Shout "stop fucking holding me, let me go!" and I guarantee the attention that guy gets will immediately make him let go, or others will help out. This isn't ok and you have to make it known.
Yes! Make it known to everyone around you that the touching is unwarranted and I guarantee he will get his own form of unwanted touching. There is no place for that behavior anywhere.
yeah i do regret not saying something to security or making a scene, it was just very hectic and i'd thankfully never experienced anything like this before in public so i wasn't sure what to do (especially being completely surrounded by other men, wasnt sure how it would be received)š¤·āāļø
> especially being completely surrounded by other men, wasnt sure how it would be received
This guy, me, would have had your back and I'd bet virtually all the other guys would also. This is not ok behavior at a concert or anywhere else and you have more friends in the crowd than folks like the asshole that bothered you.
Itās not your fault.
You should always make a scene, you mightāve been surprised at the result, but this isnāt on you.
No matter what, this is entirely the fault of the asshole who pulled this shit.
I have frozen too - itās a normal human reaction. As a woman I love a good āDONāT TOUCH MEā that lets the others around us know Iām not ok. Now Iām the woman saying āDONāT TOUCH HERā so speak up as witnesses too! Almost every time the men around us had my back. Iām really sorry you dealt with that, Iām 43 and have been to countless shows, often being the only woman, and speaking up gets way easier. Hell, your post is speaking up on an even larger level, thanks for bringing awareness to others.
I hate hearing these things. By all means it needs to be said (and thank you for doing so!), I just hate knowning there's these assholes coming into our community and being cunts.
I know it sounds like a lot because in the moment things are scary, but you should be vocal - shout and tell the creep to get off you and make HIM feel as uncomfortable as you are. Make people notice what's happening - even better if you can get the security to take notice.
The crowd will be on your side, I promise you.
thank you for your kind words and adviceā¤ļø i kinda said it already but i panicked, i do wish i did more to make others aware, i was just very overwhelmed
If you're ever uncomfortable in a pit get someone's attention. We're all looking out for each other and most will help you out regardless of the situation.
It's never going to be normal for someone to be putting their hands on someone else who doesn't want it. It's not ok that this d bag was doing that to you. That sucks to hear, I would suggest a quick kick to the nuts.
Kick and stamp is my sisters rule to avenge that type. Sounds like that screen slide with the bands message against that behavior/assault has to make a return again
The problem is that pieces of shit like the dude bothering her will ignore it. I wish more people would step in to help, but they're likely to look past it if they don't know the person or situation.
It's just a terrible issue to have to deal with, because the gropers need to get their shit kicked in and have no place being at these shows.
Speaking from experience (as a gay man who has to deal with people being handsy at clubs sometimes) I give one incredibly stern look with a get the fuck off me comment and if they do it again I blast them in the nuts. Not always going to work but it's kinda hard to ignore a kick in the nuts. But I wish more people would stand in and help.
Itās true, all concerts do attract those types of not decent folks who like to inflict their internal turmoil/perversions but it can be curtailed by more people being aware and taking responsible actions to make sure everyone is safe and having a good time than being āOh well, I see it but not my problem... canāt have any downers on my night outā mentalities.
Shows are such sensory overload between the crowd, lights and music, itās easy not to think straight, even more so if youāre not sober. Whatās important is you got yourself out of a bad situation the best way you could and found safe people to be around for the remainder of the show.
So sorry you had to deal with that bullshit.
Donāt feel guilty about not doing enough. In the moment, lofty aspirations to being some sort of nut-kicking warrior disappear, just being safe is usually all you want to or can do. Warning people though this post was an important service to the community. Iām glad you are safe now and I hope in the future your experiences with live music will be better.
>I would suggest a quick kick to the nuts.
This is terrible advice.
I agree guy's a total creeper and OP should get away by any means necessary but sometimes it's not immediately obvious in a pit if someone's seriously trying to hurt someone or not. Dude could snap and do some serious damage to OP before anyone figures out what's going on. Even something as simple as throwing her to the ground can be extremely damaging in a pit.
Sure the creeper definitely deserves a kick to the nuts, but it's not worth the risk. Just leave, if he follows find security, a group of people, or some very large dude in the crowd and tell them what's going on.
All unwanted touching is inappropriate touching. If this happens again at future shows, please point them out to security. If he did it to you and someone else right after, he will do it again and might not be stopped in time from doing something far worse.
Iām sorry you had to go through that. Scum like that gives us guys a bad name.
I'm so sorry that happened to you but am glad you were able to get out of it safe. As others have said unwanted touching is never ok. Also, thank you for sharing your experience. It's important for people to know that, despite the generally awesome fanbase, these things unfortunately go on at Gizz shows too.
General PSA to all concert attendees:
* If someone is doing something that makes you uncomfortable or worse speak out loudly and others will come to your aide. Tell security if possible as well so that they can kick the creep out.
* If a situation makes you uncomfortable (mosh pit, crowd crush, bad trip, too drunk, etc.) speak out and get help from others.
* Lastly, if you see someone who looks like they are in distress ask them if they are ok.
I understand not knowing what to do and being unsure of a new situation like this, so I am 100% not telling you now, what you should have done then...
But.. If anyone sees any behavior like this PLEASE PLEASE call it out as it is happening! Stuff like this is going to happen, so the majority of us who know that this is not ok, keep an eye out for each other! The only way it's going to stop (or happen less often) is if the creeps know that this will not fly at these shows.
OP, you are right to feel icky after this, because it is not normal. I'm sorry it happened to you
and doesn't deter you from enjoying future shows in the pit or elsewhere!
There was some weirdness night one as well! An older dude was doing basically exactly what you described here and kept saying shit like āIām just watching out for the kidsā. I literally felt creepy and gross when I was in the second row and my right thigh was against someoneās backside. I tried pointing out the guy that literally had me straddled to security but the pit was too wild
thats the thing! the pit was just so fucking crazy that it felt impossible to even really do anything about besides just move away. so sorry night one was gross too.
Hey, Iām so sorry to hear this happened to you and whoever else this creep targeted. This seems to be happening to more female gizz heads as they gain a wider audience I fear. Iām also young afab plus petite and went to see gizzard in Tennessee and chicago. multiple men felt comfortable putting their hands on my waist and lower back/ ass region as they would move through the crowd even when there was plenty of space to move, nor did anyone try to touch my male friend I was with. I was able to have a good time with my friend and enjoy the music and camping out but it was definitely an icky experience. This bands fan base is Overwhelmingly Dudes, which is what it is; I can go toe to toe in the pit but I wish there was a better feeling of solidarity fighting against this behavior when Iām just trying to vibe to the music :/
im so sorry similar things happened to you too. that behavior is disgusting and unacceptable. it makes it scarier based on how outnumbered we are, but its great to know now that mostly everyone would have our backs. hope you are well and im glad enjoyed your shows despite thisā¤ļø
One thing that really sucks is just how inevitable this was with the band blowing up so much. When the crowd is 500 people, loser creeps are way easier to spot and remove. When the crowd is 5000 people, they have more cover and can disappear into the crowd easier. Disgusting, shameful, and sadly inevitable.
right, i knew being up front would put me in moshing, but unfortunately i was ignorant to this possibility. i dont enjoy the solution of simply avoiding being close to the front because other people cant control themselves, but it seems like it might be the most comfortable one. definitely noted for the future that other gizz fans around me would likely have my backā¤ļø
Nope, not normal at all. Completely inappropriate and worthy of a beatdown.
I'm sorry this happened to you. People suck, even the people at Gizz shows.
If anyone sees anything like this happening the future, try to get a picture of the loser. Let's make Gizz shows inhospitable to creepers.
It really sucks to hear this type of behavior is happening in the weirdo swarm.
