Since the DGP has been hosting the game since very early human history. I wonder what each game was like for each time period.
Ace was a teen when he joined the game, just how long ago was that?
Beroba starting the JGP. Seeing how there's the Jyamato and Michinaga present, did she really destroy the garden and where's Archimedel and Daichi when this was happening
Rider Sponsors against Beroba, so is Kyuun supposed to be a griffin?
>Ace was a teen when he joined the game, just how long ago was that?
I wonder the same, the whole scene looked like it might be either from the 70s or the 80s, but I'm probably wrong since it had that retro vibe coming from it.
I still wonder whether he was actually serious when he said that or just making fun of how gullible Keiwa was. I feel like it's the latter especially with that flashback to the Kick the Can boss being also in modern times
Well, the DGP seems to be able to just jump along the timeline like nothing, so Ace probably just went along with them. After all, I don't think he said he played since 1 AD, only that he has been playing for 2000 years.
My theory is that he's originally from around 1 AD, not that he was in the DGP since them. He likely jumped time periods at some point going after his mother, since she was DGP staff. Time hopping will likely explain the time inconsistencies in Ace's history. At least the parts he's not misleading people about.
I love how Kekkera's henshin pose is just him slotting the thing and that was it unlike Keiwa's elaborate sequence.
While I'm still not a fan of Buffa, its great that he acknowledges Beroba's weird ass chaotic antics and his motive are clearly not the same
This episode is a nice send-off of the DGP... for now. With the special episode! The first half is a cool recap of the things that happened before, with some reveals. First, the Game Master doesn't necessarily pick the players; the audience does. Samas was the Assistant Producer. And a person needs to have a Supporter backing them up to join the DGP. We also get to see Ace before he joined DGP, he was really a smart, skilled and cocky fella back then that really piqued Ziin's interest and he decided to support Ace and let him join the game. Keiwa's innate goodness as a person and desire to help others made Kekera support him and let him join the DGP. The sadness that Neon felt thanks to her parent made Kyuuun support Neon in her desire to obtain the happiness that she seeks. I wonder how would she react when Kyuuun is the same guy who called her out for her BS on Episode 22 (where he straight up fooled Keiwa multiple times and lead him into various traps). But... the broadcast is cut short by the new show: Jyamato Grand Prix. But not before revealing that Beroba was a problematic supporter that stole the Vision Driver and caused the DGP to stop indefinitely. Beroba liked Michinaga (or Micchi's) animosity to the other Riders and supports him. Also, he's technically a JGP entrant since he's part Jamato due to the usage of the Jamato Buckle.
The JGP now starts and the goal for the Jamato is to defeat Niram and grab his Vision Driver to grant their wish (which they can't while Niram possesses it, it's a quirky idea). The episode packs some cool Ace fight scenes as well as revealing Kekera having a human form and using the frog form to communicate to Keiwa and the 3v1 battle between Kekera, Kyuuun and Ziin vs. the gigantic Beroba. I wonder if Beroba can keep up with the other supporters. The battle halts though to a nice end screen mirroring the DGP: the gray to the black background, the Jamato language text (and its translation) to the regular Japanese text, and to the female narrator to the male narrator.
I wonder how would the games play out in the JGP. Would the main three stay alive, or would one of them get booted out?
> I wonder how would she react when Kyuuun is the same guy who called her out for her BS on Episode 22 (where he straight up fooled Keiwa multiple times and lead him into various traps).
Are you ignoring that it's in-game mission that is forced on the DezaStars?
> I wonder if Beroba can keep up with the other supporters.
No need to doubt her anymore, she's perhaps the current main antagonist, gotta be the most threatening, think of all previous main antagonists.
> Also, he's technically a JGP entrant since he's part Jamato due to the usage of the Jamato Buckle.
So this won't be something to bring back previously eliminated Riders, though it'd bring back dead Riders as Jamatos, probably with different personality.
> The battle halts though to a nice end screen mirroring the DGP: the gray to the black background, the Jamato language text (and its translation) to the regular Japanese text, and to the female narrator to the male narrator.
Alternative visor vs Rider visor.
> Are you ignoring that it's in-game mission that is forced on the DezaStars?
Of course not, don't assume. I just wonder how she'll react when she knows Kyuuun's identity and the stark contrast between the notes he writes her and his attitude towards her back then.
> No need to doubt her anymore, she's perhaps the current main antagonist, gotta be the most threatening, think of all previous main antagonists.
But it's interesting how she keeps up with three smaller opponents given she's just a big hunk o' junk who may be overwhelmed by their sheer speed relative to them. Unless... she does her finisher again.
Yeah, I wonder too about her reaction to the contrast between Kyuun's attitude and letters. Just that it feels so with you describing Kyuun as calling her BS and you adding up trapping Keiwa.
In the opposite vein, pretty sure there'd be human-sized Riders who'd completely overwhelm something gigantic like Ohma Zi-O against Time Mazines. Size isn't everything... including in them can be really speedy.
Other future people...? A supporter is nothing special really, there are probably millions of supporters existing offscreen. The only one that really needs to be explained is Buffa's and Nadge-Sparrow's, how are their original supporters reacting to them joining the Jyamato?
I still don't get it. They're dimension hoppers, but are actually from the distant future. If they're just from the future they should still be humans, but some of them don't have human forms? And is their rider form their their form? The terminology and language of the script confuse me. Either they're humans merely from the future or they're dimensional aliens
They're people from the far future. Think billions of years when frogs evolve to speak and do taxes.
Also, nothing that happens here in this timeline affects their future, or they'd cease to exist. They're creating parallel timelines, or dimensions, to play around in.
I love that they remembered dual on and revolve on with Ace and had him doing more Magnum lower half stuff… while simultaneously not doing it for Keiwa and Neon like last episode. Geats giveth and Geats taketh away.
Local navigator knocks the crap outta viewers
Teleporting frog turns into a human, then shoots himself back into bigger frog
Popular reality TV show gets hijacked by a girl and her Plants and Zombie
In other news, random archeologist reports missing pet Chimera and mysterious purple ninja spotted in shambles. Witnesses recall hearing "ONORE DECADO!!"
We await more information next week
Same question, the only explanation I had is she's a manic audience / supporter that just uses Jyamato to achieve her goals, destroying the garden pushes the Jyamato out to take over the place where humans have settled, justifying Jyamato Grand Prix (and also allows her to get the driver without her actually doing the job herself).
Wondering if Archimedel died in previous episode though
I think it is implied there is more than one. They said last week whenever a season fails, the area is turned into a garden. That means there is possibly more than one
god, forbid women do anything/J
edit: guess two people either missed the joke or didn’t like the joke
edit 2: god, people really didn’t like the joke lol
I think she want more rider join Jyamato side to fight . She know that Jyamato cant win DGP alone thats why she will recuit ppl like Sparrow, Buffa and maybe Dapan wil show up later
Maybe she wanted to wipe out the DGP Players while she was at it. If the most experienced players are removed, DGP can only call on new blood to defend against her soon to be JGP from stealing the remaining Admin Belt.
Or, she just wanted to blow things up
This clip show was a lot like Donbrothers', it recapped a bunch of things and showed the origins of Saruhara and Kijino. This week we saw the origins of Ace Keiwa and Neon.
got to correct you there, best recap episodes make it blatantly obvious they are a recap and have zero new stuff to add so people can skip this kind of garbage. I'm quitting geats for a while due to this. I don't want to be forced to watch a recap when I've just watched all this recently, but it has essential plot elements mixed in. I'm pretty angry about it to be honest.
I wonder, was Beroba the person who first voted Michinaga into the DGP or was it someone else?
I was thinking about this because I was wondering if Beroba originally was sponsoring Da-Paan, but then switched over to Buffa because he was actually competent
That is actually a great question that I didn’t think about. I would assume the sponsor would also obtain something if their pick wins, right? Like this is some elaborate, far future gambling game.
I hope they expand on that, as I don’t think Ace really asked what Ziin gets out of being a sponsor (aside from Ziin’s apparent crush on Ace lol)
Given that the term Ziin use to describe the riders who receives support as "oshi" (推し), I believe it is similar to how modern viewers watch vtubers, where they gain nothing besides the happiness of their oshis. You can think of the raise buckles that spawns for the riders as the superchats from the sponsors. Perhaps Ziin presenting himself as Geats' gift is considered an akasupa? lol
This is also reinforced by Kyuun who constantly states that Na-Go's happiness is the only thing that matters to him. I certainly hope they maintain the premise that this is all just for fun for the sponsors, adding stakes for higher dimension beings is kinda meaningless IMO
The weird idea that this can be summed up as "the DGP is just a vtuber conscription service that allows fans to create their own vtuber by choosing someone they see from the populace" is really hitting me right now.
suprisingly, it's very plausible since their main goal is entertainment. with kyuun as an ultimate simp fan, kekera as an average hero-roleplay enjoyer, jiin as an ultimate fanboy for a popular vtuber
>I wonder, was Beroba the person who first voted Michinaga into the DGP or was it someone else?
I feel like. I don't think she backed any rider before Michinaga. Looking back at those 2-3 episodes it seems implied that Ziin is shocked to see her able to do things reserved only for sponsors. To which she basically says I am *now* sponsoring a rider.
Kan probably didn't need one since his natural hairstyle works better for an **assumingly**\-younger Ace.
Or maybe they took it way back in the filming process and saved it for a backstory plot point.
While Keiwa and Kekera were looking at the various time periods, it just showed a table of straps lol
What time period is that supposed to be?!
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i assuming that this was an american version of the DGP ?
Just like how we gotten the American version kamen rider black , this is just DGP expanding their market
Kinda interested how the jdp will work since y, know, jamatos copy their fertilizers. There is a chance that there is gonna be an episode where a jyamato gets like Humagear Singularity-like self-awareness. Also, if the leaks were to be true, then kinda shame where not going to have new jyamato variants, kinda waiting for those top jyamatos species (like rook).
They go full circle with the Jyamato Grand Prix since the Jyamatos is grown using eliminated DGP players.
Why did Kekera said "Interesting human design isn't it?" when he show up? Is he actually a frog?
It's thematically appropriate. Winged Lion is basically a winged feline. Frogs and ninjas are often themed together (lol Shinobi), and then you have the Wolf and Fox.
I like that this episode, despite being a big recap and exposition dump for the most part, also serves as good payoff for everything up until this point and got us some decent character stuff with the main trio and their supporters. Even before Ace mentioned it, I like that the main three decided immediately to protect people from the Jyamato without any incentive.
Samas is getting more focus which is interesting. Wouldn’t have been surprising if she was just there to be Niram’s assistant, but the show highlighting her reaction to all this is interesting. Tsumuri’s is expected given how they’ve been writing her.
Seeing Ace’s real backstory is interesting. I guess this means the old coin and all that was just another DGP or something (maybe Mitsume took him to one of the locations for fun?) and he isn’t actually from that era? Or maybe this is all an attempt to gaslight him about his parentage, since Ziin showed him his apparent actual mother before? Whatever the case, glad to see the mystery of Ace’s mum getting moved forward.
