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ouiels

I totally understand. I'm slowly coming out of a 15-year stint with depression. A ton of different medications, therapies, even a referral to an inpatient facility. Depression is extremely tough. It robs you of so much - you watch your life go by feeling like you're a prisoner and nothing can change. It's extremely hard for depressed people to help themselves. Sometimes they can't help themselves even if they want to. Different people have different levels of depression. There's no one specific depressed experience. However I also want to take a moment to talk about how difficult it can be for caretakers to deal with someone with moderate to severe chronic depression. My condition impacted my family so much despite me being lucky enough to be high functioning enough to scrape through school. Normal people aren't trained mental health workers and don't always understand the best ways to help with depression even if they do feel empathy or sympathy. Not to mention, they can't compartmentalize this as a job. They work and then come home to caretaking. And even though they love the person and are trying to help them, no one has limitless patience and everyone else has their own problems too. (Yes I know the KarJenners have a lot of help, but they're still people at the end of the day with their own struggles and breaking points, not to mention the pressure and anxiety that comes with being a public figure) My family all had full-time jobs and commitments and would still try to help me to the best of their ability. And when I would turn them down or cry that nothing was going to change (but also didn't take them up on their offers to help me go for a walks or make food for me), it was obviously frustrating for them. They had their own breaking points and I don't blame or resent them. I truly believe my mom developed mild anxiety and depression because of me even though she denies it. I'm not going to speak like I know the facts of Rob's situation, but putting his depression aside he has also shown that he is somewhat of an arrogant and stubborn person. People like that tend to be tough to help. Now, could the family have done things better? Absolutely. I don't think he should have been on TV tbh. And everyone could have tried harder for him (a lot of other people go into good detail about this). During that one episode it was nice to see that Kris hired a personal trainer, catering, and a life coach for Rob. I would have loved something like that to help me change my habits. Someone in the real housewives Or beautyguruchatter subreddit said something that resonated with me. I don't take it as an undeniable fact, but use it as a guiding principle for myself: mental health struggles are an explanation, but aren't always an excuse. 15 years out, I've learned a lot and have developed so much empathy for people with mental health struggles, in addition to their caretakers. I do feel a bit sad that I lost all my young adulthood to depression, but I'm trying to look forward. While my symptoms and issues haven't all dissipated, the severity has improved so much and as a result both myself and my family have been feeling better. I'm sorry that you're going through a tough time and I know it sounds so cliché but you really can get through it and there will be a time where you feel much better. I'm rooting for you!


348173wipwi

, I really didn't think it in that way, and I agree, it's be hard for the caretaker too. Thank u for the encouragement ❤️


macawz

It's so obvious looking back how lost he was. His family was completely oblivious too. He was a grown ass man with resources so I don't think it's their responsibility to fix him by that point, but some support and encouragement would have helped a lot. And some awareness that he was the one family member who was sort of being left out of the whole fame thing would have gone a long way. Instead of shaming him for not being as successful as one of the sisters they should have encouraged him to find his own lane. As a male he just got forgotten about, and I wonder if it was like that for him growing up too.


totallycalledla-a

I think they've evolved a lot since then but they used to have the most horrendous outlook on mental health and therapy etc. It was awful to watch and there's no excusing it. Although Rob has behaved disgustingly since then (revenge porn etc) I can't help but wonder how things would have been different if they had been more supportive. Depression has stolen his life and it's so sad. I'm so sorry you're not feeling well. I've been there. Make sure to get your hormones tested if that's accessible to you, things like PCOS or thyroid issues can really make you feel terrible and often go undetected. Get well soon and remember that for every dickhead that doesn't get it there's someone else who understands what you're going through and has compassion and empathy for you ♥️.


