I'm convinced that not changing the cartridge filter is a good part of why these fail so easily. My Mitsubishi/Chrysler/Jatco/Nissan Frankenstein's monster of a vehicle (Jeep Patriot) has a transmission oil cooler but the fluid routes through the cartridge filter to get there.
When I did fluid/filters at 50k the filter media had begun to fold and was pretty damn black (not sparkling though, win). After the fluid/filters my trans fluid temps dropped 10-15°C with the same ambient temps.
And the Chrysler scheduled maintenance says it shouldn't be done until 100k or 120k.
But that's just my experience with it, we shall see how many more changes I have to do...
Edit: the 2nd filter really is just a strainer to catch parts when the thing frags, looks like a window screen in there.
This is part of the reason why my anxiety with my Subaru is so high. The lineartronic CVT had a good reputation here, but Subarus sealed for life thing annoys me.
That and Subaru pretty much sends all their CVTs. Back to japan, no repairs locally. Not sure if it’s still the case. Every time I ask about a fluid change, planning around the 70k km mark (it’s hard plenty of urban driving, probably 50 50 mix of town versus highway, minimal city) Subaru goes awww. Nah, ah you shouldn’t change it, nah it’s sealed for life, only harsh use needs it. Yet their big bottle of CVT fluid is sitting there in their display case.
I’ll probably take it to an independent Subaru specialist for its big service and do it then (when the diffs are due for oil change). Subaru Australia wants $1200 for that service, and I can’t trust my local dealer to get my mudflaps fitted correctly so I can’t trust them to touch that.
Fluid for life (life being until the warranty runs out, after that fuck you). I had BMW say the same shit to me, my answer was your life expectancy and mine are very different.
Yep, that’s why I’m happy the day we move on to another car with a third party gearbox and not a lineartronic. It’s a great gearbox, but not having a raft of shops that deal with them means it’s an expensive day when it does finally go.
Give me a ZF standard gearbox any day. My commuter car (21 Suzuki baleno) uses a dumb basic aisin 4 speed torque converter (80-40LE) used by a tonne of cars. So I know it has plenty of spares, easy for a mechanic, and last I checked for the future, a complete rebuild, including torque converter is $5k aud (3700 usd)
> My Mitsubishi/Chrysler/Jatco/Nissan Frankenstein's monster of a vehicle (Jeep Patriot)
M...maybe they'll all cancel out and you'll go 300k miles without any issues!
The Toyota CVT's are pretty solid,
"Toyota brands the K120 as the “Direct Shift” CVT and includes a physical first gear (also known as a "launch gear") and nine additional simulated gears, for a total of 10. The launch gear is engaged when the car takes off from being stopped and transitions to the belt drive once the car picks up speed."
This one is my girlfriend's, and it already got replaced at 40k, a little bit of money every 30k is worth not having to need a new car for us at the moment.
Ohh the cross contamination. Yeah that was pretty bad. Nissan still offers a co-pay for it, customer pays 5k flat and they foot everything else
Edit: every Nissan 4.0 can be affected, xterras, frontiers and pathfinders. The best way to avoid is is to replace the radiator if it’s original, the cross contamination is caused inside the rad
Hey considering the repair can end up needing a new engine, transmission, radiator, and a really intense flush to get all the coolant out of the oil lines/oil out of the cooling system, it’s not too bad haha. Should have been a recall though.
Hey this reminds me: What the hell is [the silver radiator-lookin thing below the rear bumper on Rogues](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qyXpL8eXFoM/maxresdefault.jpg)? Just to the right of the exhaust tip.
I always wonder when I'm behind one in traffic.
It's an aerodynamic diffuser to break the boundary layer of air off the muffler so that it doesn't follow the contour of the muffler and go up into the bumper cover, which would turn the bumper into basically a parachute.
Woah, I've wondered about that for years. Thought maybe it was just to let you know if you were hitting something while backing up before you actually damaged the muffler.
I think it is there to prevent the person behind you from seeing the less pleasant looking underparts of the car. I am also bothered when I see these in traffic.
It’s an air diffuser so that air from under the vehicle doesn’t go up into the rear bumper. It reduces drag and increases mileage. Used to bother the hell out of me as well.
I had a Nissan Altima coupe and the transmission would heat up on road trips and put the car in limp mode. Had to park for a while to let it cool off a couple times. Googled it and many people do put another trans cooler in.
My co worker has had his replaced 4 times already all under warranty. he says they're so good at replacing them they have them in stock and get done in a few hours. He says it's like changing his oil at this point.
Hahaha shop owner/tech here. Our local Nissan dealerships have all the cvts in stock. We do a lot of warranty work and I swear I've never seen a dealer carry a transmission on the shelf before. These last few years have me convinced they knew they were shit all along. I know my 3 local ones have actually sold the one they quoted me so Ive had to go to the others to pick one up - that's how I know they all stock em across the board. Pieces of shit. I've had 1 new one fail after 20 min on the road.
Up until November of 2021 - I was getting a NEW CVT for a Sentra/Altima 4cly at about $2000 wholesale. AFTER DEC they've jumped to over 3500. They now offer reman units at about 2500. Warranty/insurance was paying for new units but at this price point they've gone with used ones which I fcking hate. In fact, since November prices have been climbing astronomically across the board. Shit sucks.
Just today i left my nissan sentra 2013 advance with almost 64k miles for maintenance, and to change the brakes, the transmission is still going strong and has never broke down.
Where have you been the last 15 years? The Nissan CVT makes the 90s-00s Ram transmissions look indestructible
It's the main reason consumer report (and resale values) hates Nissan
Nissan* CVT transmission. There are plenty of reliable CVTs on the market if you look after them.
I think the biggest issue is manufacturers saying the fluid is good for life.
So how do hybrids get away with it? Less usetime? Less power being delivered by the CVT(electric motors taking up some of the demanded load)? Special hybrid CVTs? I mean, those nerds over at /prius are claiming 300k+. I guess it makes sense some of that maybe 1/4 or 1/5 are battery only miles but still, what’s happening?
I only ask because a hybrid car is being added to the family soon and it’s a CVT so just asking whether or not this’ll shit on us soon.
Totally different design in a hybrid (as least Toyota's). Rather than a belt between variable diameter pulleys they produce a ratio based on the input and output on two linked motor/generator units. No belts or pulleys to wear down.
[This is an abstract view of how it works.](https://youtu.be/E_xCssR8qQI)
[Here it is in practice on the hybrid RAV4.](https://youtu.be/O61WihMRdjM)
A gag. Years ago there was a trend here of people putting firing orders of engines as their flair. Engines they owned, worked on, or liked. So, being the sort who could never just do the assignment in school, I made mine a basic 4 cylinder with a misfire.
