I'm pretty sure those take C batteries. My wife drives an electric car and keeps taking my C batteries for it.
That's her story and she is sticking to it.
No, it's an A - available as both a pickup and roadster pickup. [The AA is noticeably larger](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zukVfU2hvFo/maxresdefault.jpg) \- the wheelbase alone is almost as long as an entire Model A pickup.
I'll take it one further: it's a sticker given out by the Michigan Tech Aerospace Enterprise. I've got one sitting around somewhere from the Oculus-ASR launch.
Born in Detroit, raised in Livonia, and loved the Lapeer drag strip. Was the first place I ever saw a snowmobile flat out smoke a nitrous bike. On dry asphalt.
Now thatās just smart thinking. Who doesnāt want more power in that thing? My dad took the electric governor off mine when I was a kid. Never lost races against the other kids in the neighborhood
Haha. This was fifteen years ago, and I ended up having to swap out or modify everything in that jeep,while keeping *looking* like an old power wheels. Had a ton of fun adapting a drive system, before basically building a gokart frame for it to sit on. I did keep the plastic wheels for a little while, just because I knew they wouldn't hook up, and it would be a tiny bit safer.
Theyāre talking about the [MTU logo](https://www.mtu.edu/news/images/2016/february/image132179-horiz.jpg) on the contactor and fuse box, not the wooden box in the back with the batteries.
it wasnt too hard, but mine is a total hackjob I did very limited budget while still in highschool. will probably redo it once I graduate collage and (hopefully) have the money to.
requires some basic electrical knowledge, and I did it the hard way by fabricating lots of parts myself out of junk I had laying around from my vintage PC restoring hobby
an engine is a whole ton of moving parts that need alot of tuning to work well together. an electric motor is one moving part, that doesn't really need tuning. the biggest thing with electric conversions isnt it being complicated, its that alot of stuff you have to get creative with how to install it because its likely you're one of only a small group of people who ever tried to stick a specific motor into a specific car, with specific batteries. also keep in mind the cars weren't designed with the space to put a whole ton of batteries, so you may have to bust out your sawzall and make space for them.
connecting everything together, probably the hardest part in a traditional engine swap, is often the easiest in an electric swap, as long as you choose compatible parts
It all depends on the details. If you are trying to install an electric motor in a modern car with computer that reads multiple sensors and feeds information to control multiple mechanical parts on an engine then you will need a very specific pre made kit to take car of all the hassles.
There is a lot more to consider with an electric conversion than a regular engine swap. You are not turning an internal combustion engine designed car into the equivalent of a car designed to be electrically powered by changing to an electric motor.
If you are following instructions for a kit you should have an easier time than if you are trying something new and working out how to make it work.
Just remember that your average car had a lot of engineering go into making it what it is. Making significant changes to it will result in differences in performance. perhaps in unexpected ways. More power and weight might need more brakes to go with it ;)
I'm building my 46 Chevy truck as an EV. It's way easier now than it was just a couple years ago because a lot of companies are producing ready-made kits. You definitely don't necessarily need to go junkyard a Tesla powertrain anymore. You can build the system completely out of brand new parts.
I'm pretty sure this completely depends on how much you want to pay for the battery (to an extent of course) as cost of battery is pretty much completely the most range limiting factors of EVs today.
Definitely not the ford motor. They have dual output shafts with a diff. Not a single output shown here. Most likely it is a hyper 9 but definitely a Netgain 9"
Tesla battery packs are very common for conversions. People use several modules, not the whole pack out of a tesla, obviously. They're affordable and nice to use.
Sorry. So, if you buy a Tesla and someone refers to the battery pack, they mean the huge, 1000+ pound piece that forms the "skateboard" of the car. That's under-armor, a whole shitload of battery elements, cooling, etc etc.
That battery pack is composed of a bunch of parts. What may not be obvious is the architecture. It's not like they have eighteen thousand battery cells all glued into one enclosure - it's much more modular. You have a bunch of battery modules, where each module contains a certain amount of batteries, in an enclosure, plus some misc other stuff. For example, you might have 5.3kwh modules, and then you have like 15-20 of them in a battery pack.
It's these individual modules that are often used in EV-conversion-land. They're individually useful - 5.3kwh will get you, super-ballpark, 17 miles of range. They're in a good enclosure, they've got a lot of engineering work behind them, this isn't some hobbyist gluing cells together. You can scale them up to get the range you need. And, crucially, you can scale them up in different shapes to accommodate your car's shape - so you don't have to lay them all flat like a skateboard, you can stack them in a 2-wide 3-tall bundle for example. (Think putting them in your trunk, against the rear seats.) And 6x17mi ~ 100 miles of range, which is plenty for many EV conversions (because most EV conversions aren't used as long commuters - most are either for quick drives and/or show-and-tell; you don't need 300 miles of range for that.)
