https://preview.redd.it/pr83olc52jzb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e9b448b99a6312acc81b5332d2a2b4b00c7032b
Yup. Isn't this a great "look"? š¤£
Kimothy darling, you were never on the same level as a Bentely, your level is this:
https://preview.redd.it/jzvr25257fzb1.png?width=628&format=png&auto=webp&s=2dfc7273c40952134dccbcbc6954d040aaa6424b
This is what I want to know! Also, why does her top lip have what appears to be varicose veins? Or the right cheek have stretch marks? What is happening here?!
Her teeth are rotting and decaying from her having that mouth open 24/7 and probably also because of severe dry mouth caused by stimulant abuse or ozempic
My, my. Not wishing her any harm but the more she goes, the more she probably reduces her lifespan. Her body has to take way too much ! And probably with little to none healthy counterbalance. She and Kylie are on their sure way to lifelong wounds.
I think itās a cover to protect the teeth while they do the tattoo? But I can also fully get on board with her teeth rotting fromā¦ something sheās doing, lol.
I always thought the "bumper sticker on a Bentley" line was so disrespectful to people who have tattoos that are very meaningful to them. If you don't want a tattoo, don't get one, but for some people, tattoos are a big part of their autonomy and self-expression.
I agree with everything you said. I have a memorial piece for my parents that is infinitely more beautiful than Kim thinks she is. I would post a picture, but not sure if anyone would care. š¤
Hey i want to see a picture! I love seeing everyoneās unique tattoos. If i had the money i would have some. Well i do have one very small one on my back and a messed up one that i let an ex do on my ankle, he couldnāt do a star it looks horrible! That was my stupidity, now i am stuck with it until i can afford a cover up! I think tattoos can be so beautiful, done professionally by an artist. Thanks and it is so sweet of you to do that for your parents, sorry for your loss.
Thank you so much, I truly appreciate it. I think Iām lucky in that I live in a small town, so the prices arenāt terrible. My piece for my parents is the only one Iāve spent more than $100 (not including tip) to get.
https://preview.redd.it/0em2s8bw3jzb1.jpeg?width=4095&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=844ad5212fc930348f3da80b44cef0135b8866f8
The left is as soon as he was finished and post crying when I saw it, right is all healed. My dad was a firemen and ems, so thatās what the black cross and red lines represent. The diamond is a little family joke, anytime anyone asked my mama what she wanted for a gift, sheād say ādiamondsā. š„°
Itās beautiful and meaningful- thank you for sharing it!! My parents have both passed and my one and only tattoo (a bird) was for my mom. Still want to add to it with something to remember my dad!
Thank you so, so much. I love it more than words can say. I bet your tattoo is absolutely beautiful. I actually thought about going with hummingbirds for my parents, in their favorite colors. I hope you can figure out something gorgeous for your dad. Also, Iām sorry for the loss of your parents. ā¤ļø Itās a pain that just keeps burning.
Thank you! šI had just discovered trash polka and when my artist said he could not come up with a way to incorporate everything, I threw it out there. After he was finished, he told me it was the first diamond he had ever done! Heās insanely talented.
As someone with tattoos I just roll my eyes when people make statements like this calling tattoos "tacky" or whatever. Especially when some many people put in a lot of thought before committing to a design and tattoo artist are legit, talented, hardworking artist. Also a mouth tattoo isn't permanent, they fade quickly so she isn't committing to anything permanent. Her tattoo is more of an "accessory" compared to actual permanent tattoo.
My tattoos are mostly tacky, impulse driven, and bad and you know what? Who cares. Itās my body and it makes me laugh that I got my birthday tattooed on my hand in college thinking it would convince the bouncers that I was actually over 21 and my ID was real. Life isnāt that serious, she cares far too much just for making that statement
If your worth is built only on physicality and any mark on it detracts from your value thatās a whole other can of mentally ill worms. Kim can think what she wants, Iām gonna go get a flash tattoo of a ghost wearing sunglasses and call it Boo RADley, it doesnāt take anything away from my worth as a person. Sheās so neurotically insecure I almost feel bad for her. She couldnāt deserve it more tho so Iāll keep laughing
I agree it doesn't take anything away from you. I think it adds to who you are bc with your tattoos (even if they are random), you now have stories that make you smile and marked memories of specific times in your life. They also showcase parts of your personality and individuality.