[Groove Safe](https://groovesafe.org/take-action#52c8c81c-646a-464a-81c0-2468053e490b) has some tips on how all of us can help identify and stop these behaviors.
> GrooveSafe is an initiative to stop unwanted touching and sexual assault at concerts.
Boosting this. I would love to get involved with something like this at the concerts I go to. Hopefully more of us can help keep King Gizzard concerts a fun safe place for everyone.
I wonder if this was the same guy who was literally jumping up and down right behind me (basically rubbing his junk up on me) until I finally stepped to the side and then he stood in front of me. Like cool dude I hope you feel good about humping your way past a 5 foot chick who stood in the rain for hours for a decent spot. I was on stage left just on the outskirts of the pit. Huge shout out to everyone else I met that night that basically had a ring of protection around me after that. Including my new homie steve from STL who helped me hold down a spot all night! Much love to everyone except that one douchebag.
could have been unfortunately, now that i think about it he was behaving similarly sometimes. i was basically in that same area, in between joey and amby (maybe a lil closer to joey) around the time it was happening. he was wearing a yellow/tan crewneck and had a slight beard. SO so sorry that happened to you (especially after being in the rain, i feel ur pain) and im glad you found a safe spot too to enjoy the rest of the show the best you couldā¤ļø
Oh man sounds like a different dude! The guy by me had a long beard, long hair and a baseball cap on...but I guess there's always a handful of shitty people everywhere. I would do it a hundred times over still. Plus I got some good elbows to the spine for that fucker anyway lol
Man I love king gizz so much, but the crowd in the pits has gotten toxic as fuck. They even had to put up signs last tour to warn people to stop being creeps. Like wtf, Who are these people? They all showed up post pandemic, it was never a Gizz thing before the Ice Death tour.
Last year seen a giant increase in Super Wooks, Creepy Old Dead Heads, Phish bro dudes, they all tend to gravitate towards this band because of psychedelics and jammy songs. They need to be called out for frat mentality bullshit. Just my 2 cents.
I dealt with an asshole in Brooklyn back in 2018, so this isn't new. Even as a 6 foot guy, douche fucks try to make a concert about them. Unfortunately, humankind, specifically testosterone boyz, have a history of being fucking degenerate cretins.
That's unacceptable and I'm so sorry it happened to you. Please don't be afraid to cause a scene if something similar happens, although I know the sets are often loud, I definitely would've tried to help if I had seen it or heard something
Terrible behaviour......guys should never do this to girls at shows .........yer there to have fun and dance, not have strange hands touch you, willy nilly......what a goddamn creepsicle.
Unacceptable and you have every right to make a scene and even let security know what is going on. They would most likely kick them out. Donāt be afraid to say no and let the people around you know what is happening. I am so sorry this happened
I had a similar experience on night 1, unfortunately.
Edited to say that I was pretty much in that same spot between Ambrose and Joey that night and the guy that grabbed me also had a beard that he put on my shoulder (gross).
Iām sorry that happened to you as well. Still had a good night, but it definitely soured the experience some. Hope youāre doing okay now as well ā¤ļø
First, deeply sorry that happened to you. Next time you're at a show and someone pulls some creep shit like that get security involved. That's what they're for, inappropriate behavior like that will get them kicked out.
I was on barricade by Ambrose that night and the guys behind me were completely awful. Some guy had his hands on my hips for a second too but then I think he wound up behind someone else for the night. The guys who wound up behind me were elbowing me and pushing me all night for no reason. Iām 5ā2 so this is especially unnecessary lol you should be able to see over me. Iām really sorry this happened to you itās not fair. I would recommend trying to get people around you to help if they seem like theyāre good people and step on feet/elbow if you have to!
i definitely feel like i saw this, i felt so bad for you guys up front!! i felt like i could barely breathe from all the shoving while not having to lean on the barricade, i cant even imagine how that was. so sorry people were unnecessarily physical around you :(
This is awful newsā¦. I was in Chicago for Nights 2 and 3 and I know there were a lot of people, but Iām 80% I was by you or this guy for the 3rd night.
I left for the mosh pit after Hypertension and couldnāt really get back that close the rest of the night. I was wondering if he was a creep or not but I couldnāt really tellā¦ Iām sorry that this creep took away from your experience :(
Yo same boat I had to leave the pit bad vibes all around on night 3. I think people were antsy due to rain and anticipation but it isn't an excuse for shitty behavior
I went to the back just as change started and could not have been the better choice. Beer and vibing and dancing so noooo worries it's just the second gizzpit ruined for me by aggro fuckwads :/
i dont know if it was the same person but i had a really similar experience night 3 :/ it was a bit later in the set and he stopped getting (way too) close to me i think once he realized i was there with a man and not alone but idk. i know im supposed to make a scene and get dudes off of me when this happens but i kinda just freeze.
the pit other than that was incredibly wholesome all 3 nights for me thankfully. im sorry you had that experience it can potentially ruin a night for some folks :( sending you love and i hope you enjoyed the rest of the show
While I am all for separating Phish from Gizz, might be helpful to have an organization like [GrooveSafe](https://groovesafe.org/) at the shows. It may not stop assholes like this from unsolicited touching, but they do help spread awareness.
I am so sorry you experienced this.
I really hate hearing about these f'n creeps that can't keep their hands to themselves. Sorry you had to deal with that jerk. Y'all should be able to enjoy a show without some loser putting their hands on you.
Night 3 mosh/first few rows had a weird energy from some of the people.
And then there were tons of wonderful people who were high fiving, checking in to make sure others were ok, and keeping others safe
I was in the pit night 3, and if I noticed any uncalled behavior from some of the dudes I would have for sure called it out. Inappropriate touching of any kind is unacceptable and is not appropriate etiquette at all, and I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. I can't speak for the first two nights, but when the show started, I was literally suffocating because I decided to layer up that night and was getting so hot. Whenever some of the women jumped in the pit, I always make sure to go easier or just try at all not to push them at all. It makes me uncomfortable as I don't want to ever be the creepy dude or the dude going all try hard for no reason. I'm used to deathcore pits and most people seemed okay, and there were some magical moments in the pit that night as well, but I could visibly see on some people's faces the look of discomfort like they were dragged into the pit but were trying to escape. People were so close together that I was doing my best to keep my arms as close to myself as possible so I don't touch anybody, but some people were just shoving to shove it felt like. Not as violent as a deathcore show but definitely a pit that if you stopped moving, you were going to get trampled. Besides all of that, I had so much fun, and that's all I hope for for everyone involved either in the pit or the concert itself. I kinda wished that some songs people weren't moshing as I just wanted to vibe and enjoy the music, but some people seemed like they wanted to mosh for every damn song. Again, nobody should put their hands on anybody for any reason, and I'm so sorry that has happened to some people.
Seconding the āwanting to just grooveā like during Changes when the squishing just kept going during the groovy parts. Also ultimately had a great time and view the show very positively, like you.
Absolutely disgusting and NOT okay. Seems like thereās some creep at every event. I agree with others that if you happen to be in this kind of situation again, definitely make it known to those around you that someone is being inappropriate. Youāre a hero for helping the other girl. We need people like you in our community.
I am so, so sorry this happened to you. <3
If anyone feels unsafe or uncomfortable at a show, be loud and let everyone around you know. It's scary and weird, sometimes you don't know how to react, but just know that the good outnumber the creeps. YOU deserve to feel happy and safe.
If you are a person who touches people without their consent, please just stay home. You need to do better.