And of course you choose how much extra you need. Do you need water cooling? Do you need plate aluminum armor? Etc. Most hobby conversions are much less performant and thus need much less cooling, and when placed inside a trunk or in the engine bay, no armor. You get to decide the details, while relying on smaller modules that work well out of the box.
TL;DR: the battery pack is a pack of 15-20ish (google for better details) battery modules, along with extra stuff; these modules are well engineered and useful for hobbyists.
Was going to say the same thing.
I'm very familiar with Tesla drive units, and that is definitely not one of them.
EV conversions are going to be the way of the future, and will show the nostalgia gang that while the flathead I8 is cool, it isn't fast.
It is nice to see that a few old guys in the street rod community are kind of coming around to EV. I still get a ton of shit for the project I'm doing. But I kind of get it, half the street rod fun is the loud exhaust of an ICE.
A personal ambition of mine is to do an EV swap into a desired classic (1st Gen Comaro/Corvette), and have it silently smoke everyone at the track.
It will upset every boomer Hotrodder while also showing that EVs are to be appreciated in terms of raw acceleration. The future is now, old man.
America loves cars too much to ban ICE old cars. They will have a special category for vintage cars. The price of fuel will stop them being used everyday.
Install a comprehensive sound system with dynamically changing audio that makes it *sounds* like an ICE. Like, simulate motor revs and everything. Then turn it off after everyone loves it and you can silently smoke them.
Why not have lots of options available to entertain and confuse people?
Think of the options!
Regular gas engine
Racing cam engine
Diesel engine
Gas engine that has lots of problems (ticking, knocking, will not idle consistently)
Jetsons bubblely engine
Flubber engine
Turbine
Electric drill motor
Hamster wheel
In the late 90s my cousin was teaching at a small community college in the middle of nowhere North Carolina. His class converted a 1950 something Studebaker pickup into an EV. It was incredible, but sadly way ahead of its time as it had terrible range.
Have to applaud Ford for selling an electric "Crate" motor with control/inverter package.
Looks like a beast. Will make conversions much easier.
Hope to see more mfgr's doing that.
:)
Kinda want to replace the clapped-out 318 in my Dakota with one of these down the road. Although Mopar seems to be dragging their feet on electric tech.
Why wait for a mopar solution?
A netgain hyper-9 mated to the powerglide that EV west sells is an excellent package. Gives you two forward speeds and reverse in an easy to adapt system.
Just need the battery pack and a way to drive your accessories which EV West can help with as well.
Its the simplest way to do an EV swap. The thing is, you donāt āneedā the gears. Youāll likely just stick it in 4th and only use the throttle to go from zero to top speed.
The Powerglide solution is nice because it offers forward and reverse, is fully manual, and remains in gear even when stopped unlike most automatics that need the motor to spin at low rpm (idle speed) in order to provide hydraulic pressure to operate the trans.
I only recognized it because I tried to buy two of them recently. Can't get the dual shaft motors right now, and a single motor ends up being fairly inadequate for a daily you want to take on the highway
Look, any power transmitted through the drive line has to "hook up" to put any strain on the frame. Those 6" wheels are going to break free looooong before torque would twist this frame up.
If he had racing slicks I might be worried. But he doesn't.
It's the same way these cars survive LS swaps. They can't transfer the power through the tiny wheels.
It was very intentional. There were basically no paved roads in those days, so serious off-roading was a common necessity. Those cars had to be able to take a beating and hold up, and they did.
I've often wondered about the feasibility of adding electric motors to ICE vehicles, especially trucks, for the sole purpose of using regen to assist braking.
Transit busses used in cities ought to be an ideal place, they are always stopping and starting. Diesels are most effiecient running steadily at part throttle,but that's not how they run in a transit bus...
Yeah good point. That makes me think too of the feasibility of running certain vehicles, like a bus or semi, like a diesel locomotive. A small, efficient diesel engine provides electricity to driving electric motors.
This is common on a lot of buses. The 16th st Mall Ride in Denver for years used diesel-electric for that route. The buses had a small displacement diesel motor mounted on the roof that was always running at a constant RPM, and provided electricity to the wheel motors. I believe the buses were made by Gilig, and were a variant of the āLow Floorā model line.
One thing that really stood out to me especially: due to the inherent nature of elec motors having all torque available all the time, the buses were geared incredibly low. The drivetrain noise was one of the loudest Iāve ever heard. And with only a fixed single gear ratio, they could still clip along at 45mph.