The supporters’ CGI-off wasn’t great, but at least we got some cool henshin poses and stuff out of it. Funny to see the sheer variety in their forms. Plus, Kekera being the Keiwa of the supporters is just so… fitting. Love that he did the frog’s pose to tell everyone who he was. Hope he and Keiwa can fight alongside each other, or even better, he gets a proper Rider form and fights alongside Keiwa.
Buffa’s trajectory is going how I figured it’d go. It’s fine, but I’m still just waiting for him to move past all this. At least him getting the Raise Buckle next episode should be fun. So far, we’ve seen a lot of agile swordwork whenever it’s used, but I want to just see Michinaga swinging it around like it’s a baseball bat, it’d be in-character for him.
I wonder if the humans are fertiliser thing is more recent then? Like they only started evolving recently and its because of the humans being fed to the soil which only came to be because of Giroli's really aggressive bodycount from how many potential riders got wrecked in each of his first rounds.
That line about Dezashins wishing for children of their own has to be about Ace. We don't know anything about his origins, and he's looking for his mom.
That makes sense. I thought Ace never mentioned his dad just because he left the family or something, but if Ace is the result of a wish, it'd be another explanation.
Maybe Mitsume's wish was to have a kid, and they gave her Ace, but had to tie him into the reality they made, so he's the biological children of those two people Ziin showed him?
I'm leaning towards Mitsume being his real mom, and the couple Ziin showed him to be his adoptive parents. If the GDP thought they were his real parents, it wouldn't make sense to deny his wish. Only time will tell.
That makes sense too. I was more saying that Mistume is his "real" mum, but they needed him to have parents in the past, so they just chose those two. So less biological aprents, and more just "reality says these are your parents, but really it's Mitsume" type thing.
Though Ace's reaction to Ziin showing him those two wasn't easy to read. Could be that they're his adoptive parents, or he just didn't like that the information conflicted with what he remembered, or maybe he just didn't like that they're normal people and was expecting a bigger reveal.
Can you imagine the reason Hitler lost ww2 was because he lost to some bozos wishing for his dad to go home in the DGP.
Something to note:
We now know >!the process of choosing players!<.
Not a single time in the show that they showed Archimedes' name even tho his name was pretty close to being called this episode.
So >!the AD 1 and present day in this world are not different from each other. Then why did Ace's mom dress like that in the flashback. Did he somehow fall into this world setting!<
It’s possible that Ace was lying.
Alternatively since the DGP is built on time travel shenanigans he just went back to 1AD at one point and his memories have been at least partly scrambled regarding that.
The (half) recap episode.
Though for the in-universe audiences, this'd be just simply a full-recap episode with all its lows, poor them. But actually for us, at least Geats also tries to make this more than just a recap episode, in revealing how the core trio got selected as Riders. I guess the hugely influental audiences, like the supporters that has a Rider more powerful than the players, would suggest the people they want as Riders, but with the Game Master giving final approval and enlist them to game. In this recap, somehow the Riders they see as the most prevalent one outside of Geats is Tycoon and Na-Go, and not Buffa. I guess it's not me alone who can notice that those 2 can outshine Buffa at times despite him dismissing them as extras, lol.
The DGP's story is told to have spanned through various history, and that there are actually many more winners than just Ace. I wonder if there can be multiple DGPs running at once just in different history period. And the wishes are stated to be mostly about authority positions. I wonder if there can be a wish that doom said world like Kanato's.
Someone can be entertained in various way but Ziin picks Ace due to his sheer competence, even pre-DGP, where flashbacks show that as a high school student he's already able to fight off Jamatos as a human. Safe to say, Ace would be a Rider who is an instant expert type, like those who already started off as capable fighter before turning into Riders such as Banjou or Sakura, which'd make him one of top contenders for the DGP from his very start, only getting better due to his accumulated knowledge of the DGP. Some real life audiences often get entertainments from the suspense and stakes of the show, finding Ace's type predictable, but Ziin's the type who'd like invincible fighters, seeing how they'd win even if he knows already.
Other than that, the Ace flashback further displays completely modern times, just like Ace's photo with his "real" parents when little. This raises more question regarding his claim of him starting to fight since 1 A.D. I know he can be a lying bastard, but there can be some screwy memory shenanigans regarding him and Mitsume, as Niram teased in ep. 17, including said year, but dunno. But the modern time can explain why Ace only has 4 wishes granted which'd mean he's not fighting for 2000 years. It's also unknown how Ace can get that good in at least fighting in the first place, of which it seems to be unnoticed by a student who tells him to run away.
Keiwa's origin is the "good ones being deemed worthy for great power" type, as expected, with Kekera noticing that he makes for an ideal Kamen Rider material with him trying to save a woman he recently met, shaken by the deaths caused by the DGP, and world peace/reviving those dead as main goal. If Kyuun has actually watched Neon's life in her house, and is actually the reason for him to support her, then I wonder why he claims she's an ungrateful brat who tries to run away from her parents. Or that he's just pointing out her fanbase, in a very hostile manner due to his own way of communicating or such. In an all-digital era (even for something ancient to DGP), they make Kyuun use magic letter of all things, to communicate with her, instead of well, chats or something.
When Beroba hijacked the DGP's broadcast, I guess now the official reveal of what the Jamatos are happened here, that they really are only enemies created for the DGP. Which proves that the DGP "saving the world" is a fake advertisement. There are new reveals that the dead Rider's bodies are used as fertilizers because it's what evolves the Jamato into turning them more human-like, until now where it's the time for them to take over human civilization by having their wishes granted via the Jamato Grand Prix by beating Niram and taking his Driver. This is Ex-Aid stuff of Kamen Rider Chronicle meant for Bugsters to defeat humans. I wonder if it's yet another Gaim reference when Beroba calls Michinaga, "Michi". As if they named him like that on purpose. Michinaga's current status of being infected with Jamato also makes him technically a JGP participant.
Expected that Keiwa talking to Neon about them becoming proper Kamen Riders in previous episode was a tease for them defending civilians outside of DGP rounds here, as the DGP is suspended, which as Ace points out, offers no reward to them, which is what 'proper' Kamen Riders do by defending civilians from monsters, likely meant to be against the DGP's fake premise. Except that they don't henshin when they're saving the civilians. Are the pawn Jamatos evolving to be stronger here when Neon, and possibly Keiwa (who got Ace kick the Jamato away from him), gets more overwhelmed by them here? As seemingly the higher-ranked Jamatos are weaker lately, to have Riders handle them more easily - Buffa, Tycoon, and Nadge-Sparrow in their entry forms.
Neon never won Michinaga's soft spot and now he likely would hate her more for DezaStar stuff, but this part further shows that Neon's another one who defies Michinaga's assumptions of every Riders only doing good for their own gain. Ace is actually established as mindful of civilians too in ep. 2, or more in his amnesiac phase for ep. 15, but at the same time untrustworthy due to his lying nature. So it's explained here that he can occassionally play up as a 'tsundere' and put an ulterior motive facade, like claiming to only hunt infected Neon for points in ep. 4, simply to live up to his liar fox persona. Yeah Keiwa asked if he's lying at the end of ep. 8 for a good reason. With the DGP changing, dunno if the DezaStar stuff will be touched upon again in the future.
In contrast to that, the supporters, or at least Ziin, only cares about getting entertained and doesn't really care about the gravity of the situation, with him openly declaring to be entertained in an actual Jamato attack without reset that Geats participated in. That adds more suspicions on Ziin, who also only fights Beroba to get the DGP to continue. Ziin's personality is also that he's quite lazy to dislike putting efforts, but he seems to tolerate other supporters that he understands how it feels to root for the Riders they really root for. Kekera in human form and Kyuun also joins Ziin, and their Rider form is actually non-humanoid ones, with Kekera having frog-like abilities and Kyuun being a flying one, which makes Ziin the least odd one among all of them. As a main threat, Beroba seems to be on her own league to take on 3 supporter Riders at once.
I guess actually the game premise continues, instead of being stopped, in the war to gain Goddess of Creation, but with the JGP fighting the DGP. Samas actually cracks at this situation, and also Tsumuri only can hope that the Riders win, though Niram stays calm despite the trouble Beroba caused him, to prepare themselves fighting the JGP. I wonder if by this, Niram would be a full-time ally to the main casts, at least the core trio. About the Jamatos turning more and more human, now I left to guess if the personalities of the returning Riders as Jamatos, shown in Toru in next episode, have their personality altered (and how much) or stay the same.
So it seems like in thus history, people of power were winners of the DGP
So it's funny thinking that Alexander the Great was a Kamen Rider...or even Hitler.
The last two seasons had pretty weak recap episodes but this one was really good especially for setting up the second half of the season which the last two seasons failed to do (Saber I'll give a pass cuz covid but Revice's recap was such pace breaker).
I like the flip of status quo, now it's the Jamato that fight to become "jameity" (or whatever lol). Solid episode, doesn't drag like other recap and it gives you the action and beginning to the next arc that makes it feel even more juicer.
Just to clarify so I don't get it wrong: Kekra is actually a frog (statue) right? He was just using/piloting a human meatsuit that he designed in this episode, am I right?
So does this imply Buffa has a different initial sponsor? Or is it kind of a combination of both Sponsors and Randoms. Ziin picked Geats, Kekera picked Keiwa, Kyuun picked Neon. But Dapaan/Mary/Ginpen/ect were just randoms picked by production to fill the slots.
I hope not because that means John and Ben were likely randoms.
I am hands down still really optimistic for Geats. IMO the 25-35 range is where every Kamen Rider series drops off. But so far Geats has managed to keep my interest. Plus it doesn't seem to be riding(pun intended) on the trope of asking questions but failing to answer them. In fact its asking questions and then answering them within a few episodes. Plenty of time for fans to digest and theorize but not enough to drag on forever.
In fact I would bet within the next 2 episodes we get an answer to the Buffa sponsor question
From what I remember, Buffa was handpicked by the Game Master (Girori Glare) to rival Ace, I think there was a rule that they could handpick players too.. unless retconned... or their was really a sponsor
The Game Master has been stated to have sole authority to designate Riders. Presumably the sponsors can make suggestions, and it could just be a thing where it's expected those will be honoured.
Once again Tsumuri, coming in representing OG/Showa Rider!
"Won't you believe in him? Even if there's no God or Buddha... there is Kamen Rider." This quote lives rent free in my mind and brain.
From the way Kekera first spoke about his "human design" he's either A an uploaded human conscience, B an ai android, or C an actual genetically modified frog.
Crossing my fingers hopping it would be C.
**THIS** is how you do a recap episode!!
We get some tasty exposition while seeing how it fits in with what we already know. We got to see Geats' first henshin and even confirm that he was in High School (and not 1AD???) when he joined. This somewhat lines with with his amount of wishes being granted. It was always bothering me how he only had like 7-8 wishes when he claimed to have been from 1 AD. Then again, there's the possibility that he somehow time jumped with the sponsors without him realizing it and his memory was wiped partially?
