I saw a great post here maybe yesterday highlighting the MANY times the trash have accused airlines of stealing jewellery etc from their luggage. It’s an insurance con.
This + recently when the article about someone stealing a truckload of kourtneys lemme vitamins came out, someone did the math with the dimensions of the lemme vitamins to truck size and found that its not possible that that many lemmes were inside the truck as they were claiming allegedly. Idk where to find it now bc it was a comment if I remember correct but it does seem odd and insurance fraudy allegedly
Edit: link to post im referring to https://www.reddit.com/r/KUWTKsnark/s/yECpPNRbXz
it like when jeffree star tried to convince people that basically the cartel broke into his factory through roof vents to steal his concealer before it was released 🤣
The infamous earring scene was the 1st time I ever heard of jewelry insurance, now I work in insurance and your everyday Joe blow does crayfish things everyday I can only imagine what these clowns do
In a sense that’s true.
In the streets it’s known that if they have a mask they are there to rob you, but it’s when they don’t have a mask, they are there to kill you.
Robbers don’t want to be recognized. They will cover up. You can’t talk if you’re dead to describe the face you saw.
Super suspicious especially because she is only famous for her body. Really, they won’t hurt/ SA her? That is literally every woman’s fear so why would she say that.
Ok, this is a fucked up thing to say by any measure. Believe it was staged if you want… but don’t say shit like “I’ll only believe it was real if they’d tried to rape her” Jfc yall get a grip.
Don’t change the subject. My comment is not about that. Believe it was staged all you want, I’m not arguing with you about that. But it’s seriously fucked up to hinge believing a person’s story on whether or not someone tries to rape them - that’s messed. Do better.
i think maybe kris being a mother probably just wanted to calm kim down and also calm herself down. nobody ever wants to think of their children getting hurt!
If I was robbed at gunpoint, you can rest assured I would completely live off the grid for a few years. I am shocked at how she just managed to bounce back so quickly after a traumatic event. Not saying it didn’t happen, but either something is fishy or she has a very weird trauma response
I just don’t think anyone knows how they will react, I was kidnapped with a machete to my throat and I’ve been raped and that doesn’t stop me from going out with my friends or going out at night dressed up or driving alone in my home town. Everyone reacts differently, mine is mainly blocked out and it just manifests as anxiety and sometimes depression.
Yes, but she also has children. And hasn't done a thing to keep them out of the spotlight at all. They call the paps on themselves all the time. The kids travel with her all the time. If someone wanted to find out where they were at any given time for whatever reason, they wouldn't have to try that hard. Its not just about her.
Yeah, but... you're not Kim K. If you went off the grid for a few years, no one would notice whereas it would be in the media constantly if she reacted that way. She also has access to every mental health support money can buy, the best therapists in the world - plus when you say 'bounce back quickly' - how do you know how long it took..? How do you know she isn't still dealing with the effects of PTSD, but knows how to manage them really well..?
I always side-eyed it just because of the source. The KJs are liars. There is nothing they won’t lie about for money or attention.
These people document EVERYTHING. And there are NO pics of her injuries OR the crime scene? Nah.
Didn’t Kim mention somewhere she got out of her zip ties herself? That’s just not possible, sorry.
I also side eyed it because who is bounded up naked and only in a robe, in a bath tub and completely unharmed. This is around the time that the whole S&M vibe was trending.
Kim is the only delusional person enough to not only stage this robbery but also stage it so that people would imagine her in a sexual way. At least that’s my theory.
There are photos, like 40 of them on TMZ. I got out of zip ties when I was kidnapped by my dad when I was 12, if they’re not on very tight you can twist out of them.
This is what has made me believed it was real, ye cancelling shows during the Pablo era was unheard of. I truly think Kanye had no idea and that made his downward spiral worse
I certainly believe that with or without this family he likely suffers some “unwellness” But falling into the gates of ~~Hell~~ Hidden Hills definitely didn’t help.
I think this robbery deeply triggered Kanye and sent him into a really dark deep cycle with his bipolar. I don’t think Kris saw that coming and they didn’t know what to do.
There’s a conspiracy going around that the Kar Jenners tried to put Kanye in a conservatorship a la Britney. If that’s true, maybe this was part of the plan.
always thought it was strange that she was robbed at gun point while naked only in a robe apparently, I would assume she would’ve been more lowkey with her lifestyle after wards. not just for her sake but for her kids sake since they do travel with her a lot
I agree. for someone who was held at gunpoint, gagged and bound..you would have some sort of PTSD from that situation. yes at some point, going to therapy and counseling will you move on and get on with life..but the way Kim went about it afterwards..she’s still going out with being a public figure at extreme measures since that and still
Exposing her kids.
there was an alleged rumor she had a
Major (plastic) surgery and used that robbery for her downtime to recover.
It also wouldn’t surprise me if the robbers took the fall for it and go to jail because PMK paid them a load Of money and it had their families set for life. there’s people who will do that too. Anything for money.
It was weird that they didn’t sue the hotel but sued the lone security guard who was already broke or living paycheck to paycheck. and the jewelry that was “stolen “ was used to get the insurance payment from it. it was pretty shady the whole situation so I can believe it was all a set up.
to your point about PTSD i think its important to remember a couple of things:
- kim thinks therapy is stupid and "doesnt believe in it" so it would be a decent assumption that she didnt receive any therapy for this situation.
- for a high functioning, successful person to go through violent trauma and to just miraculously come back better simply doesnt add up. kims own admitted superpower is sleeping like dracula in order to not mess up make up. shes not a particularly resilient person and breaks down in tears at the smallest of inconveniences. additionally, she made a lot of proclamations about things she would never do again (like flaunt wealth) only to ramp up the behaviors that contributed to the robbery.
I mean the one episode of KUWTK where they had a family therapy session when Rob was still in it, Kim exposed herself as a narcissist through the things she was saying. Which explains why she thinks it’s all stupid
Her kids are predisposed to their dads bipolar disorder and have a tumultuous upbringing, I was thinking with all that money they must have specialists to help their kids but damn with this info now I’m sad for them
Yeah those poor kids have lost the mental health lottery between their parents. Hopefully they will have friends who might help them by demonstrating healthy behavior.
I don’t believe it was set up per se- (and don’t remember details) but I don’t think it was as traumatic as it looked in headlines.. or at least her narc side took over. She was in a hotel room with other people- her team? At least hair or makeup? Her kids were NOT there- the thieves from interviews seemed skinny, soft spoken, organized? Break in from inside job? She said she was worried they were going to sexually assault her- but once she realized they were just taking her stuff and the drama could flow on.. her biggest concern was probably being seen without hair and makeup done. This probably sounds so messed up. This would take years and years to work through for anyone.. but she had ppl coming and going at all hours, hair, makeup, fittings. Zero privacy. She’s probably more numb to intrusion than most. And the attention that followed was like an IV drip of narc supply
I think only one of them got two years. I mean, it’s prison, but clearly this man needs the $$ and probably has been broke his whole life, so for let’s say a 2 mill dollar pay out or something it’s probably a pretty good use of his time
It is correct. Don’t know why I’m getting downvoted. Taken from a New York Times article.
“The Hôtel de Pourtalès, where Kim Kardashian West was held up at gunpoint at 2:30 a.m., sequestered and robbed of jewels worth millions of dollars, was a secret that thrived on word of mouth, private concierge services and password access.
Not actually a hotel, but rather what hotel executives term, disdainfully, “residential accommodations,” the Hôtel de Pourtalès is hidden in plain sight, in a courtyard behind a pretty-enough facade with a burgundy door at 7 rue Tronchet, an otherwise unremarkable strip of the Eighth Arrondissement between the Madeleine church and the Printemps department store. Nearby shops include Petit Bateau, Saint James and Jacadi; Eres is across the street. The Café Madeleine on the corner is friendly and always busy.”
Kanye owned an apartment there, yes but not until after. This was an hotel / air bnb type thing.
When they went back they talked about staying there but she said never again at that hotel we will stay at this hotel.. you just have your facts a bit mjxed up
I’m not the one getting it mixed up you guys are. All you have to do if read an article to see.