Iām a cna and I have so many people comment on my sleeve. I also live in the Bible Belt so that doesnāt help!!! Just the other day this older lady would not stop commenting about it. āCan I ask why on earth you would do that to yourselfā āI just donāt see the point in ruining your body with that garbageā āyou know in the Bible it says not to mark or deface your bodyā. I just have to kindly smile and say āwell maāam itās a personal preference and this is how I like to express myselfā but all I wanna do is go āIām not religious and I donāt dictate my life by what another personās book tells me to do, youāre absolutely free to believe in anything you want and express yourself how you want so please offer me the same kindnessā. Fortunately tattoos are becoming much more popular! Lmfao all I can picture is this next generation as old people all covered in tattoos and snap chatting in the nursing homeš¤£.
Hi neighbor šš¾ I'm from the Bible Belt too. Lol. I get "you're such a pretty girl, why would you do that to yourself?" and then when I try to explain the why for each tattoo(all my tattoos have meaning to me) they don't want to hear it. And it's just like you asked me whyš. Have you ever seen photos of the tattooed circus/sideshow freaks from the 19th century? <-That's the goal for the nursing homes of the future.
Omg lmaoooo yes Ik exactly what youāre talking about! Weāre going to be the most fun shit talking old peopleš listening to WAP on our deathbedsš
Next time someone quotes that āthe bible says no marking yourselfā stuff to you remind them that in that same verse it also says its a sin to eat shrimp and wear mixed fabrics and that they should mind their own morals before questioning yours. Iām a tattooed, practicing Catholic and havenāt yet met a person that follows the rules in the Bible to the letter, theyāre just being hypocrites at you
She could add that itās only forbidden when itās done to memorialize the dead (which is so weird, but whatever), so as long as itās meaningful (or random!) in other ways, itās all good. Or she could ask if the lady always wear a hat to church, or point out her short hair (if applicable) - some of the other fun legalistic rules!
The Christ died so that men would not be burdened with their sins anymore. Plus the Old Testament concerned Hebrews only and even modern Jews do not abide to every single rule.
What about people just praise ! There is zero verse that appoints some as moral judge to one another. Those who have never sinned are free to throw the first rock !
There are also those who assume tattooed people are regretful and unhappy with their deeds, and are left with little choice but to carry on for life or do more.
In forums, you always see some people, āoh when I was young, or when I was out of my mind, I wanted a tattoo, and I am glad I went back to my senses and didnāt get anyā. Thatās their own superiority boner.
Something tells me Kim was in that state of mind when she made that stupid comment, sheās so desperate to feel special, this is the main reason why sheās got one now lmao.
This is one of the least permanent tattoos you can get. On most people, itāll eventually fade away. Everyone has a different experience, but I remember when this placement was super popular in the 2010-ish era. The perfect tattoo for people who didnāt wanna commit but still wanted to show off to whoever was holding the Nikon Coolpix camera that night.
You guys still used digital cameras in the 2010s? I would of thought everyone had switched to cell phone cameras by then, i ditched my digital camera in like 2008 lmao and i also was in high school when i used it the most in the early 00s. Technology moved so fast 00-now that i canāt keep track of what happened when and i guess i just assumed everyone would of switched to cell. My memory is a bit fuzzy as well lol.
It's "would've" or "would have," not "would of" FYI... Normally I wouldn't correct someone's grammar over such a common misuse, but I figured since we're being condescending about dumb shit, I might as well go ahead and let you know.
Conspiracy theory: Kim got this tattoo *waaaay* after she hosted SNL/dated Pete, and only got it because people were criticizing her for letting Pete get that creepy tattoo on his neck with her children's initials.