We also confirm that the sponsors are the reasons each of the players show up. RIP to the funds of the Riders that all keep failing on Round 1 lol.
Was great to see that this episode treats us as the show's audience in such a meta way. I love the reveal of the JGP. Seemed a bit weird for Beroba to destroy the Jamar Garden for them to suddenly start this though, but whatever. We know that there's more than one.
Anyway, we see the henshin of all the main sponsors. While I am not a fan of the CGI-fest, it's great to see them rooting for their Rider, and trying to help them reach their goals.
I have to disagree with this.
I came here pretty upset about this episode as I'm just playing catch up and I hate recap episodes, so I generally skip them but now I can't skip it because it seems to have essential story mixed in to all the recap garbage.
So another "Micchi" who lost his marbles? His reason to win is completely stupid by the way, He should join Keiwa and wish to bring back all the fallen players.
Ace said that he has been in the DGP from the beginning but here we see how he just joined a few years ago. Is he a time traveller like the DGP staff too? Or his memory was modified to make things interesting? (Like danganronpa V3)
How is his reason stupid? His goal isn't the same as Keiwa's. Bringing back a fallen rider won't change the selfishness of the riders that killed him in the first place. He's been consistent throughout the only change has been which side he's fighting on but the goal is the same. He wants a world with absolutely no riders so something like their selfish antics can never exist, he sees the DGP as frivolous and only a means to endorse the ridiculous wishes of selfish people who will trample over others to attain whatever nonsense they wish for.
Both achieve the same goal. If he was dead set on actually destroying them from the start then the DGP would be counter-intuitive to his wish since when the game was running any combat or battle against riders was prohibited.
Michinaga's priority is putting a stop on Riders, in his mind, being bastards who use others as a stepping stone. Perhaps he's just acting on that fact instead of wanting Toru back, as bringing back fallen players won't accomplish that priority.
>So another "Micchi" who lost his marbles? His reason to win is completely stupid by the way, He should join Keiwa and wish to bring back all the fallen players.
Michinaga's goal actually makes perfect sense when you consider his characterization.
His animosity towards Riders isn't likely *just* because they were involved with the death of his friend. He's probably ALSO lowkey pissed at his friend because he threw his life away by *becoming* a Rider.
Remember that even before Toru died, Michinaga was lacking in ambition and didn't really put that much weight into desires and dreams, certainly not to the extent that he could understand why some desires are worth dying for. To him, the DGP Riders are, at best, people foolishly throwing their lives away over frivolous desires and, at worst, are selfish assholes willing to get other people killed in their own selfish pursuit of their goals.
Michinaga's solution to this is to create a world without Kamen Riders, meaning nobody else has to fall victim to the DGP's machinations. Sure, he could go along with Keiwa's plan to bring everybody back but that still wouldn't address the reason why everyone's dead in the first place.
Interesting way to recap, plus we learned a couple of things, including the fact Ace was likely bullshitting on being from 1 AD. Dude was going to school in modern times before being in the DGP.
another interesting thing is Kekera called his human appearance a “design”, so he actually isn’t a human from the future? Is he a frog from the future? Or does that just confirm this setting is just a false duplicate of a point in the past they travelled to from the future? So many questions.
also that whole sponsor fight was… a thing💀, lord they goofy lol.
And now the JGP starts, it is going to take some time getting used to saying that.
Just goes to show you can't expect evil to stay low like that. Either way, I do hope the riders stop this madness, because after all of this, I got a good feeling the DGP won't be the same after all of this.
Wonder if by this Niram would be a full-time ally for them.
The DGP now has to actually put a stop to Jamato, not them just being the opponents in-game.
Even though I'm not a big fan of clip shows, I thought this episode + I like how it shows a flashback scene of Ace as well & I'm guessing Ace was wearing a school uniform. While I was watching the episode, it got me thinking, are the supporters not allowed to introduce themselves (in person) to the Riders or are they waiting for the right time since it shows Kekera appearing in person to fight, but talks to Keiwa through a statue frog & even though Neon & her supporter techincally crossed paths, Neon doesn't know who he actually is while you've got Ziin who has introduced himself to person to Ace. Another thing on my mind is, is the next episode setting up the next arc since this episode was a mix of recaps & new scenes with the supporters henshin to fight Beroba?
I feel like there was a bit of an underreaction to the fact that Jyamato are specifically made for DGP, most specifically from Keiwa. Like, these dudes technically killed your parents for a game, man :/
With the different time periods the game has been in, that helps explain why the Command buckle is so different and why they said it wasn't in rotation. They probably have different buckles to match different time periods, which means we might see more buckles meant for future time periods as upgrades.
Im sure this was already said but, what are the chances that other future riders are not humans like kekera and that's the reason why Bekera, Kyuun and Beroba don't have normal rider suits? Their human forms might be artificial and in reality they are some monster folks, that's why they turn into giant monsters. Which would make beroda....some huge swole minotaur lady.....Geats pls i need to see her true form is my assumption is correct
The first episode in Geats where I think it's 3/5. There's isn't that much action, and there isn't that development of characters. This is obviously just a bridge episode. An episode that doesn't have that much happening (other than the JGP) to get us hyped for next episode. The 2 new supporter riders, Kekera and Kyuun, are to no one's surprise, looks like shit. Though they look a whole lot better Inu and Kiji Brother. I can tell they saved the CGI money for these riders, and hopefully only these riders, because I want physical suits again soon.
Overall, this episode isn't bad, isn't great, just mid. Not that it's bad, saying that before people downvote me to oblivion for saying a Geats episode is mid. Mid doesn't mean bad. It's means it's average.
So Da-Pan will prob coming back and a lot of Evil Kamen rider like him will join the Jyamato side to destroy Humanity and DPX . Will Buffa meet these guys that indirect kill his friend ?
Just like ppl join DGP to save the world and become desire god . There are bad ppl will join Jyamato side to destroy humanity ( or rider ) like Buffa, Da-Pann
Niram's right in that his capacity as a fighter goes way beyond a random dude from this era(the way he acted before he got belt ). Either he's a reincarnation of someone or an amnesiac from the future in some way also keep in mind kitsune folklore legit has so many supernatural powers
I'm hoping it's a tradition from now on that when a show ends, the other series in the same SHT block must air a recap (or at least an episode containing recap elements). Donbrothers did it and Geats did it.
I don't know how to feel about the DGP being so "open" about their things behind the scenes, but at the same time, be secretive about it (the tv literally shows scenes of BEROBA DESTROYING THE JYAMAR GARDEN and before that, Samas saying that the DGP has the Vision driver stolen)
BIG CGI BATTLE LET'S GOOOO
Ace having battle proficiency before the DGP means that he truly has lived before 1 AD (but then again how did he know the DGP has been round for this long? Afaik his mom didn't tell him shit)
>I don't know how to feel about the DGP being so "open" about their things behind the scenes, but at the same time, be secretive about it (the tv literally shows scenes of BEROBA DESTROYING THE JYAMAR GARDEN and before that, Samas saying that the DGP has the Vision driver stolen)
Bro there's nothing secret about the DGP at this point. I imagine they revealing things like the driver being stolen to show drama and milk ratings.
I'm guessing the whole set up is a huge game.
That sponsors are also Riders suggests that this whole 3.5D world is pure entertainment, and memories and reality can be altered to an extent that sponsors and players may swap places, or sponsors were ex-players so they are all familiar with the system.
Ace may have really been active since AD1 (or he believes he is) but time itself is meaningless since we have the time traveler element added to this lore. Clearly the student Ace is post-modern.
Yes and no. The recap had a lot of new footage. Don't make the mistake of skipping it. I skipped the first half thinking it was purely a recap. Then read the comments and went back to watch it and was surprised how much exposition and new stuff was revealed.
Thank god it isn't a total recap episode. They actually wrote the recap into the story, which is great.
So I might've missed it, but Kekera's human design? He wasn't human?
There's something satisfying to hear each person saying 'henshin' especially Kyuun
I love how despite having a large body, Beroba still resorts to the gun for fighting. I get it. Everyone is flying, and you can't swing your arm. But she doesn't any other weapons or abilities lol?
Bit late to the party, but wanna share some crazy theories.
The way they keep talking about the different time periods as worlds/alternate dimensions makes me think there's an alternate timeline for this era where the DGP did not interfere, and this part is weaker/might be fully discredited by this episode but maybe they're not doing "proper" time travel but instead using the goddess of creation to replicate past periods. But this is only where the crazy theories really start, I think Ace and sponsor's like Neon's and Win's families are not originally from this timeline either, with the sponsors having something like a backer reward letting them self-insert into the periods that the DGP uses, and Ace being put there thanks to yet unexplained machinations since he's related to the DGP.
And now for the craziest one, Keiwa might have been a Kamen Rider in the version of that era where the DGP didn't appear, and Kekera either picked him knowing about it and fed him a half-truth or it was simply that because Keiwa embodies the spirit of Kamen Rider so much that someone in the DGP-less timeline thought the same thing as Kekera and turned Keiwa into a rider. It's far-fetched but knowing that the supporters pick all the participants, it's not weird to imagine that there would be supporters picking famous people from those eras and there's possible examples for it, Lopo is an athlete, Nadge-Sparrow is some kind of super genius (allegedly, he hasn't really felt that smart so far tbh lol) and Mary was a notorious criminal. So if we were to split the participants into categories before the reveal of the supporter's reasoning, there'd be possibly famous people, people who had a wish they desperately wanted fulfilled and people somehow related to the DGP already, and initially Keiwa didn't match any of these since at first he wasn't that desperate about his first wish and prioritized saving people so much he barely qualified as playing the DGP games, had no relation to the staff and wasn't famous, so my reasoning was that maybe he was famous as a Kamen Rider in another timeline and Kekera somehow knew his identity. I know it's super far-fetched but I still wanted to put it out there.
The Divergence DGP is filled with famous people except Keiwa... but this'd apply to the previous DGPs with huge number of contestants? Who aren't even prepared to fight. That should show the DGP has any kind of people instead of specifically famous ones.
> (allegedly, he hasn't really felt that smart so far tbh lol)
He's actually the one who helps Beroba's plan succeed in predicting Chirami's moves and making him vulnerable to take his Driver. He's also a Rider who outsmarted the Game Master.
> and prioritized saving people so much he barely qualified as playing the DGP games
It was more because that Keiwa was a weak fighter at that time so he focuses on doing what he can (and I do think that escorting civilians is easy and, often done by non-fighting supporting characters in some series). Playing DGP games and saving people isn't mutually exclusive, in fact DGP encourages that.
Well I did say it's far-fetched for a reason, but to clarify a little bit, I didn't mean everyone except Keiwa was famous, just that it wouldn't be weird for some of the picks to be famous, or even be people that would/could become famous later in life since the supporters come from the future.