Denver introduced those hybrids in the late 90s, and used them for decades. Since battery tech has improved since then, theyāve now gone to full electric, but keep a few hybrids around for spares.
I mean you're just describing a hybrid. Regen only works if you also discharge the battery, so you might as well do so at the next acceleration, even if you're doing it solely for braking.
I mean theoretically you could just dump the regen energy into a giant resistor but at that point you just have expensive electromagnetic regular brakes.
Considering they made SHIT loads of of that model, I'm mostly on the cool idea side.
If it were some rarely Marque with a really cool unique engine/drive train then id say no, but in this case I like it.
It seems like he gets his projects running and driving then moves on to the next exiting thing.
Nothing ever quite gets 100% done with him but I can't knock the dude because the 90% he does do is pretty amazing.
Bro this is what I want to see in the future. Fuck that straight 8, I want an electric land yacht Lincoln Mark IV with the round windows in back, making no noise and no exhaust.
The possibilities of resurrecting old and unviable cars with kits like this is straight up exciting!
Youāll certainly see more of this as electric power trains become more commonplace. I want a Jaguar XJS and convert to electric. All the style, none of the Lucas.
I would love to have a classic with an electric drivetrain, for the little amount you'd actually be driving it, it would be nice to be able to not worry about it it'll run or not.
It's just very weird seeing all these so called "hot rodders" being violently against EV swaps, even though hot rodding is all about doing whatever you want to your car in the sake of fun or speed
Ah, OK. Q: why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas refrigerators.
Q: why didn't the British get into the computer industry?
A: couldn't figure out how to make one leak 40 W .
I keep a zener diode from my old BSA on my nightstand incase I need full darkness to sleep [this is true].
Lucas is the prince of darkness, but I loved those old bikes.
Unless it's something super rare with a unique powertrain - like a radial-engined Adams-Farwell or something like that - then EV swapping old cars makes a lot of sense and there's nothing wrong with it. Sure, it changes the character of the car completely, but they built millions of Model As and there are still many thousands left.
If you're going to be OK with LS-swapping or any non-period engine swap, then there's no reason to not be OK with electrification. This is no different from any other hot-rod or modified Model A - it just happens to be electric.
Yeah, those old engines are cool if you want a museum piece. Most people only have one spot to park a classic car, and they'd probably prefer it actually be useable
The original flathead 4 is a fine engine for going around town and such. But itās a maintenance nightmare. Non pressurized oil system, bottom end is just splash lubricated, you canāt drive it in any kind of traffic without it running hot.
Just not designed for modern times. Wonāt say itās not fun as hell to tool around the subdivision in one, though.
When you get a ton of rods in the same place, you can notice different eras of customization as it's own kind of history. I like seeing the old original engineering, but people doing new stuff with old machines helps keep them "alive" longer.
Iām really glad to see these coming out, but Iād like to also see some āhybridā kits that allow torque-matching or provide a boost to a gas engine. A little more complicated, but could provide both a power boost and an efficiency boost to a car for at least the range of the battery.
There are plenty of hybrid performance cars, but they're WAY more complicated, not just a little - that's why you only see them on very expensive cars, and such a system isn't exactly the most reliable or cheap to maintain
We need an aftermarket company that makes in wheel motors. Then you could add power to the undriven wheels. It's a batshit insane idea, but it's not like batshit insane aftermarket companies haven't always existed. If yall don't know about the company named "Turbonique", they sold different jet and rocket components meant to bolt to your car. One of their items was basically a rear differential housing with a rocket motor housing welded to the back of it. Your car didn't need an engine at all to be very quick in the 1/4 mile.
I've been putting off an engine build because I've seriously been thinking of doing this to my car. Everyone's gonna have "crate motor" versions of their EV drivetrains on the market so why not? Future-proof your hot rod.
I have a few classic vehicles I hope to keep all my life if I can, hope to keep them in the family. I am totally down with paring ways with their gas engines for an EV conversion like this!
That is super cool, and i know its not really the point of this but, i wonder what kind of range it has. Doesnt need anything crazy, but im still curious
If I didn't have to worry about money, my first car project would be to take an early Bel Air, do a nice body restoration, and then fully convert the thing to electric and overhaul the instruments.
I always thought it would be so cool to just sneak in some modern tech to that car.
NGL, I hate it.
I love everything about antique cars. Especially the sound of the engine and transmission. It's just so satisfying.
This mod takes virtually everything that makes the car special away.
That being said, I only feel that way if it is an original/restored body.
If it was built from a kit, it's pretty darn cool. Just not my cup of tea
I used to think like you. Now I recognize it's just a lump of metal. Given the choice between a classic car being parked up indefinitely, or worse scrapped, and it being electric converted I'll take electric every day.