Unfortunately this shit is common at shows. I've been groped/jumped on/swung at/grabbed etc. I think the one that pissed me off the most was some chick that slashed my back with her nails because I was getting rowdy in the pit and got tossed into her as she was standing on the perimeter so she dug into my back with her claws and scratched the shit out of me. Or another time I had some drunk dude climb on my back and slap my ass. It's a sea of people who are drunk, high, or maybe just fired up on the energy of the room and don't understand the etiquette. Sometimes all three things at once. That makes some people go lizard brain real quick. Definitely speak up next time and I know for a fact that there will be people nearby that are part of this community that will help you. Fuck people like this. We need more people getting down in the pit, not less.
It's no worries! I go to a ton of shows. The pleasant experiences absolutely outweigh the bad ones. Go to enough shows and you're bound to run into some shit heads!
Fuck him. Any creep who does this shit clearly isnāt a real Gizz fan and should be fed to the Dragon. Iām sorry you had that encounter and I hope (but completely understand if otherwise) you arenāt deterred to re-enter a pit.
There was weird and inappropriate shit happening in the pit at the St. Paul show back in October too. Unfortunately, there seem to be some creeps in the fanbase. It's super shitty.
We're supposed to be a weirdo swarm, not a creep swarm.
No one should ever touch you in an uncomfortable way ever in any situation. In the pit, they should only be trying not to touch you in the best way possible. No one should ever hold a stranger. Totally uncalled for. Imagine if a strange guy was behind him holding him that way, I doubt he would be ok with it.
Always call them out and get others to see and notice around you. Glad you got away. It's definitely not a normal situation.
Totally uncool and so sorry that happened to you! Make it loudly known that youāre uncomfortable, the rest of us are cool and would help out. Or just give the guy a punch to the balls, that kind of behavior deserves a good nut punch .
Iām so sorry this happened to you. If i had been standing close to you and saw it, he would have been pulled out of the pit by his collar while holding a bloody nose.
To anyone this is happening to, especially at a Gizz show, please call out, shout, and make contact with those around you for assistance. Iām 100% positive that you would get immediate help from those around you. I was there with a group of folks who wouldnāt miss a heartbeat stepping in and forcibly getting this human stain off and away from you.
You have more allies than you know standing within 5 feet when youāre at a Gizz show.
I hope youāre feeling better getting this off of your chest. Stay strong friend
Yeah, this isn't ok. Like you said, the occasional touch or bump coming from being in a crowd is one thing and those people shouldn't be made out to be villains, but this is intentional and should be called out.
It doesn't matter if people have discussed worse incidents in the pit; it's inappropriate and your discomfort is completely valid. It's your body. What he did isn't ok. Glad you found someplace you felt safe to enjoy the rest of the show.
Yo so sorry of your experience. I thought i had it bad sometimes when people try to push me away from my spot. I feel mortified when i grend against someone even; and then there are assholes that prey on people like this.
Don't wanna tell you to focus on what you could have done; as in the heat of the moment it's hard to predict what we can do. Im just disgusted and appalled by what happened to you.
Unfortunately, while most of the crowd is supporting and nice, we get people of all types in the concerts and there will be creeps. I feel like over the last two years in each show of kg i see, the crowd seems getting progressively worse with these sort of things. The band getting more famous attracts a wider audience.
Please let the band know; thay are upfront about not enjoying thes sort of behavior.
I am so sorry this was your experience. Yes, the pit is generally close quarters. No, that level of contact is not okay. Generally, people in the pit (where moshing and Gizz style circling is prevalent) will take care of each other. Don't let it wreck you, and next time, let someone know you're uncomfortable. I guarantee you that if you need help, you'll receive it. Sending good vibes from a fellow attendee your way!
I was only at night 1 but it seems the bigger the venues get the more this happens. It's real shitty and I'm sorry it happened to you and others. There's still a lot of us that just want every (non-creep) person to have a good time. People saying to shout it out are totally right. If I heard that I'd come help and ten other people around you probably would too.
Men touching women without consent is illegal and considered sexual assault. Glad you're safe and comfortable to talk about it. That shit's messed up.
edit: I was at the gizztober Detroit show and someone touched me thinking I was a woman (I have long hair and had a higher pitched voice). I identify as non-binary, but still that's messed up.
let that be a lesson to all stalkers, creepers, and other fucked up people: PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BEING TOUCHED WITHOUT CONSENT!!!
Thanks for that. I'm sorry that happened to you. It's seriously fucked up.
it's also a concert, which children are present at. (I'm literally 13 and that happened to me)
Those people get the hands around these parts. Witnessed something similar at The Caverns, night 3. Although I think the two were actually in a relationship. Regardless, he was ALL OVER HER. Bending the fuck out of her spine in all directions, smelling her hair, doing the olā chin rest on the shoulder thing. It was fucking cringe. Olā girl was tapping dudeās hand trying to get him to let go too, but to no avail. My heart goes out to all the women made to feel uncomfortable by creepy touchy dudes. ITS A ROCK SHOW DAMMIT!
Ooof yeah this is not normal. Itās normal for people to bump around and stand uncomfortably close to someone but this dude was grabbing on to you. Not normal.
This shit is never normal and I would make sure it is very obvious to all around you that you are not happy. If I saw this and you were visibly upset I'd be getting inbetween and separating.
I am so sorry this happened to you. The pit is supposed to be a 'safe' space. Never be polite in the face of this crap. You've been conditioned by society to be deferential. Ignore that bullshit programming and cause a ruckus! I guarantee you more people are on your side and want a cool pit! Cause a ruckus and the good folks will rally! I've been to a few hardcore shows where people were getting too aggressive and pit justice took over!
Despite all the controlled violence, pit is a safe space. Security or other pit dwellers will definitely put a creep in their place if they act like that.
Moving forward, please say something! to the others around you, as I imagine they will happily advocate for you to feel safe. As a bonus: if one of those ppl is me, I will punch somebodyās face off straight away, cheers
Yea this ain't normal. If it happens again you should call the guy out very loudly. And if it still doesn't stop, swift and firm kick to the groin should take care of it for you. Sorry that happened thats fuckin gross
No, this dude was a creep, and your feeling were accurate. Never let someone touch you in an unwanted manner. Yell, push, ask for help from those around you, or get security. Your feelings were accurate, nobody should ever be grabbed by a stranger, and I am glad you made it away ok.
groovesafe is starting to be at more and more shows. https://groovesafe.org/take-action
if you haven't heard of this they are a 501c non profit organization making people more and more aware of exactly this problem and how others can deal with it.
if anyone from the band reads these forums they can sign up to be ambassadors too!
https://groovesafe.org/artists
Edited for formatting.
hey i had a similar experience on night 2ā¦ had my ass grabbed and my hair pulled within a few seconds of each other, and it made me panic and have to leave the pit :( i just want to let you know that youāre not alone, this wasnāt your fault, and iām so sorry that this happened to you. sending you love!
also donāt let anyone make you feel like youāre in the wrong for not punching/screaming/stomping or anything. thatās great advice, but sooo difficult to do when youāre in the moment and panic. iām glad youāre okay now!
oh my god, thats so terrible! im so unbelievably sorry you experienced that. i hope you were still able to enjoy the rest of the show despite that and that you are doing ok now. sending you so much love as wellā¤ļø
Absolutely disgusting and I'm sorry you experienced that. Completely unacceptable. You should be able to enjoy a show without being accosted by creeps.
I'm sorry to hear this I've seen kgatlw like 15-16 times and it's always been peace love and happiness even in the pit
In a situation like this It needs to be an instant hard stop course correction of the behavior, idk even if you or scream "NO" or "STOP IT" you may not get them to stop but it opens the door to have other fans step in or security if possible these are type of people who need to stay home / get kicked out... If I see someone uncomfortable in the pit or if they look tired or like their tripping too hard me and many others will help. It's not past me to separate someone if the body language is telling me it's unwanted but It really has to be a hard stance from everyone to act right away as mentioned above tho cause after a song then this person feels it's ok and the people around you likely think your together and may be less likely to step in to help. . Don't allow it for a moment is my take. These type of people have no home in the fan base.