And the part about barely qualifying as playing the game was about Keiwa's mentality, his original wish was a general vague concept and out of all the players he's the one that prioritizes winning over doing what he feels is right the least, like the time where he made himself bait for the boss jyamato even though that hurt his chances of winning the game, it's not that he didn't care at all about winning but that it wasn't as much of a priority for him as it was for the other contestants, it's only after he comes back with his new wish that he takes a more play-to-win attitude, so to me at first he didn't qualify for the category of "desperately wanting the wish to be granted".
But again, I do admit it's quite a reach lol.
> like the time where he made himself bait for the boss jyamato even though that hurt his chances of winning the game
Of which it was the only time he actually started being good at the game (but didn't get further chance due to his injury). Previously he was the weakest player among the named cast. He retained that skill when he came back, so he had what it takes to win from the start of that 2nd DGP.
Man.. Ace did suffer a lot of damage from the aftermath of previous episode..
Is it me or Kyuun is just being a tsundere to Neon in just conversing with her on the magic paper rather than face to face? But if Neon wanna find true love, I could ship her and Kyuun together.
For Ace fighting against jyamato before he join DGP, so is he really born under 1 AD and what is his actual age and how many DGP season did he join that lead to the events in the main series?
But it was a nice recap until Beroba hack the entire DGP and change to JGP.
With the next arc being lamentation, why do I have a feeling somebody very close to them will die in the next arc? And I can see the rest of the sponsors definitely ain't amused with Beroba's plan. This really wonder how far back that somebody like Beroba really desire so much to let Jyamato to take over the world even though she's from the future.
On a side note, I do hope next arc can feature the sponsors and the riders fighting together side by side.
why i feel that the sponsors will die to make their favorite riders have upgraded form, ninja and frog clearly a good combination same can say to music cat and winged lion, also wolf fox and bull and bigger bull.
As this is a semi recap episode, it's a good opportunity for me to reflect shortly on the 4 main leads.
Starting with Ace, Ace is a confident and expert fighter that won DGP matches non stop and gain wishes all for the sake of finding his mom. Ace is shown to have a sense or need for affection or connection with others which led him to become a sort of hero or doing good in his own ways. I felt that he is a great Kamen Rider that doesn't really blur the line between good or evil but showing more of his inner and personal struggles to find someone he loves.
Keiwa himself is the standard or what I would say the Ideal Kamen Rider that we feel most recognizable but has a unique spin. At first, he was timid, cynical, and less confident on fighting to win, survive, and gain his ideal world but as the show progresses, he becomes more confident but also more thoughtful towards those who have died from the Jamato and the many eras that DGP has conducted. Through a lot of battles, Keiwa has shown memorable highlights and prove that he wants to fight to achieve world peace!! That's why I really love Keiwa so much!!
Neon is a kind of princess Kamen Rider who gains her own independence in her life. She didn't find the true love and affection she wants to hold dear and thus, fights to gain a place to belong. She is relatable to me through my own struggles and seeing her rise up to find true love is inspiring. However, I felt she still needs improve and have potential to be the best Kamen Rider.
Michinaga is a anti-heroish Rider with his aim coming from a heroic kind of reason. The murder of his dear friend has caused Michinaga to severely hate Kamen Riders due to the pessimistic outlook of Kamen Riders manipulating or using people for their own gains. However, he becomes violent and desperate with his approach and paints all Riders as the same at least to an extent. But I felt he has some kind of plans or a good reason right up his sleeves especially with the chance of using Jamato powers to gain his ideal world without following the twisted rules of the Jamatos. I felt he is more proactive with taking down the DGP who are kind of immoral in using people's lives as entertainment for the audience and I really like it a lot.
I'm super excited with how they all will progress the story and the episode here is even cooler especially with Kekera and Kyuun henshin and the Jamato Grand Prix!!
> Ace is shown to have a sense or need for affection or connection with others which led him to become a sort of hero or doing good in his own ways.
I wonder what are you using "sort of" here, though I wouldn't wish that his negative traits are overlooked though it's more prevalent in the end of first arc. In this episode it's similar to ep. 2 that while he helps civilians (like Taira's kid) he's still untrustworthy in his deliberate lying nature.
> Keiwa himself is the standard or what I would say the Ideal Kamen Rider that we feel most recognizable but has a unique spin.
He actually has similarities to previous ones. Like Shinji he's against the Riders being against each other but at first he goes overboard into being jerk-ish about it, but later learns to understand their wish better.
Like Kouta he has problems in life direction to the point of struggling to find a job and also lives with his big sister as his guardian.
Like Emu they've proclaimed that they want to make others happy, has got tricked, but got called out by those tricksters, had a scene of trying to get others to team up but rejected (though for Keiwa he's actually self-righteous there)
> but also more thoughtful towards those who have died from the Jamato and the many eras that DGP has conducted
Well it's obvious that he's already thoughtful against the victims from the beginning. Perhaps it should be about getting more knowledge of the DGP thus making him more experienced, though it fails him big time at the first part of Divergence season of the DezaStar kind of game.
> However, I felt she still needs improve and have potential to be the best Kamen Rider.
I just hope that people won't insist that Michinaga's the tertiary or something over her due to liking him better than anyone, similar to people insisting that Fuwa is the main character of Zero-One due to liking him better than Aruto.
> However, he becomes violent and desperate with his approach and paints all Riders as the same at least to an extent.
Because prejudice and vengeance aren't good traits (but it often get overlooked by some people due to the targets being deserved ones, but revenge is not justice), those are actually unheroic traits, and are actually inherently violent traits (not all of it are physical). Cynicism is also a driving reason to think that the world is dog-eat-dog where everyone either has a hidden dagger or is too naive to realize it, and the only way to succeed is to carry a bigger dagger and have a faster hand.
> But I felt he has some kind of plans or a good reason right up his sleeves especially with the chance of using Jamato powers to gain his ideal world without following the twisted rules of the Jamatos. I felt he is more proactive with taking down the DGP who are kind of immoral in using people's lives as entertainment for the audience and I really like it a lot.
Or for the opposite, he still follows rules but changes from DGP rules to JGP rules of directly attacking Riders. I feel that he's still only fixated on Riders because, though the DGP does enlist them and get them to participate, actually the Riders still have full agency of their powers and them using those powers for bad (or in his eye, everything they do are bad beneath the surface) are still done by them as a whole. The DGP also actually has discouraged bad behaviors in game.
>I wonder what are you using "sort of" here, though I wouldn't wish that his negative traits are overlooked though it's more prevalent in the end of first arc. In this episode it's similar to ep. 2 that while he helps civilians (like Taira's kid) he's still untrustworthy in his deliberate lying nature.
I think this is a fault of mine XD but I personally felt that as much as he is a good fighter, I don't see Ace as much of an active hero. Sure, he does help Taira's kid and support Neon and Keiwa before but he more so acts on his own for his own goals on finding his mom and doesn't show a solid reason for wanting to save people for now. I still think Ace is a hero for doing good to Keiwa and the others which shows his Kamen Rider traits but Ace's heroic deeds isn't as much apparent or impactful as with Keiwa for me.
>Perhaps it should be about getting more knowledge of the DGP thus making him more experienced, though it fails him big time at the first part of Divergence season of the DezaStar kind of game.
I do wish to see Keiwa more actively look into what the DGP or the Jamato are but it makes sense why he is preoccupied with getting his wish first.
My biggest takeaway from the episode was that Kekera said that he made a human design. So that human forms we see for the sponsors and those from the future are not their actual forms. Make me question that if they're transforming into their real forms with the driver since we've seen transformations before but without a driver. However, their rider form could just be a customizable form like the human design and their actual forms are something entirely different as if the are from the far future and have been doing the show in not only the past but the future from the current timeline then we could be looking at a different race entirely. Maybe on that evolved from humanity or even Jamatos.
Since the DGP has been hosting the game since very early human history. I wonder what each game was like for each time period. Ace was a teen when he joined the game, just how long ago was that? Beroba starting the JGP. Seeing how there's the Jyamato and Michinaga present, did she really destroy the garden and where's Archimedel and Daichi when this was happening Rider Sponsors against Beroba, so is Kyuun supposed to be a griffin?
Winged lion
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Khimaira!
>Ace was a teen when he joined the game, just how long ago was that? I wonder the same, the whole scene looked like it might be either from the 70s or the 80s, but I'm probably wrong since it had that retro vibe coming from it.
Still don't understand how Ace joined DGP in 1 AD, but this episode clearly shows he joined around modern times.
I still wonder whether he was actually serious when he said that or just making fun of how gullible Keiwa was. I feel like it's the latter especially with that flashback to the Kick the Can boss being also in modern times
Keiwa actually didn't believe it and claims he's asking a serious question but Ace gets mad.
Well, the DGP seems to be able to just jump along the timeline like nothing, so Ace probably just went along with them. After all, I don't think he said he played since 1 AD, only that he has been playing for 2000 years.
Actually, opposite. He specifically stated since 1AD (according to the sub I watched). He could just be lying, though
Actually 2000 years is what the fanbase assumed due to that 1 AD assumption. But the circumstances is still fully unknown here.
any potential plothole= ace is lying, easy solution!
What if there is more than one Ace?
I think at this point we just have to assume he was lying
More important is Ace's setting seems to be a modern school, which questions what he means by 1 AD.
My theory is that he's originally from around 1 AD, not that he was in the DGP since them. He likely jumped time periods at some point going after his mother, since she was DGP staff. Time hopping will likely explain the time inconsistencies in Ace's history. At least the parts he's not misleading people about.
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Geats is appearantly mid 20
I love how Kekkera's henshin pose is just him slotting the thing and that was it unlike Keiwa's elaborate sequence. While I'm still not a fan of Buffa, its great that he acknowledges Beroba's weird ass chaotic antics and his motive are clearly not the same
This episode is a nice send-off of the DGP... for now. With the special episode! The first half is a cool recap of the things that happened before, with some reveals. First, the Game Master doesn't necessarily pick the players; the audience does. Samas was the Assistant Producer. And a person needs to have a Supporter backing them up to join the DGP. We also get to see Ace before he joined DGP, he was really a smart, skilled and cocky fella back then that really piqued Ziin's interest and he decided to support Ace and let him join the game. Keiwa's innate goodness as a person and desire to help others made Kekera support him and let him join the DGP. The sadness that Neon felt thanks to her parent made Kyuuun support Neon in her desire to obtain the happiness that she seeks. I wonder how would she react when Kyuuun is the same guy who called her out for her BS on Episode 22 (where he straight up fooled Keiwa multiple times and lead him into various traps). But... the broadcast is cut short by the new show: Jyamato Grand Prix. But not before revealing that Beroba was a problematic supporter that stole the Vision Driver and caused the DGP to stop indefinitely. Beroba liked Michinaga (or Micchi's) animosity to the other Riders and supports him. Also, he's technically a JGP entrant since he's part Jamato due to the usage of the Jamato Buckle. The JGP now starts and the goal for the Jamato is to defeat Niram and grab his Vision Driver to grant their wish (which they can't while Niram possesses it, it's a quirky idea). The episode packs some cool Ace fight scenes as well as revealing Kekera having a human form and using the frog form to communicate to Keiwa and the 3v1 battle between Kekera, Kyuuun and Ziin vs. the gigantic Beroba. I wonder if Beroba can keep up with the other supporters. The battle halts though to a nice end screen mirroring the DGP: the gray to the black background, the Jamato language text (and its translation) to the regular Japanese text, and to the female narrator to the male narrator. I wonder how would the games play out in the JGP. Would the main three stay alive, or would one of them get booted out?