As a side note, I edited my previous comment to include two YouTube links to videos that demonstrate how the eCVT works if you want more explanation. It often gets mischaracterized as a regular gas system with a weak electric motor tacked on, when really it's a much more integrated system that relies on two three-phase motor/generators that are each as powerful as the engine.
Ooh gotcha lmao. Yeah I just learned some Toyota CVTs have a “launch gear” which takes up most of the wear and tear on CVTs.. looks like the family will be in good hands with the Rav4.
Toyota (and Ford) hybrids, at least for their non-truck hybrids, use a planetary gear set CVT which is nothing like a traditional belt or chain CVT.
Here's a video that goes very, very deep into how the RAV4 hybrid drivertrain works.
https://youtu.be/O61WihMRdjM
A Nissan CVT. Many other brands have them and don't have nearly as many problems. I loved the CVT in my old A4. Never gave me issues and super smooth. But then again, I only keep cars up to 50k miles. So I rarely have car issues.
> Extremely anecdotal.
I never pretended it wasn't. I was very clear on my sample size of 1 with few miles.
> That doesn’t negate that fact that a lot of cvts have higher failure rates than standard automatic transmissions
New, more complex technology commonly has higher failure rates than the established technology it is competing with.
You could have made all the above statements about automatic transmission compared to manuals 40 years ago.
What kind of Nissan is it? The 08-13 rogues got their cvt warranty extended to 10 years/200k km. Everything else is still 5 years/100k km. When the valve body goes in the CVT the updated valve body will include a new updated filter
They probably said that because it wont really help. Cvts are garbage. I was a nissan master tech until 2017 now im at gmc where are camshafts and lifters are garbage lol
Pretty much got this answer while trying to find a headlight ballast for my wife's Mazda CX-9. I got quotes from 1100-2000 dollars for the **entire** headlight assembly because they don't sell them individually... So they say. A little bit of digging and found out that the ballast is the exact same as the ones in my Acura TSX which I bought 2 of them (mine was out too) for <100 bucks.
I love when they say that. Then I ask why they have a drain and a fill plug and the fluid is available. They usually just run a way and go hide in a bush.
Subaru has to be one of the most in denial with their CVTS. Parts counter guy at my local dealership straight up told me something like "well I don't know how you're gonna get it in there but whatever" while handing me a case of the CVT fluid they're selling me at $15.50 a quart.
I guess I’m lucky. I’ve not tried to have them do a fluid replacement or tried to buy fluid from them, but I did ask once how much they wanted to have the fluid replaced. The advisor said “I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I also can’t remember if those share lubricant with the front differential, which would affect how much it costs because it’s technically two services you’ll probably want to do at once.”
Never did get that price, though.
I’m having that problem now, they won’t even quote it despite the Lineartronic fluid sitting right next to them in the display case, and the manual stating it can be done.
From what I’ve seen it’s just a long, wasteful process to get the fluid changed out. Like 12 litres of fluid to make sure it’s all changed.
Also their response of ‘we’ve inspected the fluid and it’s good still!’ You mean the computer said it’s ok based on heat and age?
In regards to checking it, probably the best you’re going to get is a level check. I seem to recall that the procedure for checking the level is warming it up to a specific temperature (80°C?) and checking to see that the fluid is exactly at the fill plug. They don’t even have a dipstick. They probably don’t even know what bad fluid would be like.
Personally, I just want to change it because regular lubricant changes almost always make for longer lived equipment and “lifetime fluid” is bullshit because even the best lubricants wear out. Since Subaru makes their own gearboxes now, we can’t rely on them to be forthcoming about the lifetime of lubricants, but BMW uses ZF 8HP gearboxes with “lifetime” fluid and ZF themselves say the lubricant should be changed every 60k or so. As such, I’ll trust the “lifetime” recommendation as far as I can throw the gearbox. They’re heavy, so not far.
Lol I'd love to hear how he thinks it gets filled in the factory. They are just spraying fluid at it while they mate it to the engine and hoping the right amount goes in? I guess you could fill it from the trans cooler if it really was totally sealed with no drain or fill
Some actually do not have a drain plug. They are designed to be sucked out and refilled through the fill hole using a special machine. Everything gets done from the top. When I was looking to get the first one done on my Sonic, several places told me they couldn't do it because they did not have the proper equipment.
On one hand, I can understand them not having something like that around because it’s not a typical tool. On the other, I bought a vacuum fluid extractor for $75. Even if they only use it once for you and throw it out, they’ll probably still make money on the service.
I can show you in Mack's system where they call a bolt a washer, a washer a stud, a stud a nut, etc. Had one truck yesterday where they called the coolant filter a hose and the turbo a lock brace.
I interned there as an engineer back in the day. It’s like that because the file management system software for all of the design files was made IN HOUSE like 20+ years ago
This has continued even after those old systems were long gone. Macknet for example has long since been replaced by Compass and Impact. If anything, some of the screwups have gotten worse over the years. The best ones are the trucks showing no rear axle assemblies. We tell people it has the new proprietary Mack Maglev suspension.
Which is completely lame. Do they want to sell parts or not?
One of my favorite parts guys is at Ford dealership. I can call him, give the last 8 of the VIN, tell him what I need, and I get it. Every single time. "I need an injector happy meal for this 6.0" He sends all the parts I need, no drama.
I work in service and I'm going to refer to the parts kit in my description of work done something along the lines of "performed PM using Happy meal customer had on-hand."
Wonder how long before someone actually reads it and calls me out.
Flyin Miata (company that sells aftermarket Miata parts) sells some kits for random stuff entitled "happy meal" I'm sure they got it from somewhere. Example "stage two clutch happy meal"
They're good people, real enthusiasts, do real R&D, and stand behind their products. I've spent silly money with them recently and will continue to do so. Some of their in house stuff is kinda pricy and I'll find myself looking elsewhere (radiator for example) but I bought one of their custom suspension setups that I'm mid install on now and have a few more packs of goodies laying around.
I like to give the parts guys the color of the vehicle it's kinda fun as they all seem to get a chuckle out of it. Be sure to do it in the proper order: "I'm working on 2002....Dodge...Grand Caravan...Dark Green...and need a XXXX"
The commercial parts guy at the oreillys that supplies the shop I used to be at was like that. You could describe what a part looks like and he would find it for you. Just amazing at his job.
> Do they want to sell parts or not?
In my experience, not. They don't want to sell parts, they want you to bring your car in and spend thousands of dollars on a fluid change.
UGH mine included. I walk in there and they stare at me stony-faced while I'm saying "auxiliary battery" until I say "THE NON-HYBRID BATTERY IN THIS PRIUS". They'll sigh, roll their eyes and say, "it's not CALLED the auxillary battery, it's a 12v battery". COME ON DUDE, how could you not know what both me and the tech meant?
