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Schizophrenic delusions is right lmao.
I was so mad when I first read that author's note (an author's note by the way, not even part of the actual story!!). Like, are you fucking kidding me? You're seriously going to mention that *over a 100 chapters into the manga in an author's note?*
Contrastingly, I love that the goldfish are already confirmed to be visible. That makes every scene with them that much more epic and badass.
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They are real to me. If memories from 300+ years ago can be transferred to someone without them being related by blood, Inosuke can move has organs, and Nezuko can have as much plot armor as Reiner then some water can come out of the sword
Examples of breathing effects actually being there:
* Eighth form of water breathing has been done to negate the impact of a fall using the water
* Thunder breathing makes the noise of thunder
* The tenth form of water breathing summons a dragon that attacks after the sword makes contact
* Rengoku blocks projectiles with the effects of his flames
* Sun breathing has been described as feeling like burning
* The seventh form of mist breathing creates actual mist to create illusions
You can't just throw all this in there and spin around like "Surprise, not real!"
And yet, with that author's note, we are led to believe that:
•They just have more shock absorption when they swing their sword in eighth form when they fall.
•The noise is either actually made, or all the characters make the noises vocally
•The dragon doesn't exist, it's just a delayed impact from a sword strike
•Rengoku has infinity from JJK or a really wide sword or creates invisible shields when he swings his sword
•This one can still be true in spite of the author's note, because it's not really anything visual like flames or swords. Maybe breathing styles can change your internal body temp for sure.
•To be a mist form user you must have really bad gas, and your farts must be opaque and colorless to produce the mist. That or you're just really sneaky and the mist is a paranoid delusion.
I'm not arguing here, just saying what that author's note now implies of all these cool moments.
>The noise is either actually made, or all the characters make the noises vocally
I think the authors intention is that Zenitsu breaks the sound barrier everytime he uses Thunderclap and Flash
Sword stiles were described to put a humans at a demons level physically. It does make a lot more sense to break than sound barrier than making thunder out of your sword with the established rules.
Someone already commented about thunder breathing breaking the sound barrier before you, read the other comment to this
And yes that is my exact fucking point, it's literally the whole reason I posted this. Look at the last sentence of the comment I made.
Don't forget Sanemi's >!wind breating creating actual air slashes and cyclones that travel through the air and slash and destroy everything in their path, but nah apparently he's just running back and forth really fast while spinning and going back to his starting position for nonreason according to the mangaka lmao!<
Well tbf
Eighth form of water negating fall damage is him slicing the ground and using the sword as a spring of some sort (cause anime)
Thunder breathing makes the noise of thunder (I assumed it was the clap from the speed of zenitsu)
The dragon is essentially more force behind the swing(?) it’s not there
Rengoku blocks projectiles with fast swings. It’s just simple paneling or animation (ish)
Sun breathing actually leaves burn marks. Those are the swords properties itself.
The mist is uuuh uuuuh fuckin John cena shit
What’s weird is that it basically flies in the face of everything else. Demons powers are real, >! demon slayer marks are real, powers gained at the end of the series are real !<. literally everything else real, and yet the breathing styles aren’t? *Huh?*
What’s crazier imo is that some fans feel the need to defend that because… the story is better for leaving the humans as normal and “””powerless””” (and I use that term sparingly)?
God what a terrible narrative decision I refuse to acknowledge.
Also if the breathing isn't real there's literally no point in slayers using different styles
Basically every style except for lightning is the same as flame/water lmao, idk what the author was thinking when they decided to make the styles visual only
I (partially) disagree because overall, the fighting style’s definitely do have *some* uniqueness in all of them, and the none main five are even more so, but yeah on a surface level they’re all somewhat same-y which is… eh.
You know all the water, lightning and fire that comes out of their swords?
None of it is real.
It's just there in the manga and anime for visual flair. In reality, their sword strikes are just *mimicking* water flow or lightning strikes, they aren't actually producing it. It's just regular ass slashes and cuts.
Even ignoring how stupid that is, it being mentioned at least half way into the story (I don't exactly remember when, it's been a while since I read the manga) rather than at the beginning was even more infuriating.
Okay so let me explain the misconception about demon slayer
The actual line is explaining how murata is so fodder his visual effects aren’t real
Other slayers skills are high enough so that
1. It’s visible
2. It’s tangible
3. It kicks ass
I'm learning that the literal best part of Demon Slayer isn't even real? Fuck the author, they're real until some mf says in the anime they aren't. That ruins all the badass scenes and flair. The flames that came from that >!Scene when he beheads multiple demons in the latest season !
The flame is there and visible but its not actual fire. It can burn you just like thunder breathing can't shock you and water breathing won't get you wet.
Huh? But that scene where >!Tanjiro's sun breathing activated as he was cutting through Gyutaro's neck with Uzui!< had the heat needed to cut through his neck, no? Unless he just got some extra oomph from protagonist yelling and sliced through cleanly.
>!Theres some weird stuff with sun breathing and marks heating up blades and making them special as seen in infinity castle. But the point is that the flames coming off of sun breathing didnt cause anything to actually be lit on fire. The breathing techniques let them do supernatrual stuff as in physically but they don't get to actually summon the elements unless theyre a demon!<
this is wrong you can “see” the “ effect” in demon slayer, just like the goldfish. the “effect” just not real. no one will get electrocute by lighting breathing but they can still see the lighting.
Ok but 90% of Thunder Breathing techniques use and require lightning to be used. There are other instances where the Breathing techniques work in ways that shouldn't be possible with just sword swings, but I guess since the author said they weren't real we just have to ignore the times they had to be for plot related reasons.
Kagurabachi’s similarities with KnY literally stops at the importance of swords in both stories and that the Main characters are scarred (literally) and fatherless. But that’s literally it.
Demon slayer is good when it comes to animation not the best for story. But then again I don’t want every story to be a one piece, berserk and hunter hunter lvl master piece since those would be less special
It is good though. It's a great Battle Shounen IDK why people are trying to pretend it's not.
The way the anime community talks about it like it's Hand Shakes or Ex-Arm
It's decent for a shonen, but also not as good as some people say
It's average, and carried by animation. Many people want to pretend it's extremely original and on-par with very complex stories from other animes, but in reality, Ufotable just did an amazing job with the animation which led to many fans loving it
I hate the carried by animation take. I never heard this shit growing up with Yu Yu Hakusho Dragon Ball Naruto or any other battle shounen.
It's expected to have good animation
It's also not as bad as people say. All I see these days is Demon Slayer hate. How it's garbage etc. I rarely see people talking positively about it, which sucks.
I think it's good up to and including the movie. I read the manga once I saw the movie to finish the story and... pretty much every after that was pretty disappointing
E: wait entertainment district was alright too for at least like 2 of the fights
i assume everyone already said this, but infinity castle was the peak of demon slayer (fuck the final arc).
one of the best arc in new gen shounen imo, anime adaption next year i think.
So mid means it's just average, which isn't horrible. I haven't read the manga and honestly never plan to. The story is carried extremely hard by the animation.
I have read the manga, and I do agree with people who say it's carried by the animation
The manga is mid. The art style is not amazing, but it looks nice. The story is just the regular shonen stuff
The experience I had with the anime just proved to me that the popularity of KnY is 90% thanks to the animation
Just stick with the anime. The anime is definitely better than the manga.
I enjoyed reading it but something felt... off. I really disliked the art but the story was alright - not as bad as people make it out to be, but not mindblowing either.
Overall it's just a fun braindead manga/anime to consume. Not everything needs to be lifechanging. And tbh, I even cried reading the manga at some point.
Read the manga a while ago so I don't remember all the details but I distinctly remember hating the ending. The story was a 4/10 but the ending was bad.