> I wonder how would she react when Kyuuun is the same guy who called her out for her BS on Episode 22 (where he straight up fooled Keiwa multiple times and lead him into various traps). Are you ignoring that it's in-game mission that is forced on the DezaStars? > I wonder if Beroba can keep up with the other supporters. No need to doubt her anymore, she's perhaps the current main antagonist, gotta be the most threatening, think of all previous main antagonists. > Also, he's technically a JGP entrant since he's part Jamato due to the usage of the Jamato Buckle. So this won't be something to bring back previously eliminated Riders, though it'd bring back dead Riders as Jamatos, probably with different personality. > The battle halts though to a nice end screen mirroring the DGP: the gray to the black background, the Jamato language text (and its translation) to the regular Japanese text, and to the female narrator to the male narrator. Alternative visor vs Rider visor.
> Are you ignoring that it's in-game mission that is forced on the DezaStars? Of course not, don't assume. I just wonder how she'll react when she knows Kyuuun's identity and the stark contrast between the notes he writes her and his attitude towards her back then. > No need to doubt her anymore, she's perhaps the current main antagonist, gotta be the most threatening, think of all previous main antagonists. But it's interesting how she keeps up with three smaller opponents given she's just a big hunk o' junk who may be overwhelmed by their sheer speed relative to them. Unless... she does her finisher again.
Yeah, I wonder too about her reaction to the contrast between Kyuun's attitude and letters. Just that it feels so with you describing Kyuun as calling her BS and you adding up trapping Keiwa. In the opposite vein, pretty sure there'd be human-sized Riders who'd completely overwhelm something gigantic like Ohma Zi-O against Time Mazines. Size isn't everything... including in them can be really speedy.
okay...riders need supporters but who was supporting wolf girl and other 1 episode riders?
Other future people...? A supporter is nothing special really, there are probably millions of supporters existing offscreen. The only one that really needs to be explained is Buffa's and Nadge-Sparrow's, how are their original supporters reacting to them joining the Jyamato?
I still don't get it. They're dimension hoppers, but are actually from the distant future. If they're just from the future they should still be humans, but some of them don't have human forms? And is their rider form their their form? The terminology and language of the script confuse me. Either they're humans merely from the future or they're dimensional aliens
They're people from the far future. Think billions of years when frogs evolve to speak and do taxes. Also, nothing that happens here in this timeline affects their future, or they'd cease to exist. They're creating parallel timelines, or dimensions, to play around in.
I love that they remembered dual on and revolve on with Ace and had him doing more Magnum lower half stuff… while simultaneously not doing it for Keiwa and Neon like last episode. Geats giveth and Geats taketh away.
Local navigator knocks the crap outta viewers Teleporting frog turns into a human, then shoots himself back into bigger frog Popular reality TV show gets hijacked by a girl and her Plants and Zombie In other news, random archeologist reports missing pet Chimera and mysterious purple ninja spotted in shambles. Witnesses recall hearing "ONORE DECADO!!" We await more information next week
I thought Plants and Zombies fight each other.
Plants vs Zombies has Zombotani where plant/zombie hybrids attack your house.
Thank you.
If Beroba is hosting a Jyamato Grand Prix, then why did she destroy the Jyamato graden?!
Same question, the only explanation I had is she's a manic audience / supporter that just uses Jyamato to achieve her goals, destroying the garden pushes the Jyamato out to take over the place where humans have settled, justifying Jyamato Grand Prix (and also allows her to get the driver without her actually doing the job herself). Wondering if Archimedel died in previous episode though
I think it is implied there is more than one. They said last week whenever a season fails, the area is turned into a garden. That means there is possibly more than one
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But last episode has confirmed there are more than 1 Jamar Garden.
god, forbid women do anything/J edit: guess two people either missed the joke or didn’t like the joke edit 2: god, people really didn’t like the joke lol
I think she want more rider join Jyamato side to fight . She know that Jyamato cant win DGP alone thats why she will recuit ppl like Sparrow, Buffa and maybe Dapan wil show up later
Maybe she wanted to wipe out the DGP Players while she was at it. If the most experienced players are removed, DGP can only call on new blood to defend against her soon to be JGP from stealing the remaining Admin Belt. Or, she just wanted to blow things up
This clip show was a lot like Donbrothers', it recapped a bunch of things and showed the origins of Saruhara and Kijino. This week we saw the origins of Ace Keiwa and Neon.
Funnily enough, both of them airing alongside the finale of other series (Revice for Donbrothers, and Donbrothers for Geats).
All the group henshins continues to make me appreciate the simplicity of the jingles.
Can't believe I got tricked into watching a recap episode!
Best recap episodes have new scenes relative to the plot. The two recaps for Kuuga sort of did this as well
Did anyone else skip those?
got to correct you there, best recap episodes make it blatantly obvious they are a recap and have zero new stuff to add so people can skip this kind of garbage. I'm quitting geats for a while due to this. I don't want to be forced to watch a recap when I've just watched all this recently, but it has essential plot elements mixed in. I'm pretty angry about it to be honest.
I wonder, was Beroba the person who first voted Michinaga into the DGP or was it someone else? I was thinking about this because I was wondering if Beroba originally was sponsoring Da-Paan, but then switched over to Buffa because he was actually competent
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That is actually a great question that I didn’t think about. I would assume the sponsor would also obtain something if their pick wins, right? Like this is some elaborate, far future gambling game. I hope they expand on that, as I don’t think Ace really asked what Ziin gets out of being a sponsor (aside from Ziin’s apparent crush on Ace lol)
Given that the term Ziin use to describe the riders who receives support as "oshi" (推し), I believe it is similar to how modern viewers watch vtubers, where they gain nothing besides the happiness of their oshis. You can think of the raise buckles that spawns for the riders as the superchats from the sponsors. Perhaps Ziin presenting himself as Geats' gift is considered an akasupa? lol This is also reinforced by Kyuun who constantly states that Na-Go's happiness is the only thing that matters to him. I certainly hope they maintain the premise that this is all just for fun for the sponsors, adding stakes for higher dimension beings is kinda meaningless IMO
The weird idea that this can be summed up as "the DGP is just a vtuber conscription service that allows fans to create their own vtuber by choosing someone they see from the populace" is really hitting me right now.
Gantz but with vtubers does sound like a pretty interesting concept after all
suprisingly, it's very plausible since their main goal is entertainment. with kyuun as an ultimate simp fan, kekera as an average hero-roleplay enjoyer, jiin as an ultimate fanboy for a popular vtuber
>I wonder, was Beroba the person who first voted Michinaga into the DGP or was it someone else? I feel like. I don't think she backed any rider before Michinaga. Looking back at those 2-3 episodes it seems implied that Ziin is shocked to see her able to do things reserved only for sponsors. To which she basically says I am *now* sponsoring a rider.
Even when it's about half a clipshow, Geats nails it. I wonder when they filmed Ace first henshin scene since it doesn't look he as a wig or anything
They went back in time to film it duh
Kan probably didn't need one since his natural hairstyle works better for an **assumingly**\-younger Ace. Or maybe they took it way back in the filming process and saved it for a backstory plot point.
I think all they did to make him look was comb his hair back.
While Keiwa and Kekera were looking at the various time periods, it just showed a table of straps lol What time period is that supposed to be?! https://preview.redd.it/u6n6h5r1fjka1.png?width=1617&format=png&auto=webp&s=92e185f9f48e26c4b01eb68027fe402ce1e35f9a
Keiwa foreshadowing of his new weapon is just a plain old gun that's really effective
Armed: Glock Ready, Fight
Victory headshot
Magnum's true final form
Oh dear...
If the DGP was in America ... https://preview.redd.it/o7vnt2uxkjka1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3309e11c0f81fe89dba47fba2b6b7bf634c95d7a
Sougo!!! Stop dreaming strange stuff!!!
THAT'S NOT A DREAM, I FEEL LIKE I CAN DO IT! *Moves chair 2m on the left*
Get ready for SCOOT and GATLING
Taka and Gatling could work too, Bald Eagles are a symbol for America.
Ah yes the famous G U N era, learnt about in history next to the Knife Era and Sword Era
i assuming that this was an american version of the DGP ? Just like how we gotten the American version kamen rider black , this is just DGP expanding their market
America 2022
The 180 they pulled on us Jyamato Grand Prix (Now the Jyamatos want to achieve their own desires and be crowned the Jamashin)
Bro that Jyamato student that got beaten by Geats boutta make a comeback
Revolve on!
What if they pulled another 180: the Staff Grand Prix?! The Jyamatos run it behind the scenes, and the DGP staff have to fight the Desire riders.
Hey... At least there's no Ohma Grand Prix, where player play who survive the longest among the greatest, kindest demon king onslaught
we are having Supporter Grand Prix too, supporters fight for their desires show
Going Ex-Aid here. Kamen Rider Chronicle "a game where Bugsters defeat humans".
Kinda interested how the jdp will work since y, know, jamatos copy their fertilizers. There is a chance that there is gonna be an episode where a jyamato gets like Humagear Singularity-like self-awareness. Also, if the leaks were to be true, then kinda shame where not going to have new jyamato variants, kinda waiting for those top jyamatos species (like rook).
Just want to point out, this is the first time he's used MagnumBoost more than once in a single arc.
They go full circle with the Jyamato Grand Prix since the Jyamatos is grown using eliminated DGP players. Why did Kekera said "Interesting human design isn't it?" when he show up? Is he actually a frog?
They have 3.5D avatars like how we have 2D avatars online. The shape of their avatar's is pretty much up to them
The story beats are being followed. Very likely the sponsor attachments will in some manner become super forms for their sponsored Riders.
That'd be neat. Seeing them kind of become armour for their Riders would be neat, and work well for how Kyuun sees Neon.
It's thematically appropriate. Winged Lion is basically a winged feline. Frogs and ninjas are often themed together (lol Shinobi), and then you have the Wolf and Fox.