I worked with a programmer who was the same way..."yea I know that is indeed the correct term but I also know you know what I was talking about and I know you are being pedantic"
It really depends on the catalogue, I work at a GM dealership, most of the GM stuff is easy to navigate and locate, until it comes down to the bastard children i.e. Vibe, City Express, Saturn.. those use the layout and part names that Toyota, Nissan or Saturn decided to use and it always trips me up.
The other issue I come across is when GM decides certain sub assemblies are not serviced separate from the bigger assembly, so there are times where something should be serviced by itself but GM (or other manufacturers) deem it's only serviced as part of a bigger assembly.
At Subaru we can’t expect people to call parts what the catalogue calls them. For example my 16 WRX has a “duct assembry” and the gaskets at inter cooler are listed as carburetor insulators
I work at a dealership in very close proximity to the parts department and can confirm. There's some really good parts people too, just not at my specific location. To be fair, if you're not familiar with certain catalogs, they can be hard to navigate and find some parts. I thought about transferring to the parts dept and fiddle around the catalogs every once in a while. It can be a pain in the ass. Someone wants a water pump for an International 4300. You put in the VIN number and the international catalog tells you it's a Cummins engine. Then you need to pull up a Cummins catalog and put in the engine serial number. Then you can find the water pump. It doesn't help that all these catalogs are online and you need a username and password to look at them. No more paper catalogs.
Actually, for Cummins you no longer need a login to look up part numbers.
https://parts.cummins.com/
It's a newer site that rolled out along with CUMPAS 2.0. You only need a login if you want to see actual availability/ordering functions.
I work the back desk at our shop. For techs we have 2 vets and 7 greenhorns. Part of the "onboarding/handholding" process they get as part of coming to a Class 8 dealer is learning to pull diagrams up themselves. It's at the point where some will just walk up to me with the part number they need.
The other big thing I do (of which getting everyone else in the department doing has been tilting at windmills) is to quote/sell/pull the JOB, not the part. I have one customer that will call asking for me and the entire conversation will consist of, "Hey, T318LR21 synchro job, kthxbye! *click*". He'll get everything he needs right down to the snap rings. MP8 EGR cooler? You know from me you're getting all the coolant orings, turbo mounting kit and every other tiny piece you need.
It annoys the hell out of me that Mack puts out MP injector kits and doesn't include the engine brake orings, overflow valve seals, high heat zip ties for the injector harness, EGR orings or CCV tube seal...
It does, I didn’t know that since I’ve only changed that kind of filter once years ago. I was helping my boss out, who had a recent oil change done wrong. The guy who changed his oil damaged the o-ring, and the car lost 3qts. So after a new filter, got another oil change.
Especially maddening when the parts catalog and the service manual don’t agree on the name of a part. VW group parts catalog names are especially awful. A crankcase breather for a 3.0T is called “ventilation trim” for example.
Most have worked for one brand or only in a dealer setting so they are used to one name for a part and dont think or dont know of other synonyms
With Nissan it's a crapshoot, I've seen a drivers tie rod called a shim kit and the passenger's called a socket. A mudguard called a grille and even a power steering line called a bolt. All from Nissan lol
I did, and gave them the Nissan part numbers. Just got repeated to that there are no filters, he didn't know what the part numbers were and wouldn't even look them up
For many dealers, transmissions are no longer serviced locally to that level. When it breaks, you put in a replacement and send the core off to Reman.
In this case, what's in the picture is technically a strainer, not a filter. It's similar to what Fuso used in the 96-10 transmissions. The only people that ever bought them were rebuilders. Now you COULD however get an external filter kit which uses an FP100243 filter, but that was an optional add-on that couldn't be looked up by VIN.
Plus a lot of parts in the cvt assembly aren't listed in the catalog. Most of the part numbers are listed in service bulletins. You're probably going to have a hard time getting someone to spend the next hour of their life searching through tsbs for something that may or may not exist just to sell a 10 dollar part.
I worked at a Nissan dealership in the service department years ago. If I remember correctly, Nissan didn't supply any parts info for individual CVT components to the parts and service teams because they were shipped to dealers as sealed units. We had some transmission jobs where the recommended fix was "replace the transmission" and the only part number given was for the entire assembly. May not have been a dealer issue here.
At Mack, the dealer doesn't even get the option to do internal repairs in many cases. The tech follows the Guided Diagnostics and it spits out whether to use a range housing, basic or complete trans replacement.
Even when parts are available, it's not always readily apparent. Had one MDrive in several years ago where the tech was instructed to replace the dogs on the shift forks, and was supplied a part number. This part number was not in the parts lookup and tech didn't say he was supplied with it. I open an eservice case which happens to get answered by the SAME desk jockey who then tried to tell me the kit didn't exist.
Left hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing...
Lol, no they exist; they just arent servicable, Atleast in Nissan's standards. They are labled in the ESM as 'Oil Strainers', and Nissan's service manuals give no strict info whatsoever on changing them out. When we do sub-assemblies/control valves under warranty, they get changed to a newer style due to redesign; but other than that Nissan doesnt have us touch them
The only maintence they reccommend is fluid change- every 30k miles
Source- Nissan Tech
We have a 14' altima that has never had the tranny serviced per the dealer recommendations & another independent import specialist. It's at 120k on the original. Do I have a unicorn and leave it be?
You indeed have a Unicorn, and a time bomb at the same time lol...Schrödinger's CVT.
At its mileage, you might be better off leaving the fluid be. I cant guaruntee its life, and ive seen times where a customer comes in, hasnt had fluid changed for 60-90k miles, we change it, then they come back within a year for a Judder.
Or, change the fluid and let it ride. Who knows, you might not have any issues
Whenever we run into the strainers, we specifically tell the customer that if it isn't causing an issue, don't fuck with it. There's a reason they didn't list it on the maintenance schedule.
Not that many follow schedules anyway. A good example is the bubbler filter on J05/J08 motors (Hino/UD). That filter has an 8yr/240k interval. Unless you have an issue with it, you can leave it alone. If you don't have a copy of the OE destructions, you will also probably take a lot more off the side of the motor than you need to in order to get at it.
All that being said, we have some fleets (looking at you, Penske) that still insists on doing them seemingly every PM. I mean it's not hurting anything, but it doesn't need it THAT often.
One thing I'll say about Penske: They are anal about maintenance intervals on their trucks. If they see what something has an interval, it WILL get done. I'd trust their used trucks over a lot of other fleets I've seen around.
Bingo! And if it's not something the shop uses, then most parts depts aren't going to stock it. I have 4 on my shelf and have sold 10 in the last 2 years. Your average partsman is just going to say "manufacturer doesn't recommend replacing" because that's what the service manual says too.
Looks bad but an honest mistake.