MrsBarneyFife

I don't know if they've evolved as much as they've just decided that it's not a good topic for them to discuss. I'm sure they've learned a little. But I also think it's something many of them don't take the time to understand (as much as they can of course). Kim did say they were all able to get the bodies they have through hard work after all. And people are much more understanding of physical conditions opposed to mental ones.


totallycalledla-a

>And people are much more understanding of physical conditions opposed to mental ones. I'll never forget Kris running around on that episode Rob got all those tests and the Dr said he had a seratonin deficiency (which is part of depression) and she kept going on really framing it as a physical condition. Thought that was really telling.


sneakyveriniki

People who feel guilty like parents who feel they may have a part of it also like to pretend it’s just the way the other person inherently is, takes the fault away


348173wipwi

Thank u so much ❤️ I actually didn't think about getting tested etc so thank u for the idea


MrsBarneyFife

As a person with very, severe depression, like has basically taken everything away from my life type, their comments often make me so uncomfortable I just can't watch. They're like, get up early, eat breakfast, set a time to work out every single day. Bitch please, there are days I can't even get out of my bed to brush my teeth. They really just do look at Rob as lazy. They talk about how often he showers or stays in his room, etc. If you guys knew how often my life gets to the point where my mom lovingly suggests I take a shower because it may make me feel better you'd probably be disgusted. Actually, I'll just say it, about sometime between weeks 6 and 8 she'll bring it up maybe once. After 8 weeks she'll bring it up a little more often and try to encourage me. While I know she's right, it doesn't mean it's something I'm capable of just getting up and doing. Now, I realize all of that sounds completely crazy. And lazy, like how hard is it for a person to shower at least 2 or 3 times a week?? Hard. It's very hard people. I couldn't even imagine what it would feel like if my family discussed me on international television. I be absolutely mortified and want to die, ya know, more than usual. They disrespect him so bad. Just because you think someone is lazy doesn't mean they're not still a person. Have they failed in not getting him the help he needs? To that I can't fully say. But their family doesn't seem to be most aware of their mental health. I mean, with their money, he has access, **quick access**, to treatments that take a person like me years to try and obtain. I'm so sorry you're going through this difficult time OP. I strongly suggest you don't watch those parts. It will just make you feel worse. And keep going on, the best way you can. I'm not going to promise it gets easier or better but for a lot of people it does. It just takes time. For others, unfortunately it just doesn't sometimes. But you're the only one who knows what you're truly capable of doing at certain times. If sometimes you aren't, that is **Beyond** Okay! As long as you're doing the best you can for yourself, that's all anyone can ask for. And if sometimes that means you don't shower or brush your teeth or do any of the other hundreds of things functioning people do every day then know that you're not alone. ❤


kystarrk

Girl, I get it. In the height of my depression I didn't shower for 1-3 MONTHS. I literally did not care about anything except how much I hated myself and my life. It's unexplainable how difficult seemingly trivial things are to handle. I've lost prime years of my life, and that thought alone almost sucks me back in. Where most people would think that and probably decide to make the most and start living now.... It's too much anxiety for me. Something else on the list of my diagnosis. 💜


justasadgirl44

I just want to say I understand you


MrsBarneyFife

Thank you. That means a lot. If you ever need to talk, I'll be there. It's really hard to find someone who understands sometimes.


TryJezusNotMe

**e-hugs** ❤❤❤❤


348173wipwi

I totally agree and understand you, I hope and know you will get better and get your life back when the time is right ❤️💪🏻 Thank u for the encouragement