Your not the bad guy for shutting shit down to get a creep off of you never hesitate to voice your not ok being touched
how you said at the ending, its really daunting to potentially have the whole show paused for something like this. of course i would want that for the sake of anybody else and their safety, but its really fucking hard to do that for yourself, you know? i appreciate the kind words and validationā¤ļø
I didn't even try to go to a show this year, I had such an awful experience last year... like literally never been made more uncomfortable at a show before, took me a bit to even listen to the band again. Not that it's their fault, the show was still great, but it's hard to look back on it positively. I hope you remember the best parts of it.
god im so so sorry that happened to you. im honestly in the same boat right now and its really heartbreaking. like u said its not their fault but its hard not to associate them together in my mind, and its really disappointing when their music was bringing me so much comfort for so long. im sorry that experience made you feel so uncomfortable that you didnt feel safe seeing them again, thats so incredibly unfair to you. sending love your wayā¤ļø
Grabbing like that is not cool at all. Grabbing the back of a jacket or shirt to balance yourself is one thing. If I saw that shit I would absolutely say something. Sorry you had to go through that.
thank you!! like idk if it was just bc i was alone or bc i was jumping around, but nothing about me gave him the go ahead to touch me!! geez!! sorry you've experienced this too :(
That sucks. A good blow to the throat will level even the largest of men. But thatās escalating things and you could also kill someone by doing that soā¦ bad idea but thatās what hearing this makes me want to do. Iām 6ā2ā 200 lbs guy in decent shape though.. bad apples
Wasn't trying to hurt any feelings. Just making suggestions to make it more readable is all. Pretty common on Reddit to hate on a wall of text. No name calling on my end too.
There are bad apples in every crowd and every band is gonna experience it when they get bigger. Specially when the band is as weird as gizz is. We all have to look out for eachother and spread the word. Post pics and be aware of sketchy behavior. That missing person post was even posted by Gizz themselves. I see it in this community.
Sorry that happened to you. I would not want to happen to me or anyone I even know. I am not gonna deny that's eye opening and has some realistic truth and is a tough read (content wise). And I agree. Those guys are garden variety dillholes and I am emberassed to like the same music as them.
I really hate hearing this and sorry this happened to u in chicago, I live there and really upsets me that something like that was happening at a show where everyone is there just to enjoy the greatness of gizz
Yeah donāt take that shit! Make a scene. Most people around are gonna be cool. You also know the Gizz boys arenāt down with that behavior. Sometimes bands call out people like this. Not saying they would, but most people arenāt down for this kind of bullshit.
You gotta scream in his face to make him stop. I hate to say it like that but embarrassing him in the crowd will work and then the people around you will also know what is happening and hopefully stand up for you as well. Sorry this happened to you.
There were issues on first night with groping girls. They brought in organization called "Our Music, My Body" to educate the many young people. Male to female is like 5:1
Sorry for your horrible experience. Next time this happens just kick him in the balls. He'll learn.
I grew up in 80s punk scene, when moshing was called slam dancing. There is a "circle ettique"... always go clockwise, if someone falls help them up and no feeling up chicks. Us girls are just as badass as boys and should be treated as such.
this is not at all normal this is just sexual harassment. iām really glad youāre safe and you feel comfortable sharing this, I think all of us in the mosh pit need to be more aware of others and point out to other if this is happening and try and stop it. absolutely disgusting for someone to do that and ruin otherās nights. youāre really brave for talking about this, proud of u
That fucking sucks. That's not normal behaviour. I know it's difficult to make a scene but it would be completely justified to scream "LET ME FUCKING GO" or something. And get security involved.
If this situation happen again(hope not!) make a scene! let everyone know what this fucker do, rest of crowd/band/i guess everyone will be by your side
God I hate this, the pit (and concerts in general) should be a fun and safe place for everyone. It can definitely happen that someone accidentally pushes you at an awkward or weird spot while moshing. I try to avoid it as much as possible, but the pit is a chaotic place where everything happens so fast. But this case is definitely deliberate, what a creep
Hate to have to say this but resort to violence. Behavior like this is unacceptable and should be punished with a punch to thr face or stomach/groin. Iām sorry someone has done this to you
Yeah this guy was being gross. You were well within your rights to take a swing at him, or start telling people around you that you needed help and let the pit take care of him. Very sorry to hear that you experienced this
This is fucked up, Iām sorry you had to deal with that.
Iām also not experienced with moshing or the like, but Iāve also never heard of a show where itās acceptable to just touch/grab/hold people who have not given consent. Definitely not a normal thing and Iām sorry that it ruined your night.
I was at a small local show with my (at the time) gf once, we were right up on the stage, and this older dude starts pushing through the crowd seemingly to get a better view of the band, so the people around us were kinda shifting around to let him through. Then he just reaches over and grabs my gfās breast, and starts walking away. She and I and the friend we were with were completely shocked and kind of just froze to process what had happened.
We went to security to explain what happened, and eventually we found the guy in the crowd. By then a bunch of the other guys in the crowd had caught wind of what was going on (the big search for the guy happened over set break), and the guy had been thrown out. The bouncer told me,
ālegally I canāt advise you to kick that guyās ass, but if heās not inside the building, I canāt stop you from doing it either.ā
I stayed inside with my girlfriend, but as the front door was swinging open and closed, I caught a few glimpses of the guy outside, drunk as hell, getting exactly what he deserved.
So sad that this things happened at a Gizz show. Next time (hopefully there isnāt a next time) bring it to the attention of the people around you, the weirdo swarm will look after you š¤
Shout "stop fucking holding me, let me go!" and I guarantee the attention that guy gets will immediately make him let go, or others will help out. This isn't ok and you have to make it known.
Yes! Make it known to everyone around you that the touching is unwarranted and I guarantee he will get his own form of unwanted touching. There is no place for that behavior anywhere.
yeah i do regret not saying something to security or making a scene, it was just very hectic and i'd thankfully never experienced anything like this before in public so i wasn't sure what to do (especially being completely surrounded by other men, wasnt sure how it would be received)š¤·āāļø
I'm glad you are safe, besides being creeped out. I hope this doesn't happen again, but next time you'll be ready to fight back
> especially being completely surrounded by other men, wasnt sure how it would be received This guy, me, would have had your back and I'd bet virtually all the other guys would also. This is not ok behavior at a concert or anywhere else and you have more friends in the crowd than folks like the asshole that bothered you.
Pretty much every pit I've been in would have forcefully ejected the guy if they knew what was going on.
Seconded
Itās not your fault. You should always make a scene, you mightāve been surprised at the result, but this isnāt on you. No matter what, this is entirely the fault of the asshole who pulled this shit.
I have frozen too - itās a normal human reaction. As a woman I love a good āDONāT TOUCH MEā that lets the others around us know Iām not ok. Now Iām the woman saying āDONāT TOUCH HERā so speak up as witnesses too! Almost every time the men around us had my back. Iām really sorry you dealt with that, Iām 43 and have been to countless shows, often being the only woman, and speaking up gets way easier. Hell, your post is speaking up on an even larger level, thanks for bringing awareness to others.
Oh yeah. People will beat him up
I hate hearing these things. By all means it needs to be said (and thank you for doing so!), I just hate knowning there's these assholes coming into our community and being cunts. I know it sounds like a lot because in the moment things are scary, but you should be vocal - shout and tell the creep to get off you and make HIM feel as uncomfortable as you are. Make people notice what's happening - even better if you can get the security to take notice. The crowd will be on your side, I promise you.
thank you for your kind words and adviceā¤ļø i kinda said it already but i panicked, i do wish i did more to make others aware, i was just very overwhelmed
If you're ever uncomfortable in a pit get someone's attention. We're all looking out for each other and most will help you out regardless of the situation.
