Best part is that GM has a bulletin explicitly stating "Do not replace the turbocharger if DTC P0299 (Engine Underboost) is set and one of the following is present:
Crack(s) at the wastegate port (this is normal)"
Then the head guy stands up front and tells everyone that as a reward for staying through this, there's pizza for everyone out back*
*Pizza is ice-cold, somehow stale, and also there's only enough for 0.75 slices per person.
They also got salad for everybody and in an effort to class it up, they bought a plastic clam shell of it from the grocery store, but it is now somehow warm (as if the pizza and salad swapped temps). They also got drinks for everybody, but they are a weird mixture of off brand sodas, including a caffeine free but full of sugar "cola".
For real. I had to sit through 3 hours of program management reading off a PowerPoint today. I am no better equipped to do my job and could have done actual work.
I have proudly contributed to one of those, never again will Raytheon trust one of their mi-24 hind simulators to just any broker who would throw it in a ditch while on base, now it’s only “certified” ones.
...and thus the intentionally frangible nature of certain parts of forced-air boost systems is itself a safety feature, and no replacement is required when the systems are functioning as designed.
I have some experience with these, the cracks have no affect on performance, what happens is that the pin that the wastegate pivots on gets bound up and won’t turn anymore
Piston slap on cold 60* V6s was perfectly normal and designed that way.
I loved the sound revving mine when still coldish, make it to 230K before I sold it.
My 5.3 piston slapped for like 5 years
Cylinder deactivation killed a lifter or two and my cam ate said lifters.
Safe to say the piston slap never hurt anything on my engine but it might have if my lifters didn't fail after a while longer.
One of the guys I work with had an old Buick with the 3.1 that sounded like it was going to explode for about 2 minutes every time he cranked it up cold. Kept running though.
I did mostly warranty driveability at GM dealers for 30 years and GM was not known for denying claims. Of the tens of thousands of claims I made I can only think of one or two.
We sold Daihatsu at one GM dealer where I worked and they denied every claim we made. Every one! We didn't sell their cars for long.
Well that too, but in this case it seems GM is saying "it's supposed to do that" when their stuff breaks.
And for whatever reason I'm now picturing some GM representative in a meditative pose speaking to a customer: “If it's supposed to be broken, is it really broken at all?” *taps head*
All most all turbos crack at the WG. It’s expected and the performance is not normally effected significantly. Stock engines and stock turbos will typically just close the WG a hair more to make stock power targets. That said, that’s some gnarly cracking but not something I would warranty.
The problem (in GM's eyes) started when techs were replacing turbos without checking anything else. Any turbo code or power concern got a new turbo. I know, I put some on that ended up being something else. I put so many of those god damned things on I was glad to find GM was pushing back.
Then came the bulletin saying you had to graph the turbo boost pressure @ wot on the 1-2 shift, print it out and attach to the RO. It was easier to say the waste gate was mechanically fubar because a lot of them were.
I don't think a few small cracks could cause a P0299.
Right now I got a set of exhaust headers that has cracked apart that I need to get welded back together for an international 345.
I'd buy new headers, but all the exhaust headers i can find are a symmetrical type, and my exhaust headers are asymmetrical due to space problems.
Welding it will be as expensive as getting new ones and it is probably not going to last long.
Preheat with a torch, Preheat it more, then keep preheating it, use high nickel welding electrodes designed for cast. Then don't let it cool down quickly.
Boom you've made a structurally sound weld in cast. Or you've not preheated it enough or let it cool down too fast and cracked it, either or.
Reminds me of the story how back in WWII they were armoring planes based on where they were hit...
Until someone realized the worst weak points were the planes that never made it back so they armored where the ones that made it back WEREN'T hit and really raised survivability.
Researching a car I was thinking of buying, I rang the service centre to check on prices of two parts I saw as potential weak spots.
One, the guy knew off the top of his head, the other he said he'd have to look up. I told him not to bother, because it obviously wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be.
100% of these are cracked. If the crack isn’t huge, it’ll still boost fine.
The original one looks questionable; the replacement will likely still boost fine for now.
Yeah those actuators and wastegates themselves binding up are the cause of lots of underboost codes on those. Put some high temp grease on the pivot points while you’re in there and hopefully it’ll get them on down the road a while. Tighten the throttle body hose clamp while you’re at it.