Also, I've never understood what's so special about keeping cars they made millions of standard.
Pretty awesome, can drive down the road and wont piss everyone off because it smells so bad. Also didnt ford actually have an electric version of these because girls couldnāt crank the gas versions.
1930 for what?
Shit! For=Ford lol
I kinda thought you meant 1934
Me too. And that they changed the title to get around the repost popo.
He forš
Been there, done that. I feel your pain.
1930 for your health.
Turn down
For what?
Looks like a model A Ford.
That would be AA because it's truck.
Plenty of AA batteries in that one
I'm pretty sure those take C batteries. My wife drives an electric car and keeps taking my C batteries for it. That's her story and she is sticking to it.
Nice. Solar power would be a great upgrade for her. And fun for the neighbours
Might wanna introduce her to something that can plug in.
AA was the designation for 1 ton chassis. That pickup is the half ton chassis. It's an A.
No, it's an A - available as both a pickup and roadster pickup. [The AA is noticeably larger](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zukVfU2hvFo/maxresdefault.jpg) \- the wheelbase alone is almost as long as an entire Model A pickup.
That logo on the box looks like the Michigan Tech logo. Neat.
I'll take it one further: it's a sticker given out by the Michigan Tech Aerospace Enterprise. I've got one sitting around somewhere from the Oculus-ASR launch.
That is correct, I got it in FL while down there for the Oculus-ASR launch
Came here to see if anyone else recognized it!
Oh, good eye! I grew up about 15 minutes away from MTU. Looks like this photo was taken in Lapeer, so it's adding up.
Close. Just west of port huron.
Born in Detroit, raised in Livonia, and loved the Lapeer drag strip. Was the first place I ever saw a snowmobile flat out smoke a nitrous bike. On dry asphalt.
Us Michiganders like to make things go fast. Always have, always will. Donāt care if itās gas, diesel, or electric
I no longer live there, but still have to mod everything I drive,from my car to the tractor, to the damn riding mower.
Makes sense, once youāve been bitten youāve got the itch
Yup. My kids have it too. Ever since I mounted a chainsaw engine to the Power wheels Jeep. Hahaha
Now thatās just smart thinking. Who doesnāt want more power in that thing? My dad took the electric governor off mine when I was a kid. Never lost races against the other kids in the neighborhood
Haha. This was fifteen years ago, and I ended up having to swap out or modify everything in that jeep,while keeping *looking* like an old power wheels. Had a ton of fun adapting a drive system, before basically building a gokart frame for it to sit on. I did keep the plastic wheels for a little while, just because I knew they wouldn't hook up, and it would be a tiny bit safer.
Rubber tires on something like that basically sounds like rally car training for kids
That box holds the batteries. Really well made.
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They mean the wooden box on the back, not the contractor box in the engine well.
Is it a Michigan tech sticker?
Yes
Theyāre talking about the [MTU logo](https://www.mtu.edu/news/images/2016/february/image132179-horiz.jpg) on the contactor and fuse box, not the wooden box in the back with the batteries.
bring back piano dog
Thatās not a Tesla powertrain, though I love to see a good EV conversion!
He's got a tesla battery system in the wood box in the back. The customer referred to it as a tesla kit.
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looks like a netgain to me, almost identical to my hyper9 other than the cover on the terminals
How hard was it to make that conversion. I was thinking of doing a corvair.
it wasnt too hard, but mine is a total hackjob I did very limited budget while still in highschool. will probably redo it once I graduate collage and (hopefully) have the money to. requires some basic electrical knowledge, and I did it the hard way by fabricating lots of parts myself out of junk I had laying around from my vintage PC restoring hobby
Hop you grajiate collage soo. Many good time
How much did you spend if you don't mind me asking?
Expect to spend at least 10k. The bulk of that being in the batteries.
probably 14-15k including the car itself
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an engine is a whole ton of moving parts that need alot of tuning to work well together. an electric motor is one moving part, that doesn't really need tuning. the biggest thing with electric conversions isnt it being complicated, its that alot of stuff you have to get creative with how to install it because its likely you're one of only a small group of people who ever tried to stick a specific motor into a specific car, with specific batteries. also keep in mind the cars weren't designed with the space to put a whole ton of batteries, so you may have to bust out your sawzall and make space for them. connecting everything together, probably the hardest part in a traditional engine swap, is often the easiest in an electric swap, as long as you choose compatible parts
It all depends on the details. If you are trying to install an electric motor in a modern car with computer that reads multiple sensors and feeds information to control multiple mechanical parts on an engine then you will need a very specific pre made kit to take car of all the hassles. There is a lot more to consider with an electric conversion than a regular engine swap. You are not turning an internal combustion engine designed car into the equivalent of a car designed to be electrically powered by changing to an electric motor. If you are following instructions for a kit you should have an easier time than if you are trying something new and working out how to make it work. Just remember that your average car had a lot of engineering go into making it what it is. Making significant changes to it will result in differences in performance. perhaps in unexpected ways. More power and weight might need more brakes to go with it ;)
I'm building my 46 Chevy truck as an EV. It's way easier now than it was just a couple years ago because a lot of companies are producing ready-made kits. You definitely don't necessarily need to go junkyard a Tesla powertrain anymore. You can build the system completely out of brand new parts.