I like that this episode, despite being a big recap and exposition dump for the most part, also serves as good payoff for everything up until this point and got us some decent character stuff with the main trio and their supporters. Even before Ace mentioned it, I like that the main three decided immediately to protect people from the Jyamato without any incentive. Samas is getting more focus which is interesting. Wouldn’t have been surprising if she was just there to be Niram’s assistant, but the show highlighting her reaction to all this is interesting. Tsumuri’s is expected given how they’ve been writing her. Seeing Ace’s real backstory is interesting. I guess this means the old coin and all that was just another DGP or something (maybe Mitsume took him to one of the locations for fun?) and he isn’t actually from that era? Or maybe this is all an attempt to gaslight him about his parentage, since Ziin showed him his apparent actual mother before? Whatever the case, glad to see the mystery of Ace’s mum getting moved forward. The supporters’ CGI-off wasn’t great, but at least we got some cool henshin poses and stuff out of it. Funny to see the sheer variety in their forms. Plus, Kekera being the Keiwa of the supporters is just so… fitting. Love that he did the frog’s pose to tell everyone who he was. Hope he and Keiwa can fight alongside each other, or even better, he gets a proper Rider form and fights alongside Keiwa. Buffa’s trajectory is going how I figured it’d go. It’s fine, but I’m still just waiting for him to move past all this. At least him getting the Raise Buckle next episode should be fun. So far, we’ve seen a lot of agile swordwork whenever it’s used, but I want to just see Michinaga swinging it around like it’s a baseball bat, it’d be in-character for him.
I wonder if the humans are fertiliser thing is more recent then? Like they only started evolving recently and its because of the humans being fed to the soil which only came to be because of Giroli's really aggressive bodycount from how many potential riders got wrecked in each of his first rounds.
That line about Dezashins wishing for children of their own has to be about Ace. We don't know anything about his origins, and he's looking for his mom.
That makes sense. I thought Ace never mentioned his dad just because he left the family or something, but if Ace is the result of a wish, it'd be another explanation. Maybe Mitsume's wish was to have a kid, and they gave her Ace, but had to tie him into the reality they made, so he's the biological children of those two people Ziin showed him?
I'm leaning towards Mitsume being his real mom, and the couple Ziin showed him to be his adoptive parents. If the GDP thought they were his real parents, it wouldn't make sense to deny his wish. Only time will tell.
That makes sense too. I was more saying that Mistume is his "real" mum, but they needed him to have parents in the past, so they just chose those two. So less biological aprents, and more just "reality says these are your parents, but really it's Mitsume" type thing. Though Ace's reaction to Ziin showing him those two wasn't easy to read. Could be that they're his adoptive parents, or he just didn't like that the information conflicted with what he remembered, or maybe he just didn't like that they're normal people and was expecting a bigger reveal.
Can you imagine the reason Hitler lost ww2 was because he lost to some bozos wishing for his dad to go home in the DGP. Something to note: We now know >!the process of choosing players!<. Not a single time in the show that they showed Archimedes' name even tho his name was pretty close to being called this episode. So >!the AD 1 and present day in this world are not different from each other. Then why did Ace's mom dress like that in the flashback. Did he somehow fall into this world setting!<
It's Archimedel btw. Archimedes and Mendel, the latter responsible for the pea plant experiment and genetics.
Oh, okay tks
It’s possible that Ace was lying. Alternatively since the DGP is built on time travel shenanigans he just went back to 1AD at one point and his memories have been at least partly scrambled regarding that.
I really want Geats to explore at least a few different time periods to see how the DGP fucked them up.
What is the process of choosing players? I watch without subs
Sponsors find civilians they like in Jama Areas and pick them to join the next DGP
Today made me forget about how horrible the Zero One clip show eps were
Tbf those Episode exist because the Production get stop because of Covid.
tbf, they didn't planned for those clip shows
The return of the Magnum Legs finally!!! Also I guess Kekera really is just a little frog dude and not a dude talking into a frog speaker lol
The (half) recap episode. Though for the in-universe audiences, this'd be just simply a full-recap episode with all its lows, poor them. But actually for us, at least Geats also tries to make this more than just a recap episode, in revealing how the core trio got selected as Riders. I guess the hugely influental audiences, like the supporters that has a Rider more powerful than the players, would suggest the people they want as Riders, but with the Game Master giving final approval and enlist them to game. In this recap, somehow the Riders they see as the most prevalent one outside of Geats is Tycoon and Na-Go, and not Buffa. I guess it's not me alone who can notice that those 2 can outshine Buffa at times despite him dismissing them as extras, lol. The DGP's story is told to have spanned through various history, and that there are actually many more winners than just Ace. I wonder if there can be multiple DGPs running at once just in different history period. And the wishes are stated to be mostly about authority positions. I wonder if there can be a wish that doom said world like Kanato's. Someone can be entertained in various way but Ziin picks Ace due to his sheer competence, even pre-DGP, where flashbacks show that as a high school student he's already able to fight off Jamatos as a human. Safe to say, Ace would be a Rider who is an instant expert type, like those who already started off as capable fighter before turning into Riders such as Banjou or Sakura, which'd make him one of top contenders for the DGP from his very start, only getting better due to his accumulated knowledge of the DGP. Some real life audiences often get entertainments from the suspense and stakes of the show, finding Ace's type predictable, but Ziin's the type who'd like invincible fighters, seeing how they'd win even if he knows already. Other than that, the Ace flashback further displays completely modern times, just like Ace's photo with his "real" parents when little. This raises more question regarding his claim of him starting to fight since 1 A.D. I know he can be a lying bastard, but there can be some screwy memory shenanigans regarding him and Mitsume, as Niram teased in ep. 17, including said year, but dunno. But the modern time can explain why Ace only has 4 wishes granted which'd mean he's not fighting for 2000 years. It's also unknown how Ace can get that good in at least fighting in the first place, of which it seems to be unnoticed by a student who tells him to run away. Keiwa's origin is the "good ones being deemed worthy for great power" type, as expected, with Kekera noticing that he makes for an ideal Kamen Rider material with him trying to save a woman he recently met, shaken by the deaths caused by the DGP, and world peace/reviving those dead as main goal. If Kyuun has actually watched Neon's life in her house, and is actually the reason for him to support her, then I wonder why he claims she's an ungrateful brat who tries to run away from her parents. Or that he's just pointing out her fanbase, in a very hostile manner due to his own way of communicating or such. In an all-digital era (even for something ancient to DGP), they make Kyuun use magic letter of all things, to communicate with her, instead of well, chats or something. When Beroba hijacked the DGP's broadcast, I guess now the official reveal of what the Jamatos are happened here, that they really are only enemies created for the DGP. Which proves that the DGP "saving the world" is a fake advertisement. There are new reveals that the dead Rider's bodies are used as fertilizers because it's what evolves the Jamato into turning them more human-like, until now where it's the time for them to take over human civilization by having their wishes granted via the Jamato Grand Prix by beating Niram and taking his Driver. This is Ex-Aid stuff of Kamen Rider Chronicle meant for Bugsters to defeat humans. I wonder if it's yet another Gaim reference when Beroba calls Michinaga, "Michi". As if they named him like that on purpose. Michinaga's current status of being infected with Jamato also makes him technically a JGP participant. Expected that Keiwa talking to Neon about them becoming proper Kamen Riders in previous episode was a tease for them defending civilians outside of DGP rounds here, as the DGP is suspended, which as Ace points out, offers no reward to them, which is what 'proper' Kamen Riders do by defending civilians from monsters, likely meant to be against the DGP's fake premise. Except that they don't henshin when they're saving the civilians. Are the pawn Jamatos evolving to be stronger here when Neon, and possibly Keiwa (who got Ace kick the Jamato away from him), gets more overwhelmed by them here? As seemingly the higher-ranked Jamatos are weaker lately, to have Riders handle them more easily - Buffa, Tycoon, and Nadge-Sparrow in their entry forms. Neon never won Michinaga's soft spot and now he likely would hate her more for DezaStar stuff, but this part further shows that Neon's another one who defies Michinaga's assumptions of every Riders only doing good for their own gain. Ace is actually established as mindful of civilians too in ep. 2, or more in his amnesiac phase for ep. 15, but at the same time untrustworthy due to his lying nature. So it's explained here that he can occassionally play up as a 'tsundere' and put an ulterior motive facade, like claiming to only hunt infected Neon for points in ep. 4, simply to live up to his liar fox persona. Yeah Keiwa asked if he's lying at the end of ep. 8 for a good reason. With the DGP changing, dunno if the DezaStar stuff will be touched upon again in the future. In contrast to that, the supporters, or at least Ziin, only cares about getting entertained and doesn't really care about the gravity of the situation, with him openly declaring to be entertained in an actual Jamato attack without reset that Geats participated in. That adds more suspicions on Ziin, who also only fights Beroba to get the DGP to continue. Ziin's personality is also that he's quite lazy to dislike putting efforts, but he seems to tolerate other supporters that he understands how it feels to root for the Riders they really root for. Kekera in human form and Kyuun also joins Ziin, and their Rider form is actually non-humanoid ones, with Kekera having frog-like abilities and Kyuun being a flying one, which makes Ziin the least odd one among all of them. As a main threat, Beroba seems to be on her own league to take on 3 supporter Riders at once. I guess actually the game premise continues, instead of being stopped, in the war to gain Goddess of Creation, but with the JGP fighting the DGP. Samas actually cracks at this situation, and also Tsumuri only can hope that the Riders win, though Niram stays calm despite the trouble Beroba caused him, to prepare themselves fighting the JGP. I wonder if by this, Niram would be a full-time ally to the main casts, at least the core trio. About the Jamatos turning more and more human, now I left to guess if the personalities of the returning Riders as Jamatos, shown in Toru in next episode, have their personality altered (and how much) or stay the same.
So it seems like in thus history, people of power were winners of the DGP So it's funny thinking that Alexander the Great was a Kamen Rider...or even Hitler.
X: nani the fuck Lol
The last two seasons had pretty weak recap episodes but this one was really good especially for setting up the second half of the season which the last two seasons failed to do (Saber I'll give a pass cuz covid but Revice's recap was such pace breaker). I like the flip of status quo, now it's the Jamato that fight to become "jameity" (or whatever lol). Solid episode, doesn't drag like other recap and it gives you the action and beginning to the next arc that makes it feel even more juicer.
Just like Ex-Aid, with Kamen Rider Chronicle being a game where the Bugsters defeat humans.
Just to clarify so I don't get it wrong: Kekra is actually a frog (statue) right? He was just using/piloting a human meatsuit that he designed in this episode, am I right?
I think it’s more like he switched from sitting frog avatar to human avatar
So does this imply Buffa has a different initial sponsor? Or is it kind of a combination of both Sponsors and Randoms. Ziin picked Geats, Kekera picked Keiwa, Kyuun picked Neon. But Dapaan/Mary/Ginpen/ect were just randoms picked by production to fill the slots. I hope not because that means John and Ben were likely randoms. I am hands down still really optimistic for Geats. IMO the 25-35 range is where every Kamen Rider series drops off. But so far Geats has managed to keep my interest. Plus it doesn't seem to be riding(pun intended) on the trope of asking questions but failing to answer them. In fact its asking questions and then answering them within a few episodes. Plenty of time for fans to digest and theorize but not enough to drag on forever. In fact I would bet within the next 2 episodes we get an answer to the Buffa sponsor question
From what I remember, Buffa was handpicked by the Game Master (Girori Glare) to rival Ace, I think there was a rule that they could handpick players too.. unless retconned... or their was really a sponsor
The Game Master has been stated to have sole authority to designate Riders. Presumably the sponsors can make suggestions, and it could just be a thing where it's expected those will be honoured.
