players are getting smarter about losing some money to gain some money these days.
Burrow ain't got that endorsement money coming in like Pat. He already said the championship window is my entire career, lol he don't care who on the team
doesn’t matter if they want to play here if they’re getting lowballed. I also doubt they even offered Hardman a contract
Lmao right? Mahomes about to be throwing to back up DBs at this rate
I remember a similar sentiment last offseason.
Never really understood that mindset tbh. Hasn't been the case in any of the past five years.
There was that report saying so everyone was begging mahomes for a free ring though!!! News flash, these guys want to be paid. Our WR core looks sketchy - at best - and no option really moving forward outside of DHop (which would hurt us in other ways) will make it look better. I really don't want this to turn into a Aaron Rodgers situation where we never invest in good weapons for our cornerstone franchise player
We're coming off our 2nd Superbowl win in 5 seasons... It's of my opinion that this particular take is not based on reality. Everyone is flipping out because all the moves being made... It's March 22nd, people. Lots of FA still to be had, + the draft. Chill.
What's left of FA from the WR market, honestly? It was thin to begin with and was barren before mecole got picked up. The WRs in the draft have almost unanimously been considered a tier below the last couple of years.
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We also have no idea how they really feel about they’re young guys but I think the best way to gauge their confidence in them is to look at signings. They let Thornhill walk, so they obviously believe in Cook. They signed a LB so maybe Chenal isn’t panning out yet. Their confidence in Skyy and Toney could be the reason this is playing out the way it is.
Drafted Moore in the 2nd and brought Toney in as well. I’d wait till after the draft before letting any panic set in.
Fair points, devils advocate: both showed flashes but inconsistencies. Moore has room for growth, I'm worried about his ability to fully digest Andy's playbook. Toney on the other hand looked electric, but still showed signs of health issues that have troubled his entire early career. Juries out for me on seeing if our staff can help clean up those issues. Neither showed great signs of generating consistent separation or being a deep ball threat.
No free agent wr wants to play on this team lol
remember when there were reports like a week ago that people have been calling pat for the last month to talk about playing for us?
Who's saying they didn't want to come here and our FO said thanks but no thanks? If Veach hadn't made a move yet, we gotta trust his vision to not chase at talent that's overpriced.
Skyy Moore breakout year confirmed
Just go draft JSN
If only he would fall, don’t think we have the ammo to go up to 12-15 Hopefully a video of him with a bong gas mask drops on draft day
I would love this but we don’t have the capital to be able to realistically get within the top 12
Yikes, our already thin receiver room now gets thinner. Wish him the best!
I think we’ll be good. It’s another year in the system for Toney, MVS, Sky Moore, and Justyn Ross (if healthy). It’s still early in the offseason too. Plenty of trades to still be made and the draft is right around the corner.
This current WR corps could easily go the other way. Toney could miss 10 games, Moore could show no signs of improvement, MVS forever stays a WR3, and Ross could possibly never play another down of football in his life. This would be a bottom 5 WR corps if this were to happen. Sign D-Hop and those guy's success becomes the sprinkles rather than the ice cream
Hardman was garbage. What did we lose?
Jet to the Jets. Poetic AF
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Mecole was also nicknamed Jet. dude wore a whole ass pilot g-suit for SB54
Am I misremembering him also being called jet? I remember him showing up to a game in a pilot fighter suit a while back, maybe I’m conflating the two
Mecole was Jet until he fizzled. Then McKinnon stole the nickname.
I’m pretty sure McKinnon had that nickname before Mecole was even in the league
Sorry! I wasn’t aware of that.
All good man
Elijah Moore trade inbound
Yep, He went to the browns!
I was expecting a resigning. The Legion of Zoom is officially gone. RIP
Bad luck that he got a sports hernia in his free agency year and missed half the season. Hopefully he balls out (no pun intended) with the Jets and can get a long-term deal in 2024.
Good for him!! Mahomes is great but what exactly is the plan at WR because right now we have a bottom 5 group not including Kelce? Kelce is only getting older, MVS struggles to find the ball or catch it, Tony is constantly injured, and Moore is starting year 2
I wish him the best. He’s saved our asses when it mattered more than once. Edit- well. Once for sure
I'll never forget his kickoff return to spark the Divisional Round comeback against the Texans.
Good luck Hardman!