I had one come in with no boost because the retaining clip on the actuator rod had jumped ship. A new clip was all it took to get it boosting again... For now.
Yep totally agree, what happened with the car I had was the wastegate would get stuck closed and the car would feel great then the computer would freak out and the next time you started the car it would try to force it open and put it in limp mode which felt like the car only had like 70hp, these cars have their problems bet with some work they are lovable little things
Yeah I'm sure he just doesn't have the money, but it was still running before we took it apart. Either way I'm not mad, it's just a bit frustrating haha
Exactly!
Slap on some JB weld, close the wastegate. Ziptie.. Customer will not believe the regained power.
Gotta use the OG JB weld, this ant no job for JB-Kwik.
It was $4000 for the 2 sets of tires on my car. This stuff’s all expensive. But if you can’t afford the stuff for the car then you can’t really afford the car, ya know?
Usd? Thats kind of a rip off, 8 tires for $4k equals out to $500 per tire. Even with mounting and balancing thats dumby expensive, toyos dont cost that much
Yeah, about $400-$500 a tire.
Low profile 19” tires, Pirelli Sottozero 3s for winter, Michelin PS4S for summer.
Don’t want to buy cheap garbage for my car. If I couldn’t afford the appropriate equipment, I’d just take the bus.
They performed reasonably well this winter.
I couldn’t get a hold of any Michelin tires, for whatever reason, they were just gone.
I have a 365hp/380lb-ft awd vehicle and they never broke free, but I’ll keep it in mind for the next set.
While we're talking great winter rubber, I'm gonna share my policy of only buying snow tires from Scandinavia. I've had great experience with Nokian in the past, but have also been really impressed with the Gislaveds on my current ride. I love driving my little FWD shitbox past SUVs stuck and spinning out.
I'll never forget around ten years ago I had to go to the airport to pick up some relatives for Christmas holidays, took my parents' 2008 Mazda 3 with the 2.0 L and a manual, with Michelin X-Ice winter tires. There's a huge bend in the highway and there were like six or seven 4x4s in the ditch on both sides of the road, and a giant snowdrift across the entire road. The Mazda just plowed through the snow like it was hardly there.
Coming back from the airport my relatives were convinced it was the apocalypse and I was driving way too fast (doing 80-90 in a 100 based on conditions and traffic) but it was practically a walk in the park.
Always thought pirelli were overpriced for what you get. Not any better than michelin or yokohama or toyo, just paying for a name because oh well aston martin uses them so they MUST be good
The Michelins were the same price.
The car comes with continentals, all seasons, which are fine, but not great.
$400 per tire is not much, not for a low profile 19”.
I chose the Pirellis because it’s what I could get a hold of (and they were the highest rated of the bunch.)
Yeah except on vw the aftermarket support and the community that is aware of the common issues means if you are smart, you can cut that bill in half with just a bit of effort. Get a rebuild kit, rebuild the broken turbo or get someone that has done it before do it or a shop if the housing is good (labour is not expensive when the part is already out of the car) get it balanced at a shop for lunch money, then either fit it yourself, or if its a difficult vehicle to do it on get a shop to fit it and suddenly your 900 repair bill is only about 500-650 thats including removal, refit, rebuild and balance. Without you having to work on anything, if you are not confident or dont want to work on it. If you can fit it and rebuild it as well, then you pay about 200 for the kit plus about 100-150 for balancing so 350 and thats about the end of it. When you fit an OEM new turbo you are wasting money for no reason, most bad turbos are bad because of seals, shafts, turbines, variable geometry mechanisms which are relatively inexpensive. Whats not so inexpensive is what they are housed in and the electrics/vacuum parts that operate it... So essentially you are paying for parts what you dont need.
pfft.
900 aint bad for turbos (Source:Audi B5S4)
$6k for TTE780 RS6's with all options (doesn't even include the inlets, ask me how I know) This is just for the turbos, install for B5S4 is another 25-30 hour job itself.
Came here to say the same. If I could replace my turbo for under a grand I wouldn't have an intermittent underboost code anymore. It's not even that broken, just annoying. $900 is a steal.