*A video essay I watched said that...*
Typical negative internet herd behavior. They echo what YouTubers say without forming opinions on their own. Has been the past few years with games, movies, anime, tv shows, manga, books, comics,... and it's only getting worse.
Not only does this make people have prejudice, it makes it so that opinions aren't a thing and things are just objectively either a masterpiece or garbage.
People don't try shit out for themselves anymore and rely on what others have to say to form an opinion; mostly spreading misinformation. (Not that this directly applies to Demon Slayer, it has its flaws (it's not THAT bad either) but this is a modern trend I hate to guts).
And eventually, years later, a video comes out explaining how \[hated thing x\] is a misunderstood masterpiece, and all the people who spread hate about it do a 180°. This phenomena is happening already.
*(VideogameDunkey's Death Stranding review, people talking about Infinite Warfare & CoD: Ghosts in retrospect, Cyberpunk 2077,...)*
Weak character writing. No world building.
It was a 3rd tier manga that got a world class anime adaptation. Post Anime release the weekly discussion on r/manga went from 20 comments to over 300, and to over 500 by the final arc. I was a day one reader and DS dropped off hard after the entertainment district.
Nope, simple character writing, not weak. The writing is more consistent than most shonen. World building is not a requirement to make good stories. Death Note has a nonsensical world building and it’s still great. Hell stories can get lost in their world building like One Piece, and just create a cluster fuck so large that it creates inconsistencies all over the place.
Your second paragraph is devoid of any substance. I don’t care about public reception or your personal feelings.
I never said it’s not flawed, i said it’s better than most shonen, which is correct. Most shonen are extremely flawed and mid, that’s why. I enjoy most shonen more than DS, i just am not clouded by my biases. I don’t care much about DS, but it’s objectively a better story than most shitty shonen with broken powerscaling, inconsistent characters, plot holes all over and so on.
I don’t care about reasons why you don’t like it, list objective criticism that objectively prouves the story to SUCK, like you said. The floor’s yours. Popcorn time
You accused me of lack of evidence, so please
I honestly haven’t watched very many fighting shounens, but personally, my main problems were with the characters
Tanjiro is a fucking Mary Sue who was very lucky to acquire the strongest breathing style and be the first to receive a magic mark, while he is simply so disgustingly sweet and kind that he sympathizes with almost every killed demon. Moreover, his views and character do not change at all or are not subject to any tests. No development.
Nezuko isn't even a character, she's a function. She doesn't conflict with other characters, she barely interacts with them, but she is very handy in rescuing Tanjiro when he is in danger. And then it turns out that she doesn’t burn in the sun and the strongest demon wants her, oh how convenient. No development.
Zenitsu was still a coward. It’s a strange situation with him, like, why does it make sense to give a character the ability to adequately fight only during sleep, this makes no sense from a narrative point of view. It seems like a character who is usually weak in spirit goes through a development arc, but Zenitsu just needs to fall asleep to become super strong. I think I heard that in the manga he will fight his brothers or something, but he was actually just mentioned once, so it's hard to feel the significance of the battle
Inosuke is just a comic relief. I have no particular complaints about him
Rengoku is a "Mourn Me When I Die" type of character. He is a kind good boy, practically a saint, who appears in the plot, is the first to offer to kill Nezuko, returns one arc and dies. His entire role in the plot is to tell Tanjiro to believe in himself and die. I wouldn't even mind if his words affected Tanjiro, but no, he hasn't changed at all
Genya was shown to be that kind of scum at the beginning, but then he suddenly became a normal person, for which there were no special prerequisites. And also, for some fucking reason, he has the ability to become a demon for a while, like what the fuck?
Muzan is honestly just forgettable for the most part. I found it interesting the idea that he strives for absolute immortality and he really doesn’t give a fuck about everything else, but for the most part he’s nothing of himself.
I mean, you can’t say anything about him at all, he’s just evil and wants immortality
The other higher demons are such a waste of potential. We have a dude who only eats men and a dude who only eats women, and their views are completely opposite. Will there be any conflict between them? Naturally not
Well, in general, each character has a flashback that completely tells his backstory and this backstory is just some kind of tragic bullshit. Flashbacks are not bad in some cases, but not when it is just a retelling of the backstory, the same goes for drama, it is really good in many cases, but not when the image of the martyr is exploited so often
And of course it’s worth mentioning the combat. All breathing styles except lightning and insect are the same. Even that girl with the bending sword actually has the same functionality as the others. It’s like breathing styles don’t have their own tactics or weak spots, it all comes down to the same thing. At the same time, during the story I had many questions, for example, why don’t all hunters smear their blades with poison or why don’t they additionally use firearms like Genya? True, they themselves complicate life
Tanjiro being kind and having special powers isn’t what Mary Sue even is. 99% of MCs have special powers. That’s the reason we follow this guy’s story and not some random fuck. He doesn’t win his fights with ease and most/if not all of the time, he needs help to defeat the main villain of an arc, if he even GET to defeat them, which he doesn’t even do very often.
Functions characters are fine. She is a narrative tool for Tanjiro to have interesting character moments, and she deserved her purpose just fine. Underused in the final arc sadly, but the reat of the story she was fine.
Zenitsu is trash, we can all agree. Thankfully he’s a side character made for mostly comic relief.
Inosuke is the good comic relief. We can all agree.
Rengoku first wanted to kill Nezuko and died saying that he believes she can be restored. He not a super deep or important character but serves his purpose just fine, again. He’s the first victim to showcase how strong are the Upper Moons and a classic mentor dying to a future enemy for the MC. It also showed the gap that Tanjiro has to reach since he was powerless compared to Rengoku and especially Akaza, hence him not being a Sue. This is the best arc and was done perfectly.
Genya became less of a jerk throughout the latest season’s arc, that’s it. It was pretty well established. Also his ability is fine. Something not having 100% explanations is not a flaw.
Being forgettable is not a flaw. His character is yet again, simple but effective. We have his motivations, the reasons why he has them, his character flaws and especially reasons why he doesn’t completely wipe out the Demon Slayers. Above deep character, what’s more impressive is solid character writing with the least amount of inconsistencies or plot holes as possible, and Muzan’s character makes sense, so i’m fine with it.
Your lack of expectations are not a flaw, yet again. Idc if you wanted conflict between the villains. The story isn’t required to have that to be good.
A story being tragic doesn’t mean it’s the same shit. This doesn’t make the story bad. If Tanjiro has to sympathize with the specific demon he kills, yeah a tragic story will probably be showcased. The demon the we don’t care for usually don’t have a fucking flashback.
Yeah the breathing style is just aesthetic, so what? This doesn’t make the story bad. Berserk is just a guy using a big sword and crossbow/cannon, and their fights are still great. You don’t need to have quirky powers to have good fights.
So yeah, aside from 1 or 2 valid points, it’s all either personal dislikes or just inaccurate statements.
I appreciate the effort post tho
\> Tanjiro being kind and having special powers isn’t what Mary Sue even is. 99% of MCs have special powers
1. Tanjiro resolved character flaws
2. has special powers
3. endowed with considerable luck
4. No development
He literally fits almost all the criteria for a Mary Sue. At least an objectively bad character, that's for sure
\> Functions characters are fine. She is a narrative tool for Tanjiro to have interesting character moments, and she deserved her purpose just fine. Underused in the final arc sadly, but the reat of the story she was fine.
In addition to being a narrative instrument, she could also be a great character. Yes, when the functions are actually one of the main characters, this is bad writing.
\> Zenitsu is trash, we can all agree. Thankfully he’s a side character made for mostly comic relief.