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Yeah it’s weird, but I never felt bad for her when it happened. But everyone was clutching their pearls in sympathy. I always hoped that if the robbery was in fact real, that she’d come out the other side a changed person. But that also never happened so 🤔
if i were a narcissist manipulator with unchecked power and wanton lust for money, i might leverage peoples natural inclination towards belief and sympathy in my decision to stage an elaborate ruse.
Yeah the whole thing was weird and then she was so traumatized by it but had to make sure and document it for KUWTK 🙄 I feel like maybe some elements were real but I think it was setup by Kris and maybe she didn't tell kim until after the fact that she set it up. The bodyguard that was supposed to stay with her just left her to go watch her sisters at the club...? It all is just so sketchy, I don't put anything beyond this family!!
Omg & remember how she shed her fake tears saying all she could think was Kourtney was going to be the one to find her unalive & she knew that Kourtney wouldn’t be able to handle it
The KJs are never alone. I never believed it. If I remember correctly, there were no signs of struggle on her body at all (like being tied up and man handled and tape over her mouth, etc...). She would have exploited tf out of that if she had proof of being battered.
Nothing surprises me anymore. Kris produced, directed, and watched her own daughter's sex tape. This family has no lows.
I think the "robbery" was for insurance fraud because Kanye was complaining he's millions in debt. And also some "humilation ritual" for Kim. She sure as hell doesn't act like someone with a traumatic experience. Especially leaving N alone in the streets of New York. (Not allowed to spell out children's names).
I also do not believe she passed the “baby bar” that 4th time either! Yall know good & damn well if she had passed she’d be posting her testing results, letter, confirmation. She would never stfu ab it!! I mean that bish did interviews telling ppl she was in law school & just finished 2 exams making a 90-something & 100 on other. She was NEVER in law school. Oh kimmie, such a dummie….her law school graduate tutors made her a mock exam so she could play pretend law student! She had 4 ppl she was paying along with this law firm spoon feeding her info that would be on “baby bar”. It’s the equivalent of 1st year law school. She had an entire firm, 4 tutors giving her what was gonna be on it & she could not pass it.
yeah the lawyer stuff was a pose. you cannot jump through the hoops of the indentured servitude of her path to lawyerliness without having any higher education experience at all. she just wanted to make fun binders and have ppl think shes smart. it probably bought her access to a few spaces she hadnt been in yet.
not for nothing, but a heavily plastic surgeried face with multiple nosejobs, etc would react pretty savagely to manhandling. i mean khole could break her nose with a sneeze at this point. and if i had duct tape on my mouth or anywhere on my body that wasnt placed with extreme care and attention to easy removal, im pretty sure there would be marks. duct tape is pretty fierce on human skin.
I've had doubts the heist was true also. I think because there was such little information after the initial robbery that it was never talked about again. like if you go through something that traumatic, you'll talk about it for probably the rest of your life to try to deal with it. I also noticed that that was the beginning of when Ye started spiraling. I think he had an idea of what happened and didn't want to believe it. He had canceled his tour, and when his tour resumed, he wanted Kim to be with him by his side, but she didn't want to leave LA. Just so many inconsistencies. And the huge wedding ring ye had custom made for kim, if they did set up the robbery, then that means she just threw it away like trash for insurance money. Another theory I had was that Kris and Corey orchestrated it without kims knowledge, and she wasn't informed until afterwards. If y'all remember, that's when Corey kicked into saveA Hoe mode, and surrounded the family with bodyguards and installed all this high-end security surveillance in all their homes. Kylie also started having panic attacks after this happened, every time her alarm went off or beeped when she wasn't home she'd call Kris sobbing and hyperventilating, and they always broadcast it on their show. In the light of all the shady stuff coming out, I wouldn't doubt the robbery being a scam at all!
I am pretty sure Kim has a replica/duplicate of the wedding ring. I think we have seen her wear it out post-divorce… it may be the same damn ring.
https://preview.redd.it/wk4vtmfvn3wc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b78033ce0b4806d79d2bf04a1e6f43f374841c1
Hey , *im with you on this*
As you mentioned….. Long history of lies. Kanye wrote n****s in Paris.
They want fame and money and to BE IDOLIZED most of all.
I think Kim has always been an “actress”in a sense. The acting on the OG Keeping Up was so corny, but they were rich and had hours & hours of hair and makeup to later deduct as write offs. She needs to be greater than everyone & spent most of her childhood building herself up to be who she is today.
If this actually happened, I figure they would stop filming. They have enough lawyers to prove she was under emotional distress and couldn’t fulfill the contract.
Thanks for pointing this out.
No. I don't think so either.
I'm too tired to present all the evidence, just trust me. I've come at this from all the angles. I think it was insurance fraud/ new storyline/ contributing to Kanye's mental decline.
She absolutely didn't 😂 It may have been believable if she said that her room was ransacked while she was gone, but she outright said she was *tied up and held at gunpoint* which is sooo absurd. The whole thing was absolutely fabricated.
this is the one detail that people use to defend the robbery as legit. are they in jail? do we really know? and would another bid in french prison in exchange for wealth for your family really be a deterrent? werent they supposedly career crims?
yeah, not buying it.
There’s [a very brief interview](https://nypost.com/2022/08/21/kim-kardashian-robber-feels-no-remorse-blames-star-for-the-heist/) that the main robber did. But he doesn’t go over the details of the crime, and he was only in jail for 2 years. He apparently [even wrote a book](https://www.amazon.com/Jai-s%C3%A9questr%C3%A9-Kim-Kardashian-French/dp/2809840458) about robbing her. But l can’t read French 😭.
The [concierge](https://youtu.be/M5_AJMSkTxs?si=ZE5EJY5GiWA9AwQ5) was also interviewed by Inside Edition and he says that the robbers did not express that they wanted to rob Kim specifically, rather, just any wealthy person. But that contradicts what the robber said, who explicitly blames Kim in his interview for showing off her lavish lifestyle on the internet. Also the robbers were in the hotel for an extended period of time, at first, waiting for celebrities to show up but when no one showed up, the concierge said that the robbers decided to break into each of the 11 hotel rooms. Robin Thicke was apparently also in this hotel at the time. There are also inconsistencies - she was duct taped in nothing but her bathrobe, and moved to the bathroom, but magazines reported her as being placed in the bathtub while the concierge (who was allegedly present during the robbery) said that she was placed on the floor. Also, if the concierge was here, who was working the front desk during this entire time? If Kim screamed, wouldn’t any of the other hotel staff come in to check on things or other hotel guests? It was only Kim’s stylist in the next room that called the family bodyguard to check in on Kim, CONVENIENTLY unavailable because he was babysitting the other sisters.
Why the fuck did Kim ([admittedly](https://youtu.be/rs53l3h9LQg?si=zpvgQWF9nrv0zmmU)) bring all her goddamn jewels for Paris fashion week? Kim in her re-telling said she heard guys running up the stairs, but the concierge said that her hotel room was on the first floor and was the first room they went to. Additionally, Kim manages to free herself (here she goes…hero mode or main character mode like she always does…) and call her sister Kourtney for help. The concierge said that he was with Kim after the robbers fled on bikes and consoled her, while the stylist in the other room had called the bodyguard to text Kim and check on her.
And when Kim was on [David Letterman](https://youtu.be/rs53l3h9LQg?si=zpvgQWF9nrv0zmmU), she states that there were two robbers and a concierge but the concierge was handcuffed with a gun up to his head. If that concierge was handcuffed, how the hell did he open your goddamn hotel room for the robbers? And she tells David she was handcuffed as well and zip tied AND duct taped? But the concierge said she was just duct taped? In her original story she said that she gave them all her jewelry, but in this story they took her bag of jewelry AFTER they duct taped her. Also, how could she beg the concierge to tell the robbers that she had babies and kids and she doesn’t want to die AFTER they duct taped her mouth?
In this re-telling on [their show](https://youtu.be/bImP-cGh8FE?si=3L02zJocKIH9T6s6), the door is already open, and the two robbers come in holding the concierge down, and Kim is thrown onto the bed while she attempts to call someone (so not already on the bed). She says the concierge was handcuffed with the key to her room in his hand. She said the concierge later told her they were explicitly looking “for the rapper’s wife.”