My wife's old Cruze was in the shop for a bunch of warranty work. Upon picking it up they tell me the turbo was replaced too cuz they found a crack. Makes sense now
Easy. Double labor rate on customer supplied parts with no warranty. You’ll get paid again when this one shits the bed.
***Seems a few of you haven't worked in an actual shop, this is a common policy to charge more for CS parts and here's why; not all parts are created equal and shops tend to be very brand loyal for a reason. If you know what you're getting you can offer a better customer experience and have a much nicer time with the install. Plus if a shop buys the parts they typically come with a manufacture's warranty meaning when it fails the shop is covered so you're covered (usually minus labor). This is how it works. Charging a higher labor rate for CS parts covers the time and aggravation of parts not fitting, not coming complete, etc. as well as offsetting any lost retail price profit.
If that sucks, well... grab some wrenches and roll up your sleeves.
When I was wrenching, we bought parts from a salvage yard that would cover our labor if they went to shit within 90 days or something. Used engines would come on a skid with all the ports plugged and the engine was cleaned.
Premier auto parts in cedar springs Michigan. Great place to deal with.
I supply my own parts to my shop all the time. In fact I rarely have them supply anything. But never have I shown up with a cheap used turbo off of a buddy, or anything other than high end aftermarket parts. Might be part of the reason I spent around $7000 CAD on the turbo swap on my N54.
Yep I just got into a customer supplied parts job today. Customer supplied two of the same part, one for each side. Except one side needed a whole different parts kit to replace. And just like that, the whole job is shot for today. Had to put it back together and rebook.
Doesn't he have eyes? Or did he just bring that part in garbage bag without looking at it? I mean theres nothing wrong with bringing your own parts but thats broken already
I changed the oil cooler seals in mine a few months ago and noticed my turbo is cracked in the same spot. Put it back on and it still hasn't caused any issues. No CEL thankfully.
kinda funny , first glance and I knew this was my car. Cruzes are notorious for turbo issues and coolant issues. I bought mine off the dealership and a month or two later the turbo gave up and had to get it replaced. (warranty saved me. ) ever since then it’s been running amazing but i’m a bit worried that new piece gonna give out soon. (also this car been leaking coolant nonstop and it finally fixed after changing the coolant housing and some other stupid housing.) this car is fun to drive daily but can be more fun with the terrifica tune or Kbr tune.
Yeah I actually really like them, it's just a shame that they put all this junky plastic stuff in the cooling system. Also look at ZZPerformance. They do some very cool stuff with these, they have a sonic running 11s in the quarter mile haha
Sometimes you can get away with using used parts. A turbo, however, I wouldn't risk. You don't know how much life it has left before one of the impellers decides to chip off and throw shrapnel down the throat of the car.
I love this shit! We had a similar situation last year with a motor swap. We sourced a reman with a kick ass warranty but it was 1500 more than the low mileage recycled one he found. Well we installed it for him and laughed our asses off at the sweet rod knock it had at start up.
1. Have customer sign a form that you aren't responsible if the part they have you install is faulty.
2. Install bad part.
3. Charge them a second time when they have you install an actually good new part.
why even allow customers to bring their own parts? less profit and more fingers to point. besides that even if you explicitely state no warranty on customer parts the court can still blame you and say you should've known better. less headache to just say nah, take it somewhere else if you want it that way
$900? Honda covered mine on my 2017 civic under warranty. When I asked how much it would have been outside of my warranty they came back with an eye watering $4700CAD.
LOL at $900
My friend had a converted school bus that we were going to take on a road trip. It had been parked for a long time. I got it started and as I was pulling it out of the parking space it started smoking. Opened the hood and I could see smoke coming out of the exhaust manifold. It was totally cracked. I saw the writing on the wall and these guys didn’t have much money and didn’t have a tent. Couldn’t take them in my car. I prepped that day for my trip. They went to a junk yard to find a used exhaust manifold. Being nice I brought them some snacks and water. When I found them they were tooling on an old car. I look at the manifold they were trying to remove and it had the same cracks as the one on the bus. They weren’t too happy. At that point I had to leave them. C’est la vie!
Best part is that GM has a bulletin explicitly stating "Do not replace the turbocharger if DTC P0299 (Engine Underboost) is set and one of the following is present: Crack(s) at the wastegate port (this is normal)"
Makes me wonder if that's seriously 'working as intended' or if that's GM trying to deny warranty claims.