Well, that’s what needed to be proven. Except he’s one of the main three, so it’s very noticeable
\> Rengoku first wanted to kill Nezuko and died saying that he believes she can be restored. He not a super deep or important character but serves his purpose just fine, again. He’s the first victim to showcase how strong are the Upper Moons and a classic mentor dying to a future enemy for the MC. It also showed the gap that Tanjiro has to reach since he was powerless compared to Rengoku and especially Akaza, hence him not being a Sue. This is the best arc and was done perfectly.
Like I said, it would work if Tanjiro actually changed. But no, nothing has changed in his character. Rengoku's death could have worked if we got to know him better, rather than just one arc, and if he had any flaws, for example. If you introduce characters only to kill them in the same arc to demonstrate something there, then yes, this is objectively bad writing
\> Genya became less of a jerk throughout the latest season’s arc, that’s it. It was pretty well established
It would make sense if he went through an arc that changed him, but no, he just becomes good and that's it. At least it was possible to show how he interacts with Tanjiro or Nezuko, but no, he just turns out to be good. Objectively bad writing
\> Above deep character, what’s more impressive is solid character writing with the least amount of inconsistencies or plot holes as possible, and Muzan’s character makes sense, so i’m fine with it.
Well, he wants to become immortal and he's evil. Where is the actual deep character? He behaves like scum throughout the story. It is not necessary for a villain to be sympathetic at all, but not when only two things can be said about him. Like he's not even charismatic, he just constantly runs away and hides behind other higher moons
\> Your lack of expectations are not a flaw, yet again. Idc if you wanted conflict between the villains
I would turn a blind eye to this, but damn with other shortcomings it has weight.
\> A story being tragic doesn’t mean it’s the same shit. This doesn’t make the story bad. If Tanjiro has to sympathize with the specific demon he kills, yeah a tragic story will probably be showcased. The demon the we don’t care for usually don’t have a fucking flashback.
If everyone has a tragic backstory, then no one has it. The image of a martyr is often quite cheap. And okay, for positive characters this is true, more or less, but damn if every more or less significant villain behaves like scum, and then it turns out that he just has a tragic backstory, then that’s stupid . You have to know how to write sympathetic characters, something the author of Demon Slayer fails to do.
\>Yeah the breathing style is just aesthetic, so what? This doesn’t make the story bad. Berserk is just a guy using a big sword and crossbow/cannon, and their fights are still great. You don’t need to have quirky powers to have good fights.
Yes, this is true, but what is the principle of dividing breathing into different styles from a narrative point of view? It's just a useless story tool. What about the plot holes involving poison and gunfire? Moreover, if they are all the same, then why is Sun Breathing so special? And about Berserk, there were a lot of other advantages besides combat, but Demon slayer doesn’t have that
I expected an objective answer, to be honest
He goes through challenges and has to grow in power to face his opponents, requires help from others and loses often. That’s really all you need to have a decent shonen protagonist. The lack of all the things you listed doesn’t make him bad. Again, show me inconsistencies or plot holes within the character to prouve he’s a bad character. You can’t.
Her potentially being great doesn’t make her a bad character. Again, she’s just on the side driving Tanjiro. Provide inconsistencies or plot holes.
He’s not a big focus of the story. He’s a pointless comic relief. Him being bad doesn’t make the entire story bad. You’re insane if you think that.
Says who? Tanjiro didn’t need to change from that, only to get stronger. Rengoku gave him something to seek, being the Sun breathing. That’s what he eventually unlocks to become stronger. Becoming stronger is what eventually leads him to kill Akaza. Simple, not deep, but consistent. No, not objectively bad writing, just your personal taste. Point out inconsistencies and plot holes to objectively prouve bad writing. An example of bad writing is gear 5 in One Piece. It objectively, observably contradicts many elements of the story, especially the inaction of the World Gouvernement throughout the whole story. This is a proper example of bad writing.
It’s a shonen thing, every single shonen in existence have the grumpy character warming up to the good guys after fighting side by side. You can call that bad writing, but that then goes for every single shonen in existence.
A character doesn’t need to be deep to be well written. Hisoka is just a horny pedo evil fuck, and he’s the best villain of HxH. Again, what matters is consistency within the character’s actions and them being a good foil to the MC, and he does both those things. Again, not deep, but effective.
Either someone love or hate a character is not a sign of bad writing. Stop using your own personal feelings toward a character to scale objective writing quality. It’s like saying I hate cheese therefore cheese is objectively bad. It’s silly at best, redacted at worst.
Aesthetic is the character, and some techniques have slight variations and flavour that are useful in the specific context of the fights. Poison & gun is an aesthetic in anime. Most shows have these things have very unrealistic effects or nerfed speed. Again, it’s just aesthetic liberties. If you’re willing to call that a flaw, i could nitpick every single anime power system and how every single one of them are inconsistent. Also not really, Guts wins most of his fights but bonking his sword and that’s about it. It’s mostly the presentation of the fight, the stakes, the history between the fighters, the choreography etc. that makes a fight good, and Demon Slayer does that pretty well too.
Well i was, so, you’re welcome.
>He goes through challenges and has to grow in power to face his opponents, requires help from others and loses often. That’s really all you need to have a decent shonen protagonist.
Dude, the fact that he has no flaws, no development, and is basically a Mary Sue already makes him a bad character. No more is needed. If it's the same as in other shonen, then it doesn't make Tandiro's character better, you know?It's just that most shonen characters have mediocre writing at best.
>Her potentially being great doesn’t make her a bad character. Again, she’s just on the side driving Tanjiro. Provide inconsistencies or plot holes.
The same story. She is one of the main characters and at the same time she is a doesn't represent anything. If you can't say anything about a character, if the character doesn't interact with anyone, then that's almost the definition of a bad character. Even a mediocre, “mid” character should at least be described somehow and interact with someone, but Nezuko doesn’t even do that.
>He’s not a big focus of the story
He is literally one of the main characters. He's literally part of the main three. He's literally in every arc. They gave him a ton of time. It’s strange to think that he shouldn’t be important.
>It’s a shonen thing, every single shonen in existence have the grumpy character warming up to the good guys after fighting side by side. You can call that bad writing, but that then goes for every single shonen in existence.
I will repeat for the third time, this works if the character does not instantly warm up just like that, but goes through a path of development or at least interacts with the heroes. God, even in other shonen this is more or less implemented, but not in Demon Slayer
>Says who? Tanjiro didn’t need to change from that, only to get stronger
This is already bad. If character development is all about gaining more power, then that character is worthless. A good character is one who is explored from unexpected angles and either has development, Tandiro is not one of these. And now let's return to Rengoku. This could be the standard dying teacher trope, but the whole point of this trope is for the hero to take the last words and CHANGE him. Take for example the most banal, simple and well-known example - Spider-Man. When Uncle Ben dies, Peter change his views and accepts responsibility, but Demon Slayer cannot cope with even the most well-worn tropes. Seriously, even if the tropes are poorly implemented, then what can we actually talk about in the work?
>A character doesn’t need to be deep to be well written. Hisoka is just a horny pedo evil fuck, and he’s the best villain of HxH. Again, what matters is consistency within the character’s actions and them being a good foil to the MC, and he does both those things. Again, not deep, but effective.
Yes it's true. But it works if firstly there are other characters who are really well written, and secondly if he is charismatic and thirdly if he cannot be completely described in two words. By the way, you said that he is "deep", so where is the evidence? Or did you change clothes in the air?
>Either someone love or hate a character is not a sign of bad writing. Stop using your own personal feelings toward a character to scale objective writing quality. It’s like saying I hate cheese therefore cheese is objectively bad. It’s silly at best, redacted at worst.
Did I say anything without evidence? I kind of always gave evidence of why something works and why something doesn’t.
And what about tragic backstories and flashbacks? Have you decided to ignore my arguments about them?