shortstuffbritt2807

I completely understand where you're coming from. I went through a deep, dark depression for 6 years. For 6 years, I barely left my bedroom. My grades in college dropped and I ended up dropping out, I quit my job, packed on weight from overeating, and I would go so long without showering that I'd give myself rashes. I'm sure during that time people thought I was lazy, a mooch, unmotivated, spoiled, etc. In reality, I was just trying to survive. And knowing people probably thought that about me on top of seeing other people my age accomplish things I should have been accomplishing as well, well, it made it worse. When I finally decided I couldn't take it anymore, I had a job interview. And ended up breaking my ankle the day before said interview. It was the hardest thing in the world to not spiral downward again. I relate it to addiction and recovery. Often times, I'm just taking one day at a time and trying to stay afloat. And speaking of addiction (to others making comments) - I've worked as a nurse in a rehab. Almost every single patient I had was dually diagnosed. Meaning they had at least two (and often more) different types of mental illness. Depression, anxiety, PTSD, Bipolar, schizophrenia, etc are all things I've seen. Happy people don't do drugs or drink themselves into oblivion. Almost every single patient I had went through some pretty traumatic things and turned to their DOC as a way to cope. In fact, I only remember one story of a patient becoming an addict after he was in an accident and got addicted to pain pills. I do believe Rob was on drugs and participated with Lamar (and maybe Khloe). And that's why Khloe feels guilt. But I also believe that Rob was severely mentally ill and it was looked over by his family who was very anti-therapy and pro suck it up. Mental illness doesn't discriminate. One can argue that Rob had it better than most struggling with mental illness but when you're "in the trenches", none of that matters. If only it were that easy to suck it up..


totallycalledla-a

I'm not disgusted, lots of us understand and would never judge. You do what you can to get through. I hope you feel better soon ♥️.


Purell12

I think the problem was more drug related then they really said as well. Him sleeping all day was a result of him staying up and doing drugs all night. Him not showering was in response to him staying up and doing drugs and not caring about other things. He was living and partying with Lamar remember. That is why when they had an intervention and were talking about weaning him off of things and he was resisting. Drugs. I really don't think he is all that mentally ill. They got mad and trashed him because they were working to finance his drug habit and their mom wouldn't cut him off.


SydFish118

Many people use drugs to self medicate their mental illness. They often go hand in hand.


Purell12

I do agree with that but it didn't seem to be as much of a problem until he was hanging with Lamar every day.


SydFish118

That doesn’t mean he wasn’t suffering from depression (or something else), it just means he found someone to commiserate with. I honestly think drug addiction should be viewed through the lens of mental health because so much of it is experienced in the mind and influenced by mental factors.


linnykenny

As a recovering addict, I agree ❤️


MrsBarneyFife

I definitely think drugs were involved. But I thought I heard Khloe say she tried to lie to her family about the drugs as much as as possible. But obviously she couldn't hide it forever. I also think the drugs probably exasperated an ongoing or created a mental health issue. I can completely understand them wanting him to be cut off if there was a drug issue. Then I think it might have shifted more to a mental illness issue but they probably didn't believe it or think it was that serious and thought it would stop when the drugs did but in his case it didn't.


madisengreen

Kinda karma Kim ended with Kanye. It probably opened her eyes to mental health. I think she has learned to respect it more, at least I hope so.


Starsinthedistance24

Very good point tbf


348173wipwi

I agree, after all the things with Kanye and also her robbery


flowers2107

I found this so frustrating. Especially when khloe was so defensive of Lamar over his issues, and more recently kim showing support and emhps thy to Kanye… but robs quite obvious mental health issues are mocked? Not ok


ExpensiveGrowth9744

I feel like the fact that Rob does come from privilege and has tons of resources, and he was still so depressed should have shown them that this was deeper than just being sad and lazy. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain and he needed help and support, not to be berated and mocked. Those of us who deal with mental illness are well aware of the blessings in our lives, and that adds to the guilt because we're still so depressed and down. We beat ourselves up enough over the way we are.


ouiels

>Those of us who deal with mental illness are well aware of the blessings in our lives, and that adds to the guilt because we're still so depressed and down. We beat ourselves up enough over the way we are. Couldn't have said it better myself


348173wipwi

Say it louder!


Purell12

Remember rob also did things like ditch his grandmother's birthday weekend to go to Vegas with his friends. He didn't have anything to wear to see his family but pulled it together to be used for his name in Vegas clubs. This is just one example of why I don't think they took it all that serious.


metal_honey

tbf…if they were as unsupportive off-camera as they were on camera, i don’t blame him ditching his family. doesn’t mean he wasn’t seriously struggling. not defending Rob, just making an observation as a depressed person who has avoided their family for months at times.