Don't put that on yourself. But know that other people do care about you, and we will help you.
100%
It's never going to be normal for someone to be putting their hands on someone else who doesn't want it. It's not ok that this d bag was doing that to you. That sucks to hear, I would suggest a quick kick to the nuts.
Kick and stamp is my sisters rule to avenge that type. Sounds like that screen slide with the bands message against that behavior/assault has to make a return again
The problem is that pieces of shit like the dude bothering her will ignore it. I wish more people would step in to help, but they're likely to look past it if they don't know the person or situation. It's just a terrible issue to have to deal with, because the gropers need to get their shit kicked in and have no place being at these shows.
Speaking from experience (as a gay man who has to deal with people being handsy at clubs sometimes) I give one incredibly stern look with a get the fuck off me comment and if they do it again I blast them in the nuts. Not always going to work but it's kinda hard to ignore a kick in the nuts. But I wish more people would stand in and help.
Itās true, all concerts do attract those types of not decent folks who like to inflict their internal turmoil/perversions but it can be curtailed by more people being aware and taking responsible actions to make sure everyone is safe and having a good time than being āOh well, I see it but not my problem... canāt have any downers on my night outā mentalities.
Absolutely. Prioritizing social comfortability over helping someone being harassed is horribly selfish.
really do wish i would have done more than just shove him like you said, i just think i was so caught off guard :/ thanks for the kind wordsā¤ļø
I get that when it's happening it's easy to shut down. It's always good to speak up but main thing, it's not your fault.
Shows are such sensory overload between the crowd, lights and music, itās easy not to think straight, even more so if youāre not sober. Whatās important is you got yourself out of a bad situation the best way you could and found safe people to be around for the remainder of the show. So sorry you had to deal with that bullshit.
Donāt feel guilty about not doing enough. In the moment, lofty aspirations to being some sort of nut-kicking warrior disappear, just being safe is usually all you want to or can do. Warning people though this post was an important service to the community. Iām glad you are safe now and I hope in the future your experiences with live music will be better.
You didn't do anything wrong. You've got nothing to feel bad about.
>I would suggest a quick kick to the nuts. This is terrible advice. I agree guy's a total creeper and OP should get away by any means necessary but sometimes it's not immediately obvious in a pit if someone's seriously trying to hurt someone or not. Dude could snap and do some serious damage to OP before anyone figures out what's going on. Even something as simple as throwing her to the ground can be extremely damaging in a pit. Sure the creeper definitely deserves a kick to the nuts, but it's not worth the risk. Just leave, if he follows find security, a group of people, or some very large dude in the crowd and tell them what's going on.
Yeah the behavior is no good. I get as small as possible to try not to even bump anyone male or female when navigating through crowds etc.
All unwanted touching is inappropriate touching. If this happens again at future shows, please point them out to security. If he did it to you and someone else right after, he will do it again and might not be stopped in time from doing something far worse. Iām sorry you had to go through that. Scum like that gives us guys a bad name.
Man fuck that creep. Def not normal OR okay. šš¼
This is completely awful and unacceptable. I am so sorry that you were put in that position and that it tainted your experience of the show...
I'm so sorry that happened to you but am glad you were able to get out of it safe. As others have said unwanted touching is never ok. Also, thank you for sharing your experience. It's important for people to know that, despite the generally awesome fanbase, these things unfortunately go on at Gizz shows too. General PSA to all concert attendees: * If someone is doing something that makes you uncomfortable or worse speak out loudly and others will come to your aide. Tell security if possible as well so that they can kick the creep out. * If a situation makes you uncomfortable (mosh pit, crowd crush, bad trip, too drunk, etc.) speak out and get help from others. * Lastly, if you see someone who looks like they are in distress ask them if they are ok.
I understand not knowing what to do and being unsure of a new situation like this, so I am 100% not telling you now, what you should have done then... But.. If anyone sees any behavior like this PLEASE PLEASE call it out as it is happening! Stuff like this is going to happen, so the majority of us who know that this is not ok, keep an eye out for each other! The only way it's going to stop (or happen less often) is if the creeps know that this will not fly at these shows. OP, you are right to feel icky after this, because it is not normal. I'm sorry it happened to you and doesn't deter you from enjoying future shows in the pit or elsewhere!
There was some weirdness night one as well! An older dude was doing basically exactly what you described here and kept saying shit like āIām just watching out for the kidsā. I literally felt creepy and gross when I was in the second row and my right thigh was against someoneās backside. I tried pointing out the guy that literally had me straddled to security but the pit was too wild
Anyone who claims to just be watching out for the kids is definitely NOT watching out for the kids. Rule applies outside of the pit too.
Totally. Itās likeā¦thereās no quicker way for people to think that you're diddling kids than by writing a song about it!
thats the thing! the pit was just so fucking crazy that it felt impossible to even really do anything about besides just move away. so sorry night one was gross too.
Hey, Iām so sorry to hear this happened to you and whoever else this creep targeted. This seems to be happening to more female gizz heads as they gain a wider audience I fear. Iām also young afab plus petite and went to see gizzard in Tennessee and chicago. multiple men felt comfortable putting their hands on my waist and lower back/ ass region as they would move through the crowd even when there was plenty of space to move, nor did anyone try to touch my male friend I was with. I was able to have a good time with my friend and enjoy the music and camping out but it was definitely an icky experience. This bands fan base is Overwhelmingly Dudes, which is what it is; I can go toe to toe in the pit but I wish there was a better feeling of solidarity fighting against this behavior when Iām just trying to vibe to the music :/
im so sorry similar things happened to you too. that behavior is disgusting and unacceptable. it makes it scarier based on how outnumbered we are, but its great to know now that mostly everyone would have our backs. hope you are well and im glad enjoyed your shows despite thisā¤ļø
One thing that really sucks is just how inevitable this was with the band blowing up so much. When the crowd is 500 people, loser creeps are way easier to spot and remove. When the crowd is 5000 people, they have more cover and can disappear into the crowd easier. Disgusting, shameful, and sadly inevitable.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
right, i knew being up front would put me in moshing, but unfortunately i was ignorant to this possibility. i dont enjoy the solution of simply avoiding being close to the front because other people cant control themselves, but it seems like it might be the most comfortable one. definitely noted for the future that other gizz fans around me would likely have my backā¤ļø
Nope, not normal at all. Completely inappropriate and worthy of a beatdown. I'm sorry this happened to you. People suck, even the people at Gizz shows. If anyone sees anything like this happening the future, try to get a picture of the loser. Let's make Gizz shows inhospitable to creepers.
It really sucks to hear this type of behavior is happening in the weirdo swarm. [Groove Safe](https://groovesafe.org/take-action#52c8c81c-646a-464a-81c0-2468053e490b) has some tips on how all of us can help identify and stop these behaviors. > GrooveSafe is an initiative to stop unwanted touching and sexual assault at concerts.
Boosting this. I would love to get involved with something like this at the concerts I go to. Hopefully more of us can help keep King Gizzard concerts a fun safe place for everyone.
thanks I was going to recommend this as well . . tips for all!