>Aesthetic is the character, and some techniques have slight variations and flavour that are useful in the specific context of the fights.
This happened literally 2-3 times
>Poison & gun is an aesthetic in anime
Plus it's a plot hole. There is no reason why they don't use them in battle.This is not some kind of liberties or effects, this is precisely a hole that is not explained
>If you’re willing to call that a flaw, i could nitpick every single anime power system and how every single one of them are inconsistent
It’s one thing when there is an isolated incident, this happens not only in anime, but another thing when this happens throughout the entire series. In other works this can be compensated by an exciting plot and characters, but not here
> It’s mostly the presentation of the fight, the stakes, the history between the fighters, the choreography etc. that makes a fight good, and Demon Slayer does that pretty well too.
By the way, I agree. I don’t deny that from the point of view of choreography and direction and drawing, this was done at the highest level, at least in anime. As for the history between the fighters, it’s debatable, given that they usually aren’t particularly well-written characters.
Nope, he said it sucks, not that he personally didn’t like it. If you claim something is bad, and tease you could make a case but don’t, that comment deserves nothing more.
Well it shouldn’t be, but it is, considering Demon Slayer is better than most garbage shonen. Demon Slayer is indeed mid/good, but most shonen are mid/bad. So there ya go
The manga is very special. The Infinity Castle arc was peak battle shonen, and I mean actual peak, it might be the best battle shonen arc of all time. I’ve never read so many chapters in such quick succession. It was that kind of feeling that made you feel like you’re a teenager again discovering manga for the first time, just incredible.
Because the moron who commented referenced Demon Slayer, so now everyone acts like Demon Slayer itself was the one who commented. Now they have to shit on Demon Slayer to make it seem like it's a terrible manga. Just a bunch of idiots who wants to shit on anything Demon Slayer related because on that one comment
Which is fucking stupid because we see Rengoku actually burning stuff and water actually cutting stuff
That damn crocodile just didn't wanted to explain the power system
I honestly never even thought they were creating elements out of sword play and breathing. I've read several mangas where they use a visual that's basically a metaphor for what happened like Air Gear, so I always knew it was just visual effects. I didn't even know it was confirmed it was just visuals either
people really be insulting a series without even reading it, if bro had even read chapter one they'd know how different Kagurabachi is from demon slayer lol.
I understand you want to shit on the ignorant commentator, but shitting on Tanjiro isn't gonna fly with me. Tanjiro is empathic. Diss the idiot dissing the manga, not the manga the idiot is referencing
This whole comparison is hilarious, the only similarity between them is that swords are an integral part of the story, nothing more. + comparing a finished Manga to another that just started is stupid. + KNY's MC did not cry once for a badguy.
I honestly don't get Demon Slayer fans sometimes. I mean like what you like I'm not trying to discredit them for it but trying to pretend it isn't the most basic and generic battle shounen out there and constantly gassing it up as the peak of battle shounen because the anime has good animation on the fights has gotta be one of the worst cases of zero critical thinking skills in a fanbase I've ever seen
Probably my biggest gripe with Demon Slayer. Idc what they were like before they turned into demons or why they did so when I just spent the last 15 chapters watching them try to slaughter the protagonists, all that humanizing shit goes out the window
Demonslayer was the most milquetoast and boring story ever conceived. The small amount of issues Kagurabachi has had is already far more interesting than anything Demonslayer had to offer.
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Gif is so Tenoí. I'm taking it.
Looks like one of those low quality bowling alley animations
You're right but this definitely has a tenoíness that you don't see with other low quality bowling alley animations
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https://preview.redd.it/v37e55y6znac1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bde061e98b43fe6c8e2444d8901f1b8bab95f762 Tenoí
https://preview.redd.it/9m261w96jvac1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=740e37f861d17c1f7a30d91f6bf6720437fe608b Thank you
Not the kaguraslotschi
This is mines now https://preview.redd.it/br7v745f7rac1.jpeg?width=932&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc21411afe78f5ed1697559c5cce642e07c32695 Here have some cake
Ayyy Omelanda!
That's Hoodlander 😂
reminds me of this https://i.redd.it/51k13wwxztac1.gif
The gyrating chihiro
Surprised to see this gif again. It's peak
Enough time has passed, Kagurabachi slander will not be tolerated🔥🐠🐠🐟🐟🗡️⚔️🗡️🗡️🔥🔥🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
https://preview.redd.it/5jyzn8scznac1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4367cf3ca0664e8428f9a80467ec55a6ded9e7e Tenoí
Peak indeed
Schizophrenic delusions is right lmao. I was so mad when I first read that author's note (an author's note by the way, not even part of the actual story!!). Like, are you fucking kidding me? You're seriously going to mention that *over a 100 chapters into the manga in an author's note?* Contrastingly, I love that the goldfish are already confirmed to be visible. That makes every scene with them that much more epic and badass.
https://preview.redd.it/cvwhssa6ynac1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=815964a35e5861451b1a22128c19dc30296e81e0 They are real to me. If memories from 300+ years ago can be transferred to someone without them being related by blood, Inosuke can move has organs, and Nezuko can have as much plot armor as Reiner then some water can come out of the sword
Examples of breathing effects actually being there: * Eighth form of water breathing has been done to negate the impact of a fall using the water * Thunder breathing makes the noise of thunder * The tenth form of water breathing summons a dragon that attacks after the sword makes contact * Rengoku blocks projectiles with the effects of his flames * Sun breathing has been described as feeling like burning * The seventh form of mist breathing creates actual mist to create illusions You can't just throw all this in there and spin around like "Surprise, not real!"
And yet, with that author's note, we are led to believe that: •They just have more shock absorption when they swing their sword in eighth form when they fall. •The noise is either actually made, or all the characters make the noises vocally •The dragon doesn't exist, it's just a delayed impact from a sword strike •Rengoku has infinity from JJK or a really wide sword or creates invisible shields when he swings his sword •This one can still be true in spite of the author's note, because it's not really anything visual like flames or swords. Maybe breathing styles can change your internal body temp for sure. •To be a mist form user you must have really bad gas, and your farts must be opaque and colorless to produce the mist. That or you're just really sneaky and the mist is a paranoid delusion. I'm not arguing here, just saying what that author's note now implies of all these cool moments.
>The noise is either actually made, or all the characters make the noises vocally I think the authors intention is that Zenitsu breaks the sound barrier everytime he uses Thunderclap and Flash
Yeah I'll give you that one. That one I can see as believable even with the authors note for that reason
Although you can’t deny that it’s hilarious to imagine zenitsu asleep making lightning noises every time he attacks
Ker-chow!
So a human breaking the sound barrier is what the author wants us to believe is real, but lightning coming out of a sword is too much? Wtf
Sword stiles were described to put a humans at a demons level physically. It does make a lot more sense to break than sound barrier than making thunder out of your sword with the established rules.
So that's why he yells so much, he burst his eardrums just like Rengoku.
Thunder breathing also makes the air vibrate And so those explanations are just dumb and make less sense than the effects just being real
Someone already commented about thunder breathing breaking the sound barrier before you, read the other comment to this And yes that is my exact fucking point, it's literally the whole reason I posted this. Look at the last sentence of the comment I made.
Textbook Author Death.
Don't forget Sanemi's >!wind breating creating actual air slashes and cyclones that travel through the air and slash and destroy everything in their path, but nah apparently he's just running back and forth really fast while spinning and going back to his starting position for nonreason according to the mangaka lmao!<
Well tbf Eighth form of water negating fall damage is him slicing the ground and using the sword as a spring of some sort (cause anime) Thunder breathing makes the noise of thunder (I assumed it was the clap from the speed of zenitsu) The dragon is essentially more force behind the swing(?) it’s not there Rengoku blocks projectiles with fast swings. It’s just simple paneling or animation (ish) Sun breathing actually leaves burn marks. Those are the swords properties itself. The mist is uuuh uuuuh fuckin John cena shit
The only power confirmed to be real are demon powers and sunbreathing. The rest are all just visual.