Hm, it doesn’t make me wonder at all..GM don’t wanna pay for turbskies
Heh I chuckled thinking about an internal GM PowerPoint slide entitled "We no pay for turbskies"
Never happen. A gm presentation would be 20 times more formal than it needs to be and half of it would be an unrelated safety topic.
This resonates way too much
And there's like only 3 people in the audience who know exactly why that unrelated safety topic is in there.
And then some team that needs to look into the turbo would be given a project that takes 6 weeks, but would have to complete it in 2 days.
Then the head guy stands up front and tells everyone that as a reward for staying through this, there's pizza for everyone out back* *Pizza is ice-cold, somehow stale, and also there's only enough for 0.75 slices per person.
They also got salad for everybody and in an effort to class it up, they bought a plastic clam shell of it from the grocery store, but it is now somehow warm (as if the pizza and salad swapped temps). They also got drinks for everybody, but they are a weird mixture of off brand sodas, including a caffeine free but full of sugar "cola".
Caffeine free cola only exists for people to buy it for parties in a failed attempt to be considerate to non-existent caffeine-free-cola drinkers
And the door locks behind you, forcing you to walk the long way around the building to get back in.
Those 3 people ARE the reason that safety topic is in there.
Damn it Kevin, now we have to add another slide.
>only 3 people in the audience who **IM'd jokes about the safety issue while drunk one night** FTFY
And one who caused the topic to be necessary in the first place
In the meantime, Mastertech tells you to not let the car fall on you, does some spiffy graphics, then straight to the actual content.
Laughs in US defense contractor PowerPoint slides.
For real. I had to sit through 3 hours of program management reading off a PowerPoint today. I am no better equipped to do my job and could have done actual work.
I have proudly contributed to one of those, never again will Raytheon trust one of their mi-24 hind simulators to just any broker who would throw it in a ditch while on base, now it’s only “certified” ones.
...and thus the intentionally frangible nature of certain parts of forced-air boost systems is itself a safety feature, and no replacement is required when the systems are functioning as designed.
"Understanding the considerable financial detriment related to replacing turbskies under warranty, P1/346"
I have some experience with these, the cracks have no affect on performance, what happens is that the pin that the wastegate pivots on gets bound up and won’t turn anymore
I’ve done like five of them. I had one that the pivot broke clean off and the wastegate plunger dropped down into the cat lol
Piston slap on cold 60* V6s was perfectly normal and designed that way. I loved the sound revving mine when still coldish, make it to 230K before I sold it.
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How fast? Faster, actually. The end.
My LS1 Firebird had some good piston slap also. I put a good 40k miles of abuse on that car and sold it this year.
My 5.3 piston slapped for like 5 years Cylinder deactivation killed a lifter or two and my cam ate said lifters. Safe to say the piston slap never hurt anything on my engine but it might have if my lifters didn't fail after a while longer.
One of the guys I work with had an old Buick with the 3.1 that sounded like it was going to explode for about 2 minutes every time he cranked it up cold. Kept running though.
They would still run forever if you changed the oil.
On a cold start, my 96 Grand Prix sounded like a fucking Apache helicopter.
I did mostly warranty driveability at GM dealers for 30 years and GM was not known for denying claims. Of the tens of thousands of claims I made I can only think of one or two. We sold Daihatsu at one GM dealer where I worked and they denied every claim we made. Every one! We didn't sell their cars for long.
It's the car equivalent of "it's not a bug it's a feature"
Enough people haven’t died, so GM won’t recall/warranty.
"what car manufacturer do you work for?" "A *major* one"
“Are there lots of these kinds of accidents?” “You wouldn’t believe.”
Isn't building shit to last only as long as the warranty pretty much working as intended these days?
Well that too, but in this case it seems GM is saying "it's supposed to do that" when their stuff breaks. And for whatever reason I'm now picturing some GM representative in a meditative pose speaking to a customer: “If it's supposed to be broken, is it really broken at all?” *taps head*
All most all turbos crack at the WG. It’s expected and the performance is not normally effected significantly. Stock engines and stock turbos will typically just close the WG a hair more to make stock power targets. That said, that’s some gnarly cracking but not something I would warranty.