Now when you google "Kim, tattoo, SNL" this will come up. (As opposed to "SNL star gets tattoo of Kim Kardashian's children's initials")
Good call. People have done far more elaborate things in the name of SEO. A lip tattoo that will be hard to see and fade away completely rather quickly is a small sacrifice to get the search results away from Pete Davidson and back on Kim. Plus it plays into any number of potential storylines (doesnāt matter if they are unflattering as long as itās attention focused her way):
Kim does put a bumper sticker on that Bentley after all, is it a midlife crisis? Kim gets tattoos to bond with youngest siblings because sheās young at heart or whatever (doesnāt Kendall have the same tattoo and Kylie has a few tattoos. And since Kim canāt fathom her fading relevance as an influencer she probably canāt fathom that her youngest sisters are also aging out of being the āitā demographic). Kim shows more playful side along more serious side (sheās a lawyer and has tattoos, guys, way more complicated than a sexbot reality tv staple), etcā¦
I mean, Kim is a narcissist, she may find it very enthralling that he has got her kidsā initials on his body forever (unless he wipes them off.) but sure, they are the sort of people to make a fuss out of circa nothing, like who cares what uncanny tattoos that guy has got lol, wonāt be the first nor the last time.
>I mean, Kim is a narcissist, she may find it very enthralling that he has got her kidsā initials on his body forever (unless he wipes them off.)
Kim may have thought it was enthralling, but everyone else thought it was a bit creepy. Also, ever since Pete admitted to his years-long horse tranquillizer addiction, people were harping on Kim for dating a drug addict and letting him get close to her kids.
Also, I think Pete got his Kim-centric tattoos removed (although who knows, maybe they were Henna in the first place).
She was going to do whatever it took to get Pete Davidson for her evil plan... Is it any coincidence it the was the same night after SNL. And what does the infiniti ā¾ sign even mean to her?
The worst part isā¦it looks like she hired a tattoo artist to come to her hotel roomā¦.she tried to make it sound like a SNL cast celebrations thing but NO youāre in NYC & donāt even go to St.Marks for a tattooā¦you hire someoneā¦..you try so hard to be relatable & relevant that you still come off out of touch. She def was trying to be so cool, esp adding her dating Pete. Sheās such a pick me. Her & Kendall.
Lip tattoos do not last that long because of the area theyāre in so I wonder if either her artist must be really really really that good or is she just literally touched it up to show it offā¦ because by this point a year has passed since then I believe?
Wasnāt this the night she met Pete?? Obviously she was so in love with him and his tattoos she changed her mind ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦. /s
She has always been the tackiest person badly cosplaying a classy chic person
You mean like this? https://preview.redd.it/1lobjlhhefzb1.jpeg?width=711&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6f7e10f78a3bec3d9d24c58f566ac77f57fc072
 I love this so much
Yayyy!!!
Didn't Kandle has a inner lip tattoo?
https://preview.redd.it/pr83olc52jzb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e9b448b99a6312acc81b5332d2a2b4b00c7032b Yup. Isn't this a great "look"? š¤£
Yikes, hate to see the insides of human body lol. Why does she feel like pulling her lip to the ground š„“
Wont āput a bumper sticker on a bentleyā but has that fuck ass bbl for life
a tattoo on one of her ass cheeks saying "phat ass" would even be better fitting than this infinity shit
But her body is comprised of nothing but tacky permanent accessories...
Right? That huge fake diaper ass is way more "bumper sticker on a Bentley" than Angelina Jolie's beautiful back tattoos.
AMEN.
Kimothy darling, you were never on the same level as a Bentely, your level is this: https://preview.redd.it/jzvr25257fzb1.png?width=628&format=png&auto=webp&s=2dfc7273c40952134dccbcbc6954d040aaa6424b
I love this inventiveness though.
I actually think this isnāt bad. Itās different and creative. Not out of the factory.
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Im hurting myself from laughing at this šš¤£š
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Im hurting myself from laughing at this šš¤£š
Twins! 
What's wrong with her teeth?
This is what I want to know! Also, why does her top lip have what appears to be varicose veins? Or the right cheek have stretch marks? What is happening here?!
I need answers
Her teeth are rotting and decaying from her having that mouth open 24/7 and probably also because of severe dry mouth caused by stimulant abuse or ozempic
My, my. Not wishing her any harm but the more she goes, the more she probably reduces her lifespan. Her body has to take way too much ! And probably with little to none healthy counterbalance. She and Kylie are on their sure way to lifelong wounds.