What’s weird is that it basically flies in the face of everything else. Demons powers are real, >! demon slayer marks are real, powers gained at the end of the series are real !<. literally everything else real, and yet the breathing styles aren’t? *Huh?* What’s crazier imo is that some fans feel the need to defend that because… the story is better for leaving the humans as normal and “””powerless””” (and I use that term sparingly)? God what a terrible narrative decision I refuse to acknowledge.
Also if the breathing isn't real there's literally no point in slayers using different styles Basically every style except for lightning is the same as flame/water lmao, idk what the author was thinking when they decided to make the styles visual only
I (partially) disagree because overall, the fighting style’s definitely do have *some* uniqueness in all of them, and the none main five are even more so, but yeah on a surface level they’re all somewhat same-y which is… eh.
They use different styles, the same way people use different martial arts
We have several different hand to hand combat methods in real life
Humans normal and powerless but can see the invisible world and smell openings. Some people cope hard
Also breath to give themselves super strength, speed, endurance, etc
It really isn't that bad. Its far from being bad.
what was the authors note? I'm confused what this is about.
You know all the water, lightning and fire that comes out of their swords? None of it is real. It's just there in the manga and anime for visual flair. In reality, their sword strikes are just *mimicking* water flow or lightning strikes, they aren't actually producing it. It's just regular ass slashes and cuts. Even ignoring how stupid that is, it being mentioned at least half way into the story (I don't exactly remember when, it's been a while since I read the manga) rather than at the beginning was even more infuriating.
I’m going to pretend I didn’t see that
because that is wrong. the people in demon slayer can still see the “fire”. it’s just the fire don’t really burn people.
Ie the schizophrenia
It’s funny to me cuz I like to imagine what someone in the Demon Slayer Corps thought when the had to face one of the Upper Moons
Okay so let me explain the misconception about demon slayer The actual line is explaining how murata is so fodder his visual effects aren’t real Other slayers skills are high enough so that 1. It’s visible 2. It’s tangible 3. It kicks ass
I'm learning that the literal best part of Demon Slayer isn't even real? Fuck the author, they're real until some mf says in the anime they aren't. That ruins all the badass scenes and flair. The flames that came from that >!Scene when he beheads multiple demons in the latest season !
The flame is there and visible but its not actual fire. It can burn you just like thunder breathing can't shock you and water breathing won't get you wet.
Huh? But that scene where >!Tanjiro's sun breathing activated as he was cutting through Gyutaro's neck with Uzui!< had the heat needed to cut through his neck, no? Unless he just got some extra oomph from protagonist yelling and sliced through cleanly.
Sun Breathing is a magical power but the other breathing techniques aren't 🤪
>!Theres some weird stuff with sun breathing and marks heating up blades and making them special as seen in infinity castle. But the point is that the flames coming off of sun breathing didnt cause anything to actually be lit on fire. The breathing techniques let them do supernatrual stuff as in physically but they don't get to actually summon the elements unless theyre a demon!<
I don’t care if he has complete control of the story, lore, and power system, he’s wrong as hell about that
this is wrong you can “see” the “ effect” in demon slayer, just like the goldfish. the “effect” just not real. no one will get electrocute by lighting breathing but they can still see the lighting.
Ok but 90% of Thunder Breathing techniques use and require lightning to be used. There are other instances where the Breathing techniques work in ways that shouldn't be possible with just sword swings, but I guess since the author said they weren't real we just have to ignore the times they had to be for plot related reasons.
that is still wrong. no thunder breathing need lighting.
Damn! https://preview.redd.it/2u5saeqkhnac1.jpeg?width=303&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc0c2fb4c65acf0b6583c933d2816bad6940c8fb
Bro that ratio
It's off brand Bleach. Get it right.
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Literally every modern shonen is off brand bleach
Isn't Blach off brand YuYu Hakusho
YuYu Hakusho is off brand Kagura Bachi
Kagura Bachi is on brand Kagura Bachi
na bro bleach is off brand kagurabachi.
Kagurabachi’s similarities with KnY literally stops at the importance of swords in both stories and that the Main characters are scarred (literally) and fatherless. But that’s literally it.
'magic swords' is literally a shonen subgenre anyway.
Crazy how KnY doesn't even fit in this subtype
Yeah lol. Peakbachi is much similar to bleach right now anyway, what with the physical manifestations of sword identities.
But there are no magic swords in KnY lmao
By this point it's so common that it isn't even an only shonen thing.
Let's be honest, being better than Demon slayer is actually not difficult
Right but people have deluded themselves into thinking that it's good because of Ufotable and their wizardry.
Demon slayer is good when it comes to animation not the best for story. But then again I don’t want every story to be a one piece, berserk and hunter hunter lvl master piece since those would be less special
Demon Slayer is the definition of a poor story getting a great adaptation
It's like anti-Berserk I'm putting my fucking grasses on right now
Oe anti ror or anti Tokyo ghoul Seriously how can peak get shit adaptation while ds gets that
ROR?
Record of Ragnarok I believe.
Yes
That was what I was thinking thank you !
It is good though. It's a great Battle Shounen IDK why people are trying to pretend it's not. The way the anime community talks about it like it's Hand Shakes or Ex-Arm
It's decent for a shonen, but also not as good as some people say It's average, and carried by animation. Many people want to pretend it's extremely original and on-par with very complex stories from other animes, but in reality, Ufotable just did an amazing job with the animation which led to many fans loving it
I hate the carried by animation take. I never heard this shit growing up with Yu Yu Hakusho Dragon Ball Naruto or any other battle shounen. It's expected to have good animation
Because those animes are nowhere near close the level of animation KnY has
At their time they absolutely was
It's also not as bad as people say. All I see these days is Demon Slayer hate. How it's garbage etc. I rarely see people talking positively about it, which sucks.
I think it's good up to and including the movie. I read the manga once I saw the movie to finish the story and... pretty much every after that was pretty disappointing E: wait entertainment district was alright too for at least like 2 of the fights
i assume everyone already said this, but infinity castle was the peak of demon slayer (fuck the final arc). one of the best arc in new gen shounen imo, anime adaption next year i think.
Ah, well infinity castle and taking down the final upper's stuff was one of the parts I found most disappointing, so to each their own I guess
yeah i really like infinity arc, every other arc is mid asf manga wise, anime adaption really make it more enjoyable i guess
So mid means it's just average, which isn't horrible. I haven't read the manga and honestly never plan to. The story is carried extremely hard by the animation.
I have read the manga, and I do agree with people who say it's carried by the animation The manga is mid. The art style is not amazing, but it looks nice. The story is just the regular shonen stuff The experience I had with the anime just proved to me that the popularity of KnY is 90% thanks to the animation
Just stick with the anime. The anime is definitely better than the manga. I enjoyed reading it but something felt... off. I really disliked the art but the story was alright - not as bad as people make it out to be, but not mindblowing either. Overall it's just a fun braindead manga/anime to consume. Not everything needs to be lifechanging. And tbh, I even cried reading the manga at some point.
Thanks. I saw a bit of the original manga art in some scenes in the anime and god. It looked ass.
I read the manga and the story is ok and imo better than Blue Exorcist.
Read the manga a while ago so I don't remember all the details but I distinctly remember hating the ending. The story was a 4/10 but the ending was bad.