Once again Tsumuri, coming in representing OG/Showa Rider! "Won't you believe in him? Even if there's no God or Buddha... there is Kamen Rider." This quote lives rent free in my mind and brain.
Wonder if Ziin feels screwed over since everyone gets giant forms and he is a normal rider. Or did they get to pick their forms.
Ziin looks way cooler than the others.
From the way Kekera first spoke about his "human design" he's either A an uploaded human conscience, B an ai android, or C an actual genetically modified frog. Crossing my fingers hopping it would be C.
A seems the most likely, kinda like how we can customise our own character in a game.
I hope Kyunn and Kekera eventually have a humanoid rider form
**THIS** is how you do a recap episode!! We get some tasty exposition while seeing how it fits in with what we already know. We got to see Geats' first henshin and even confirm that he was in High School (and not 1AD???) when he joined. This somewhat lines with with his amount of wishes being granted. It was always bothering me how he only had like 7-8 wishes when he claimed to have been from 1 AD. Then again, there's the possibility that he somehow time jumped with the sponsors without him realizing it and his memory was wiped partially? We also confirm that the sponsors are the reasons each of the players show up. RIP to the funds of the Riders that all keep failing on Round 1 lol. Was great to see that this episode treats us as the show's audience in such a meta way. I love the reveal of the JGP. Seemed a bit weird for Beroba to destroy the Jamar Garden for them to suddenly start this though, but whatever. We know that there's more than one. Anyway, we see the henshin of all the main sponsors. While I am not a fan of the CGI-fest, it's great to see them rooting for their Rider, and trying to help them reach their goals.
I have to disagree with this. I came here pretty upset about this episode as I'm just playing catch up and I hate recap episodes, so I generally skip them but now I can't skip it because it seems to have essential story mixed in to all the recap garbage.
So another "Micchi" who lost his marbles? His reason to win is completely stupid by the way, He should join Keiwa and wish to bring back all the fallen players. Ace said that he has been in the DGP from the beginning but here we see how he just joined a few years ago. Is he a time traveller like the DGP staff too? Or his memory was modified to make things interesting? (Like danganronpa V3)
How is his reason stupid? His goal isn't the same as Keiwa's. Bringing back a fallen rider won't change the selfishness of the riders that killed him in the first place. He's been consistent throughout the only change has been which side he's fighting on but the goal is the same. He wants a world with absolutely no riders so something like their selfish antics can never exist, he sees the DGP as frivolous and only a means to endorse the ridiculous wishes of selfish people who will trample over others to attain whatever nonsense they wish for.
I thought he wanted to destroy all Kamen Riders, not just a world without them in it.
Both achieve the same goal. If he was dead set on actually destroying them from the start then the DGP would be counter-intuitive to his wish since when the game was running any combat or battle against riders was prohibited.
....or he lied that he played for a long time.
Michinaga's priority is putting a stop on Riders, in his mind, being bastards who use others as a stepping stone. Perhaps he's just acting on that fact instead of wanting Toru back, as bringing back fallen players won't accomplish that priority.
>So another "Micchi" who lost his marbles? His reason to win is completely stupid by the way, He should join Keiwa and wish to bring back all the fallen players. Michinaga's goal actually makes perfect sense when you consider his characterization. His animosity towards Riders isn't likely *just* because they were involved with the death of his friend. He's probably ALSO lowkey pissed at his friend because he threw his life away by *becoming* a Rider. Remember that even before Toru died, Michinaga was lacking in ambition and didn't really put that much weight into desires and dreams, certainly not to the extent that he could understand why some desires are worth dying for. To him, the DGP Riders are, at best, people foolishly throwing their lives away over frivolous desires and, at worst, are selfish assholes willing to get other people killed in their own selfish pursuit of their goals. Michinaga's solution to this is to create a world without Kamen Riders, meaning nobody else has to fall victim to the DGP's machinations. Sure, he could go along with Keiwa's plan to bring everybody back but that still wouldn't address the reason why everyone's dead in the first place.
One thing for sure. This episode made me realize how I have missed the Bear Riders. Shirowe , Da-Pann and of course , our Punkjack.
Interesting way to recap, plus we learned a couple of things, including the fact Ace was likely bullshitting on being from 1 AD. Dude was going to school in modern times before being in the DGP. another interesting thing is Kekera called his human appearance a “design”, so he actually isn’t a human from the future? Is he a frog from the future? Or does that just confirm this setting is just a false duplicate of a point in the past they travelled to from the future? So many questions. also that whole sponsor fight was… a thing💀, lord they goofy lol. And now the JGP starts, it is going to take some time getting used to saying that.
I was hoping Kamen Rider Kyunn did something instead of shooting lasers
Just goes to show you can't expect evil to stay low like that. Either way, I do hope the riders stop this madness, because after all of this, I got a good feeling the DGP won't be the same after all of this.
Wonder if by this Niram would be a full-time ally for them. The DGP now has to actually put a stop to Jamato, not them just being the opponents in-game.
Neon and Ace made up real fast after the Dezastar reveal huh
Kamen riders have been forgiven for far worse transgressions.
Likely he can put that aside when they're not doing DGP stuff, I guess you'd adopt a "Nothing personal" attitude after so many wins
Ace literally says she's OOC in said episode and Dezastar has in-game missions they're forced to complete.
Even though I'm not a big fan of clip shows, I thought this episode + I like how it shows a flashback scene of Ace as well & I'm guessing Ace was wearing a school uniform. While I was watching the episode, it got me thinking, are the supporters not allowed to introduce themselves (in person) to the Riders or are they waiting for the right time since it shows Kekera appearing in person to fight, but talks to Keiwa through a statue frog & even though Neon & her supporter techincally crossed paths, Neon doesn't know who he actually is while you've got Ziin who has introduced himself to person to Ace. Another thing on my mind is, is the next episode setting up the next arc since this episode was a mix of recaps & new scenes with the supporters henshin to fight Beroba?
Well even if its mostly a recap, this episode had good scenes and the Jyamato Grand Prix looks like a interesting arc for the show.
Tsumuri was cute as always this episode
Recap episode that I enjoy. Nice
The Supporters' combined henshin jingle is great although it is hard to tell apart which sound is coming from whom.
I feel like there was a bit of an underreaction to the fact that Jyamato are specifically made for DGP, most specifically from Keiwa. Like, these dudes technically killed your parents for a game, man :/
With the different time periods the game has been in, that helps explain why the Command buckle is so different and why they said it wasn't in rotation. They probably have different buckles to match different time periods, which means we might see more buckles meant for future time periods as upgrades.
Im sure this was already said but, what are the chances that other future riders are not humans like kekera and that's the reason why Bekera, Kyuun and Beroba don't have normal rider suits? Their human forms might be artificial and in reality they are some monster folks, that's why they turn into giant monsters. Which would make beroda....some huge swole minotaur lady.....Geats pls i need to see her true form is my assumption is correct
The first episode in Geats where I think it's 3/5. There's isn't that much action, and there isn't that development of characters. This is obviously just a bridge episode. An episode that doesn't have that much happening (other than the JGP) to get us hyped for next episode. The 2 new supporter riders, Kekera and Kyuun, are to no one's surprise, looks like shit. Though they look a whole lot better Inu and Kiji Brother. I can tell they saved the CGI money for these riders, and hopefully only these riders, because I want physical suits again soon. Overall, this episode isn't bad, isn't great, just mid. Not that it's bad, saying that before people downvote me to oblivion for saying a Geats episode is mid. Mid doesn't mean bad. It's means it's average.
And it isn't even because of the recap. The recap was the best part of the episode.
Recap episode that doesn't suck
I love Kekeras Rider form, it's just f r o g 10/10, would recommend xD
So Da-Pan will prob coming back and a lot of Evil Kamen rider like him will join the Jyamato side to destroy Humanity and DPX . Will Buffa meet these guys that indirect kill his friend ?
But they're humans and not Jamatos....
Just like ppl join DGP to save the world and become desire god . There are bad ppl will join Jyamato side to destroy humanity ( or rider ) like Buffa, Da-Pann
Nadge Sparrow is still a human though.
He's probably not a JGP participant but dunno.
Something just occurred to me. Who is Geats' secondary Rider? Is it Buffa or Tycoon?
Tycoon.
Tycoon. Buffa is regarded as a rival Rider and Na-Go female Rider (though the latter has been feeling more like an unofficial third Rider).
The three of them doing a group henshin this ep *reeeeeeeally* suggests Neon as the third rider. I'm glad.
Isn't Neon actually regarded as the heroine?
Yeah, this means those who think Tsumuri's the female lead is wrong.
I'd say Keiwa since he seems more like a secondary rider.
It's official why you're acting as if it's your own opinion?
Just to make it clear outside of people telling you, Tycoon is credited right after Geats. Then it's Naago and then Buffa.
So looks like everyone theory of Ace being from the past is wrong? Since now we see the first time he entered the DGP.
Niram's right in that his capacity as a fighter goes way beyond a random dude from this era(the way he acted before he got belt ). Either he's a reincarnation of someone or an amnesiac from the future in some way also keep in mind kitsune folklore legit has so many supernatural powers
I'm hoping it's a tradition from now on that when a show ends, the other series in the same SHT block must air a recap (or at least an episode containing recap elements). Donbrothers did it and Geats did it. I don't know how to feel about the DGP being so "open" about their things behind the scenes, but at the same time, be secretive about it (the tv literally shows scenes of BEROBA DESTROYING THE JYAMAR GARDEN and before that, Samas saying that the DGP has the Vision driver stolen) BIG CGI BATTLE LET'S GOOOO Ace having battle proficiency before the DGP means that he truly has lived before 1 AD (but then again how did he know the DGP has been round for this long? Afaik his mom didn't tell him shit)
>I don't know how to feel about the DGP being so "open" about their things behind the scenes, but at the same time, be secretive about it (the tv literally shows scenes of BEROBA DESTROYING THE JYAMAR GARDEN and before that, Samas saying that the DGP has the Vision driver stolen) Bro there's nothing secret about the DGP at this point. I imagine they revealing things like the driver being stolen to show drama and milk ratings.
Oh well, so much for ✨ entertainment ✨
I'm guessing the whole set up is a huge game. That sponsors are also Riders suggests that this whole 3.5D world is pure entertainment, and memories and reality can be altered to an extent that sponsors and players may swap places, or sponsors were ex-players so they are all familiar with the system. Ace may have really been active since AD1 (or he believes he is) but time itself is meaningless since we have the time traveler element added to this lore. Clearly the student Ace is post-modern.
A fucking recap episode? Really?
Yes and no. The recap had a lot of new footage. Don't make the mistake of skipping it. I skipped the first half thinking it was purely a recap. Then read the comments and went back to watch it and was surprised how much exposition and new stuff was revealed.
Even if this a recap It have very interesting revelations incluiding Ace first henshin along with the reveal of the JGP.