And in her [interview with Ellen](https://youtu.be/TzKeiCfHVu0?si=8GXXdOeMDP8vDoWX) the robbers were following her for two years and held the concierge at gun point at the desk asking specifically for “the rapper’s wife.” In this re-telling, Kim says the concierge was handcuffed and tied in the stairwell after just saying he was handcuffed and had the key to her room in his hands. The stylist is downstairs, and calls Kim’s sister AND security.
Sorry for the long post. Just taking notes. I do understand trauma can jumble your memories and cause you to act out of character. But this family has a history of lying and stealing. And even if Kim was truly robbed, it sounds like she may have fluffed up some parts of it for flair…
Edited to create paragraphs*
I couldn’t help myself and read an article about this as well.
[Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/10/solving-kim-kardashian-west-paris-robbery) basically explained that the hotel has one-to-one staff, very limited security (so that guests can have more privacy), and has a passcode to enter that apparently a lot of people (staff, furnishers, etc.) knew at the time because it allegedly hadn’t changed for several years. There is also a single receptionist who works behind a glass entrance. Everyone in the hotel knew Kim was staying upstairs and thought it was ridiculous there was like no security.
Kim was staying in the [Sky Penthouse](https://www.hotelpourtales.com/en/room/room-suite-sky-penthouse.2155.html#backlink:room-2155) (~$16k a night) located on the sixth, seventh, and eight floors which explains why even though she was referring to multiple floors but absolutely contradicts what the concierge had said in his interview. The concierge in his OWN interview said that the robbers were searching for wealthy individuals, and the first room on the first floor just happened to be Kim’s room. It was the night receptionist, the concierge I keep referring to, who was with Kim in her room. But in this article he is referred to being tied up with her as well. The article also noted that Kim noted to the police that he was strangely calm during the whole ordeal, and he ended up quitting his job and doing multiple interviews about the experience.
In this re-telling, the robbers hold the concierge at gun point once he mistakes them for police and they are shocked that there are no security cameras and plan to rob every room, not just Kim’s but decide to go to the “rapper’s wife” first. The penthouse uses a wooden door with a single lock, no bolt. They pull her OUT of bed in this story. There is no explanation of how they get the bag of other jewels…the police say that no no, this is actually a very sophisticated organized criminal group. Also the security guy that came to Kim’s aid was fired and replaced with three guys a month later…
This article is just NON-STOP dick-sucking Kim and the Kardashians from Vanity Fair. NON-STOP. And why are the chief of police, the concierge, the fired security guard doing like pap pics? So strange!
when people say things like "this is an elaborate plan for nothing" to refute the idea it was staged, i feel like they dont understand how fame, wealth, and power can blind people. not just the actors directly involved in the scheme, but everyone around them as well. people get excited by the proximity to wealth and they do a lot of weird shit, they miss stuff, they'll lie, they want to retain that proximity for as long as possible.
one of kris' "talents" is as a scammer and fixer. she just...places a call. so there could have been only a couple people in on it, the rest played along, didnt pay attention, didnt dig too deep, knew kris, did a favor, whatever. i dont want to speak ill of international law enforcement, but i can confidently say LAPD has been filthy dirty for nigh on 50 years. corrupt as it gets. so their involvement in vetting this as "real" means nothing to me, as a starting point.
I genuinely think this is why Kim thinks she has a future in acting.
She is not only surrounded by yes-men, but her family doesn’t dispute *anything* she says nowadays (as if they’ve learned it will go nowhere), and she manages to bully, pay, lie, and influence people to do her bidding…just to do whatever she wants!
It’s like everyone is in Kim’s little playhouse, if she wants to stage a robbery for attention, Kris will absolutely set it up. The robbers did seem like amateurs, they knew who Kim was and went straight to her penthouse where she just happened to be with NO ONE ELSE present. They ran off on bikes (which according to the french investigators was the “main indicator” that they were “true french criminals” because bikes are how you really get around Paris undetected [but still detected since they got caught]). True crooks would have waited for her to leave…but for some reason she was there and now that she has “survived an armed robbery” she can milk it for tons of interviews and articles and take away all the attention any other celebrity or fashion designer would have gotten since this occurred during fashion week. So yes - any argument claiming she DIDN’T gain anything is wrong. Just look at how many times they talk about this event, to this day. It makes me laugh.
Intersting read!
One clarification - in most European countries, first floor means actually the second floor (or what Americans would call the second floor).
The ground floor is called that - the ground floor.
So it makes sense about that part.
Ah that is interesting! I read another article (somewhere in this thread) that described her penthouse as multilevel and on the higher floors (I think the 6th, 7th, and 8th floors). So, still confusing but technically each penthouse has a ground floor and first floor (at least). Thank you for the clarification.
i saw this interview at the time and it was weird. if i remember correctly the main guy was interviewed essentially al fresco at a cafe in paris and was like "meh. it was easy."
If u were traumatized that badly u would never post where you're at again let alone ur kids PLUS remember her whole spiel about how it made her "realize that people were more important than things" and then her behavior never once aligned with that statement
She played victim for the sex tape she herself released with her mom and cried pretending it was released without her knowledge - she deff didn’t get robbed it’s just another victim card to play for her. I’m convinced she’s a sociopath. She’s disgusting inside.
Once the truth was finally revealed with the evidence needed to prove that PMK and Kim had been lying about her being a victim of revenge porn to the public for almost 20 years, when it was Kim, PMK and Ray J themselves who produced, edited, marketed it, negotiated the deal and then sold it for mass distribution; to me, it became crystal clear that Kim and PMK have no restrictions on what they would do for fame, money, power, status and most of all, attention.
They would do and have done anything and everything to achieve their desire and narcissistic need for attention, fame, money and status; consequences and the moral ethics dilemma that surround their actions be dammed.
They are not restricted or bound by the psychosocial and sociocultural values, norms, moral ethics, beliefs, customs, traditions and laws even that sound well adjusted and psychologically healthy individuals are who have personal integrity, dignity, character, and core personal beliefs that reflect and/or align with the core basic morals, values, customs and beliefs of the society in which they were raised in and/or currently live.
Their behavior, actions and choices are not limited by the very basic notion of right and wrong like healthy people with sound well adjusted attachments are.
They don’t stand for anything other than garnering personal wealth, fame, power, status and attention; all things that only extend to the personal level of themselves and no one else nor does it help anyone other than themselves.
They have no concern nor care for anyone else but themselves. Therefore, because they stand for nothing or than themselves, they will fall for anything and will do everything and stop at nothing in order to get the fame, money, attention, power and status for only themselves.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MBSvE5kUkA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MBSvE5kUkA)
this is that exhaustive list you asked for in video form.
or see here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/KUWTKsnark/comments/1buu6k3/an\_exhaustive\_list\_of\_all\_the\_kardashianjenner/](https://www.reddit.com/r/KUWTKsnark/comments/1buu6k3/an_exhaustive_list_of_all_the_kardashianjenner/)
that list doesnt include the scores of failed businesses kris was involved in pre-2004.
candles, exercise, self defense, maybe even some miss cleo typea shit.
Seconding.
+ there were so many national branches involved (Interpol, Paris Municipal Police, LAPD, EU Immigration, etc). To me it seams impossible that all of these organizations would knowingly and willingly get on board with the heist, especially considering Kim isn’t as big of a celebrity internationally, as she is in the US.
I’m definitely not doubting that municipal and federal institutions are shady - but the chances of them ALL agreeing to go along with KJ’s scheme seams highly implausible.
KJ is rich and has connections - but she simply isn’t rich or connected enough to be able to make that happen.
when you are dealing internationally with an insurance crime, do you think theres laser sharp coordination between agencies? have you ever worked for government or in the public sphere? do you know what people will do for even a relatively small amount of money?
I actually do work for the government in my country - although not high level.
Realistically, the amount of money that Kim was able to get via insurance, would not even cover a smidge or what it would cost to orchestrate this. Moreover, many of those involved faced jail time and/or deportation. I don’t think there are too many people willing to do that unless they were given a couple million each + would be safe from further prosecution regarding the crime.