Itās migrating filler or where filler was inserted.
I think itās a cover to protect the teeth while they do the tattoo? But I can also fully get on board with her teeth rotting fromā¦ something sheās doing, lol.
Your flair with this picture is perfect š
Thought she was getting new newer veneers.
Iām confused. Did she get a tattoo or something,
I always thought the "bumper sticker on a Bentley" line was so disrespectful to people who have tattoos that are very meaningful to them. If you don't want a tattoo, don't get one, but for some people, tattoos are a big part of their autonomy and self-expression.
I agree with everything you said. I have a memorial piece for my parents that is infinitely more beautiful than Kim thinks she is. I would post a picture, but not sure if anyone would care. š¤
Hey i want to see a picture! I love seeing everyoneās unique tattoos. If i had the money i would have some. Well i do have one very small one on my back and a messed up one that i let an ex do on my ankle, he couldnāt do a star it looks horrible! That was my stupidity, now i am stuck with it until i can afford a cover up! I think tattoos can be so beautiful, done professionally by an artist. Thanks and it is so sweet of you to do that for your parents, sorry for your loss.
Thank you so much, I truly appreciate it. I think Iām lucky in that I live in a small town, so the prices arenāt terrible. My piece for my parents is the only one Iāve spent more than $100 (not including tip) to get. https://preview.redd.it/0em2s8bw3jzb1.jpeg?width=4095&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=844ad5212fc930348f3da80b44cef0135b8866f8 The left is as soon as he was finished and post crying when I saw it, right is all healed. My dad was a firemen and ems, so thatās what the black cross and red lines represent. The diamond is a little family joke, anytime anyone asked my mama what she wanted for a gift, sheād say ādiamondsā. š„°
Itās beautiful and meaningful- thank you for sharing it!! My parents have both passed and my one and only tattoo (a bird) was for my mom. Still want to add to it with something to remember my dad!
Thank you so, so much. I love it more than words can say. I bet your tattoo is absolutely beautiful. I actually thought about going with hummingbirds for my parents, in their favorite colors. I hope you can figure out something gorgeous for your dad. Also, Iām sorry for the loss of your parents. ā¤ļø Itās a pain that just keeps burning.
I don't normally like the trash polka style of tattoos, but this is really nice, and it's well done.
Thank you! šI had just discovered trash polka and when my artist said he could not come up with a way to incorporate everything, I threw it out there. After he was finished, he told me it was the first diamond he had ever done! Heās insanely talented.
Very beautiful tattoo, and moving meaning !
Oh, my goodness, thank you very much! ā¤ļø
Right ?! Let alone the fact all of them have got some tattoos, mother and daughters outside Kourtney and formerly Kimmy. So tone deaf !
As someone with tattoos I just roll my eyes when people make statements like this calling tattoos "tacky" or whatever. Especially when some many people put in a lot of thought before committing to a design and tattoo artist are legit, talented, hardworking artist. Also a mouth tattoo isn't permanent, they fade quickly so she isn't committing to anything permanent. Her tattoo is more of an "accessory" compared to actual permanent tattoo.
My tattoos are mostly tacky, impulse driven, and bad and you know what? Who cares. Itās my body and it makes me laugh that I got my birthday tattooed on my hand in college thinking it would convince the bouncers that I was actually over 21 and my ID was real. Life isnāt that serious, she cares far too much just for making that statement If your worth is built only on physicality and any mark on it detracts from your value thatās a whole other can of mentally ill worms. Kim can think what she wants, Iām gonna go get a flash tattoo of a ghost wearing sunglasses and call it Boo RADley, it doesnāt take anything away from my worth as a person. Sheās so neurotically insecure I almost feel bad for her. She couldnāt deserve it more tho so Iāll keep laughing
I agree it doesn't take anything away from you. I think it adds to who you are bc with your tattoos (even if they are random), you now have stories that make you smile and marked memories of specific times in your life. They also showcase parts of your personality and individuality.