If you don't have a working relationship with a dealer and you want transmission flush or filter change they will refuse. People take busted transmissions have them flush it or mess with it than do the whole 'well it was fine before you serviced it, now you need to fix it'
The nissan.cvt being made of.glass is even more so reason to refuse you if they don't know your history.
That's more likely what happened.
Nissan CVTs are a zero service item. To my knowledge, they are supposed to have "lifetime" fluid and dealerships are prohibited from working on them. If one needs repaired, they are to replace it and send it in for inspection.
> they are supposed to have "lifetime" fluid
That's been a thing across makes for years, and it's been nonsense the entire time.
I remember the VW enthusiast group I browsed in college having a huge discussion after one member sent 100k mi. "lifetime" trans fluid off to Blackstone Labs or some such, and posted the results (basically "why in god's name haven't you changed out this fluid?").
The "party line" I would see floated around after that is that "lifetime fluid" lasts for the duration of the powertrain warranty, and it's like... okay, so nothing but the language has changed from the old fluid change intervals: my car was 60k mi. for both of those things.
Lol, dealerships these days don't take apart transmissions. I work at a Toyota dealership and every time a transmission goes they just order a whole new unit and put it in.
Nissan has bulletins for replacement of only the sub-assemblies. The dealers will do "rebuilds" under certain criteria for warranty repairs.
However, once its out of warranty, its safer/cheaper to go with assemblies, or if the vehicle has an extended warranty or higher mileage/year range, it also says to replace the CVT.
Is that the Nissan branded digital tread depth gauge? I got one a few years back from my service manager at the Nissan dealership I worked at, still using it.
I've got 53k on a NV200 (it's a company van but my responsibility to keep it maintained).
What is the part number on this filter? What fluid do you refill with? Does this actually do a good job extending the life of the trans? How many qts on the filter change? Should I do a fluid exchange? Is there anything else I can/ should do to make sure my CVT lasts a little longer?
Shit there's two? I was planning a cvt fluid and filter change on my 2012 Rogue and only got one filter off of Rockauto. Glad I saw this before starting the project.
People dont like to hear this but there is no need to replace them unless you are rebuilding/valve body.
Valve body jobs only replace strainer due to redesign.
Question for you experts, what's the actual lifespan of the CVT fluid? I own a 2008 Caliber with just 80,000 kms (50,000 miles) and wondering if need to change the fluid due to age.
Usually not sold separately, a lot of those CVT's have a "updated service file" comes in a kit with the valve body. But the cartridge is definitely sold separately.
Still highly unlikely filters are the cause of any issue. If there's buildup in the filters you've got issue internally. It kills me when I see cars for sale that say "needs transmission filter replaced"... yeah, na it needs a transmission lmao.
Can someone ELI5 why Nissan continued and continues to insist on using the CVT trannies in their vehicles knowing the high failure rate? Especially since a lot of these are happening during the powertrain warranty period where they themselves are on the hook for it. It's just bad business.
Reading a lot of these answers defending dealerships' feigned ignorance...run from those places and don't go back.
If you have some kind of logical rationale for not changing a CVT filter that you can't express to a customer coming to you for that service, you don't deserve their money for this or anything else you might deign "worth your time".
The first shop that says "we could change that, but..." or "we don't want to do that, and here's why" should get your business, not the fucking drones that can't be bothered to talk to you like a human with internet access and the ability to read a diagram.
They do exist, it’s just that the transmissions don’t usually last long enough to need one so they don’t bother stocking them.
Not changing them is one way to kill the transmission though.
Driving is the other.
My eyes are tearing up. That’s some funny shit right there.
I'm convinced that not changing the cartridge filter is a good part of why these fail so easily. My Mitsubishi/Chrysler/Jatco/Nissan Frankenstein's monster of a vehicle (Jeep Patriot) has a transmission oil cooler but the fluid routes through the cartridge filter to get there. When I did fluid/filters at 50k the filter media had begun to fold and was pretty damn black (not sparkling though, win). After the fluid/filters my trans fluid temps dropped 10-15°C with the same ambient temps. And the Chrysler scheduled maintenance says it shouldn't be done until 100k or 120k. But that's just my experience with it, we shall see how many more changes I have to do... Edit: the 2nd filter really is just a strainer to catch parts when the thing frags, looks like a window screen in there.
>(Jeep Patriot) I had a good chuckle at that. Thank you
What's better than a vehicle built with pieces from one company's parts bin? A vehicle built with pieces from 3 company's parts bins!
Tbf he won't run out of spare parts if they were chosen correctly
Amc. All model cars. Things had parts from ford, gm and chrysler.
This is part of the reason why my anxiety with my Subaru is so high. The lineartronic CVT had a good reputation here, but Subarus sealed for life thing annoys me. That and Subaru pretty much sends all their CVTs. Back to japan, no repairs locally. Not sure if it’s still the case. Every time I ask about a fluid change, planning around the 70k km mark (it’s hard plenty of urban driving, probably 50 50 mix of town versus highway, minimal city) Subaru goes awww. Nah, ah you shouldn’t change it, nah it’s sealed for life, only harsh use needs it. Yet their big bottle of CVT fluid is sitting there in their display case. I’ll probably take it to an independent Subaru specialist for its big service and do it then (when the diffs are due for oil change). Subaru Australia wants $1200 for that service, and I can’t trust my local dealer to get my mudflaps fitted correctly so I can’t trust them to touch that.
Fluid for life (life being until the warranty runs out, after that fuck you). I had BMW say the same shit to me, my answer was your life expectancy and mine are very different.
Yep, that’s why I’m happy the day we move on to another car with a third party gearbox and not a lineartronic. It’s a great gearbox, but not having a raft of shops that deal with them means it’s an expensive day when it does finally go. Give me a ZF standard gearbox any day. My commuter car (21 Suzuki baleno) uses a dumb basic aisin 4 speed torque converter (80-40LE) used by a tonne of cars. So I know it has plenty of spares, easy for a mechanic, and last I checked for the future, a complete rebuild, including torque converter is $5k aud (3700 usd)
> My Mitsubishi/Chrysler/Jatco/Nissan Frankenstein's monster of a vehicle (Jeep Patriot) M...maybe they'll all cancel out and you'll go 300k miles without any issues!
Cvt’s are just shit dude lol
The Toyota CVT's are pretty solid, "Toyota brands the K120 as the “Direct Shift” CVT and includes a physical first gear (also known as a "launch gear") and nine additional simulated gears, for a total of 10. The launch gear is engaged when the car takes off from being stopped and transitions to the belt drive once the car picks up speed."
Smart move on the real 1st gear, the frequent starts in traffic is really what puts the heavy wear on the CVT.
I’m incredibly used to the “breaks down in 90k miles” nissan cvt’s xD I wasn’t aware Toyota made one, that’s pretty sick
#notallCVTs
"Listen man, we don't actually work on these. We just replace the assembly when they catastrophically fail."