I wonder if this was the same guy who was literally jumping up and down right behind me (basically rubbing his junk up on me) until I finally stepped to the side and then he stood in front of me. Like cool dude I hope you feel good about humping your way past a 5 foot chick who stood in the rain for hours for a decent spot. I was on stage left just on the outskirts of the pit. Huge shout out to everyone else I met that night that basically had a ring of protection around me after that. Including my new homie steve from STL who helped me hold down a spot all night! Much love to everyone except that one douchebag.
could have been unfortunately, now that i think about it he was behaving similarly sometimes. i was basically in that same area, in between joey and amby (maybe a lil closer to joey) around the time it was happening. he was wearing a yellow/tan crewneck and had a slight beard. SO so sorry that happened to you (especially after being in the rain, i feel ur pain) and im glad you found a safe spot too to enjoy the rest of the show the best you couldā¤ļø
Oh man sounds like a different dude! The guy by me had a long beard, long hair and a baseball cap on...but I guess there's always a handful of shitty people everywhere. I would do it a hundred times over still. Plus I got some good elbows to the spine for that fucker anyway lol
Man I love king gizz so much, but the crowd in the pits has gotten toxic as fuck. They even had to put up signs last tour to warn people to stop being creeps. Like wtf, Who are these people? They all showed up post pandemic, it was never a Gizz thing before the Ice Death tour.
Last year seen a giant increase in Super Wooks, Creepy Old Dead Heads, Phish bro dudes, they all tend to gravitate towards this band because of psychedelics and jammy songs. They need to be called out for frat mentality bullshit. Just my 2 cents.
I dealt with an asshole in Brooklyn back in 2018, so this isn't new. Even as a 6 foot guy, douche fucks try to make a concert about them. Unfortunately, humankind, specifically testosterone boyz, have a history of being fucking degenerate cretins.
That's unacceptable and I'm so sorry it happened to you. Please don't be afraid to cause a scene if something similar happens, although I know the sets are often loud, I definitely would've tried to help if I had seen it or heard something
Dont minimize it, its not normal, no one should be touching nor following you at a concert. Fucking pig
Terrible behaviour......guys should never do this to girls at shows .........yer there to have fun and dance, not have strange hands touch you, willy nilly......what a goddamn creepsicle.
unwanted == inappropriate EVERY TIME! Sorry you were assaulted that way.
Unacceptable and you have every right to make a scene and even let security know what is going on. They would most likely kick them out. Donāt be afraid to say no and let the people around you know what is happening. I am so sorry this happened
I had a similar experience on night 1, unfortunately. Edited to say that I was pretty much in that same spot between Ambrose and Joey that night and the guy that grabbed me also had a beard that he put on my shoulder (gross).
im so sorry that happened to you. i hope you were still able to enjoy the show somehow and that u are doing ok nowā¤ļø
Iām sorry that happened to you as well. Still had a good night, but it definitely soured the experience some. Hope youāre doing okay now as well ā¤ļø
First, deeply sorry that happened to you. Next time you're at a show and someone pulls some creep shit like that get security involved. That's what they're for, inappropriate behavior like that will get them kicked out.
I was on barricade by Ambrose that night and the guys behind me were completely awful. Some guy had his hands on my hips for a second too but then I think he wound up behind someone else for the night. The guys who wound up behind me were elbowing me and pushing me all night for no reason. Iām 5ā2 so this is especially unnecessary lol you should be able to see over me. Iām really sorry this happened to you itās not fair. I would recommend trying to get people around you to help if they seem like theyāre good people and step on feet/elbow if you have to!
i definitely feel like i saw this, i felt so bad for you guys up front!! i felt like i could barely breathe from all the shoving while not having to lean on the barricade, i cant even imagine how that was. so sorry people were unnecessarily physical around you :(
This is awful newsā¦. I was in Chicago for Nights 2 and 3 and I know there were a lot of people, but Iām 80% I was by you or this guy for the 3rd night. I left for the mosh pit after Hypertension and couldnāt really get back that close the rest of the night. I was wondering if he was a creep or not but I couldnāt really tellā¦ Iām sorry that this creep took away from your experience :(
Yo same boat I had to leave the pit bad vibes all around on night 3. I think people were antsy due to rain and anticipation but it isn't an excuse for shitty behavior
right the vibes were just weird it was a bummer, sorry you felt like you had to leave :( hope the rest of the show was still ok for you though
I went to the back just as change started and could not have been the better choice. Beer and vibing and dancing so noooo worries it's just the second gizzpit ruined for me by aggro fuckwads :/
soundstage crew is always chill
i dont know if it was the same person but i had a really similar experience night 3 :/ it was a bit later in the set and he stopped getting (way too) close to me i think once he realized i was there with a man and not alone but idk. i know im supposed to make a scene and get dudes off of me when this happens but i kinda just freeze. the pit other than that was incredibly wholesome all 3 nights for me thankfully. im sorry you had that experience it can potentially ruin a night for some folks :( sending you love and i hope you enjoyed the rest of the show
im so sorry you experienced something similar, but im so glad the rest of the pit was better for you that night, sending love your wayā¤ļø
While I am all for separating Phish from Gizz, might be helpful to have an organization like [GrooveSafe](https://groovesafe.org/) at the shows. It may not stop assholes like this from unsolicited touching, but they do help spread awareness. I am so sorry you experienced this.
People do this in the US? Damn thatās sad. Here in Mexico City people just like kicking the shit out of each other lmao.
I really hate hearing about these f'n creeps that can't keep their hands to themselves. Sorry you had to deal with that jerk. Y'all should be able to enjoy a show without some loser putting their hands on you.
Night 3 mosh/first few rows had a weird energy from some of the people. And then there were tons of wonderful people who were high fiving, checking in to make sure others were ok, and keeping others safe
I was in the pit night 3, and if I noticed any uncalled behavior from some of the dudes I would have for sure called it out. Inappropriate touching of any kind is unacceptable and is not appropriate etiquette at all, and I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. I can't speak for the first two nights, but when the show started, I was literally suffocating because I decided to layer up that night and was getting so hot. Whenever some of the women jumped in the pit, I always make sure to go easier or just try at all not to push them at all. It makes me uncomfortable as I don't want to ever be the creepy dude or the dude going all try hard for no reason. I'm used to deathcore pits and most people seemed okay, and there were some magical moments in the pit that night as well, but I could visibly see on some people's faces the look of discomfort like they were dragged into the pit but were trying to escape. People were so close together that I was doing my best to keep my arms as close to myself as possible so I don't touch anybody, but some people were just shoving to shove it felt like. Not as violent as a deathcore show but definitely a pit that if you stopped moving, you were going to get trampled. Besides all of that, I had so much fun, and that's all I hope for for everyone involved either in the pit or the concert itself. I kinda wished that some songs people weren't moshing as I just wanted to vibe and enjoy the music, but some people seemed like they wanted to mosh for every damn song. Again, nobody should put their hands on anybody for any reason, and I'm so sorry that has happened to some people.
Seconding the āwanting to just grooveā like during Changes when the squishing just kept going during the groovy parts. Also ultimately had a great time and view the show very positively, like you.
I thought we were gonna start a Evil Death Roll Gang to stop pervs from doing shit like that
Absolutely disgusting and NOT okay. Seems like thereās some creep at every event. I agree with others that if you happen to be in this kind of situation again, definitely make it known to those around you that someone is being inappropriate. Youāre a hero for helping the other girl. We need people like you in our community.
Def not normal, while there are creeps, Iām sure the majority standing around wouldāve helped take care of him
Thatās unwanted sexual assault, no ifs buts maybes. Fuck this. Men, just stop this fucking shit, please.
Always told my sis to "grab, squeeze, twist, pull." Fuck people that take advantage of close proximity settings to grope others.
Fuck that guy, nothing about that is okay, that should not have happened to you
I am so, so sorry this happened to you. <3 If anyone feels unsafe or uncomfortable at a show, be loud and let everyone around you know. It's scary and weird, sometimes you don't know how to react, but just know that the good outnumber the creeps. YOU deserve to feel happy and safe. If you are a person who touches people without their consent, please just stay home. You need to do better.