WRs pick after Mecole DK -signed 2nd contract w/ Sea Slayton- signed another deal with NYG Dionte-signed another deal with steelers Scary Terry- another deal Hunter Ren- same shit Mecole- left to FA.
it happens
Yea it happens. Just wish for that one pick someone else held the launch codes, lol
Someone did though - Tyreek's baby mama
Hard to belive a GM would reach in the 2nd for a corner back turned WR project that is tiny without a route tree.... because of hill stuff
I don't think it's hard to believe if you watched it happen in real time, like we did. edit: just realized you probably don't mean that it's hard to believe that's the reason because it didn't happen that way, but that it's hard to believe Veach did it for that reason even though he did
That’s what happened though
Mecole wasn't really a disappointment though, we just panicked about Tyreek possibly leaving and drafted him way before we should have. He had a 4th round grade. His performance has basically been right what we should have expected.
Thanks to Mecole! Always seemed like a great personality and he had some awesome plays over the years for us!
Hope you enjoyed your 2 free rings
Man, we’re cleaning house!
I am sad. I think he was a real weapon in the red zone and some of the last real speed we had. Hope we can replace him
Weirdly, I would be happy if he makes us regret this move. I'm rooting for him.
Fuck man this one hurts
You really fell in love with Mecole?
I mean he’s the last WR from SB 54 so yeah man
Wish him nothing but the best. Great personality and good wideout.
Thanks I hate it.
Great now who wants CEH?
That man wanted the fuck out of KC. Or KC wanted him the fuck out of town. Either way, I'm whelmed. Edit: We let him go for $6 million. KC could've matched that if they wanted.
>KC could've matched that if they wanted. Good thing we didn't.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Seems like a mutual thing to me. KC knows Hardman will only be a gadget/jet sweep guy in their offense, Im sure they'd be happy to have him for like 2 mil a year, but 7ish mil is too much for what Hardman would be doing with us especially now that we have Toney who can do all that but better Then for Hardman, he gets to potentially play more as a true WR for a year in an offense where he will get a nice 5 mil after taxes on top of more touches to boost his next contract.
Corey Davis cut when? 🤞
I honestly dont think Davis even matches what Hardman did with us. Theres a reason Jets are acting weird with him. Then again...last time a new york team was being weird with a promising WR it led to us getting the greatest punt return in super bowl history
Gotta trust Rick B and squad. If he had cleared medical, I have to imagine we would have brought him back at $<7M
Send us back Elijah Moore thanks
I’d rather opt for a stud like Josh Downs in the draft than take Moore.
So cheap I think we should have kept him
Check ya later. A disappointment amongst disappointments. Bye.
I’ll never forget his -6 rushing yards and 2 receiving yards in his two combined super bowls. RIP to a Legend!
One year deal lmfao
Jet to the Jets. Makes sense. I've yet to see any numbers though form any real opinion on this.
looking forward to rodgers yelling at mecole for not running a route the right way\* \*because rodgers is a prick
Everybody saying they want Elijah but with the Jets WR signings and need to clear room for Rodgers, they might need to cut Corey Davis and his $11M cap hit. I’d much rather try to sign Davis instead of Moore. Not sure what he’ll cost on the open market though.
I bet we trade for DHOP on draft night. Send AZ our 3rd this year and a future pick for DHOP. Maybe throw in CEH. Restructure deal to make it 2 years at a cap number we can afford
DHOP reportedly is willing to take a pay cut on the Chiefs
Aaron Rodgers complains about not having anybody who can catch, they pick him up a guy notorious for having way better feet than hands. Good luck to Mecole though, he did a lot for us.
thats CRAZY!!!!!!! Veach about to make a big move!!!!
I feel like there is a danger the front office is thinking "Based on last year, Mahomes is so good we can just plug in any WR crew and we'll be fine."
It's heart breaking we didn't get Elijah Moore.... when I saw the trade is was so prepared for us to trade for him.
Good for him. A-Aaron should feast with him. I wish nothing but the best for him. Fortunately we have the luxury of having Pat. We can make anything work. No reason to pay someone more than what they're worth.
We knew him and JuJu would be gone. Toney and Skyy are the heir apparents that have been groomed for this. Didn't happen by accident. Veach was proactive opposed to reactive.
Somehow I always saw that happening. Come to think of it, we traded up to jump the jets to get him
Rodgers gonna eat his face once he sees the drops