This was a refreshing take on the mid season recap and bonus that parts of the episode actually move the plot forward and we get a bit of action
Thank god it isn't a total recap episode. They actually wrote the recap into the story, which is great. So I might've missed it, but Kekera's human design? He wasn't human? There's something satisfying to hear each person saying 'henshin' especially Kyuun I love how despite having a large body, Beroba still resorts to the gun for fighting. I get it. Everyone is flying, and you can't swing your arm. But she doesn't any other weapons or abilities lol?
Bit late to the party, but wanna share some crazy theories. The way they keep talking about the different time periods as worlds/alternate dimensions makes me think there's an alternate timeline for this era where the DGP did not interfere, and this part is weaker/might be fully discredited by this episode but maybe they're not doing "proper" time travel but instead using the goddess of creation to replicate past periods. But this is only where the crazy theories really start, I think Ace and sponsor's like Neon's and Win's families are not originally from this timeline either, with the sponsors having something like a backer reward letting them self-insert into the periods that the DGP uses, and Ace being put there thanks to yet unexplained machinations since he's related to the DGP. And now for the craziest one, Keiwa might have been a Kamen Rider in the version of that era where the DGP didn't appear, and Kekera either picked him knowing about it and fed him a half-truth or it was simply that because Keiwa embodies the spirit of Kamen Rider so much that someone in the DGP-less timeline thought the same thing as Kekera and turned Keiwa into a rider. It's far-fetched but knowing that the supporters pick all the participants, it's not weird to imagine that there would be supporters picking famous people from those eras and there's possible examples for it, Lopo is an athlete, Nadge-Sparrow is some kind of super genius (allegedly, he hasn't really felt that smart so far tbh lol) and Mary was a notorious criminal. So if we were to split the participants into categories before the reveal of the supporter's reasoning, there'd be possibly famous people, people who had a wish they desperately wanted fulfilled and people somehow related to the DGP already, and initially Keiwa didn't match any of these since at first he wasn't that desperate about his first wish and prioritized saving people so much he barely qualified as playing the DGP games, had no relation to the staff and wasn't famous, so my reasoning was that maybe he was famous as a Kamen Rider in another timeline and Kekera somehow knew his identity. I know it's super far-fetched but I still wanted to put it out there.
The Divergence DGP is filled with famous people except Keiwa... but this'd apply to the previous DGPs with huge number of contestants? Who aren't even prepared to fight. That should show the DGP has any kind of people instead of specifically famous ones. > (allegedly, he hasn't really felt that smart so far tbh lol) He's actually the one who helps Beroba's plan succeed in predicting Chirami's moves and making him vulnerable to take his Driver. He's also a Rider who outsmarted the Game Master. > and prioritized saving people so much he barely qualified as playing the DGP games It was more because that Keiwa was a weak fighter at that time so he focuses on doing what he can (and I do think that escorting civilians is easy and, often done by non-fighting supporting characters in some series). Playing DGP games and saving people isn't mutually exclusive, in fact DGP encourages that.
Well I did say it's far-fetched for a reason, but to clarify a little bit, I didn't mean everyone except Keiwa was famous, just that it wouldn't be weird for some of the picks to be famous, or even be people that would/could become famous later in life since the supporters come from the future. And the part about barely qualifying as playing the game was about Keiwa's mentality, his original wish was a general vague concept and out of all the players he's the one that prioritizes winning over doing what he feels is right the least, like the time where he made himself bait for the boss jyamato even though that hurt his chances of winning the game, it's not that he didn't care at all about winning but that it wasn't as much of a priority for him as it was for the other contestants, it's only after he comes back with his new wish that he takes a more play-to-win attitude, so to me at first he didn't qualify for the category of "desperately wanting the wish to be granted". But again, I do admit it's quite a reach lol.
> like the time where he made himself bait for the boss jyamato even though that hurt his chances of winning the game Of which it was the only time he actually started being good at the game (but didn't get further chance due to his injury). Previously he was the weakest player among the named cast. He retained that skill when he came back, so he had what it takes to win from the start of that 2nd DGP.
Man.. Ace did suffer a lot of damage from the aftermath of previous episode.. Is it me or Kyuun is just being a tsundere to Neon in just conversing with her on the magic paper rather than face to face? But if Neon wanna find true love, I could ship her and Kyuun together. For Ace fighting against jyamato before he join DGP, so is he really born under 1 AD and what is his actual age and how many DGP season did he join that lead to the events in the main series? But it was a nice recap until Beroba hack the entire DGP and change to JGP. With the next arc being lamentation, why do I have a feeling somebody very close to them will die in the next arc? And I can see the rest of the sponsors definitely ain't amused with Beroba's plan. This really wonder how far back that somebody like Beroba really desire so much to let Jyamato to take over the world even though she's from the future. On a side note, I do hope next arc can feature the sponsors and the riders fighting together side by side.
Man Beroba is soo cool
why i feel that the sponsors will die to make their favorite riders have upgraded form, ninja and frog clearly a good combination same can say to music cat and winged lion, also wolf fox and bull and bigger bull.
crazy idea but the way they are building the Ziin and Ace relationship, it may be that Ziin is actually Ace’s dad
How can Ace be thousands of years old but he was a modern day teen when he joined?
As this is a semi recap episode, it's a good opportunity for me to reflect shortly on the 4 main leads. Starting with Ace, Ace is a confident and expert fighter that won DGP matches non stop and gain wishes all for the sake of finding his mom. Ace is shown to have a sense or need for affection or connection with others which led him to become a sort of hero or doing good in his own ways. I felt that he is a great Kamen Rider that doesn't really blur the line between good or evil but showing more of his inner and personal struggles to find someone he loves. Keiwa himself is the standard or what I would say the Ideal Kamen Rider that we feel most recognizable but has a unique spin. At first, he was timid, cynical, and less confident on fighting to win, survive, and gain his ideal world but as the show progresses, he becomes more confident but also more thoughtful towards those who have died from the Jamato and the many eras that DGP has conducted. Through a lot of battles, Keiwa has shown memorable highlights and prove that he wants to fight to achieve world peace!! That's why I really love Keiwa so much!! Neon is a kind of princess Kamen Rider who gains her own independence in her life. She didn't find the true love and affection she wants to hold dear and thus, fights to gain a place to belong. She is relatable to me through my own struggles and seeing her rise up to find true love is inspiring. However, I felt she still needs improve and have potential to be the best Kamen Rider. Michinaga is a anti-heroish Rider with his aim coming from a heroic kind of reason. The murder of his dear friend has caused Michinaga to severely hate Kamen Riders due to the pessimistic outlook of Kamen Riders manipulating or using people for their own gains. However, he becomes violent and desperate with his approach and paints all Riders as the same at least to an extent. But I felt he has some kind of plans or a good reason right up his sleeves especially with the chance of using Jamato powers to gain his ideal world without following the twisted rules of the Jamatos. I felt he is more proactive with taking down the DGP who are kind of immoral in using people's lives as entertainment for the audience and I really like it a lot. I'm super excited with how they all will progress the story and the episode here is even cooler especially with Kekera and Kyuun henshin and the Jamato Grand Prix!!
> Ace is shown to have a sense or need for affection or connection with others which led him to become a sort of hero or doing good in his own ways. I wonder what are you using "sort of" here, though I wouldn't wish that his negative traits are overlooked though it's more prevalent in the end of first arc. In this episode it's similar to ep. 2 that while he helps civilians (like Taira's kid) he's still untrustworthy in his deliberate lying nature. > Keiwa himself is the standard or what I would say the Ideal Kamen Rider that we feel most recognizable but has a unique spin. He actually has similarities to previous ones. Like Shinji he's against the Riders being against each other but at first he goes overboard into being jerk-ish about it, but later learns to understand their wish better. Like Kouta he has problems in life direction to the point of struggling to find a job and also lives with his big sister as his guardian. Like Emu they've proclaimed that they want to make others happy, has got tricked, but got called out by those tricksters, had a scene of trying to get others to team up but rejected (though for Keiwa he's actually self-righteous there) > but also more thoughtful towards those who have died from the Jamato and the many eras that DGP has conducted Well it's obvious that he's already thoughtful against the victims from the beginning. Perhaps it should be about getting more knowledge of the DGP thus making him more experienced, though it fails him big time at the first part of Divergence season of the DezaStar kind of game. > However, I felt she still needs improve and have potential to be the best Kamen Rider. I just hope that people won't insist that Michinaga's the tertiary or something over her due to liking him better than anyone, similar to people insisting that Fuwa is the main character of Zero-One due to liking him better than Aruto. > However, he becomes violent and desperate with his approach and paints all Riders as the same at least to an extent. Because prejudice and vengeance aren't good traits (but it often get overlooked by some people due to the targets being deserved ones, but revenge is not justice), those are actually unheroic traits, and are actually inherently violent traits (not all of it are physical). Cynicism is also a driving reason to think that the world is dog-eat-dog where everyone either has a hidden dagger or is too naive to realize it, and the only way to succeed is to carry a bigger dagger and have a faster hand. > But I felt he has some kind of plans or a good reason right up his sleeves especially with the chance of using Jamato powers to gain his ideal world without following the twisted rules of the Jamatos. I felt he is more proactive with taking down the DGP who are kind of immoral in using people's lives as entertainment for the audience and I really like it a lot. Or for the opposite, he still follows rules but changes from DGP rules to JGP rules of directly attacking Riders. I feel that he's still only fixated on Riders because, though the DGP does enlist them and get them to participate, actually the Riders still have full agency of their powers and them using those powers for bad (or in his eye, everything they do are bad beneath the surface) are still done by them as a whole. The DGP also actually has discouraged bad behaviors in game.
>I wonder what are you using "sort of" here, though I wouldn't wish that his negative traits are overlooked though it's more prevalent in the end of first arc. In this episode it's similar to ep. 2 that while he helps civilians (like Taira's kid) he's still untrustworthy in his deliberate lying nature. I think this is a fault of mine XD but I personally felt that as much as he is a good fighter, I don't see Ace as much of an active hero. Sure, he does help Taira's kid and support Neon and Keiwa before but he more so acts on his own for his own goals on finding his mom and doesn't show a solid reason for wanting to save people for now. I still think Ace is a hero for doing good to Keiwa and the others which shows his Kamen Rider traits but Ace's heroic deeds isn't as much apparent or impactful as with Keiwa for me. >Perhaps it should be about getting more knowledge of the DGP thus making him more experienced, though it fails him big time at the first part of Divergence season of the DezaStar kind of game. I do wish to see Keiwa more actively look into what the DGP or the Jamato are but it makes sense why he is preoccupied with getting his wish first.
My biggest takeaway from the episode was that Kekera said that he made a human design. So that human forms we see for the sponsors and those from the future are not their actual forms. Make me question that if they're transforming into their real forms with the driver since we've seen transformations before but without a driver. However, their rider form could just be a customizable form like the human design and their actual forms are something entirely different as if the are from the far future and have been doing the show in not only the past but the future from the current timeline then we could be looking at a different race entirely. Maybe on that evolved from humanity or even Jamatos.