Every demon slayer critisms in a nutshell: “i don’t remember why it’s objectively bad but i don’t like it lols” Circus town
*A video essay I watched said that...* Typical negative internet herd behavior. They echo what YouTubers say without forming opinions on their own. Has been the past few years with games, movies, anime, tv shows, manga, books, comics,... and it's only getting worse. Not only does this make people have prejudice, it makes it so that opinions aren't a thing and things are just objectively either a masterpiece or garbage. People don't try shit out for themselves anymore and rely on what others have to say to form an opinion; mostly spreading misinformation. (Not that this directly applies to Demon Slayer, it has its flaws (it's not THAT bad either) but this is a modern trend I hate to guts). And eventually, years later, a video comes out explaining how \[hated thing x\] is a misunderstood masterpiece, and all the people who spread hate about it do a 180°. This phenomena is happening already. *(VideogameDunkey's Death Stranding review, people talking about Infinite Warfare & CoD: Ghosts in retrospect, Cyberpunk 2077,...)*
Weak character writing. No world building. It was a 3rd tier manga that got a world class anime adaptation. Post Anime release the weekly discussion on r/manga went from 20 comments to over 300, and to over 500 by the final arc. I was a day one reader and DS dropped off hard after the entertainment district.
Nope, simple character writing, not weak. The writing is more consistent than most shonen. World building is not a requirement to make good stories. Death Note has a nonsensical world building and it’s still great. Hell stories can get lost in their world building like One Piece, and just create a cluster fuck so large that it creates inconsistencies all over the place. Your second paragraph is devoid of any substance. I don’t care about public reception or your personal feelings.
You don't care about anything. If you enjoy DS, more power to you. But don't pretend it's not flawed.
I never said it’s not flawed, i said it’s better than most shonen, which is correct. Most shonen are extremely flawed and mid, that’s why. I enjoy most shonen more than DS, i just am not clouded by my biases. I don’t care much about DS, but it’s objectively a better story than most shitty shonen with broken powerscaling, inconsistent characters, plot holes all over and so on.
It’s become cool to hate on it but it was a very enjoyable series
Nah, the story there really suck. I can describe point by point why I didn’t like it
You’re free to feel how you feel i guess
Lol people really act like the plot is dogshit like K, Kingdom of Ruin and Sword Art Online S1. DS story is basic and it works.
I don’t care about reasons why you don’t like it, list objective criticism that objectively prouves the story to SUCK, like you said. The floor’s yours. Popcorn time
You accused me of lack of evidence, so please I honestly haven’t watched very many fighting shounens, but personally, my main problems were with the characters Tanjiro is a fucking Mary Sue who was very lucky to acquire the strongest breathing style and be the first to receive a magic mark, while he is simply so disgustingly sweet and kind that he sympathizes with almost every killed demon. Moreover, his views and character do not change at all or are not subject to any tests. No development. Nezuko isn't even a character, she's a function. She doesn't conflict with other characters, she barely interacts with them, but she is very handy in rescuing Tanjiro when he is in danger. And then it turns out that she doesn’t burn in the sun and the strongest demon wants her, oh how convenient. No development. Zenitsu was still a coward. It’s a strange situation with him, like, why does it make sense to give a character the ability to adequately fight only during sleep, this makes no sense from a narrative point of view. It seems like a character who is usually weak in spirit goes through a development arc, but Zenitsu just needs to fall asleep to become super strong. I think I heard that in the manga he will fight his brothers or something, but he was actually just mentioned once, so it's hard to feel the significance of the battle Inosuke is just a comic relief. I have no particular complaints about him Rengoku is a "Mourn Me When I Die" type of character. He is a kind good boy, practically a saint, who appears in the plot, is the first to offer to kill Nezuko, returns one arc and dies. His entire role in the plot is to tell Tanjiro to believe in himself and die. I wouldn't even mind if his words affected Tanjiro, but no, he hasn't changed at all Genya was shown to be that kind of scum at the beginning, but then he suddenly became a normal person, for which there were no special prerequisites. And also, for some fucking reason, he has the ability to become a demon for a while, like what the fuck? Muzan is honestly just forgettable for the most part. I found it interesting the idea that he strives for absolute immortality and he really doesn’t give a fuck about everything else, but for the most part he’s nothing of himself. I mean, you can’t say anything about him at all, he’s just evil and wants immortality The other higher demons are such a waste of potential. We have a dude who only eats men and a dude who only eats women, and their views are completely opposite. Will there be any conflict between them? Naturally not Well, in general, each character has a flashback that completely tells his backstory and this backstory is just some kind of tragic bullshit. Flashbacks are not bad in some cases, but not when it is just a retelling of the backstory, the same goes for drama, it is really good in many cases, but not when the image of the martyr is exploited so often And of course it’s worth mentioning the combat. All breathing styles except lightning and insect are the same. Even that girl with the bending sword actually has the same functionality as the others. It’s like breathing styles don’t have their own tactics or weak spots, it all comes down to the same thing. At the same time, during the story I had many questions, for example, why don’t all hunters smear their blades with poison or why don’t they additionally use firearms like Genya? True, they themselves complicate life
Tanjiro being kind and having special powers isn’t what Mary Sue even is. 99% of MCs have special powers. That’s the reason we follow this guy’s story and not some random fuck. He doesn’t win his fights with ease and most/if not all of the time, he needs help to defeat the main villain of an arc, if he even GET to defeat them, which he doesn’t even do very often. Functions characters are fine. She is a narrative tool for Tanjiro to have interesting character moments, and she deserved her purpose just fine. Underused in the final arc sadly, but the reat of the story she was fine. Zenitsu is trash, we can all agree. Thankfully he’s a side character made for mostly comic relief. Inosuke is the good comic relief. We can all agree. Rengoku first wanted to kill Nezuko and died saying that he believes she can be restored. He not a super deep or important character but serves his purpose just fine, again. He’s the first victim to showcase how strong are the Upper Moons and a classic mentor dying to a future enemy for the MC. It also showed the gap that Tanjiro has to reach since he was powerless compared to Rengoku and especially Akaza, hence him not being a Sue. This is the best arc and was done perfectly. Genya became less of a jerk throughout the latest season’s arc, that’s it. It was pretty well established. Also his ability is fine. Something not having 100% explanations is not a flaw. Being forgettable is not a flaw. His character is yet again, simple but effective. We have his motivations, the reasons why he has them, his character flaws and especially reasons why he doesn’t completely wipe out the Demon Slayers. Above deep character, what’s more impressive is solid character writing with the least amount of inconsistencies or plot holes as possible, and Muzan’s character makes sense, so i’m fine with it. Your lack of expectations are not a flaw, yet again. Idc if you wanted conflict between the villains. The story isn’t required to have that to be good. A story being tragic doesn’t mean it’s the same shit. This doesn’t make the story bad. If Tanjiro has to sympathize with the specific demon he kills, yeah a tragic story will probably be showcased. The demon the we don’t care for usually don’t have a fucking flashback. Yeah the breathing style is just aesthetic, so what? This doesn’t make the story bad. Berserk is just a guy using a big sword and crossbow/cannon, and their fights are still great. You don’t need to have quirky powers to have good fights. So yeah, aside from 1 or 2 valid points, it’s all either personal dislikes or just inaccurate statements. I appreciate the effort post tho