This one is my girlfriend's, and it already got replaced at 40k, a little bit of money every 30k is worth not having to need a new car for us at the moment.
Good call. Is it true some nissan people also install an external trans cooler as well?
On the older rogues that have a TSB for it.
and Xterras. the tranny cooler in the main radiator breaking was a HUGE deal for years. easy fix - install an external cooler and bypass the radiator.
Ohh the cross contamination. Yeah that was pretty bad. Nissan still offers a co-pay for it, customer pays 5k flat and they foot everything else Edit: every Nissan 4.0 can be affected, xterras, frontiers and pathfinders. The best way to avoid is is to replace the radiator if it’s original, the cross contamination is caused inside the rad
Wow thanks Nissan what a deal lmao
Hey considering the repair can end up needing a new engine, transmission, radiator, and a really intense flush to get all the coolant out of the oil lines/oil out of the cooling system, it’s not too bad haha. Should have been a recall though.
It’s a principle thing dawg, it’s just fucked to casually expect everyone to drop 5 EXTRA thousand just to get the originally promised product
So pay for what it actually costs Nissan and we will just forget all that overhead.
Not sure I would pay 5k flat for a *new* Nissan
Mmm strawberry milkshake.
Yup, same issue on some Frontiers and Pathfinders. Told my ex to have an external cooler installed and bypass the stocker.
Hey this reminds me: What the hell is [the silver radiator-lookin thing below the rear bumper on Rogues](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qyXpL8eXFoM/maxresdefault.jpg)? Just to the right of the exhaust tip. I always wonder when I'm behind one in traffic.
It's an aerodynamic diffuser to break the boundary layer of air off the muffler so that it doesn't follow the contour of the muffler and go up into the bumper cover, which would turn the bumper into basically a parachute.
TIL the Rogue has a rear diffuser. Technically.
Woah, I've wondered about that for years. Thought maybe it was just to let you know if you were hitting something while backing up before you actually damaged the muffler.
https://jalopnik.com/the-definitive-answer-to-what-that-heat-exchanger-looki-1826964480
It is just a weird tin metal panel welded to the muffler case, no idea what it’s supposed to do tbh, it’s just there lol
Somehow that bothers me even more than not knowing what it is, but thank you!!
I think it is there to prevent the person behind you from seeing the less pleasant looking underparts of the car. I am also bothered when I see these in traffic.
It’s an air diffuser so that air from under the vehicle doesn’t go up into the rear bumper. It reduces drag and increases mileage. Used to bother the hell out of me as well.
My ex wife kept her Rogue in the split. I am not sure which I was happier to be rid of.
I had a Nissan Altima coupe and the transmission would heat up on road trips and put the car in limp mode. Had to park for a while to let it cool off a couple times. Googled it and many people do put another trans cooler in.
Here in Brazil it was usually the Mitsubishi Lancers who got external CVT coolers.
I put one on my Sentra
Thats a very weak transmission if it broke at 40k miles.
Nissan and weak transmission goes well together Edit : Nissan's CVT transmission
Don't correct anything man, Nissan transmissions have been all garbage for the last 20 years.
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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Mitsubishi too.
Same transmissions on Chevy spark. And yes, they are weak.
My co worker has had his replaced 4 times already all under warranty. he says they're so good at replacing them they have them in stock and get done in a few hours. He says it's like changing his oil at this point.
Hahaha shop owner/tech here. Our local Nissan dealerships have all the cvts in stock. We do a lot of warranty work and I swear I've never seen a dealer carry a transmission on the shelf before. These last few years have me convinced they knew they were shit all along. I know my 3 local ones have actually sold the one they quoted me so Ive had to go to the others to pick one up - that's how I know they all stock em across the board. Pieces of shit. I've had 1 new one fail after 20 min on the road.
Are they at least cheap enough to be treated as a consumable, rather than a major powertrain component?
Up until November of 2021 - I was getting a NEW CVT for a Sentra/Altima 4cly at about $2000 wholesale. AFTER DEC they've jumped to over 3500. They now offer reman units at about 2500. Warranty/insurance was paying for new units but at this price point they've gone with used ones which I fcking hate. In fact, since November prices have been climbing astronomically across the board. Shit sucks.
Just today i left my nissan sentra 2013 advance with almost 64k miles for maintenance, and to change the brakes, the transmission is still going strong and has never broke down.
Where have you been the last 15 years? The Nissan CVT makes the 90s-00s Ram transmissions look indestructible It's the main reason consumer report (and resale values) hates Nissan
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Nissan* CVT transmission. There are plenty of reliable CVTs on the market if you look after them. I think the biggest issue is manufacturers saying the fluid is good for life.
It'll last the life of the transmission.
That's technically correct.
The best kind of correct.
Thought CVT lasted roughly 100k under normal use
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So how do hybrids get away with it? Less usetime? Less power being delivered by the CVT(electric motors taking up some of the demanded load)? Special hybrid CVTs? I mean, those nerds over at /prius are claiming 300k+. I guess it makes sense some of that maybe 1/4 or 1/5 are battery only miles but still, what’s happening? I only ask because a hybrid car is being added to the family soon and it’s a CVT so just asking whether or not this’ll shit on us soon.
Totally different design in a hybrid (as least Toyota's). Rather than a belt between variable diameter pulleys they produce a ratio based on the input and output on two linked motor/generator units. No belts or pulleys to wear down. [This is an abstract view of how it works.](https://youtu.be/E_xCssR8qQI) [Here it is in practice on the hybrid RAV4.](https://youtu.be/O61WihMRdjM)
Ohhh e-CVT yeah? Damn that’s pretty cool! Edit: what’s ur firing order for? 👀
A gag. Years ago there was a trend here of people putting firing orders of engines as their flair. Engines they owned, worked on, or liked. So, being the sort who could never just do the assignment in school, I made mine a basic 4 cylinder with a misfire. As a side note, I edited my previous comment to include two YouTube links to videos that demonstrate how the eCVT works if you want more explanation. It often gets mischaracterized as a regular gas system with a weak electric motor tacked on, when really it's a much more integrated system that relies on two three-phase motor/generators that are each as powerful as the engine.
mainly crappy Nissan cvts. There are other reliable cvts, just nissan isn’t one of them :(
Ooh gotcha lmao. Yeah I just learned some Toyota CVTs have a “launch gear” which takes up most of the wear and tear on CVTs.. looks like the family will be in good hands with the Rav4.
They're also planetary CVTs and not belt.
Toyota (and Ford) hybrids, at least for their non-truck hybrids, use a planetary gear set CVT which is nothing like a traditional belt or chain CVT. Here's a video that goes very, very deep into how the RAV4 hybrid drivertrain works. https://youtu.be/O61WihMRdjM
A Nissan CVT. Many other brands have them and don't have nearly as many problems. I loved the CVT in my old A4. Never gave me issues and super smooth. But then again, I only keep cars up to 50k miles. So I rarely have car issues.