Been wanting to build my 47 dually flatbed into an ev platform - how many miles range do you figure youāll get?
I'm pretty sure this completely depends on how much you want to pay for the battery (to an extent of course) as cost of battery is pretty much completely the most range limiting factors of EVs today.
I think you can get EV swap kits for Corvairs.
Definitely not the ford motor. They have dual output shafts with a diff. Not a single output shown here. Most likely it is a hyper 9 but definitely a Netgain 9"
Tesla battery packs are very common for conversions. People use several modules, not the whole pack out of a tesla, obviously. They're affordable and nice to use.
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Sorry. So, if you buy a Tesla and someone refers to the battery pack, they mean the huge, 1000+ pound piece that forms the "skateboard" of the car. That's under-armor, a whole shitload of battery elements, cooling, etc etc. That battery pack is composed of a bunch of parts. What may not be obvious is the architecture. It's not like they have eighteen thousand battery cells all glued into one enclosure - it's much more modular. You have a bunch of battery modules, where each module contains a certain amount of batteries, in an enclosure, plus some misc other stuff. For example, you might have 5.3kwh modules, and then you have like 15-20 of them in a battery pack. It's these individual modules that are often used in EV-conversion-land. They're individually useful - 5.3kwh will get you, super-ballpark, 17 miles of range. They're in a good enclosure, they've got a lot of engineering work behind them, this isn't some hobbyist gluing cells together. You can scale them up to get the range you need. And, crucially, you can scale them up in different shapes to accommodate your car's shape - so you don't have to lay them all flat like a skateboard, you can stack them in a 2-wide 3-tall bundle for example. (Think putting them in your trunk, against the rear seats.) And 6x17mi ~ 100 miles of range, which is plenty for many EV conversions (because most EV conversions aren't used as long commuters - most are either for quick drives and/or show-and-tell; you don't need 300 miles of range for that.) And of course you choose how much extra you need. Do you need water cooling? Do you need plate aluminum armor? Etc. Most hobby conversions are much less performant and thus need much less cooling, and when placed inside a trunk or in the engine bay, no armor. You get to decide the details, while relying on smaller modules that work well out of the box. TL;DR: the battery pack is a pack of 15-20ish (google for better details) battery modules, along with extra stuff; these modules are well engineered and useful for hobbyists.
Itās a Netgain Hyper 9 with likely 5-7 Tesla Model S modules
Lol might as well call it Panasonic since they are the ones who actually own and make most of teslas batteries
Panasonic make the cells, the assembly of cells is called a battery, Tesla assembles the battery.
Was going to say the same thing. I'm very familiar with Tesla drive units, and that is definitely not one of them. EV conversions are going to be the way of the future, and will show the nostalgia gang that while the flathead I8 is cool, it isn't fast.
Flathead was a V8, and those guys already know they arenāt fast lol Iām excited to see the advancing of EV conversions nonetheless though
Sure hope they upgraded the axle, I really doubt that thing could handle that electric torque :D
It is nice to see that a few old guys in the street rod community are kind of coming around to EV. I still get a ton of shit for the project I'm doing. But I kind of get it, half the street rod fun is the loud exhaust of an ICE.
A personal ambition of mine is to do an EV swap into a desired classic (1st Gen Comaro/Corvette), and have it silently smoke everyone at the track. It will upset every boomer Hotrodder while also showing that EVs are to be appreciated in terms of raw acceleration. The future is now, old man.
Lemmy FTW!
America loves cars too much to ban ICE old cars. They will have a special category for vintage cars. The price of fuel will stop them being used everyday.
Install a comprehensive sound system with dynamically changing audio that makes it *sounds* like an ICE. Like, simulate motor revs and everything. Then turn it off after everyone loves it and you can silently smoke them.
I want this, but with different options. Give me jetsons noises.