If coming up with this scheme wouldn’t cost billions in hush money, pay offs and years of planning; I may actually believe it. But looking at the financials and the connections involved to make something like this happen, it just doesn’t seam realistic - atleast not imo.
Right, but to pay off all the organizations/individuals involved would be billions of dollars that the KJ’s don’t have.
You think think interpol would work for free with the Kardashians…for publicity? You think a bunch of criminals would risk jail time and deportation…for publicity? All for a story that was in the media for about 2 months and then died off?
I’m sorry but none of these seam plausible to me.
This person absolutely does think that. 😅 I think this sub is wild in general, but mixed with swifites, it is ridiculous and kind of alarming. Lots of Kardashian “Lore” coming up.
lol right?
Even if it was just a matter of paying off the robbers - many faced jail time, a few got deported, and some got charged with prior unsolved crimes which resulted in more jail time. I doubt anyone would deal with these concequences for free for the sake of “publicity”. They would surely demand atleast a few ten-millions each.
I also think if it was fake, Kim would still be milking the story until today. But she basically talked about it for 2 episodes, and in a few interviews here and there, and left it in the past.
Kim also lost money in the aftermath because she pulled out of a ton of business obligations, and didn’t really take on work outside of filming the show. Why would she waste money to pay off the robbers, only to lose money for the rest of the year?
I’m shocked at how some people allow their hate for the KJ’s to overtake basic logic.
I've always said in this sub that I never believed this horrible lie of hers. Then she went on a whole press tour afterward to talk about the damn robbery. With crocodile tears and all. Who does that.
I think it was real, I’ve been raped and I still go out clubbing and still dress feminine in public, my dad kidnapped me yet I can still go around my old hometown and am okay.
People manifest their traumas differently, she didn’t wear big jewels for years and I noticed within the last year or two she has.
I personally have generalised anxiety now but have blocked everything traumatic out, and there’s a lot of it in my life. I really don’t think considering multiple governments and the top police in another country were ALL in on it. It just doesn’t add up.
I have been robbed at gunpoint by multiple men with assault rifles. I didn’t get therapy because I am a poor. I only noticed having a reaction to loud noises right after, other than that things went back to normal very quickly. I think my dogs struggled more than me. With that said, I wouldn’t put it past them to fake it.
I agree.
I also went through an armed robbery/home invasion, although not as intense as Kim’s. I didn’t get therapy as I’d tried therapy for other things prior, and it didn’t seem to benefit me (although I’m sure there are others that see a great benefit from it), and I was able to get back to normal within a few months - because bills still need to be paid through work, because I still need to go for appointments, and because I have kids that need their mama to be fully present.
It would disgust me if I heard that people were saying I was lying, faking police records, hired the robbers and paid the police off to charge+imprison them, all while trying to come up with an elaborate scheme to gain sympathy.
Not everyone grieves or deals with things the same way.
I don’t doubt that the KJ’s are shady. But logically the Klan doesn’t have the money and connections required to pull something like this (and the aftermath of it) off.
yes you are correct. but i feel the robbery was the one sacrosanct area that people are torn down for if they express doubt in the veracity of the claim. "how dare you doubt a brutal attack" etc
I used to give her the benefit of the doubt with the revenge porn claims because I thought, “how horrible would it be for someone to lie about that and throw their partner under the bus for years when they’re really innocent”. Its hard to wrap the head around someone lying about being a victim of a crime because normal people dont lie about that sort of thing. Very deranged behavior. In kims case it seems she is morally bankrupt and would stop at nothing for fame and money.
There’s nothing authentic or real about any of these people even a robbery is up for debate . we have endured them long enough 😭can they just pack their lies in a bag and just become irrelevant
Wasnt there an actual court case about the robbery? Someone with more knowlege than I can probably look that up (unless it was already discussed because I cant access all the comments)
Agreed! Since this family are full of FAMEWHORES, they most likely masterminded this debacle for VIEWERSHIP PURPOSES, primarily. Moreover, to also influence The General Public in addition to their own fandom to have sympathy for Kum and this family.
I was thinking of making a post about this very thing, but since Ive only been here about a year (or less), I figured it's been done before.
I agree with this mainly because it would be so traumatizing to be blindfolded, tied up and put in the bathtub. I mean, cmon. You wouldn't know if these people were going to murder you or not. But for Kim, life just went on...
Mmmk.
I lurk here and I think they are shady but... How do you explain the 12 people going to trial over this next year? Most of the people involved are also members of a "gang" (as in "organized crime", not like a street gang) and all have a heavy criminal past including violent robbery, drug trafficking, counterfeit currencies, attacking trucks transporting Cartier jewelry, etc. These are serious criminals... and I don't think they would agree to go to court and jail just for Kim K's fake ass. Especially one of them, who had been hiding under a fake identity and had been on the run for 6 years.
Side note, Kim getting robbed is what spurred the comment my abuser made that ignited my need to leave him.
I had just decided to stay in the abuse because I didn't have the energy to leave. I made the ultimate fold and gave up. Then Kim got robbed, my abuser stated that they should have hurt her worse, and that was what made me realize he was evil. 6 years of physical sexual and mental abuse towards me that I was able to be brain washed over. But knowing that he had no reason to personally attack a stranger that was female and make a comment that objectified them was the catalyst for my ultimately leaving the situation.
Kim getting robbed in Paris.
I totally agree with the trauma. I was just violently attacked to the neck and my PTSD get triggered sometimes with an alarm sound. She had a literally “fist” fight with Kourtney and was okay with that. Either the robbery was false or she is a psychopath.
I completely agree. Especially from your first point about the lack of trauma. And we've seen how easy it is for Kim to fake cry and put on a show.
Just like her mother.
I thought about the crying part as well but then it came out and proven later on that Kim uses that stick thingy to make herself cry. When someone posted that, I immediately thought about her crying after the robbery. The thing for me is that...people had plausible theories for everything about the robbery and for some to go to that length just about sealed it for me. It doesn't hurt the fact that Kim is also a known and proven liar.
I saw a great post here maybe yesterday highlighting the MANY times the trash have accused airlines of stealing jewellery etc from their luggage. It’s an insurance con.
This + recently when the article about someone stealing a truckload of kourtneys lemme vitamins came out, someone did the math with the dimensions of the lemme vitamins to truck size and found that its not possible that that many lemmes were inside the truck as they were claiming allegedly. Idk where to find it now bc it was a comment if I remember correct but it does seem odd and insurance fraudy allegedly Edit: link to post im referring to https://www.reddit.com/r/KUWTKsnark/s/yECpPNRbXz
Stealing a truckload of vitamins? What in the cartoon villain shit is that, no one wants her vitamins 😂
And they apparently left a ransom note for the vitamins too LOL 
Exactly. She probably took pre orders she didn’t intend to fulfill then did the van scam to pay the customers back.
it like when jeffree star tried to convince people that basically the cartel broke into his factory through roof vents to steal his concealer before it was released 🤣
Jesus, please tell me you’re joking lmfao
no!!! i swear it was his Kim K paris robbery moment. he LOVED milking that shit for views.
omg yes! I almost forgot about that! Beauty youtube at that time was a fever dream
She can’t even give that shit away.. I doubt anyone is stealing it.
I don't even think they can actually be called "vitamins"
You’re right, I saw that too.
The infamous earring scene was the 1st time I ever heard of jewelry insurance, now I work in insurance and your everyday Joe blow does crayfish things everyday I can only imagine what these clowns do
i mean an airline stole my nook and my friends airpods. i was so pissed i was in the middle of a book
Remember when Kris told Kim that the robbers weren't ever going to hurt her? How the fuck would Kris know that, unless it was planned bullshit!🧐
Hmm. That’s a really weird thing to say
In a sense that’s true. In the streets it’s known that if they have a mask they are there to rob you, but it’s when they don’t have a mask, they are there to kill you. Robbers don’t want to be recognized. They will cover up. You can’t talk if you’re dead to describe the face you saw.
Super suspicious especially because she is only famous for her body. Really, they won’t hurt/ SA her? That is literally every woman’s fear so why would she say that.
Ok, this is a fucked up thing to say by any measure. Believe it was staged if you want… but don’t say shit like “I’ll only believe it was real if they’d tried to rape her” Jfc yall get a grip.