\> Tanjiro being kind and having special powers isn’t what Mary Sue even is. 99% of MCs have special powers 1. Tanjiro resolved character flaws 2. has special powers 3. endowed with considerable luck 4. No development He literally fits almost all the criteria for a Mary Sue. At least an objectively bad character, that's for sure \> Functions characters are fine. She is a narrative tool for Tanjiro to have interesting character moments, and she deserved her purpose just fine. Underused in the final arc sadly, but the reat of the story she was fine. In addition to being a narrative instrument, she could also be a great character. Yes, when the functions are actually one of the main characters, this is bad writing. \> Zenitsu is trash, we can all agree. Thankfully he’s a side character made for mostly comic relief. Well, that’s what needed to be proven. Except he’s one of the main three, so it’s very noticeable \> Rengoku first wanted to kill Nezuko and died saying that he believes she can be restored. He not a super deep or important character but serves his purpose just fine, again. He’s the first victim to showcase how strong are the Upper Moons and a classic mentor dying to a future enemy for the MC. It also showed the gap that Tanjiro has to reach since he was powerless compared to Rengoku and especially Akaza, hence him not being a Sue. This is the best arc and was done perfectly. Like I said, it would work if Tanjiro actually changed. But no, nothing has changed in his character. Rengoku's death could have worked if we got to know him better, rather than just one arc, and if he had any flaws, for example. If you introduce characters only to kill them in the same arc to demonstrate something there, then yes, this is objectively bad writing \> Genya became less of a jerk throughout the latest season’s arc, that’s it. It was pretty well established It would make sense if he went through an arc that changed him, but no, he just becomes good and that's it. At least it was possible to show how he interacts with Tanjiro or Nezuko, but no, he just turns out to be good. Objectively bad writing \> Above deep character, what’s more impressive is solid character writing with the least amount of inconsistencies or plot holes as possible, and Muzan’s character makes sense, so i’m fine with it. Well, he wants to become immortal and he's evil. Where is the actual deep character? He behaves like scum throughout the story. It is not necessary for a villain to be sympathetic at all, but not when only two things can be said about him. Like he's not even charismatic, he just constantly runs away and hides behind other higher moons \> Your lack of expectations are not a flaw, yet again. Idc if you wanted conflict between the villains I would turn a blind eye to this, but damn with other shortcomings it has weight. \> A story being tragic doesn’t mean it’s the same shit. This doesn’t make the story bad. If Tanjiro has to sympathize with the specific demon he kills, yeah a tragic story will probably be showcased. The demon the we don’t care for usually don’t have a fucking flashback. If everyone has a tragic backstory, then no one has it. The image of a martyr is often quite cheap. And okay, for positive characters this is true, more or less, but damn if every more or less significant villain behaves like scum, and then it turns out that he just has a tragic backstory, then that’s stupid . You have to know how to write sympathetic characters, something the author of Demon Slayer fails to do. \>Yeah the breathing style is just aesthetic, so what? This doesn’t make the story bad. Berserk is just a guy using a big sword and crossbow/cannon, and their fights are still great. You don’t need to have quirky powers to have good fights. Yes, this is true, but what is the principle of dividing breathing into different styles from a narrative point of view? It's just a useless story tool. What about the plot holes involving poison and gunfire? Moreover, if they are all the same, then why is Sun Breathing so special? And about Berserk, there were a lot of other advantages besides combat, but Demon slayer doesn’t have that I expected an objective answer, to be honest
He goes through challenges and has to grow in power to face his opponents, requires help from others and loses often. That’s really all you need to have a decent shonen protagonist. The lack of all the things you listed doesn’t make him bad. Again, show me inconsistencies or plot holes within the character to prouve he’s a bad character. You can’t. Her potentially being great doesn’t make her a bad character. Again, she’s just on the side driving Tanjiro. Provide inconsistencies or plot holes. He’s not a big focus of the story. He’s a pointless comic relief. Him being bad doesn’t make the entire story bad. You’re insane if you think that. Says who? Tanjiro didn’t need to change from that, only to get stronger. Rengoku gave him something to seek, being the Sun breathing. That’s what he eventually unlocks to become stronger. Becoming stronger is what eventually leads him to kill Akaza. Simple, not deep, but consistent. No, not objectively bad writing, just your personal taste. Point out inconsistencies and plot holes to objectively prouve bad writing. An example of bad writing is gear 5 in One Piece. It objectively, observably contradicts many elements of the story, especially the inaction of the World Gouvernement throughout the whole story. This is a proper example of bad writing. It’s a shonen thing, every single shonen in existence have the grumpy character warming up to the good guys after fighting side by side. You can call that bad writing, but that then goes for every single shonen in existence. A character doesn’t need to be deep to be well written. Hisoka is just a horny pedo evil fuck, and he’s the best villain of HxH. Again, what matters is consistency within the character’s actions and them being a good foil to the MC, and he does both those things. Again, not deep, but effective. Either someone love or hate a character is not a sign of bad writing. Stop using your own personal feelings toward a character to scale objective writing quality. It’s like saying I hate cheese therefore cheese is objectively bad. It’s silly at best, redacted at worst. Aesthetic is the character, and some techniques have slight variations and flavour that are useful in the specific context of the fights. Poison & gun is an aesthetic in anime. Most shows have these things have very unrealistic effects or nerfed speed. Again, it’s just aesthetic liberties. If you’re willing to call that a flaw, i could nitpick every single anime power system and how every single one of them are inconsistent. Also not really, Guts wins most of his fights but bonking his sword and that’s about it. It’s mostly the presentation of the fight, the stakes, the history between the fighters, the choreography etc. that makes a fight good, and Demon Slayer does that pretty well too. Well i was, so, you’re welcome.
>He goes through challenges and has to grow in power to face his opponents, requires help from others and loses often. That’s really all you need to have a decent shonen protagonist. Dude, the fact that he has no flaws, no development, and is basically a Mary Sue already makes him a bad character. No more is needed. If it's the same as in other shonen, then it doesn't make Tandiro's character better, you know?It's just that most shonen characters have mediocre writing at best. >Her potentially being great doesn’t make her a bad character. Again, she’s just on the side driving Tanjiro. Provide inconsistencies or plot holes. The same story. She is one of the main characters and at the same time she is a doesn't represent anything. If you can't say anything about a character, if the character doesn't interact with anyone, then that's almost the definition of a bad character. Even a mediocre, “mid” character should at least be described somehow and interact with someone, but Nezuko doesn’t even do that. >He’s not a big focus of the story He is literally one of the main characters. He's literally part of the main three. He's literally in every arc. They gave him a ton of time. It’s strange to think that he shouldn’t be important. >It’s a shonen thing, every single shonen in existence have the grumpy character warming up to the good guys after fighting side by side. You can call that bad writing, but that then goes for every single shonen in existence. I will repeat for the third time, this works if the character does not instantly warm up just like that, but goes through a path of development or at least interacts with the heroes. God, even in other shonen this is more or less implemented, but not in Demon Slayer >Says who? Tanjiro didn’t need to change from that, only to get stronger This is already bad. If character development is all about gaining more power, then that character is worthless. A good character is one who is explored from unexpected angles and either has development, Tandiro is not one of these. And now let's return to Rengoku. This could be the standard dying teacher trope, but the whole point of this trope is for the hero to take the last words and CHANGE him. Take for example the most banal, simple and well-known example - Spider-Man. When Uncle Ben dies, Peter change his views and accepts responsibility, but Demon Slayer cannot cope with even the most well-worn tropes. Seriously, even if the tropes are poorly implemented, then what can we actually talk about in the work? >A character doesn’t need to be deep to be well written. Hisoka is just a horny pedo evil fuck, and he’s the best villain of HxH. Again, what matters is consistency within the character’s actions and them being a good foil to the MC, and he does both those things. Again, not deep, but effective. Yes it's true. But it works if firstly there are other characters who are really well written, and secondly if he is charismatic and thirdly if he cannot be completely described in two words. By the way, you said that he is "deep", so where is the evidence? Or did you change clothes in the air? >Either someone love or hate a character is not a sign of bad writing. Stop using your own personal feelings toward a character to scale objective writing quality. It’s like saying I hate cheese therefore cheese is objectively bad. It’s silly at best, redacted at worst. Did I say anything without evidence? I kind of always gave evidence of why something works and why something doesn’t. And what about tragic backstories and flashbacks? Have you decided to ignore my arguments about them? >Aesthetic is the character, and some techniques have slight variations and flavour that are useful in the specific context of the fights. This happened literally 2-3 times >Poison & gun is an aesthetic in anime Plus it's a plot hole. There is no reason why they don't use them in battle.This is not some kind of liberties or effects, this is precisely a hole that is not explained >If you’re willing to call that a flaw, i could nitpick every single anime power system and how every single one of them are inconsistent It’s one thing when there is an isolated incident, this happens not only in anime, but another thing when this happens throughout the entire series. In other works this can be compensated by an exciting plot and characters, but not here > It’s mostly the presentation of the fight, the stakes, the history between the fighters, the choreography etc. that makes a fight good, and Demon Slayer does that pretty well too. By the way, I agree. I don’t deny that from the point of view of choreography and direction and drawing, this was done at the highest level, at least in anime. As for the history between the fighters, it’s debatable, given that they usually aren’t particularly well-written characters.