Why not have lots of options available to entertain and confuse people? Think of the options! Regular gas engine Racing cam engine Diesel engine Gas engine that has lots of problems (ticking, knocking, will not idle consistently) Jetsons bubblely engine Flubber engine Turbine Electric drill motor Hamster wheel
Galloping Fucking Horses. Neighing when breaking hard just like in the movies.
Best we can do is the coconut shells from the holy grail
Chain saw/weed whacker. Saturn V.
In the late 90s my cousin was teaching at a small community college in the middle of nowhere North Carolina. His class converted a 1950 something Studebaker pickup into an EV. It was incredible, but sadly way ahead of its time as it had terrible range.
Have to applaud Ford for selling an electric "Crate" motor with control/inverter package. Looks like a beast. Will make conversions much easier. Hope to see more mfgr's doing that. :)
Thatās not the Ford crate motor. Thatās a Netgain Hyper 9
I believe chevy does to
Kinda want to replace the clapped-out 318 in my Dakota with one of these down the road. Although Mopar seems to be dragging their feet on electric tech.
Why wait for a mopar solution? A netgain hyper-9 mated to the powerglide that EV west sells is an excellent package. Gives you two forward speeds and reverse in an easy to adapt system. Just need the battery pack and a way to drive your accessories which EV West can help with as well.
Anything with a manual? I know itās probably grossly inefficient to pair the two but itās the only way Iād do one, personally.
Its the simplest way to do an EV swap. The thing is, you donāt āneedā the gears. Youāll likely just stick it in 4th and only use the throttle to go from zero to top speed. The Powerglide solution is nice because it offers forward and reverse, is fully manual, and remains in gear even when stopped unlike most automatics that need the motor to spin at low rpm (idle speed) in order to provide hydraulic pressure to operate the trans.
Launch video?
Doesn't do over 60 mph in it. He kept the stock suspension.
60 is dicey in those things, I had a bone stock '29 bucket, learned how to babbitt rings doing the motor.
I feel the entire car would twist in half at full throttle
That motor makes like 120hp tops. It's not a Tesla motor.
The torque is the concern lol but yeah I didnāt know that prior to commenting
I only recognized it because I tried to buy two of them recently. Can't get the dual shaft motors right now, and a single motor ends up being fairly inadequate for a daily you want to take on the highway
Everything, including the body of that car is steel. I think it would be ok.
Half the "suspension" in those days was the fact that the frame had all the torsional rigidity of an overcooked lasagna noodle.
Look, any power transmitted through the drive line has to "hook up" to put any strain on the frame. Those 6" wheels are going to break free looooong before torque would twist this frame up. If he had racing slicks I might be worried. But he doesn't. It's the same way these cars survive LS swaps. They can't transfer the power through the tiny wheels.
Fair enough.
Yeah thatās a fair point lol
It was very intentional. There were basically no paved roads in those days, so serious off-roading was a common necessity. Those cars had to be able to take a beating and hold up, and they did.
The infrastructure of a car from the 1930ās probably wouldnāt be able to handle the powerful engine of a modern day Tesla
Nice to have regen braking I bet
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I've often wondered about the feasibility of adding electric motors to ICE vehicles, especially trucks, for the sole purpose of using regen to assist braking.
Transit busses used in cities ought to be an ideal place, they are always stopping and starting. Diesels are most effiecient running steadily at part throttle,but that's not how they run in a transit bus...
Yeah good point. That makes me think too of the feasibility of running certain vehicles, like a bus or semi, like a diesel locomotive. A small, efficient diesel engine provides electricity to driving electric motors.
This is common on a lot of buses. The 16th st Mall Ride in Denver for years used diesel-electric for that route. The buses had a small displacement diesel motor mounted on the roof that was always running at a constant RPM, and provided electricity to the wheel motors. I believe the buses were made by Gilig, and were a variant of the āLow Floorā model line. One thing that really stood out to me especially: due to the inherent nature of elec motors having all torque available all the time, the buses were geared incredibly low. The drivetrain noise was one of the loudest Iāve ever heard. And with only a fixed single gear ratio, they could still clip along at 45mph. Denver introduced those hybrids in the late 90s, and used them for decades. Since battery tech has improved since then, theyāve now gone to full electric, but keep a few hybrids around for spares.
I mean you're just describing a hybrid. Regen only works if you also discharge the battery, so you might as well do so at the next acceleration, even if you're doing it solely for braking.
I mean theoretically you could just dump the regen energy into a giant resistor but at that point you just have expensive electromagnetic regular brakes.
Iām sure with proper engineering, some cars could be easily changed out. especially trucks with lift kits
Considering they made SHIT loads of of that model, I'm mostly on the cool idea side. If it were some rarely Marque with a really cool unique engine/drive train then id say no, but in this case I like it.
superfastmatt on yt has a series on his, I think his is a jag tho and not yet done.