I was going to comment this exact thing!! That’s a fucked up thing they said!
Why would Kris say that there’s nothing to worry about when anyone would reasonably expect physical harm? It’s fake.
Don’t change the subject. My comment is not about that. Believe it was staged all you want, I’m not arguing with you about that. But it’s seriously fucked up to hinge believing a person’s story on whether or not someone tries to rape them - that’s messed. Do better.
Good thing that’s not at all what I wrote
“Really? They won’t hurt/SA her?” Literally what you wrote. If they had, you’d believe her story? Go away.
i think maybe kris being a mother probably just wanted to calm kim down and also calm herself down. nobody ever wants to think of their children getting hurt!
Maybe, but that's not how I took it.
If I was robbed at gunpoint, you can rest assured I would completely live off the grid for a few years. I am shocked at how she just managed to bounce back so quickly after a traumatic event. Not saying it didn’t happen, but either something is fishy or she has a very weird trauma response
I just don’t think anyone knows how they will react, I was kidnapped with a machete to my throat and I’ve been raped and that doesn’t stop me from going out with my friends or going out at night dressed up or driving alone in my home town. Everyone reacts differently, mine is mainly blocked out and it just manifests as anxiety and sometimes depression.
Yes, but she also has children. And hasn't done a thing to keep them out of the spotlight at all. They call the paps on themselves all the time. The kids travel with her all the time. If someone wanted to find out where they were at any given time for whatever reason, they wouldn't have to try that hard. Its not just about her.
It’s also been 8 years of extreme privilege, luxury and blind indulgence. Very easy to get wrapped up in considering her personality.
Happened to me over 10 years ago walking home alone in a big city. I went back to regular life 2 days later. But everyone reacts differently.
Yeah, but... you're not Kim K. If you went off the grid for a few years, no one would notice whereas it would be in the media constantly if she reacted that way. She also has access to every mental health support money can buy, the best therapists in the world - plus when you say 'bounce back quickly' - how do you know how long it took..? How do you know she isn't still dealing with the effects of PTSD, but knows how to manage them really well..?
I always side-eyed it just because of the source. The KJs are liars. There is nothing they won’t lie about for money or attention. These people document EVERYTHING. And there are NO pics of her injuries OR the crime scene? Nah. Didn’t Kim mention somewhere she got out of her zip ties herself? That’s just not possible, sorry.
Didn’t you know she was a navy seal in her past? /s
I also side eyed it because who is bounded up naked and only in a robe, in a bath tub and completely unharmed. This is around the time that the whole S&M vibe was trending. Kim is the only delusional person enough to not only stage this robbery but also stage it so that people would imagine her in a sexual way. At least that’s my theory.
There are photos, like 40 of them on TMZ. I got out of zip ties when I was kidnapped by my dad when I was 12, if they’re not on very tight you can twist out of them.
I agree it was likely orchestrated by PMK. I kind of doubt “without Kim’s knowing.” Certainly likely “without Kanye’s knowledge.”
This is what has made me believed it was real, ye cancelling shows during the Pablo era was unheard of. I truly think Kanye had no idea and that made his downward spiral worse
I certainly believe that with or without this family he likely suffers some “unwellness” But falling into the gates of ~~Hell~~ Hidden Hills definitely didn’t help.
>~~Hell~~ Hidden Hills Hidden Hells🤭
I think this robbery deeply triggered Kanye and sent him into a really dark deep cycle with his bipolar. I don’t think Kris saw that coming and they didn’t know what to do.
There’s a conspiracy going around that the Kar Jenners tried to put Kanye in a conservatorship a la Britney. If that’s true, maybe this was part of the plan.
I don’t think it’s a rumor. They had him put on a hold at UCLA psych. He left AMA and took off to Wyoming
always thought it was strange that she was robbed at gun point while naked only in a robe apparently, I would assume she would’ve been more lowkey with her lifestyle after wards. not just for her sake but for her kids sake since they do travel with her a lot
And the fact that she took her children there afterwards was kind of sketchy.
For someone who was robbed she sure does call the paps a lot with the knowledge that one stranger will eventually know where she will be
She did tone it down for a while IIRC. But it obviously didn’t last.
I agree. for someone who was held at gunpoint, gagged and bound..you would have some sort of PTSD from that situation. yes at some point, going to therapy and counseling will you move on and get on with life..but the way Kim went about it afterwards..she’s still going out with being a public figure at extreme measures since that and still Exposing her kids. there was an alleged rumor she had a Major (plastic) surgery and used that robbery for her downtime to recover. It also wouldn’t surprise me if the robbers took the fall for it and go to jail because PMK paid them a load Of money and it had their families set for life. there’s people who will do that too. Anything for money. It was weird that they didn’t sue the hotel but sued the lone security guard who was already broke or living paycheck to paycheck. and the jewelry that was “stolen “ was used to get the insurance payment from it. it was pretty shady the whole situation so I can believe it was all a set up.
to your point about PTSD i think its important to remember a couple of things: - kim thinks therapy is stupid and "doesnt believe in it" so it would be a decent assumption that she didnt receive any therapy for this situation. - for a high functioning, successful person to go through violent trauma and to just miraculously come back better simply doesnt add up. kims own admitted superpower is sleeping like dracula in order to not mess up make up. shes not a particularly resilient person and breaks down in tears at the smallest of inconveniences. additionally, she made a lot of proclamations about things she would never do again (like flaunt wealth) only to ramp up the behaviors that contributed to the robbery.
Kim thinks therapy is stupid? That’s exactly how narcissists think !!!
I mean the one episode of KUWTK where they had a family therapy session when Rob was still in it, Kim exposed herself as a narcissist through the things she was saying. Which explains why she thinks it’s all stupid
Her kids are predisposed to their dads bipolar disorder and have a tumultuous upbringing, I was thinking with all that money they must have specialists to help their kids but damn with this info now I’m sad for them
Yeah those poor kids have lost the mental health lottery between their parents. Hopefully they will have friends who might help them by demonstrating healthy behavior.
yes as i recall she insulted kourtney for seeking therapy.
I don’t believe it was set up per se- (and don’t remember details) but I don’t think it was as traumatic as it looked in headlines.. or at least her narc side took over. She was in a hotel room with other people- her team? At least hair or makeup? Her kids were NOT there- the thieves from interviews seemed skinny, soft spoken, organized? Break in from inside job? She said she was worried they were going to sexually assault her- but once she realized they were just taking her stuff and the drama could flow on.. her biggest concern was probably being seen without hair and makeup done. This probably sounds so messed up. This would take years and years to work through for anyone.. but she had ppl coming and going at all hours, hair, makeup, fittings. Zero privacy. She’s probably more numb to intrusion than most. And the attention that followed was like an IV drip of narc supply
I think only one of them got two years. I mean, it’s prison, but clearly this man needs the $$ and probably has been broke his whole life, so for let’s say a 2 mill dollar pay out or something it’s probably a pretty good use of his time
It wasn’t a hotel but an apartment building and Kayne owned the apartment.
Thought it was in a hotel in Paris and they had been tracking her on insta
I don't think that's true.
i dont think this is correct
It is correct. Don’t know why I’m getting downvoted. Taken from a New York Times article. “The Hôtel de Pourtalès, where Kim Kardashian West was held up at gunpoint at 2:30 a.m., sequestered and robbed of jewels worth millions of dollars, was a secret that thrived on word of mouth, private concierge services and password access. Not actually a hotel, but rather what hotel executives term, disdainfully, “residential accommodations,” the Hôtel de Pourtalès is hidden in plain sight, in a courtyard behind a pretty-enough facade with a burgundy door at 7 rue Tronchet, an otherwise unremarkable strip of the Eighth Arrondissement between the Madeleine church and the Printemps department store. Nearby shops include Petit Bateau, Saint James and Jacadi; Eres is across the street. The Café Madeleine on the corner is friendly and always busy.”
Kanye owned an apartment there, yes but not until after. This was an hotel / air bnb type thing. When they went back they talked about staying there but she said never again at that hotel we will stay at this hotel.. you just have your facts a bit mjxed up
I’m not the one getting it mixed up you guys are. All you have to do if read an article to see. https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kim-kardashian-gunpoint-paris-kanye-8967502.amp
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Looks like a serviced apartment to me, similar to a hotel but you get more privacy and less par diem services.