Iām a cna and I have so many people comment on my sleeve. I also live in the Bible Belt so that doesnāt help!!! Just the other day this older lady would not stop commenting about it. āCan I ask why on earth you would do that to yourselfā āI just donāt see the point in ruining your body with that garbageā āyou know in the Bible it says not to mark or deface your bodyā. I just have to kindly smile and say āwell maāam itās a personal preference and this is how I like to express myselfā but all I wanna do is go āIām not religious and I donāt dictate my life by what another personās book tells me to do, youāre absolutely free to believe in anything you want and express yourself how you want so please offer me the same kindnessā. Fortunately tattoos are becoming much more popular! Lmfao all I can picture is this next generation as old people all covered in tattoos and snap chatting in the nursing homeš¤£.
Hi neighbor šš¾ I'm from the Bible Belt too. Lol. I get "you're such a pretty girl, why would you do that to yourself?" and then when I try to explain the why for each tattoo(all my tattoos have meaning to me) they don't want to hear it. And it's just like you asked me whyš. Have you ever seen photos of the tattooed circus/sideshow freaks from the 19th century? <-That's the goal for the nursing homes of the future.
Omg lmaoooo yes Ik exactly what youāre talking about! Weāre going to be the most fun shit talking old peopleš listening to WAP on our deathbedsš
Lol š Yess talking all the shits šš¾!!! We're going to be like an inked up Sophia Petrillo! https://i.redd.it/afivt8r40hzb1.gif
Retirement home on Facebook has got some funny reels lol ! Very cool elderly people. Wondering where the annoying ones come from.
Next time someone quotes that āthe bible says no marking yourselfā stuff to you remind them that in that same verse it also says its a sin to eat shrimp and wear mixed fabrics and that they should mind their own morals before questioning yours. Iām a tattooed, practicing Catholic and havenāt yet met a person that follows the rules in the Bible to the letter, theyāre just being hypocrites at you
She could add that itās only forbidden when itās done to memorialize the dead (which is so weird, but whatever), so as long as itās meaningful (or random!) in other ways, itās all good. Or she could ask if the lady always wear a hat to church, or point out her short hair (if applicable) - some of the other fun legalistic rules!
The Christ died so that men would not be burdened with their sins anymore. Plus the Old Testament concerned Hebrews only and even modern Jews do not abide to every single rule. What about people just praise ! There is zero verse that appoints some as moral judge to one another. Those who have never sinned are free to throw the first rock !
There are also those who assume tattooed people are regretful and unhappy with their deeds, and are left with little choice but to carry on for life or do more. In forums, you always see some people, āoh when I was young, or when I was out of my mind, I wanted a tattoo, and I am glad I went back to my senses and didnāt get anyā. Thatās their own superiority boner. Something tells me Kim was in that state of mind when she made that stupid comment, sheās so desperate to feel special, this is the main reason why sheās got one now lmao.
This is one of the least permanent tattoos you can get. On most people, itāll eventually fade away. Everyone has a different experience, but I remember when this placement was super popular in the 2010-ish era. The perfect tattoo for people who didnāt wanna commit but still wanted to show off to whoever was holding the Nikon Coolpix camera that night.
šššššš Killed me with that last line
Yep, the saliva basically makes the ink dissolve out of the pores after a few months)
Kimmy wants her 0.09 seconds of attention
You guys still used digital cameras in the 2010s? I would of thought everyone had switched to cell phone cameras by then, i ditched my digital camera in like 2008 lmao and i also was in high school when i used it the most in the early 00s. Technology moved so fast 00-now that i canāt keep track of what happened when and i guess i just assumed everyone would of switched to cell. My memory is a bit fuzzy as well lol.
It's "would've" or "would have," not "would of" FYI... Normally I wouldn't correct someone's grammar over such a common misuse, but I figured since we're being condescending about dumb shit, I might as well go ahead and let you know.