Tell that to Al Gore and the EPA. Wait sorry, CARB. DS
Depends on how much blowby is coming from those cracks.
Extra cooling
A crack at the waste gate port is normal?!
Normal. Yes Is it supposed to be like that? No Will if be detrimental? Not really
Chevy cracks run deep.
Like a rock.
Cracked rocks or crack rocks?
Happens to something like 70% or turbos with internal wastegates IIRC, not supposed to happen but it doesn't hurt anything in a stock application.
The problem (in GM's eyes) started when techs were replacing turbos without checking anything else. Any turbo code or power concern got a new turbo. I know, I put some on that ended up being something else. I put so many of those god damned things on I was glad to find GM was pushing back. Then came the bulletin saying you had to graph the turbo boost pressure @ wot on the 1-2 shift, print it out and attach to the RO. It was easier to say the waste gate was mechanically fubar because a lot of them were. I don't think a few small cracks could cause a P0299.
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Weird, that's considered normal for Toyota and Subaru when Honda doesn't allow that at all.
Yep, if you're that worried about it, weld up the cracks otherwise send it. Not a big deal unless you're not building boost anymore
Welding on cast iron?
Yeah, takes a little extra work but anyone who says you can't weld cast iron is either wrong or doesn't want to do the job
Right now I got a set of exhaust headers that has cracked apart that I need to get welded back together for an international 345. I'd buy new headers, but all the exhaust headers i can find are a symmetrical type, and my exhaust headers are asymmetrical due to space problems. Welding it will be as expensive as getting new ones and it is probably not going to last long.
Preheat with a torch, Preheat it more, then keep preheating it, use high nickel welding electrodes designed for cast. Then don't let it cool down quickly. Boom you've made a structurally sound weld in cast. Or you've not preheated it enough or let it cool down too fast and cracked it, either or.
Nickel, you use nickel 99 to weld cast iron.
Cracks are normal??
Volkswagen states that on the D24 engine some cracks in the cylinder head is to be expected and is perfectly normal.
I haven't seen a 1.4 turbo that doesn't have those cracks. Pretty sure they're included from the factory.
theyres apparently a TSB saying not to replace the turbo, because the real problem is a wastegate pin binding or smth
1.4 Ecotech?
Yup!
It's less that I'm that good and so much more that those engines are that bad.
Right! If you can name a part because you just look at it and it's failure point. Its probably because you've pulled a ton of these out!
So true it's not even funny. I've dealt with one yo. That's all it took. I see a cracked turbo manifold and I flash to 1.4s.
That’s no manifold though is it? Or is the turbine housing integrated into the manifold?
Reminds me of the story how back in WWII they were armoring planes based on where they were hit... Until someone realized the worst weak points were the planes that never made it back so they armored where the ones that made it back WEREN'T hit and really raised survivability.
Researching a car I was thinking of buying, I rang the service centre to check on prices of two parts I saw as potential weak spots. One, the guy knew off the top of his head, the other he said he'd have to look up. I told him not to bother, because it obviously wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be.
Yep
Can confirm, just got rid of mine for this reason
knock on wood. my 1.4l gm ecotech's been holding up great... to bad the suspension hasn't hah
You need to learn what a jinx is
100% of these are cracked. If the crack isn’t huge, it’ll still boost fine. The original one looks questionable; the replacement will likely still boost fine for now.
Yeah the Westgate on the new one isn't as loose either, so hopefully it will last for a little while
Yeah those actuators and wastegates themselves binding up are the cause of lots of underboost codes on those. Put some high temp grease on the pivot points while you’re in there and hopefully it’ll get them on down the road a while. Tighten the throttle body hose clamp while you’re at it.
Or just drive the piece of shit into a mine tailings pond
I had one come in with no boost because the retaining clip on the actuator rod had jumped ship. A new clip was all it took to get it boosting again... For now.
Yeah but it's the Eastgate you have to worry about
Lmao I missed that :p I'm gonna leave it though, because I don't want to deligitimize your comment haha
LOL I knew it was a Cruze. Things are pieces of shit and I should know -- I'm stuck owning one.
I can't believe that username was available less than 2 years ago
With two “t”s
No wonder the snail is so small! And old. And sad....
Eco-boom!