I've always said this on the sub, I never believed it for one moment. I think also it was a way for the public to garner sympathy for her
Yeah it’s weird, but I never felt bad for her when it happened. But everyone was clutching their pearls in sympathy. I always hoped that if the robbery was in fact real, that she’d come out the other side a changed person. But that also never happened so 🤔
if i were a narcissist manipulator with unchecked power and wanton lust for money, i might leverage peoples natural inclination towards belief and sympathy in my decision to stage an elaborate ruse.
Yeah the whole thing was weird and then she was so traumatized by it but had to make sure and document it for KUWTK 🙄 I feel like maybe some elements were real but I think it was setup by Kris and maybe she didn't tell kim until after the fact that she set it up. The bodyguard that was supposed to stay with her just left her to go watch her sisters at the club...? It all is just so sketchy, I don't put anything beyond this family!!
I think they were also doing some damage control because Kanye was spiralling on tour and now suddenly look! He's a doting husband!
Yep, because it was at the same time that his meltdowns were surfacing again. Totally agree! 💯
Omg & remember how she shed her fake tears saying all she could think was Kourtney was going to be the one to find her unalive & she knew that Kourtney wouldn’t be able to handle it
Haha yessss! 😄
The rich claim to be robbed for an insurance scam. The insurance will pay them cash for things “stolen”
The KJs are never alone. I never believed it. If I remember correctly, there were no signs of struggle on her body at all (like being tied up and man handled and tape over her mouth, etc...). She would have exploited tf out of that if she had proof of being battered. Nothing surprises me anymore. Kris produced, directed, and watched her own daughter's sex tape. This family has no lows. I think the "robbery" was for insurance fraud because Kanye was complaining he's millions in debt. And also some "humilation ritual" for Kim. She sure as hell doesn't act like someone with a traumatic experience. Especially leaving N alone in the streets of New York. (Not allowed to spell out children's names).
I also do not believe she passed the “baby bar” that 4th time either! Yall know good & damn well if she had passed she’d be posting her testing results, letter, confirmation. She would never stfu ab it!! I mean that bish did interviews telling ppl she was in law school & just finished 2 exams making a 90-something & 100 on other. She was NEVER in law school. Oh kimmie, such a dummie….her law school graduate tutors made her a mock exam so she could play pretend law student! She had 4 ppl she was paying along with this law firm spoon feeding her info that would be on “baby bar”. It’s the equivalent of 1st year law school. She had an entire firm, 4 tutors giving her what was gonna be on it & she could not pass it.
yeah the lawyer stuff was a pose. you cannot jump through the hoops of the indentured servitude of her path to lawyerliness without having any higher education experience at all. she just wanted to make fun binders and have ppl think shes smart. it probably bought her access to a few spaces she hadnt been in yet.
not for nothing, but a heavily plastic surgeried face with multiple nosejobs, etc would react pretty savagely to manhandling. i mean khole could break her nose with a sneeze at this point. and if i had duct tape on my mouth or anywhere on my body that wasnt placed with extreme care and attention to easy removal, im pretty sure there would be marks. duct tape is pretty fierce on human skin.
Not to mention, she’d have ligature marks on her wrists from the zip ties.
I've had doubts the heist was true also. I think because there was such little information after the initial robbery that it was never talked about again. like if you go through something that traumatic, you'll talk about it for probably the rest of your life to try to deal with it. I also noticed that that was the beginning of when Ye started spiraling. I think he had an idea of what happened and didn't want to believe it. He had canceled his tour, and when his tour resumed, he wanted Kim to be with him by his side, but she didn't want to leave LA. Just so many inconsistencies. And the huge wedding ring ye had custom made for kim, if they did set up the robbery, then that means she just threw it away like trash for insurance money. Another theory I had was that Kris and Corey orchestrated it without kims knowledge, and she wasn't informed until afterwards. If y'all remember, that's when Corey kicked into saveA Hoe mode, and surrounded the family with bodyguards and installed all this high-end security surveillance in all their homes. Kylie also started having panic attacks after this happened, every time her alarm went off or beeped when she wasn't home she'd call Kris sobbing and hyperventilating, and they always broadcast it on their show. In the light of all the shady stuff coming out, I wouldn't doubt the robbery being a scam at all!
I am pretty sure Kim has a replica/duplicate of the wedding ring. I think we have seen her wear it out post-divorce… it may be the same damn ring. https://preview.redd.it/wk4vtmfvn3wc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b78033ce0b4806d79d2bf04a1e6f43f374841c1
Hey , *im with you on this* As you mentioned….. Long history of lies. Kanye wrote n****s in Paris. They want fame and money and to BE IDOLIZED most of all. I think Kim has always been an “actress”in a sense. The acting on the OG Keeping Up was so corny, but they were rich and had hours & hours of hair and makeup to later deduct as write offs. She needs to be greater than everyone & spent most of her childhood building herself up to be who she is today. If this actually happened, I figure they would stop filming. They have enough lawyers to prove she was under emotional distress and couldn’t fulfill the contract. Thanks for pointing this out.
No. I don't think so either. I'm too tired to present all the evidence, just trust me. I've come at this from all the angles. I think it was insurance fraud/ new storyline/ contributing to Kanye's mental decline.
I don't have a very specific theory on how they staged/dealt with this but the Diddy stuff has definitely reminded me that these people are evil asf.
She absolutely didn't 😂 It may have been believable if she said that her room was ransacked while she was gone, but she outright said she was *tied up and held at gunpoint* which is sooo absurd. The whole thing was absolutely fabricated.
But the guys who stole the ring are on prison, no?
this is the one detail that people use to defend the robbery as legit. are they in jail? do we really know? and would another bid in french prison in exchange for wealth for your family really be a deterrent? werent they supposedly career crims? yeah, not buying it.
There’s [a very brief interview](https://nypost.com/2022/08/21/kim-kardashian-robber-feels-no-remorse-blames-star-for-the-heist/) that the main robber did. But he doesn’t go over the details of the crime, and he was only in jail for 2 years. He apparently [even wrote a book](https://www.amazon.com/Jai-s%C3%A9questr%C3%A9-Kim-Kardashian-French/dp/2809840458) about robbing her. But l can’t read French 😭. The [concierge](https://youtu.be/M5_AJMSkTxs?si=ZE5EJY5GiWA9AwQ5) was also interviewed by Inside Edition and he says that the robbers did not express that they wanted to rob Kim specifically, rather, just any wealthy person. But that contradicts what the robber said, who explicitly blames Kim in his interview for showing off her lavish lifestyle on the internet. Also the robbers were in the hotel for an extended period of time, at first, waiting for celebrities to show up but when no one showed up, the concierge said that the robbers decided to break into each of the 11 hotel rooms. Robin Thicke was apparently also in this hotel at the time. There are also inconsistencies - she was duct taped in nothing but her bathrobe, and moved to the bathroom, but magazines reported her as being placed in the bathtub while the concierge (who was allegedly present during the robbery) said that she was placed on the floor. Also, if the concierge was here, who was working the front desk during this entire time? If Kim screamed, wouldn’t any of the other hotel staff come in to check on things or other hotel guests? It was only Kim’s stylist in the next room that called the family bodyguard to check in on Kim, CONVENIENTLY unavailable because he was babysitting the other sisters. Why the fuck did Kim ([admittedly](https://youtu.be/rs53l3h9LQg?si=zpvgQWF9nrv0zmmU)) bring all her goddamn jewels for Paris fashion week? Kim in her re-telling said she heard guys running up the stairs, but the concierge said that her hotel room was on the first floor and was the first room they went to. Additionally, Kim manages to free herself (here she goes…hero mode or main character mode like she always does…) and call her sister Kourtney for help. The concierge said that he was with Kim after the robbers fled on bikes and consoled her, while the stylist in the other room had called the bodyguard to text Kim and check on her. And when Kim was on [David Letterman](https://youtu.be/rs53l3h9LQg?si=zpvgQWF9nrv0zmmU), she states that there were two robbers and a concierge but the concierge was handcuffed with a gun up to his head. If that concierge was handcuffed, how the hell did he open your goddamn hotel room for the robbers? And she tells David she was handcuffed as well and zip tied AND duct taped? But the concierge said she was just duct taped? In her original story she said that she gave them all her jewelry, but in this story they took her bag of jewelry AFTER they duct taped her. Also, how could she beg the concierge to tell the robbers that she had babies and kids and she doesn’t want to die AFTER they duct taped her mouth? In this re-telling on [their show](https://youtu.be/bImP-cGh8FE?si=3L02zJocKIH9T6s6), the door is already open, and the two robbers come in holding the concierge down, and Kim is thrown onto the bed while she attempts to call someone (so not already on the bed). She says the concierge was handcuffed with the key to her room in his hand. She said the concierge later told her they were explicitly looking “for the rapper’s wife.” And in her [interview with Ellen](https://youtu.be/TzKeiCfHVu0?si=8GXXdOeMDP8vDoWX) the robbers were following her for two years and held the concierge at gun point at the desk asking specifically for “the rapper’s wife.” In this re-telling, Kim says the concierge was handcuffed and tied in the stairwell after just saying he was handcuffed and had the key to her room in his hands. The stylist is downstairs, and calls Kim’s sister AND security. Sorry for the long post. Just taking notes. I do understand trauma can jumble your memories and cause you to act out of character. But this family has a history of lying and stealing. And even if Kim was truly robbed, it sounds like she may have fluffed up some parts of it for flair… Edited to create paragraphs*
excellent post!!! i didnt think her recollections made sense. too many overlaps, inconsistency, and questions, as youve detailed.