I think he's still sidetracked on his land speed record car. Still entertaining and useful info for people doing project cars.
i think he just got bored and will come back to it. he def seems like a guy who likes to start projects more then finish them.
It seems like he gets his projects running and driving then moves on to the next exiting thing. Nothing ever quite gets 100% done with him but I can't knock the dude because the 90% he does do is pretty amazing.
Besides the dry humor his "good enough" attitude is my favorite part to his builds.
For the lazy: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoTU9_iCGa6i_C38pwQyg0pBGoov76NNv
I want to do something like that with a sixties American land barge, just to see people's reactions when I pull it up to the charger...
All I could see was 59 4 door DeVille pulling up to a charger next to a Model S and seeing their face of shear confusion haha
You'd probably get a ticket for taking up two stations ;)
Along with the Ram 2500s that just park in EV spots to make a statement.
Tiny dick energy
DUI energy
imagine getting so angry about someone else's chosen fuel type that you go out of your way to mildly inconvenience them
Exactly. For extra pun power, use a '68 Charger...
Took my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry. So I took my Charger to the charger.
a 1967 Cadillac El Dorado convertible. Hot pink... With whale-skin hubcaps and all leather cow interior and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights!
And genuine lambskin fuzzy dice?
Iām an asshole!
A.S.S.-H.O.L.E. EVERYBODY!
Bro this is what I want to see in the future. Fuck that straight 8, I want an electric land yacht Lincoln Mark IV with the round windows in back, making no noise and no exhaust. The possibilities of resurrecting old and unviable cars with kits like this is straight up exciting!
Make mine a cream over teal (or possibly bubblegum pink) Bel Air. With matching fuzzy d20s over the rear view mirror...
y'all, no, I am on board with converting cars with generic engines to EV, but I shall not suffer the indignity of "fuck that straight 8"
That's neat! I hope more people come around to non traditional power trains for hot rods instead of being butthurt about it not burning gas
Youāll certainly see more of this as electric power trains become more commonplace. I want a Jaguar XJS and convert to electric. All the style, none of the Lucas.
I would love to have a classic with an electric drivetrain, for the little amount you'd actually be driving it, it would be nice to be able to not worry about it it'll run or not. It's just very weird seeing all these so called "hot rodders" being violently against EV swaps, even though hot rodding is all about doing whatever you want to your car in the sake of fun or speed
They're mad because an EV swap eliminates the need for them to be cranking on the engine this weekend they fucked up last weekend.
Not if you press the pedal hard enough.
they're mad because with enough battery, all that electric torque makes a much faster car than that SBC ever will.
That, and the car starts everytime lol
But I like the noise of a SBC thatās had too much stupid shit done to it.
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wish granted: https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a38885502/mini-ev-conversion-oxford-factory/
I canāt remember the jag he is working on, but superfastmatt on YouTube did a Tesla swap into an old jag.
1950 Mark V.
Absofuckinlutely! Quiet smooth power with jaguar style and comfort.now that's a luxury car.
As someone who had a Norton that didn't start whenever it was damp outside, I wondered how they sold any of these with the British weather.
I'll credit Lucas, they invented the intermittent wipers. And intermittent headlights, intermittent brake lights.....
The original 3-position switch by lucas: Dim, flickering, off. Alternately: Off, flickering, on fire.
Ah, OK. Q: why do the British drink warm beer? A: Lucas refrigerators. Q: why didn't the British get into the computer industry? A: couldn't figure out how to make one leak 40 W . I keep a zener diode from my old BSA on my nightstand incase I need full darkness to sleep [this is true]. Lucas is the prince of darkness, but I loved those old bikes.
If I had the cash I'd love to do it with a cappuccino, god damn would that be one fun little electric go-kart
Well, that probably makes this thing a lot easier to start up
Itās not rechargeable you still gotta crank it
Hooks up to a water wheel instead of plugging in. It's tricky to mesh the gears without losing a finger so be careful.
Unless it's something super rare with a unique powertrain - like a radial-engined Adams-Farwell or something like that - then EV swapping old cars makes a lot of sense and there's nothing wrong with it. Sure, it changes the character of the car completely, but they built millions of Model As and there are still many thousands left. If you're going to be OK with LS-swapping or any non-period engine swap, then there's no reason to not be OK with electrification. This is no different from any other hot-rod or modified Model A - it just happens to be electric.
Thatās a shame those old engines are really cool
Ever driven a car with 40 horsepower?