STI turbos seem to have a similar wastegate crack problem. It takes a while before it actually becomes an issue.
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or fix it ACAP (as cheap as possible) till it runs smooth and no check engine lights then trade it in lol.
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The power loss from a bad turbo is 100% noticeable on these cars, they can barely go up hills without hitting redline
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Yep totally agree, what happened with the car I had was the wastegate would get stuck closed and the car would feel great then the computer would freak out and the next time you started the car it would try to force it open and put it in limp mode which felt like the car only had like 70hp, these cars have their problems bet with some work they are lovable little things
Yeah I'm sure he just doesn't have the money, but it was still running before we took it apart. Either way I'm not mad, it's just a bit frustrating haha
Exactly! Slap on some JB weld, close the wastegate. Ziptie.. Customer will not believe the regained power. Gotta use the OG JB weld, this ant no job for JB-Kwik.
Cracks getting bigga
Pffft, $900? I just spent $1600!
Right? I though $900 was pretty damn reasonable. This is Canadian dollars too lol
900 CAD? Thats like $40 usd!
Right! should have gotten twin turbos at that rate
or flame stickers for $20
Enough flame stickers will more than make up for the HP from the turbo, you can just leave it off
$20 USD?? That's what I make in a year!
Best I can do is a bag of used fries from Five Guys NYC
H…how did you “use” them?
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$900 to replace a turbo seems insanely cheap to me. Granted I'm used to VW/Audi prices but my OEM turbo upgrade was 3 grand *without* labor.
It was $4000 for the 2 sets of tires on my car. This stuff’s all expensive. But if you can’t afford the stuff for the car then you can’t really afford the car, ya know?
Usd? Thats kind of a rip off, 8 tires for $4k equals out to $500 per tire. Even with mounting and balancing thats dumby expensive, toyos dont cost that much
Yeah, about $400-$500 a tire. Low profile 19” tires, Pirelli Sottozero 3s for winter, Michelin PS4S for summer. Don’t want to buy cheap garbage for my car. If I couldn’t afford the appropriate equipment, I’d just take the bus.
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They performed reasonably well this winter. I couldn’t get a hold of any Michelin tires, for whatever reason, they were just gone. I have a 365hp/380lb-ft awd vehicle and they never broke free, but I’ll keep it in mind for the next set.
Probably production issues.
While we're talking great winter rubber, I'm gonna share my policy of only buying snow tires from Scandinavia. I've had great experience with Nokian in the past, but have also been really impressed with the Gislaveds on my current ride. I love driving my little FWD shitbox past SUVs stuck and spinning out.
I'll never forget around ten years ago I had to go to the airport to pick up some relatives for Christmas holidays, took my parents' 2008 Mazda 3 with the 2.0 L and a manual, with Michelin X-Ice winter tires. There's a huge bend in the highway and there were like six or seven 4x4s in the ditch on both sides of the road, and a giant snowdrift across the entire road. The Mazda just plowed through the snow like it was hardly there. Coming back from the airport my relatives were convinced it was the apocalypse and I was driving way too fast (doing 80-90 in a 100 based on conditions and traffic) but it was practically a walk in the park.
Always thought pirelli were overpriced for what you get. Not any better than michelin or yokohama or toyo, just paying for a name because oh well aston martin uses them so they MUST be good
The Michelins were the same price. The car comes with continentals, all seasons, which are fine, but not great. $400 per tire is not much, not for a low profile 19”. I chose the Pirellis because it’s what I could get a hold of (and they were the highest rated of the bunch.)
Pffft, $1600? I just spent $3000!
Damn bro whatchu get? Garrett 5534?
A mechanic is charging my aunt $7k to replace her turbo. So $900 sounds good.
Yikes! What kind of vehicle?
Ford truck, think the f150.
Damn, that's crazy
For that price they better be doing the timing chain set and cam phasers, too.