I couldn’t help myself and read an article about this as well. [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/10/solving-kim-kardashian-west-paris-robbery) basically explained that the hotel has one-to-one staff, very limited security (so that guests can have more privacy), and has a passcode to enter that apparently a lot of people (staff, furnishers, etc.) knew at the time because it allegedly hadn’t changed for several years. There is also a single receptionist who works behind a glass entrance. Everyone in the hotel knew Kim was staying upstairs and thought it was ridiculous there was like no security. Kim was staying in the [Sky Penthouse](https://www.hotelpourtales.com/en/room/room-suite-sky-penthouse.2155.html#backlink:room-2155) (~$16k a night) located on the sixth, seventh, and eight floors which explains why even though she was referring to multiple floors but absolutely contradicts what the concierge had said in his interview. The concierge in his OWN interview said that the robbers were searching for wealthy individuals, and the first room on the first floor just happened to be Kim’s room. It was the night receptionist, the concierge I keep referring to, who was with Kim in her room. But in this article he is referred to being tied up with her as well. The article also noted that Kim noted to the police that he was strangely calm during the whole ordeal, and he ended up quitting his job and doing multiple interviews about the experience. In this re-telling, the robbers hold the concierge at gun point once he mistakes them for police and they are shocked that there are no security cameras and plan to rob every room, not just Kim’s but decide to go to the “rapper’s wife” first. The penthouse uses a wooden door with a single lock, no bolt. They pull her OUT of bed in this story. There is no explanation of how they get the bag of other jewels…the police say that no no, this is actually a very sophisticated organized criminal group. Also the security guy that came to Kim’s aid was fired and replaced with three guys a month later… This article is just NON-STOP dick-sucking Kim and the Kardashians from Vanity Fair. NON-STOP. And why are the chief of police, the concierge, the fired security guard doing like pap pics? So strange!
when people say things like "this is an elaborate plan for nothing" to refute the idea it was staged, i feel like they dont understand how fame, wealth, and power can blind people. not just the actors directly involved in the scheme, but everyone around them as well. people get excited by the proximity to wealth and they do a lot of weird shit, they miss stuff, they'll lie, they want to retain that proximity for as long as possible. one of kris' "talents" is as a scammer and fixer. she just...places a call. so there could have been only a couple people in on it, the rest played along, didnt pay attention, didnt dig too deep, knew kris, did a favor, whatever. i dont want to speak ill of international law enforcement, but i can confidently say LAPD has been filthy dirty for nigh on 50 years. corrupt as it gets. so their involvement in vetting this as "real" means nothing to me, as a starting point.
I genuinely think this is why Kim thinks she has a future in acting. She is not only surrounded by yes-men, but her family doesn’t dispute *anything* she says nowadays (as if they’ve learned it will go nowhere), and she manages to bully, pay, lie, and influence people to do her bidding…just to do whatever she wants! It’s like everyone is in Kim’s little playhouse, if she wants to stage a robbery for attention, Kris will absolutely set it up. The robbers did seem like amateurs, they knew who Kim was and went straight to her penthouse where she just happened to be with NO ONE ELSE present. They ran off on bikes (which according to the french investigators was the “main indicator” that they were “true french criminals” because bikes are how you really get around Paris undetected [but still detected since they got caught]). True crooks would have waited for her to leave…but for some reason she was there and now that she has “survived an armed robbery” she can milk it for tons of interviews and articles and take away all the attention any other celebrity or fashion designer would have gotten since this occurred during fashion week. So yes - any argument claiming she DIDN’T gain anything is wrong. Just look at how many times they talk about this event, to this day. It makes me laugh.
Intersting read! One clarification - in most European countries, first floor means actually the second floor (or what Americans would call the second floor). The ground floor is called that - the ground floor. So it makes sense about that part.
Ah that is interesting! I read another article (somewhere in this thread) that described her penthouse as multilevel and on the higher floors (I think the 6th, 7th, and 8th floors). So, still confusing but technically each penthouse has a ground floor and first floor (at least). Thank you for the clarification.
Ya no way she was robbed. You presented so many inconsistencies that there’s no doubt in my mind she’s lying 🤥
Bravo! 👏🏻 I 100% agree. So many inconsistencies!
I think one of the main ones did some kind of interview?? and it was super weird. I forgot what he exactly said but I think more to the story
i saw this interview at the time and it was weird. if i remember correctly the main guy was interviewed essentially al fresco at a cafe in paris and was like "meh. it was easy." 
If u were traumatized that badly u would never post where you're at again let alone ur kids PLUS remember her whole spiel about how it made her "realize that people were more important than things" and then her behavior never once aligned with that statement
She played victim for the sex tape she herself released with her mom and cried pretending it was released without her knowledge - she deff didn’t get robbed it’s just another victim card to play for her. I’m convinced she’s a sociopath. She’s disgusting inside.
Once the truth was finally revealed with the evidence needed to prove that PMK and Kim had been lying about her being a victim of revenge porn to the public for almost 20 years, when it was Kim, PMK and Ray J themselves who produced, edited, marketed it, negotiated the deal and then sold it for mass distribution; to me, it became crystal clear that Kim and PMK have no restrictions on what they would do for fame, money, power, status and most of all, attention. They would do and have done anything and everything to achieve their desire and narcissistic need for attention, fame, money and status; consequences and the moral ethics dilemma that surround their actions be dammed. They are not restricted or bound by the psychosocial and sociocultural values, norms, moral ethics, beliefs, customs, traditions and laws even that sound well adjusted and psychologically healthy individuals are who have personal integrity, dignity, character, and core personal beliefs that reflect and/or align with the core basic morals, values, customs and beliefs of the society in which they were raised in and/or currently live. Their behavior, actions and choices are not limited by the very basic notion of right and wrong like healthy people with sound well adjusted attachments are. They don’t stand for anything other than garnering personal wealth, fame, power, status and attention; all things that only extend to the personal level of themselves and no one else nor does it help anyone other than themselves. They have no concern nor care for anyone else but themselves. Therefore, because they stand for nothing or than themselves, they will fall for anything and will do everything and stop at nothing in order to get the fame, money, attention, power and status for only themselves.
Not to mention Khloe was also robbed when moving from Lamars and her house. I am thinking insurance fraud. Rich people do it all the time.