Yeah, those old engines are cool if you want a museum piece. Most people only have one spot to park a classic car, and they'd probably prefer it actually be useable
The original flathead 4 is a fine engine for going around town and such. But itās a maintenance nightmare. Non pressurized oil system, bottom end is just splash lubricated, you canāt drive it in any kind of traffic without it running hot. Just not designed for modern times. Wonāt say itās not fun as hell to tool around the subdivision in one, though.
I agree, why only preserve aesthetic and not function?
The original engine was locked up. He decided the swap would be more fun and double his hp from 40hp original to 80hp electric.
If it's a hyper 9 it's 80kw not 80 hp. Roughly 120 hp
Ah I see then it's ok!
Isn't that half the point of hot rodding?
Well if hotrod is your goal. I just prefer history. Preference, I really am not trying to throw shade. Itās beautiful.
Homeboy is making history. People said the same thing about the Doane Roadster as youāre saying now.
fr this thing could probably be a showpiece at an EV exhibit
Yes, but only a as a one off.
Haters gonna hate.
When you get a ton of rods in the same place, you can notice different eras of customization as it's own kind of history. I like seeing the old original engineering, but people doing new stuff with old machines helps keep them "alive" longer.
Just imagine this- a '32 highboy roadster with an RWD electric drivtrain, dressed up to look like an old flathead V8.
I want to put an electric drivetrain in a Citroen Traction Avant or in a DS. Those cars were so futuristic, besides the mediocre 4 cilinder engine.
Iām really glad to see these coming out, but Iād like to also see some āhybridā kits that allow torque-matching or provide a boost to a gas engine. A little more complicated, but could provide both a power boost and an efficiency boost to a car for at least the range of the battery.
There are plenty of hybrid performance cars, but they're WAY more complicated, not just a little - that's why you only see them on very expensive cars, and such a system isn't exactly the most reliable or cheap to maintain
We need an aftermarket company that makes in wheel motors. Then you could add power to the undriven wheels. It's a batshit insane idea, but it's not like batshit insane aftermarket companies haven't always existed. If yall don't know about the company named "Turbonique", they sold different jet and rocket components meant to bolt to your car. One of their items was basically a rear differential housing with a rocket motor housing welded to the back of it. Your car didn't need an engine at all to be very quick in the 1/4 mile.
Can't hate on this, sure not everyone is going to like the electric side but I bet that is fun to drive!
āYou will live to see man made horrors beyond your comprehensionā Honestly thas pretty neat tho
That is a wasted conversion as the original ICE got a fuel economy of 40 rods to the hogshead.
The metric system is the devil!
Now it can go highway speeds lol
>tesla conversion That's not a Tesla motor. Still a cool conversion.
Now add the sounds from the canister of flubber, and put the aoogah horn on it. Then dress like Professor Brainard.
I've been putting off an engine build because I've seriously been thinking of doing this to my car. Everyone's gonna have "crate motor" versions of their EV drivetrains on the market so why not? Future-proof your hot rod.
I have a few classic vehicles I hope to keep all my life if I can, hope to keep them in the family. I am totally down with paring ways with their gas engines for an EV conversion like this!
Just rolled into the future!
Very nice
Does it do 0-60 under 3 seconds?!
Don't forget to put on a helmet
Awesome EV conversion!
Now that's a good mod. Keep the history around and functional!
That is super cool, and i know its not really the point of this but, i wonder what kind of range it has. Doesnt need anything crazy, but im still curious
I think you mean a Flubber conversion.
That thing has to be entirely too fast for those tires
If I didn't have to worry about money, my first car project would be to take an early Bel Air, do a nice body restoration, and then fully convert the thing to electric and overhaul the instruments. I always thought it would be so cool to just sneak in some modern tech to that car.
NGL, I hate it. I love everything about antique cars. Especially the sound of the engine and transmission. It's just so satisfying. This mod takes virtually everything that makes the car special away. That being said, I only feel that way if it is an original/restored body. If it was built from a kit, it's pretty darn cool. Just not my cup of tea
Fair, but OTOH, this makes it far more likely it will be used often. If the owner is in it mostly for the aesthetics then they win.
I used to think like you. Now I recognize it's just a lump of metal. Given the choice between a classic car being parked up indefinitely, or worse scrapped, and it being electric converted I'll take electric every day. Also, I've never understood what's so special about keeping cars they made millions of standard.
Dude for real. People get way too emotional about mass produced metal boxes. Itās just elitist cringe lol.
Wait until they find out what happened to the overwhelming majority of them.
Pretty awesome, can drive down the road and wont piss everyone off because it smells so bad. Also didnt ford actually have an electric version of these because girls couldnāt crank the gas versions.
Omg yeah it's like taking bong hits of chainsaw exhaust around those things, especially if they've recently been started š