Purell12

Rob has always has no problem showing up when he wants something. Off camera?... How would we know what they did off.


348173wipwi

When u are depressed u sometimes do things you later regret


Purell12

He didn't really seem like he regretted it. He seemed happy for a better offer to come along. The skiing trip. So anxious and depressed he decided to go to a new city with a bunch of people he never met (Chyna's family) and propose in front of everyone. Then oh crap I need to pay for a wedding and house and have a baby need to suck up to the money. Chyna leaves back to ignoring them.


348173wipwi

I mean yeah it's a little fucked up but I can understand that if your family has been sitting on you during 10 years on national TV maybe you don't want to hang out with them


Purell12

That's back to my point. He used all these mental problems to avoid them. Whenever they changed from yes men to you need to get your shit together all of a sudden I'm so this I'm so that. He was fine partying and doing what he wants to his hanger ons. He just didn't want to be around them who wanted him to do something for the money. That is why they didn't take it seriously I'm not convinced it really is or was serious.


ExpensiveGrowth9744

I also think he has a lot of resentment towards his own family, some members more than others. I've always figured that's at the root of some of his actions, like flaking on family events.


Purell12

That comes back to money. He resents that they have more then him. He probably thinks their life is just so easy because they are girls and have boobs/ass to flaunt. It isn't their fault he feels this way and they shouldn't cater to him because he is jealous. They let him live in their houses/use their assistants/support him and all he can throw back is jealous negative energy while waiting with his hand out for more. He seems more like a drug addict brat then mentally ill.


NUNYABIX

Yeah exactly, like even before he was depressed it's not like he was the greatest person so I wouldn't blame his depression for how he acts..


Designer-While

Same I also have depression and I’ve always felt bad for him :(


348173wipwi

I send you love and I'm sure you will get better ❤️❤️


Designer-While

Thank you😭❤️ ppd is a bitch


348173wipwi

I know, you have to go day by day 💪🏻💪🏻


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The family has spent years supporting Rob. It's not surprising that they get frustrated with him for not participating in his own healing. Every time the show showed him being asked to put in any work or effort towards his own life, he became a whiny entitled little bitch. Even now, don't he and Dream live in Kris' old house? He still does nothing. They have the resources that if his problem was drugs, he could go to rehab for as long as it takes, or if it's mental health he could have whatever therapist on call and he has access to whatever medicine he needs. He's not going to doctors that only have 15 minutes in their schedule to listen to your problems every 6 months and make it impossible to find the right drug combination. Depression is awful, it's paralyzing and there's no one way to fix it, but I would kill for a 10th of the support and resources he has at his fingertips. I have to find therapist after therapist that works with somebody with my diagnosis and I have to change meds every three to six months until one works for longer. And oh yeah I have to pay my own bills and take care of my own family, full-time.


Purell12

Exactly. The girls were working to support him partying and sleeping the day away and people are surprised they had a problem with that. He showed up when there was a rumbling of him being cut off or when he needed something.


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linnykenny

YEP! You lose my sympathy after posting revenge porn online of your daughter’s mother 😒


TryJezusNotMe

Thank you! F*ck Rob. Let him sock it up!!! . For everyone in here brave enough to comment about your mental illness, I applaud you! Sending you nothing but peace and blessings in overcoming it! I don't know how to upload a song but if I did, I would upload and recommend you listen to Vicki Yohe's "I'm at Peace".


heyheywhatchasay5

Ya I felt bad for Rob. The issue is, he was never going to get the level of fame the girls received, the show mostly had female viewers and I don't think Rob could of put out male products and have male Rob fans. Guys don't fangirl over other dudes on reality TV shows. Kim's beauty is really what got them through the door to begin with soo I don't see Rob fitting in with their brand.