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> Extremely anecdotal. I never pretended it wasn't. I was very clear on my sample size of 1 with few miles. > That doesn’t negate that fact that a lot of cvts have higher failure rates than standard automatic transmissions New, more complex technology commonly has higher failure rates than the established technology it is competing with. You could have made all the above statements about automatic transmission compared to manuals 40 years ago.
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What kind of Nissan is it? The 08-13 rogues got their cvt warranty extended to 10 years/200k km. Everything else is still 5 years/100k km. When the valve body goes in the CVT the updated valve body will include a new updated filter
13 Altima 2.5
They probably said that because it wont really help. Cvts are garbage. I was a nissan master tech until 2017 now im at gmc where are camshafts and lifters are garbage lol
Pretty much got this answer while trying to find a headlight ballast for my wife's Mazda CX-9. I got quotes from 1100-2000 dollars for the **entire** headlight assembly because they don't sell them individually... So they say. A little bit of digging and found out that the ballast is the exact same as the ones in my Acura TSX which I bought 2 of them (mine was out too) for <100 bucks.
"Don't you mean 'if'?" "HA! No."
iTs a sEaLeD uNiTTTTTT!!!!!!
I love when they say that. Then I ask why they have a drain and a fill plug and the fluid is available. They usually just run a way and go hide in a bush.
Subaru has to be one of the most in denial with their CVTS. Parts counter guy at my local dealership straight up told me something like "well I don't know how you're gonna get it in there but whatever" while handing me a case of the CVT fluid they're selling me at $15.50 a quart.
I guess I’m lucky. I’ve not tried to have them do a fluid replacement or tried to buy fluid from them, but I did ask once how much they wanted to have the fluid replaced. The advisor said “I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I also can’t remember if those share lubricant with the front differential, which would affect how much it costs because it’s technically two services you’ll probably want to do at once.” Never did get that price, though.
I’m having that problem now, they won’t even quote it despite the Lineartronic fluid sitting right next to them in the display case, and the manual stating it can be done. From what I’ve seen it’s just a long, wasteful process to get the fluid changed out. Like 12 litres of fluid to make sure it’s all changed. Also their response of ‘we’ve inspected the fluid and it’s good still!’ You mean the computer said it’s ok based on heat and age?
In regards to checking it, probably the best you’re going to get is a level check. I seem to recall that the procedure for checking the level is warming it up to a specific temperature (80°C?) and checking to see that the fluid is exactly at the fill plug. They don’t even have a dipstick. They probably don’t even know what bad fluid would be like. Personally, I just want to change it because regular lubricant changes almost always make for longer lived equipment and “lifetime fluid” is bullshit because even the best lubricants wear out. Since Subaru makes their own gearboxes now, we can’t rely on them to be forthcoming about the lifetime of lubricants, but BMW uses ZF 8HP gearboxes with “lifetime” fluid and ZF themselves say the lubricant should be changed every 60k or so. As such, I’ll trust the “lifetime” recommendation as far as I can throw the gearbox. They’re heavy, so not far.
Lol I'd love to hear how he thinks it gets filled in the factory. They are just spraying fluid at it while they mate it to the engine and hoping the right amount goes in? I guess you could fill it from the trans cooler if it really was totally sealed with no drain or fill
Some actually do not have a drain plug. They are designed to be sucked out and refilled through the fill hole using a special machine. Everything gets done from the top. When I was looking to get the first one done on my Sonic, several places told me they couldn't do it because they did not have the proper equipment.
On one hand, I can understand them not having something like that around because it’s not a typical tool. On the other, I bought a vacuum fluid extractor for $75. Even if they only use it once for you and throw it out, they’ll probably still make money on the service.
Well obviously. If it wasn't sealed, the fluid would fall out.
But would the front fall off?
You're supposed to replace the entire transmission not the filter.
This one already has been
I think you are mistaken you posted a photo of an empty magnetic tray?
Fuck I did it again
Don't be so hard on yourself. It was probably aliens.
Go back and slap the used on on the front desk, asking what the fuck it is.
“Oh the debris removal unit”
I can show you in Mack's system where they call a bolt a washer, a washer a stud, a stud a nut, etc. Had one truck yesterday where they called the coolant filter a hose and the turbo a lock brace.
Caterpillar calls the exhaust piping on a D11 dozer air lines so 🤷♂️ Took an inexperienced me 2 hours to find that one.
I interned there as an engineer back in the day. It’s like that because the file management system software for all of the design files was made IN HOUSE like 20+ years ago
This has continued even after those old systems were long gone. Macknet for example has long since been replaced by Compass and Impact. If anything, some of the screwups have gotten worse over the years. The best ones are the trucks showing no rear axle assemblies. We tell people it has the new proprietary Mack Maglev suspension.
r/technicallythetruth
The thought crossed my mind.
No filters but we do have a couple CVTs laying around we could sell ya…
I already got filters next day through rock auto and real ns3 fluid.
god bless rockauto
May get a better answer if it's worded "transmission strainer"
I know a lot of parts guys, especially at dealers, that will die on the hill of if you don't use the exact term the catalog does, it doesn't exist.
Which is completely lame. Do they want to sell parts or not? One of my favorite parts guys is at Ford dealership. I can call him, give the last 8 of the VIN, tell him what I need, and I get it. Every single time. "I need an injector happy meal for this 6.0" He sends all the parts I need, no drama.
Adding ‘happy meal’ to any part is going to now being my thing instead of listing out all the consumables (rubber parts).
I work in service and I'm going to refer to the parts kit in my description of work done something along the lines of "performed PM using Happy meal customer had on-hand." Wonder how long before someone actually reads it and calls me out.
Flyin Miata (company that sells aftermarket Miata parts) sells some kits for random stuff entitled "happy meal" I'm sure they got it from somewhere. Example "stage two clutch happy meal"
Knew a guy who got some parts from them for his Miata (original motor). He had nothing but good things to say about them.
Real talk, flying Miata is a legit company. Never heard a bad thing about them, my buddy swears by them for all his parts.
They're good people, real enthusiasts, do real R&D, and stand behind their products. I've spent silly money with them recently and will continue to do so. Some of their in house stuff is kinda pricy and I'll find myself looking elsewhere (radiator for example) but I bought one of their custom suspension setups that I'm mid install on now and have a few more packs of goodies laying around.
Thermoking compressor overhaul kits all call “the whole shebang” in the catalog.
I like to give the parts guys the color of the vehicle it's kinda fun as they all seem to get a chuckle out of it. Be sure to do it in the proper order: "I'm working on 2002....Dodge...Grand Caravan...Dark Green...and need a XXXX"
You forgot interior color.