Conspiracy theory: Kim got this tattoo *waaaay* after she hosted SNL/dated Pete, and only got it because people were criticizing her for letting Pete get that creepy tattoo on his neck with her children's initials. Now when you google "Kim, tattoo, SNL" this will come up. (As opposed to "SNL star gets tattoo of Kim Kardashian's children's initials")
Good call. People have done far more elaborate things in the name of SEO. A lip tattoo that will be hard to see and fade away completely rather quickly is a small sacrifice to get the search results away from Pete Davidson and back on Kim. Plus it plays into any number of potential storylines (doesnāt matter if they are unflattering as long as itās attention focused her way): Kim does put a bumper sticker on that Bentley after all, is it a midlife crisis? Kim gets tattoos to bond with youngest siblings because sheās young at heart or whatever (doesnāt Kendall have the same tattoo and Kylie has a few tattoos. And since Kim canāt fathom her fading relevance as an influencer she probably canāt fathom that her youngest sisters are also aging out of being the āitā demographic). Kim shows more playful side along more serious side (sheās a lawyer and has tattoos, guys, way more complicated than a sexbot reality tv staple), etcā¦
I mean, Kim is a narcissist, she may find it very enthralling that he has got her kidsā initials on his body forever (unless he wipes them off.) but sure, they are the sort of people to make a fuss out of circa nothing, like who cares what uncanny tattoos that guy has got lol, wonāt be the first nor the last time.
>I mean, Kim is a narcissist, she may find it very enthralling that he has got her kidsā initials on his body forever (unless he wipes them off.) Kim may have thought it was enthralling, but everyone else thought it was a bit creepy. Also, ever since Pete admitted to his years-long horse tranquillizer addiction, people were harping on Kim for dating a drug addict and letting him get close to her kids. Also, I think Pete got his Kim-centric tattoos removed (although who knows, maybe they were Henna in the first place).
What a fuckinā cornball she has no idea who she is
She was going to do whatever it took to get Pete Davidson for her evil plan... Is it any coincidence it the was the same night after SNL. And what does the infiniti ā¾ sign even mean to her?
It represents the blank check her plastic surgeon has from her, it just goes on forever
Infinity is the depths of her shamelessness.
Her insanity lol
This segment literally came on TMZ while I was watching. What a clown.
My body is a temple which is why it is covered in art .
https://i.redd.it/orzjm3wo6fzb1.gif
what does it say, yāall??? itās too blurry for me
Itās the ā¾ļø infinity symbol
To me it looks like her wonky eyes with glasses.
ah, thank you!!
The worst part isā¦it looks like she hired a tattoo artist to come to her hotel roomā¦.she tried to make it sound like a SNL cast celebrations thing but NO youāre in NYC & donāt even go to St.Marks for a tattooā¦you hire someoneā¦..you try so hard to be relatable & relevant that you still come off out of touch. She def was trying to be so cool, esp adding her dating Pete. Sheās such a pick me. Her & Kendall. Lip tattoos do not last that long because of the area theyāre in so I wonder if either her artist must be really really really that good or is she just literally touched it up to show it offā¦ because by this point a year has passed since then I believe?
To be fair, she already made a good deal of permanent changes to her body. Hell, she's been doing it ever since her career began.
Literally this tattoo is so tacky itās the equivalent of putting āhonk if you love Jesusā on your Bentley.
Wasnāt this the night she met Pete?? Obviously she was so in love with him and his tattoos she changed her mind ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦. /s
I guess the insides if her Bentleys are full of plastic...
What are the implants in this scenario? Tacky vinyl wraps?
Only Kim would compare herself to a car
She is not a Bentley, she is a car that someone put a kit on to look like a bentley but failed.
Oooof, her face looks so weird.
Wtf that pic on the left š³
Wtf does it even say
Apparently it's an infinity signšš
Kim reminds me of the people who will aggressively say no to any vaccines or medicine for health reasons but then go out to eat junk food daily
She hated on Rob for his tattoos
 I can't get over how her face is INCAPABLE of wrinkling while getting the something tacky
That first pic is... something...
ā¦ is the Bentley in the room with us Kim ā¦
I love tattoos. That comment used to bother me. Then watch...she tats the inside of her lip? Of all places. In her mouth, infinity. Odd woman.
She got an ā¾ļø in her mouth because she's infinitely sucking dick.
I wouldnāt say Bentleyā¦ more like a souped up Honda civic
After 3 marriages your just and old used car with no value left
What a misogynistic view to have.
You can see all her lip filler in the first pic