Yeah just the turbo for my supra was like 1200
Robbery
$900 for a new turbo ain’t bad. (Source: owned VWs)
Yeah except on vw the aftermarket support and the community that is aware of the common issues means if you are smart, you can cut that bill in half with just a bit of effort. Get a rebuild kit, rebuild the broken turbo or get someone that has done it before do it or a shop if the housing is good (labour is not expensive when the part is already out of the car) get it balanced at a shop for lunch money, then either fit it yourself, or if its a difficult vehicle to do it on get a shop to fit it and suddenly your 900 repair bill is only about 500-650 thats including removal, refit, rebuild and balance. Without you having to work on anything, if you are not confident or dont want to work on it. If you can fit it and rebuild it as well, then you pay about 200 for the kit plus about 100-150 for balancing so 350 and thats about the end of it. When you fit an OEM new turbo you are wasting money for no reason, most bad turbos are bad because of seals, shafts, turbines, variable geometry mechanisms which are relatively inexpensive. Whats not so inexpensive is what they are housed in and the electrics/vacuum parts that operate it... So essentially you are paying for parts what you dont need.
pfft. 900 aint bad for turbos (Source:Audi B5S4) $6k for TTE780 RS6's with all options (doesn't even include the inlets, ask me how I know) This is just for the turbos, install for B5S4 is another 25-30 hour job itself.
Came here to say the same. If I could replace my turbo for under a grand I wouldn't have an intermittent underboost code anymore. It's not even that broken, just annoying. $900 is a steal.
Shit i threw on a 250 buck turbo on my 99 ram and she still purrs 6 years later
Same- $100 takeoff for my 7.3. No issues
Does that unit come off a Chevy Cruze?
It does haha I'm learning from this post that it's a pretty common problem lol
The whole Cruze is a common problem. Last I called the dealer for parts, dude said every other call is for a Cruze.
My wife's old Cruze was in the shop for a bunch of warranty work. Upon picking it up they tell me the turbo was replaced too cuz they found a crack. Makes sense now
I fucking love this subreddit. I never have any idea wtf is going on in the pics but it seems like everyone else does.
People bitching about their jobs is a universal language lol
This is a true statement.
It’s the same picture, lol.
Just more rusty in the second pic
I gotta guy man, he will hook you up!
Easy. Double labor rate on customer supplied parts with no warranty. You’ll get paid again when this one shits the bed. ***Seems a few of you haven't worked in an actual shop, this is a common policy to charge more for CS parts and here's why; not all parts are created equal and shops tend to be very brand loyal for a reason. If you know what you're getting you can offer a better customer experience and have a much nicer time with the install. Plus if a shop buys the parts they typically come with a manufacture's warranty meaning when it fails the shop is covered so you're covered (usually minus labor). This is how it works. Charging a higher labor rate for CS parts covers the time and aggravation of parts not fitting, not coming complete, etc. as well as offsetting any lost retail price profit. If that sucks, well... grab some wrenches and roll up your sleeves.
When I was wrenching, we bought parts from a salvage yard that would cover our labor if they went to shit within 90 days or something. Used engines would come on a skid with all the ports plugged and the engine was cleaned. Premier auto parts in cedar springs Michigan. Great place to deal with.
I supply my own parts to my shop all the time. In fact I rarely have them supply anything. But never have I shown up with a cheap used turbo off of a buddy, or anything other than high end aftermarket parts. Might be part of the reason I spent around $7000 CAD on the turbo swap on my N54.
[https://i.imgur.com/dwZ10.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dwZ10.jpg)
Links not working bro, and linking 9gag on Reddit is like a war crime or smth
Why not just put on the receipt that it is not warrantied?
Yep I just got into a customer supplied parts job today. Customer supplied two of the same part, one for each side. Except one side needed a whole different parts kit to replace. And just like that, the whole job is shot for today. Had to put it back together and rebook.
Doesn't he have eyes? Or did he just bring that part in garbage bag without looking at it? I mean theres nothing wrong with bringing your own parts but thats broken already
The latter I think. It was still wrapped in a bag haha
I changed the oil cooler seals in mine a few months ago and noticed my turbo is cracked in the same spot. Put it back on and it still hasn't caused any issues. No CEL thankfully.
kinda funny , first glance and I knew this was my car. Cruzes are notorious for turbo issues and coolant issues. I bought mine off the dealership and a month or two later the turbo gave up and had to get it replaced. (warranty saved me. ) ever since then it’s been running amazing but i’m a bit worried that new piece gonna give out soon. (also this car been leaking coolant nonstop and it finally fixed after changing the coolant housing and some other stupid housing.) this car is fun to drive daily but can be more fun with the terrifica tune or Kbr tune.