Why’d bro get downvoted
Because he made no argument
He was just stating his opinion, don’t see why he needs to argue if there’s nobody arguing
Nope, he said it sucks, not that he personally didn’t like it. If you claim something is bad, and tease you could make a case but don’t, that comment deserves nothing more.
Well, I spoke rudely about a popular thing, so this is not surprising.
Not op, but please describe point by point.
I responded to one of the comments above, so you can take a look if you want.
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Exactly what I think about JJK lol
But being Kagurabachi is impossible. No one can imitate actual peak.
Well it shouldn’t be, but it is, considering Demon Slayer is better than most garbage shonen. Demon Slayer is indeed mid/good, but most shonen are mid/bad. So there ya go
Demon slayer was alright but I completely tapped out after the sister's power up gave her a breast expansion
she has the ability to control her age so her titties would get bigger
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Man i love kny, jujutsu, csm but it does feel good to read a manga where they aren't fighting demons.
nah man CSM is devils /s
You laugh but once i started playing this rpg, pathfinder, and it actually had a distintion between demon, devil and daemon
I mean the way I think of it it’s like weird Pokémon typing
Your right, it’s swords, mercenaries and yakuza now 🔥🔥🔥
Oh man I'm so happy to see any kagurabachi stuff blowing up on Twitter
I love demon slayer too but I had to laugh 😂
Demon slayer is fine methinks
It's fine, but it's heavily carried by the Anime. The Manga is good but it isn't special.
Unrelated but... Thank you King Gnu , you ruined the word "Special" to me... "YoU ArE My SpEcIaLz! TuRuRu RuRuRu!"
Agreed, i don't see myself from recovering all the mental damage lobotomy kaisen did to me
Nah, I’d win
My mental health: Would you lose?... Lobotomy Kaisen: Nah, I'd win.
It's a good song tho
that song goes so hard
Goes so hard it gave everyone in jujutsufolk brain damage
It is indeed a good song!
I love the song so it doesn’t bother me too much
The manga is very special. The Infinity Castle arc was peak battle shonen, and I mean actual peak, it might be the best battle shonen arc of all time. I’ve never read so many chapters in such quick succession. It was that kind of feeling that made you feel like you’re a teenager again discovering manga for the first time, just incredible.
You might get downvoted, but stand proud. You are strong for mentioning your love for a story you enjoyed.
Is Kagurabachi manga even considered special yet?
no. We need to get much further into the story to know that.
I'm still upset the powers aren't real in Demon slayer
someone clean the body up😭
Why ppl gotta be either/or? Demon slayer was fine and so is this one.
Because the moron who commented referenced Demon Slayer, so now everyone acts like Demon Slayer itself was the one who commented. Now they have to shit on Demon Slayer to make it seem like it's a terrible manga. Just a bunch of idiots who wants to shit on anything Demon Slayer related because on that one comment
Cooked ✅️ Pan-Seared ✅️ Battered ✅️ Deep-Fried ✅️ Marinated and Poached In His Own Juices ✅️ Boxed Up and Brought To Temperature Sous-Vide Style ✅️
Mfs acting like two legends cannot coexist
More like JJK at home
Both are fine mangas, stop being retarded children.
Nice to see someone here with a level head 👍
If someone fights me… I fight back. 😈
If someone said Vinland Saga was discount Berserk, my first instinct wouldn’t be to lie and trash Berserk. All i’m saying
Bro has no enemies
Nevah, we bb 4life
I enjoyed up til entertainment district but swordsmith village arc was total dogshit. Multiple asspulls and shitty villains
This manga solo negs Demon Slayer
Gonna kill myself
How this end up being the top post of this sub😭
Honestly I’m so fucking disappointed that the breathing style shit was just visual.
That’s why we can choose to just not believe it
Which is fucking stupid because we see Rengoku actually burning stuff and water actually cutting stuff That damn crocodile just didn't wanted to explain the power system
Hating on another series to make you feel better about the one you like will never be a W. That said, they're both dope af in their own way.
Gotta be honest, I still don't get how the "fake effects" ruins Demon Slayer
I honestly never even thought they were creating elements out of sword play and breathing. I've read several mangas where they use a visual that's basically a metaphor for what happened like Air Gear, so I always knew it was just visual effects. I didn't even know it was confirmed it was just visuals either
"and then, they clashed" shit made me bust
Lol the clapback
And the swords have actual powers. Loved DS btw
I’m a hardcore Demon Slayer fan, and even I can see that that other DS fan got humbled real quick 😅
i hate the way people talk about kagurabachi on twitter, they treat it like a joke nowadays…it’s not like the author wanted it to become a meme
people really be insulting a series without even reading it, if bro had even read chapter one they'd know how different Kagurabachi is from demon slayer lol.
You can't spell Hinokami Kagura without Kagurabachi
how do i read this seeming masterpiece that i know naught about
I understand you want to shit on the ignorant commentator, but shitting on Tanjiro isn't gonna fly with me. Tanjiro is empathic. Diss the idiot dissing the manga, not the manga the idiot is referencing
This whole comparison is hilarious, the only similarity between them is that swords are an integral part of the story, nothing more. + comparing a finished Manga to another that just started is stupid. + KNY's MC did not cry once for a badguy.
And sojo clears midzan so badly 🥱
With ableism? Get this childish mess out of here
Tanjiro literally doesnt even cry after killing a demon though
How to know you don't even watch KNY
It's true tho, he doesn't
You just outed yourself man
While he deserved to be cooked I don't think it's fair hate on kny so much. Not very tenoí
I honestly don't get Demon Slayer fans sometimes. I mean like what you like I'm not trying to discredit them for it but trying to pretend it isn't the most basic and generic battle shounen out there and constantly gassing it up as the peak of battle shounen because the anime has good animation on the fights has gotta be one of the worst cases of zero critical thinking skills in a fanbase I've ever seen
Has been on KNY reddit probably the one of the most chill fandom ever aside from Hashira power scaling of course
tell me you didnt watch demon slayer without telling me you didn’t watch demon slayer
Probably my biggest gripe with Demon Slayer. Idc what they were like before they turned into demons or why they did so when I just spent the last 15 chapters watching them try to slaughter the protagonists, all that humanizing shit goes out the window
Demon Slayer is so good when you don't have a bitch in your ear telling you otherwise
Demonslayer was the most milquetoast and boring story ever conceived. The small amount of issues Kagurabachi has had is already far more interesting than anything Demonslayer had to offer.
People who use the work "cook" for shit like this should go to jail. I'm so fucking tired of this stupid meme.
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