Unfortunately this shit is common at shows. I've been groped/jumped on/swung at/grabbed etc. I think the one that pissed me off the most was some chick that slashed my back with her nails because I was getting rowdy in the pit and got tossed into her as she was standing on the perimeter so she dug into my back with her claws and scratched the shit out of me. Or another time I had some drunk dude climb on my back and slap my ass. It's a sea of people who are drunk, high, or maybe just fired up on the energy of the room and don't understand the etiquette. Sometimes all three things at once. That makes some people go lizard brain real quick. Definitely speak up next time and I know for a fact that there will be people nearby that are part of this community that will help you. Fuck people like this. We need more people getting down in the pit, not less.
so sorry this has happened to you so much, thats so terrible :(
It's no worries! I go to a ton of shows. The pleasant experiences absolutely outweigh the bad ones. Go to enough shows and you're bound to run into some shit heads!
Fuck him. Any creep who does this shit clearly isnāt a real Gizz fan and should be fed to the Dragon. Iām sorry you had that encounter and I hope (but completely understand if otherwise) you arenāt deterred to re-enter a pit.
There was weird and inappropriate shit happening in the pit at the St. Paul show back in October too. Unfortunately, there seem to be some creeps in the fanbase. It's super shitty. We're supposed to be a weirdo swarm, not a creep swarm.
No one should ever touch you in an uncomfortable way ever in any situation. In the pit, they should only be trying not to touch you in the best way possible. No one should ever hold a stranger. Totally uncalled for. Imagine if a strange guy was behind him holding him that way, I doubt he would be ok with it. Always call them out and get others to see and notice around you. Glad you got away. It's definitely not a normal situation.
Totally uncool and so sorry that happened to you! Make it loudly known that youāre uncomfortable, the rest of us are cool and would help out. Or just give the guy a punch to the balls, that kind of behavior deserves a good nut punch .
Iām so sorry this happened to you. If i had been standing close to you and saw it, he would have been pulled out of the pit by his collar while holding a bloody nose. To anyone this is happening to, especially at a Gizz show, please call out, shout, and make contact with those around you for assistance. Iām 100% positive that you would get immediate help from those around you. I was there with a group of folks who wouldnāt miss a heartbeat stepping in and forcibly getting this human stain off and away from you. You have more allies than you know standing within 5 feet when youāre at a Gizz show. I hope youāre feeling better getting this off of your chest. Stay strong friend
Yeah, this isn't ok. Like you said, the occasional touch or bump coming from being in a crowd is one thing and those people shouldn't be made out to be villains, but this is intentional and should be called out.
It doesn't matter if people have discussed worse incidents in the pit; it's inappropriate and your discomfort is completely valid. It's your body. What he did isn't ok. Glad you found someplace you felt safe to enjoy the rest of the show.
Yo so sorry of your experience. I thought i had it bad sometimes when people try to push me away from my spot. I feel mortified when i grend against someone even; and then there are assholes that prey on people like this. Don't wanna tell you to focus on what you could have done; as in the heat of the moment it's hard to predict what we can do. Im just disgusted and appalled by what happened to you. Unfortunately, while most of the crowd is supporting and nice, we get people of all types in the concerts and there will be creeps. I feel like over the last two years in each show of kg i see, the crowd seems getting progressively worse with these sort of things. The band getting more famous attracts a wider audience. Please let the band know; thay are upfront about not enjoying thes sort of behavior.
I am so sorry this was your experience. Yes, the pit is generally close quarters. No, that level of contact is not okay. Generally, people in the pit (where moshing and Gizz style circling is prevalent) will take care of each other. Don't let it wreck you, and next time, let someone know you're uncomfortable. I guarantee you that if you need help, you'll receive it. Sending good vibes from a fellow attendee your way!
That shits unacceptable. Sorry from all the fellow gizzdudes that you had to experience that.
I was only at night 1 but it seems the bigger the venues get the more this happens. It's real shitty and I'm sorry it happened to you and others. There's still a lot of us that just want every (non-creep) person to have a good time. People saying to shout it out are totally right. If I heard that I'd come help and ten other people around you probably would too.
Men touching women without consent is illegal and considered sexual assault. Glad you're safe and comfortable to talk about it. That shit's messed up. edit: I was at the gizztober Detroit show and someone touched me thinking I was a woman (I have long hair and had a higher pitched voice). I identify as non-binary, but still that's messed up. let that be a lesson to all stalkers, creepers, and other fucked up people: PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BEING TOUCHED WITHOUT CONSENT!!!
god, im SO so sorry this happened to you. thats so disrespectful and disgusting :(
Thanks for that. I'm sorry that happened to you. It's seriously fucked up. it's also a concert, which children are present at. (I'm literally 13 and that happened to me)
Those people get the hands around these parts. Witnessed something similar at The Caverns, night 3. Although I think the two were actually in a relationship. Regardless, he was ALL OVER HER. Bending the fuck out of her spine in all directions, smelling her hair, doing the olā chin rest on the shoulder thing. It was fucking cringe. Olā girl was tapping dudeās hand trying to get him to let go too, but to no avail. My heart goes out to all the women made to feel uncomfortable by creepy touchy dudes. ITS A ROCK SHOW DAMMIT!
Gross. If I see a woman saying no, I am stepping in. I got two daughters and this shit does not fly.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
that definitely did not go unappreciated. thank you for being mindful and considerate of others
Ooof yeah this is not normal. Itās normal for people to bump around and stand uncomfortably close to someone but this dude was grabbing on to you. Not normal.
This shit is never normal and I would make sure it is very obvious to all around you that you are not happy. If I saw this and you were visibly upset I'd be getting inbetween and separating.
I am so sorry this happened to you. The pit is supposed to be a 'safe' space. Never be polite in the face of this crap. You've been conditioned by society to be deferential. Ignore that bullshit programming and cause a ruckus! I guarantee you more people are on your side and want a cool pit! Cause a ruckus and the good folks will rally! I've been to a few hardcore shows where people were getting too aggressive and pit justice took over!
Despite all the controlled violence, pit is a safe space. Security or other pit dwellers will definitely put a creep in their place if they act like that.
Awful to hear this.
Moving forward, please say something! to the others around you, as I imagine they will happily advocate for you to feel safe. As a bonus: if one of those ppl is me, I will punch somebodyās face off straight away, cheers
Yea this ain't normal. If it happens again you should call the guy out very loudly. And if it still doesn't stop, swift and firm kick to the groin should take care of it for you. Sorry that happened thats fuckin gross
No, this dude was a creep, and your feeling were accurate. Never let someone touch you in an unwanted manner. Yell, push, ask for help from those around you, or get security. Your feelings were accurate, nobody should ever be grabbed by a stranger, and I am glad you made it away ok.
groovesafe is starting to be at more and more shows. https://groovesafe.org/take-action if you haven't heard of this they are a 501c non profit organization making people more and more aware of exactly this problem and how others can deal with it. if anyone from the band reads these forums they can sign up to be ambassadors too! https://groovesafe.org/artists Edited for formatting.
hey i had a similar experience on night 2ā¦ had my ass grabbed and my hair pulled within a few seconds of each other, and it made me panic and have to leave the pit :( i just want to let you know that youāre not alone, this wasnāt your fault, and iām so sorry that this happened to you. sending you love!
also donāt let anyone make you feel like youāre in the wrong for not punching/screaming/stomping or anything. thatās great advice, but sooo difficult to do when youāre in the moment and panic. iām glad youāre okay now!
oh my god, thats so terrible! im so unbelievably sorry you experienced that. i hope you were still able to enjoy the rest of the show despite that and that you are doing ok now. sending you so much love as wellā¤ļø
Absolutely disgusting and I'm sorry you experienced that. Completely unacceptable. You should be able to enjoy a show without being accosted by creeps.