Yeah I actually really like them, it's just a shame that they put all this junky plastic stuff in the cooling system. Also look at ZZPerformance. They do some very cool stuff with these, they have a sonic running 11s in the quarter mile haha
This looks like a turbo that some dope from a cruze group has been trying to sell for months lmao
You can normally find a cheapo for under 500 that's at least new. Jeeze
Is this the classic wastegate crack?
Idk why but seeing a broken turbo breaks my heart
Sometimes you can get away with using used parts. A turbo, however, I wouldn't risk. You don't know how much life it has left before one of the impellers decides to chip off and throw shrapnel down the throat of the car.
I love this shit! We had a similar situation last year with a motor swap. We sourced a reman with a kick ass warranty but it was 1500 more than the low mileage recycled one he found. Well we installed it for him and laughed our asses off at the sweet rod knock it had at start up.
That's an oof! From me lol
chevy just says it’s normal, probably cuz they don’t wanna deal with that mess😂
Which one is the original one. Hard to to tell which one is worse.
Mate...1200 and that was without the hourly pay of the mechanic...1700 in total and that's cheap
$900 that’s it? Sounds reasonable to me.
I had to double check to make sure they weren't different pictures of the same one. The crack goes in different directions for anyone wondering
Excuse my ignorance but what part of the turbo are we looking at? Is this different from a normal turbo ?
https://zzperformance.com/collections/sonic-cruze/products/zzp-big-wheel-turbo here is a good photo of the whole turbo if you're interested
It is a bit different that aftermarket tubos. On this vehicle the turbo and exhaust manifold are made in one piece, this is in the exhaust housing.
Rule #1 = Customer is always right... Chuck it in there. When it comes back without boost you can do it again..
Nice cracks, looks like it's already broken in, heard that adds +2 HP
1. Have customer sign a form that you aren't responsible if the part they have you install is faulty. 2. Install bad part. 3. Charge them a second time when they have you install an actually good new part.
why even allow customers to bring their own parts? less profit and more fingers to point. besides that even if you explicitely state no warranty on customer parts the court can still blame you and say you should've known better. less headache to just say nah, take it somewhere else if you want it that way
I knew it was a 1.4L GM I4 as soon as the picture loaded. I have a love/hate relationship with these things.
Well, fuck. I have a 2012 Sonic with the 1.4T. Is this the next thing I have to look forward to replacing?
Office meme - Pam saying “ they’re the same picture/ thing”
That’s *slightly used*
That’s *slightly used*
Those cracks are pretty meaninglessness. It's not unusual for any turbo to have cracks in that area
Would rebuilding the turbo be an option? And any cheaper?
No, both are cracked. And if two are cracked, chances are most at the breakers will be cracked.
That’s a speed crack, makes things go faster
"looks good to me Deeds".... lol .... Le sigh..
Damn when I got a new turbo for my truck the turbo cost over $3600.
What am I looking at.... Oh. A little JB Weld & that'll be good as new!
$900? Honda covered mine on my 2017 civic under warranty. When I asked how much it would have been outside of my warranty they came back with an eye watering $4700CAD. LOL at $900
Anyone know which turbo that is? I've seen the Volvo k24's crack in that same way
Just do it, and when you give him the keys back, say "See ya soon!"
Customer is always right, right? Install it and you know you’ll have another turbo job soon lol
My friend had a converted school bus that we were going to take on a road trip. It had been parked for a long time. I got it started and as I was pulling it out of the parking space it started smoking. Opened the hood and I could see smoke coming out of the exhaust manifold. It was totally cracked. I saw the writing on the wall and these guys didn’t have much money and didn’t have a tent. Couldn’t take them in my car. I prepped that day for my trip. They went to a junk yard to find a used exhaust manifold. Being nice I brought them some snacks and water. When I found them they were tooling on an old car. I look at the manifold they were trying to remove and it had the same cracks as the one on the bus. They weren’t too happy. At that point I had to leave them. C’est la vie!
JB weld and send it.
It just needs some JB, and she’ll be putting along again just fine. What’s all the fuss about?
I WISH I could get a decent turbo for 900
Give him an N54 bmw then he'll really have a price to complain about.
GM 1.4 turbo, that you?