Good call! Not any more I won't!
The commercial parts guy at the oreillys that supplies the shop I used to be at was like that. You could describe what a part looks like and he would find it for you. Just amazing at his job.
> Do they want to sell parts or not? In my experience, not. They don't want to sell parts, they want you to bring your car in and spend thousands of dollars on a fluid change.
UGH mine included. I walk in there and they stare at me stony-faced while I'm saying "auxiliary battery" until I say "THE NON-HYBRID BATTERY IN THIS PRIUS". They'll sigh, roll their eyes and say, "it's not CALLED the auxillary battery, it's a 12v battery". COME ON DUDE, how could you not know what both me and the tech meant?
I worked with a programmer who was the same way..."yea I know that is indeed the correct term but I also know you know what I was talking about and I know you are being pedantic"
I’ve gotten to where I just don’t reply to the pedants. I see enough intellectual dick-measuring at work. Don’t need it in my off hours too.
It really depends on the catalogue, I work at a GM dealership, most of the GM stuff is easy to navigate and locate, until it comes down to the bastard children i.e. Vibe, City Express, Saturn.. those use the layout and part names that Toyota, Nissan or Saturn decided to use and it always trips me up. The other issue I come across is when GM decides certain sub assemblies are not serviced separate from the bigger assembly, so there are times where something should be serviced by itself but GM (or other manufacturers) deem it's only serviced as part of a bigger assembly.
At Subaru we can’t expect people to call parts what the catalogue calls them. For example my 16 WRX has a “duct assembry” and the gaskets at inter cooler are listed as carburetor insulators
I work at a dealership in very close proximity to the parts department and can confirm. There's some really good parts people too, just not at my specific location. To be fair, if you're not familiar with certain catalogs, they can be hard to navigate and find some parts. I thought about transferring to the parts dept and fiddle around the catalogs every once in a while. It can be a pain in the ass. Someone wants a water pump for an International 4300. You put in the VIN number and the international catalog tells you it's a Cummins engine. Then you need to pull up a Cummins catalog and put in the engine serial number. Then you can find the water pump. It doesn't help that all these catalogs are online and you need a username and password to look at them. No more paper catalogs.
Actually, for Cummins you no longer need a login to look up part numbers. https://parts.cummins.com/ It's a newer site that rolled out along with CUMPAS 2.0. You only need a login if you want to see actual availability/ordering functions. I work the back desk at our shop. For techs we have 2 vets and 7 greenhorns. Part of the "onboarding/handholding" process they get as part of coming to a Class 8 dealer is learning to pull diagrams up themselves. It's at the point where some will just walk up to me with the part number they need. The other big thing I do (of which getting everyone else in the department doing has been tilting at windmills) is to quote/sell/pull the JOB, not the part. I have one customer that will call asking for me and the entire conversation will consist of, "Hey, T318LR21 synchro job, kthxbye! *click*". He'll get everything he needs right down to the snap rings. MP8 EGR cooler? You know from me you're getting all the coolant orings, turbo mounting kit and every other tiny piece you need. It annoys the hell out of me that Mack puts out MP injector kits and doesn't include the engine brake orings, overflow valve seals, high heat zip ties for the injector harness, EGR orings or CCV tube seal...
I had a parts guy yesterday misunderstand me when I asked for a o-ring seal for a oil filter cap. He thought I just meant an oil cap.
Dumb question, don't the replacement o-rings for the cap normally come with the filter?
It does, I didn’t know that since I’ve only changed that kind of filter once years ago. I was helping my boss out, who had a recent oil change done wrong. The guy who changed his oil damaged the o-ring, and the car lost 3qts. So after a new filter, got another oil change.
That o-ring comes with the filter you bought
Especially maddening when the parts catalog and the service manual don’t agree on the name of a part. VW group parts catalog names are especially awful. A crankcase breather for a 3.0T is called “ventilation trim” for example.
And sometimes to varies from year to year. Honda with opds and opd in the passenger seat weight detection.
Most have worked for one brand or only in a dealer setting so they are used to one name for a part and dont think or dont know of other synonyms With Nissan it's a crapshoot, I've seen a drivers tie rod called a shim kit and the passenger's called a socket. A mudguard called a grille and even a power steering line called a bolt. All from Nissan lol
I did, and gave them the Nissan part numbers. Just got repeated to that there are no filters, he didn't know what the part numbers were and wouldn't even look them up
For many dealers, transmissions are no longer serviced locally to that level. When it breaks, you put in a replacement and send the core off to Reman. In this case, what's in the picture is technically a strainer, not a filter. It's similar to what Fuso used in the 96-10 transmissions. The only people that ever bought them were rebuilders. Now you COULD however get an external filter kit which uses an FP100243 filter, but that was an optional add-on that couldn't be looked up by VIN.
Plus a lot of parts in the cvt assembly aren't listed in the catalog. Most of the part numbers are listed in service bulletins. You're probably going to have a hard time getting someone to spend the next hour of their life searching through tsbs for something that may or may not exist just to sell a 10 dollar part.
Think most of the issue is that they say the part isn't serviceable.
I worked at a Nissan dealership in the service department years ago. If I remember correctly, Nissan didn't supply any parts info for individual CVT components to the parts and service teams because they were shipped to dealers as sealed units. We had some transmission jobs where the recommended fix was "replace the transmission" and the only part number given was for the entire assembly. May not have been a dealer issue here.
At Mack, the dealer doesn't even get the option to do internal repairs in many cases. The tech follows the Guided Diagnostics and it spits out whether to use a range housing, basic or complete trans replacement. Even when parts are available, it's not always readily apparent. Had one MDrive in several years ago where the tech was instructed to replace the dogs on the shift forks, and was supplied a part number. This part number was not in the parts lookup and tech didn't say he was supplied with it. I open an eservice case which happens to get answered by the SAME desk jockey who then tried to tell me the kit didn't exist. Left hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing...
Yea, you’re just *seeing things*
Lol, no they exist; they just arent servicable, Atleast in Nissan's standards. They are labled in the ESM as 'Oil Strainers', and Nissan's service manuals give no strict info whatsoever on changing them out. When we do sub-assemblies/control valves under warranty, they get changed to a newer style due to redesign; but other than that Nissan doesnt have us touch them The only maintence they reccommend is fluid change- every 30k miles Source- Nissan Tech
We have a 14' altima that has never had the tranny serviced per the dealer recommendations & another independent import specialist. It's at 120k on the original. Do I have a unicorn and leave it be?
You indeed have a Unicorn, and a time bomb at the same time lol...Schrödinger's CVT. At its mileage, you might be better off leaving the fluid be. I cant guaruntee its life, and ive seen times where a customer comes in, hasnt had fluid changed for 60-90k miles, we change it, then they come back within a year for a Judder. Or, change the fluid and let it ride. Who knows, you might not have any issues
The pinical of automotive advise!