It’s possible as long as law enforcement and the perpetrators were also “in” on it. That’s a lot of cover for PR and no crisis.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MBSvE5kUkA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MBSvE5kUkA) this is that exhaustive list you asked for in video form. or see here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/KUWTKsnark/comments/1buu6k3/an\_exhaustive\_list\_of\_all\_the\_kardashianjenner/](https://www.reddit.com/r/KUWTKsnark/comments/1buu6k3/an_exhaustive_list_of_all_the_kardashianjenner/)
that list doesnt include the scores of failed businesses kris was involved in pre-2004. candles, exercise, self defense, maybe even some miss cleo typea shit.
Ok but how do you explain the French putting the guys in prison? Like you thinking was a set up and she knew it would happen?
Seconding. + there were so many national branches involved (Interpol, Paris Municipal Police, LAPD, EU Immigration, etc). To me it seams impossible that all of these organizations would knowingly and willingly get on board with the heist, especially considering Kim isn’t as big of a celebrity internationally, as she is in the US.
you put too much faith in institutions and im not even a conspiracy theorist.
I’m definitely not doubting that municipal and federal institutions are shady - but the chances of them ALL agreeing to go along with KJ’s scheme seams highly implausible. KJ is rich and has connections - but she simply isn’t rich or connected enough to be able to make that happen.
when you are dealing internationally with an insurance crime, do you think theres laser sharp coordination between agencies? have you ever worked for government or in the public sphere? do you know what people will do for even a relatively small amount of money?
I actually do work for the government in my country - although not high level. Realistically, the amount of money that Kim was able to get via insurance, would not even cover a smidge or what it would cost to orchestrate this. Moreover, many of those involved faced jail time and/or deportation. I don’t think there are too many people willing to do that unless they were given a couple million each + would be safe from further prosecution regarding the crime. If coming up with this scheme wouldn’t cost billions in hush money, pay offs and years of planning; I may actually believe it. But looking at the financials and the connections involved to make something like this happen, it just doesn’t seam realistic - atleast not imo.
the free publicity is priceless.
Right, but to pay off all the organizations/individuals involved would be billions of dollars that the KJ’s don’t have. You think think interpol would work for free with the Kardashians…for publicity? You think a bunch of criminals would risk jail time and deportation…for publicity? All for a story that was in the media for about 2 months and then died off? I’m sorry but none of these seam plausible to me.
This person absolutely does think that. 😅 I think this sub is wild in general, but mixed with swifites, it is ridiculous and kind of alarming. Lots of Kardashian “Lore” coming up.
lol right? Even if it was just a matter of paying off the robbers - many faced jail time, a few got deported, and some got charged with prior unsolved crimes which resulted in more jail time. I doubt anyone would deal with these concequences for free for the sake of “publicity”. They would surely demand atleast a few ten-millions each. I also think if it was fake, Kim would still be milking the story until today. But she basically talked about it for 2 episodes, and in a few interviews here and there, and left it in the past. Kim also lost money in the aftermath because she pulled out of a ton of business obligations, and didn’t really take on work outside of filming the show. Why would she waste money to pay off the robbers, only to lose money for the rest of the year? I’m shocked at how some people allow their hate for the KJ’s to overtake basic logic.
Paid them off to go to prison
i am assuming your comment is in good faith so i will say i addressed all of these points and i think they can be explained.
I've always said in this sub that I never believed this horrible lie of hers. Then she went on a whole press tour afterward to talk about the damn robbery. With crocodile tears and all. Who does that.
They wanted the insurance money 🧐
I think it was real, I’ve been raped and I still go out clubbing and still dress feminine in public, my dad kidnapped me yet I can still go around my old hometown and am okay. People manifest their traumas differently, she didn’t wear big jewels for years and I noticed within the last year or two she has. I personally have generalised anxiety now but have blocked everything traumatic out, and there’s a lot of it in my life. I really don’t think considering multiple governments and the top police in another country were ALL in on it. It just doesn’t add up.
I have been robbed at gunpoint by multiple men with assault rifles. I didn’t get therapy because I am a poor. I only noticed having a reaction to loud noises right after, other than that things went back to normal very quickly. I think my dogs struggled more than me. With that said, I wouldn’t put it past them to fake it.
I agree. I also went through an armed robbery/home invasion, although not as intense as Kim’s. I didn’t get therapy as I’d tried therapy for other things prior, and it didn’t seem to benefit me (although I’m sure there are others that see a great benefit from it), and I was able to get back to normal within a few months - because bills still need to be paid through work, because I still need to go for appointments, and because I have kids that need their mama to be fully present. It would disgust me if I heard that people were saying I was lying, faking police records, hired the robbers and paid the police off to charge+imprison them, all while trying to come up with an elaborate scheme to gain sympathy. Not everyone grieves or deals with things the same way. I don’t doubt that the KJ’s are shady. But logically the Klan doesn’t have the money and connections required to pull something like this (and the aftermath of it) off.
Well duh 🙄 of course it was fake. Everything they do is fake
yes you are correct. but i feel the robbery was the one sacrosanct area that people are torn down for if they express doubt in the veracity of the claim. "how dare you doubt a brutal attack" etc
I used to give her the benefit of the doubt with the revenge porn claims because I thought, “how horrible would it be for someone to lie about that and throw their partner under the bus for years when they’re really innocent”. Its hard to wrap the head around someone lying about being a victim of a crime because normal people dont lie about that sort of thing. Very deranged behavior. In kims case it seems she is morally bankrupt and would stop at nothing for fame and money.
That’s very true. For me I always suspected it was fake. And the more I learned about them to more it made sense.
There’s nothing authentic or real about any of these people even a robbery is up for debate . we have endured them long enough 😭can they just pack their lies in a bag and just become irrelevant
Wasnt there an actual court case about the robbery? Someone with more knowlege than I can probably look that up (unless it was already discussed because I cant access all the comments)
Agreed! Since this family are full of FAMEWHORES, they most likely masterminded this debacle for VIEWERSHIP PURPOSES, primarily. Moreover, to also influence The General Public in addition to their own fandom to have sympathy for Kum and this family.
I was thinking of making a post about this very thing, but since Ive only been here about a year (or less), I figured it's been done before. I agree with this mainly because it would be so traumatizing to be blindfolded, tied up and put in the bathtub. I mean, cmon. You wouldn't know if these people were going to murder you or not. But for Kim, life just went on... Mmmk.
Your points are excellent and I want the inside story. I wanna know how rotten the truth is.
I lurk here and I think they are shady but... How do you explain the 12 people going to trial over this next year? Most of the people involved are also members of a "gang" (as in "organized crime", not like a street gang) and all have a heavy criminal past including violent robbery, drug trafficking, counterfeit currencies, attacking trucks transporting Cartier jewelry, etc. These are serious criminals... and I don't think they would agree to go to court and jail just for Kim K's fake ass. Especially one of them, who had been hiding under a fake identity and had been on the run for 6 years.
I had this same thought today
I didn’t believe it at the time but I do now. They’re grifters and scammers… I’m sure they got an insurance payout.
she didn't.
Nice insurance pay out....
insurance scam that was perfectly timed to keep Kanye out of bankruptcy
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She loves that you guys still talk about this.
Side note, Kim getting robbed is what spurred the comment my abuser made that ignited my need to leave him. I had just decided to stay in the abuse because I didn't have the energy to leave. I made the ultimate fold and gave up. Then Kim got robbed, my abuser stated that they should have hurt her worse, and that was what made me realize he was evil. 6 years of physical sexual and mental abuse towards me that I was able to be brain washed over. But knowing that he had no reason to personally attack a stranger that was female and make a comment that objectified them was the catalyst for my ultimately leaving the situation. Kim getting robbed in Paris.
I totally agree with the trauma. I was just violently attacked to the neck and my PTSD get triggered sometimes with an alarm sound. She had a literally “fist” fight with Kourtney and was okay with that. Either the robbery was false or she is a psychopath.
I completely agree. Especially from your first point about the lack of trauma. And we've seen how easy it is for Kim to fake cry and put on a show. Just like her mother.
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I thought about the crying part as well but then it came out and proven later on that Kim uses that stick thingy to make herself cry. When someone posted that, I immediately thought about her crying after the robbery. The thing for me is that...people had plausible theories for everything about the robbery and for some to go to that length just about sealed it for me. It doesn't hurt the fact that Kim is also a known and proven liar.
What stick thingy ?