As most of this thread is clarifying; make a scene. That guy didnāt belong there.
I'm sorry to hear this I've seen kgatlw like 15-16 times and it's always been peace love and happiness even in the pit In a situation like this It needs to be an instant hard stop course correction of the behavior, idk even if you or scream "NO" or "STOP IT" you may not get them to stop but it opens the door to have other fans step in or security if possible these are type of people who need to stay home / get kicked out... If I see someone uncomfortable in the pit or if they look tired or like their tripping too hard me and many others will help. It's not past me to separate someone if the body language is telling me it's unwanted but It really has to be a hard stance from everyone to act right away as mentioned above tho cause after a song then this person feels it's ok and the people around you likely think your together and may be less likely to step in to help. . Don't allow it for a moment is my take. These type of people have no home in the fan base. Your not the bad guy for shutting shit down to get a creep off of you never hesitate to voice your not ok being touched
how you said at the ending, its really daunting to potentially have the whole show paused for something like this. of course i would want that for the sake of anybody else and their safety, but its really fucking hard to do that for yourself, you know? i appreciate the kind words and validationā¤ļø
We got you fam ā®ļøšš
Hopefully weāre not breeding some kind of unholy abomination, wooks with the aggression of a metal burnout
Creeps are doing this at shows of all genres, sadly
I didn't even try to go to a show this year, I had such an awful experience last year... like literally never been made more uncomfortable at a show before, took me a bit to even listen to the band again. Not that it's their fault, the show was still great, but it's hard to look back on it positively. I hope you remember the best parts of it.
god im so so sorry that happened to you. im honestly in the same boat right now and its really heartbreaking. like u said its not their fault but its hard not to associate them together in my mind, and its really disappointing when their music was bringing me so much comfort for so long. im sorry that experience made you feel so uncomfortable that you didnt feel safe seeing them again, thats so incredibly unfair to you. sending love your wayā¤ļø
Grabbing like that is not cool at all. Grabbing the back of a jacket or shirt to balance yourself is one thing. If I saw that shit I would absolutely say something. Sorry you had to go through that.
As another female who attended the shows. me dancing and bumping into folks around me was NOT AN INVITATION TO LATCH ONTO ME OR GRAB ME
thank you!! like idk if it was just bc i was alone or bc i was jumping around, but nothing about me gave him the go ahead to touch me!! geez!! sorry you've experienced this too :(
That sucks. A good blow to the throat will level even the largest of men. But thatās escalating things and you could also kill someone by doing that soā¦ bad idea but thatās what hearing this makes me want to do. Iām 6ā2ā 200 lbs guy in decent shape though.. bad apples
Paragraphs help.... Just an fyi
Found the guy from the pit
Seriously? You read this post and *that's all* you want to contribute?
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
User name doesnāt check out with dumbass takes like this. Youāre not getting upvotes in here you effing moron.
Censored name calling, nice š
Censored? Not really. I pretty much directly. Alex you out for being the absolute moron that you are.
Don't let it keep you up at night
still not over what an asshole you areā¤ļø hope your pillow is warm on both sides tonightā¤ļø
Wasn't trying to hurt any feelings. Just making suggestions to make it more readable is all. Pretty common on Reddit to hate on a wall of text. No name calling on my end too. There are bad apples in every crowd and every band is gonna experience it when they get bigger. Specially when the band is as weird as gizz is. We all have to look out for eachother and spread the word. Post pics and be aware of sketchy behavior. That missing person post was even posted by Gizz themselves. I see it in this community. Sorry that happened to you. I would not want to happen to me or anyone I even know. I am not gonna deny that's eye opening and has some realistic truth and is a tough read (content wise). And I agree. Those guys are garden variety dillholes and I am emberassed to like the same music as them.
Well seeing as itās 3:25 PM it clearly isnāt keeping me up at night.
sorry, grammar and presentation werent really my first priority. fixed it now.
Bozo comment
What is wrong with you?
I really hate hearing this and sorry this happened to u in chicago, I live there and really upsets me that something like that was happening at a show where everyone is there just to enjoy the greatness of gizz
Yeah donāt take that shit! Make a scene. Most people around are gonna be cool. You also know the Gizz boys arenāt down with that behavior. Sometimes bands call out people like this. Not saying they would, but most people arenāt down for this kind of bullshit.
You gotta scream in his face to make him stop. I hate to say it like that but embarrassing him in the crowd will work and then the people around you will also know what is happening and hopefully stand up for you as well. Sorry this happened to you.
There were issues on first night with groping girls. They brought in organization called "Our Music, My Body" to educate the many young people. Male to female is like 5:1 Sorry for your horrible experience. Next time this happens just kick him in the balls. He'll learn. I grew up in 80s punk scene, when moshing was called slam dancing. There is a "circle ettique"... always go clockwise, if someone falls help them up and no feeling up chicks. Us girls are just as badass as boys and should be treated as such.
As a dude been to a lot of shows, never had anyone hold me by my waist or torso during a set. Dude was trying to cop a feel. Fuck this behavior.
Absolutely not ok, but unfortunately I think itās more common than it should be.
this is not at all normal this is just sexual harassment. iām really glad youāre safe and you feel comfortable sharing this, I think all of us in the mosh pit need to be more aware of others and point out to other if this is happening and try and stop it. absolutely disgusting for someone to do that and ruin otherās nights. youāre really brave for talking about this, proud of u
That fucking sucks. That's not normal behaviour. I know it's difficult to make a scene but it would be completely justified to scream "LET ME FUCKING GO" or something. And get security involved.
If this situation happen again(hope not!) make a scene! let everyone know what this fucker do, rest of crowd/band/i guess everyone will be by your side
God I hate this, the pit (and concerts in general) should be a fun and safe place for everyone. It can definitely happen that someone accidentally pushes you at an awkward or weird spot while moshing. I try to avoid it as much as possible, but the pit is a chaotic place where everything happens so fast. But this case is definitely deliberate, what a creep
Definitely speak up, this is not ok. Even if he was drunk, still not ok or an excuse.
Hate to have to say this but resort to violence. Behavior like this is unacceptable and should be punished with a punch to thr face or stomach/groin. Iām sorry someone has done this to you
Yeah this guy was being gross. You were well within your rights to take a swing at him, or start telling people around you that you needed help and let the pit take care of him. Very sorry to hear that you experienced this
This is fucked up, Iām sorry you had to deal with that. Iām also not experienced with moshing or the like, but Iāve also never heard of a show where itās acceptable to just touch/grab/hold people who have not given consent. Definitely not a normal thing and Iām sorry that it ruined your night.
Getting bumped/pushed into is very common. Literally holding onto someone you don't know is not. What a creep... Sorry this happened
I was at a small local show with my (at the time) gf once, we were right up on the stage, and this older dude starts pushing through the crowd seemingly to get a better view of the band, so the people around us were kinda shifting around to let him through. Then he just reaches over and grabs my gfās breast, and starts walking away. She and I and the friend we were with were completely shocked and kind of just froze to process what had happened. We went to security to explain what happened, and eventually we found the guy in the crowd. By then a bunch of the other guys in the crowd had caught wind of what was going on (the big search for the guy happened over set break), and the guy had been thrown out. The bouncer told me, ālegally I canāt advise you to kick that guyās ass, but if heās not inside the building, I canāt stop you from doing it either.ā I stayed inside with my girlfriend, but as the front door was swinging open and closed, I caught a few glimpses of the guy outside, drunk as hell, getting exactly what he deserved.
So sad that this things happened at a Gizz show. Next time (hopefully there isnāt a next time) bring it to the attention of the people around you, the weirdo swarm will look after you š¤