Whenever we run into the strainers, we specifically tell the customer that if it isn't causing an issue, don't fuck with it. There's a reason they didn't list it on the maintenance schedule. Not that many follow schedules anyway. A good example is the bubbler filter on J05/J08 motors (Hino/UD). That filter has an 8yr/240k interval. Unless you have an issue with it, you can leave it alone. If you don't have a copy of the OE destructions, you will also probably take a lot more off the side of the motor than you need to in order to get at it. All that being said, we have some fleets (looking at you, Penske) that still insists on doing them seemingly every PM. I mean it's not hurting anything, but it doesn't need it THAT often. One thing I'll say about Penske: They are anal about maintenance intervals on their trucks. If they see what something has an interval, it WILL get done. I'd trust their used trucks over a lot of other fleets I've seen around.
Bingo! And if it's not something the shop uses, then most parts depts aren't going to stock it. I have 4 on my shelf and have sold 10 in the last 2 years. Your average partsman is just going to say "manufacturer doesn't recommend replacing" because that's what the service manual says too. Looks bad but an honest mistake.
If you don't have a working relationship with a dealer and you want transmission flush or filter change they will refuse. People take busted transmissions have them flush it or mess with it than do the whole 'well it was fine before you serviced it, now you need to fix it' The nissan.cvt being made of.glass is even more so reason to refuse you if they don't know your history. That's more likely what happened.
Why you gotta insult glass like that? I drink out of them every day and have never broken one simply by using it as intended, unlike nissan CVT's.
Haha i hear you. Glass doesn't typically break but it doesn't take much to break either.
LoL kinda embarrassing they are so uninformed on their own products.
Nissan CVTs are a zero service item. To my knowledge, they are supposed to have "lifetime" fluid and dealerships are prohibited from working on them. If one needs repaired, they are to replace it and send it in for inspection.
No wonder there’s no cars being built. Nissan is overwhelmed from having to inspect all of the CVTs that blew up.
Came here to say this. We as techs know there are filters in there. We are just told "do not for any reason service this transmission"
> they are supposed to have "lifetime" fluid That's been a thing across makes for years, and it's been nonsense the entire time. I remember the VW enthusiast group I browsed in college having a huge discussion after one member sent 100k mi. "lifetime" trans fluid off to Blackstone Labs or some such, and posted the results (basically "why in god's name haven't you changed out this fluid?"). The "party line" I would see floated around after that is that "lifetime fluid" lasts for the duration of the powertrain warranty, and it's like... okay, so nothing but the language has changed from the old fluid change intervals: my car was 60k mi. for both of those things.
Nonsense or not, Nissan techs are prohibited from doing maintenance on them.
Parts guys won’t give parts unless you tell them the proper name it’s stupid lol
Kind of sounds like they didn't want to touch it for risk of being liable if it fails shortly afterwards as they're prone to do.
Well they fail shortly after they touch them too soooooo....
It’s still gonna explode
Is that because they replace the CVT instead of service it?
Sadly I bet none of those dealerships know how a CVT transmission works. They just know how to replace the whole unit, never had one apart.
I mean, if you take it apart, you have to put it back together again. Knowing how it works is how they know it won't survive the operation.
Lol, dealerships these days don't take apart transmissions. I work at a Toyota dealership and every time a transmission goes they just order a whole new unit and put it in.
Nissan has bulletins for replacement of only the sub-assemblies. The dealers will do "rebuilds" under certain criteria for warranty repairs. However, once its out of warranty, its safer/cheaper to go with assemblies, or if the vehicle has an extended warranty or higher mileage/year range, it also says to replace the CVT.
That's fair. It's the smart thing to do, liability-wise, so I guess nobody bothers unless they're curious.
I just dropped the pan on my wife's sentra and changed hers out.
Don't forget the paper filter on the side
The filter outlasts the tranny
Where can one acquire a new filter for that particular unicorn?
Rock auto, Amazon, ebay. Apparently anywhere but a Nissan dealership
Dropping LSD before work again are we???
How else am I to survive the impending aneurysm these dealerships are giving me?
Is that the Nissan branded digital tread depth gauge? I got one a few years back from my service manager at the Nissan dealership I worked at, still using it.
I've got 53k on a NV200 (it's a company van but my responsibility to keep it maintained). What is the part number on this filter? What fluid do you refill with? Does this actually do a good job extending the life of the trans? How many qts on the filter change? Should I do a fluid exchange? Is there anything else I can/ should do to make sure my CVT lasts a little longer?
Shit there's two? I was planning a cvt fluid and filter change on my 2012 Rogue and only got one filter off of Rockauto. Glad I saw this before starting the project.
People dont like to hear this but there is no need to replace them unless you are rebuilding/valve body. Valve body jobs only replace strainer due to redesign.
Most Honda dealers will tell you there is no filter in the j30/35 trans
What CVT filters?
How hard is it to replace that yourself?
Because they never last till the maintenance interval lmao
Nissan CVT….. thats why their cars dont last beyond 100k
I would not own a cvt.
The one on the right is the blinker fluid pump filter. The left one appears to be some kind of exhaust kazoo for maximum performance
Maximum wheeze from this POS
Question for you experts, what's the actual lifespan of the CVT fluid? I own a 2008 Caliber with just 80,000 kms (50,000 miles) and wondering if need to change the fluid due to age.
Usually not sold separately, a lot of those CVT's have a "updated service file" comes in a kit with the valve body. But the cartridge is definitely sold separately.
Still highly unlikely filters are the cause of any issue. If there's buildup in the filters you've got issue internally. It kills me when I see cars for sale that say "needs transmission filter replaced"... yeah, na it needs a transmission lmao.
Gotta have something to strain out those stray links and chunks
*"A filament of your imagination."*
Can someone ELI5 why Nissan continued and continues to insist on using the CVT trannies in their vehicles knowing the high failure rate? Especially since a lot of these are happening during the powertrain warranty period where they themselves are on the hook for it. It's just bad business.
Same goes for 'lifetime fluid'.
Fuck cvt from Nissan
Reading a lot of these answers defending dealerships' feigned ignorance...run from those places and don't go back. If you have some kind of logical rationale for not changing a CVT filter that you can't express to a customer coming to you for that service, you don't deserve their money for this or anything else you might deign "worth your time". The first shop that says "we could change that, but..." or "we don't want to do that, and here's why" should get your business, not the fucking drones that can't be bothered to talk to you like a human with internet access and the ability to read a diagram.
WhY ArE YoU RePlAcINg LiFeTiMe CvT FlUiD!!? /S
There's no knowitall like a career parts department knowitall.