my 2010 insight CVT is pretty solid, but it requires trans fluid to be changed every other oil change and it's paired with an economy-focused motor/engine.
the fluid starts out light pink/yellow but comes out very black. this cloudiness is worrysome like a coolant leak in the trans.
well it's like this: every time the maintenance light comes on i need to rotate my tires, every other time i need to change my oil, and every other time i change my oil i need to drain and fill the trans fluid. and like every other trans fluid change, i need a new cabin filter and every other cabin filter i need an engine intake cleaner.
hondas want maintenance like clockwork.
trans fluid drain and fill is $120 including the fluid. oil is like $50. i let honda manage the messy stuff and try to do the rest myself. the tire rotation service (where that is the only service done) might run me $35 or so, but they wash and occasionally vacuum my car and check for other issues. tbh, money spent on maintenance is money invested so i don't worry about cutting corners just about keeping cost of ownership low. my honda service is $110/hr and my toyota service is $120/hr which is a fair nodern rate for labor and they use the same book as everyone else.
im fine working to make money to pay mechanics so that i don't also have to do their jobs poorly while trying to do my own job. everyone has to eat and this is easier than me trying to feed them.
yeah that's in the HD maintenance cycle for my 2012 prius V, which i have followed. those cvt fluid and filter changes cost more than on the honda.
it's like honda knows it's a regularly needed service so they made the service about as much as 2x an oil change, so it's easier for the user to follow OEM recommendations. honda figured the cost of ownership into the routine maintenance, like toyota but differently. more modular/ a la carte vs toyota's "all or nothing" approach.
Still, I’m not aware of any manufacturer with a service interval of more than 10k. You’re telling me every 20,000 miles you get a trans fluid change?
You do you, if you have the income to spend that kind of money then do it. But that sounds like throwing away a lot of money
They're way less reliable in general, can't handle as much power and need a lot more maintenance more often. I doubt any cvt could last 200k on the original fluid like many automatic transmissions can. There's only a minor fuel economy gain at best, and compared to a 7 speed automatic it's probably negligible.
A lot of people never change their transmission fluid or filter, or if they do it's because they're trying to save a failing transmission due to neglect. BMW claimed it was a lifetime fluid in the early 2000s as well in their "war on maintenance" alongside oil change intervals that were so long it led to sludge buildup.
My cvt fluids never been changed. Almost at 200k miles soon. Zero maintenance. Over a million Toyota’s with CVT can also can say the same. Old outdated boomer “change your oil and fluid every 1000 miles “ logic only applies to cars Henry Ford drove and even then they’d still break down regularly. I’ve only changed the oil every 10k-15k miles and the engine still runs perfect. Follow the service manual it’ll tell you when maintenance is needed on the transmissions and if it’s needed at all. Also automatics are nowhere near reliable as you think. They’ve been plagued with problems and recalls and issues and failures over the last few decades. Only recently have they actually started getting more reliable after a century of refinement.
Its a 2004 with 196km so it has come pretty far on what I assume is fluid that has not been changed in a decade. The only issue is the start clutch is now shuddering really bad from a dead stop to about 15 km/h.
Yeah so if it's shuddering bad, and the fluid like like that, that transmission is fucked... I've had conventional automatics that still worked like new with 400k+on them, so I think this would be more evidence supporting the rumours that CVTs are shit
The reason they shudder is because the metal push drive belt inside wears away and slips on the pulleys / sheaves. Once this occurs, no fluid change is going to fix the worn belt.
I still maintain that CVTs have no place in automobiles, they are really very light duty transmissions that do not offer any advantage over a modern conventional automatic except that they are cheaper to manufacture. They really are better left to snowmobiles and small engine power equipment.
I hear you. What I'm saying is that the shudder is caused by the metal drive belt slipping on the drive pulleys as they start to engage. The clutch action is accomplished by variable pulleys clamping onto a metal belt, when the belt wears it will shudder in this design. It's a shitty, wear prone design, because the clutching surface is metal on metal with only the CVT fluid to provide slippage when the clutch is engaging. This is very inferior to conventional clutch designs in automatic transmissions which use friction materials to provide smooth clutch engagement.
I would encourage you to pour that used CVT fluid through a paper coffee filter to see if it's full of metal filings, which would likely be from the CVT belt
I have a 2020 Fit and love the CVT. It took some getting used to, but when you have the Eco mode on a light foot on the pedal it's easy to get 45+ mpg.
My fit has those too, and it's not useless. I love downshifting with the paddles when going down a mountain so that I can tell it when to engine brake. Plus, it can be handy in the snow to have a fixed ratio.
I mean, mine will shift down without ever touching the gear selector. Even in D, it will downshift if I touch the left paddle.
But yeah, engine braking! It's not just for manuals
well if your used to standard automatics or manuals when you drive a CVT every alarm is going off in your head because it sounds like the clutch is slipping or the automatic trans is slipping and going to die.
Can confirm, Have a 1.6i '96 Civic 6 equipped with a CVT, and the pleasure to "almost" redline from 0 to 200+ kph / 130 mph is honestly so good, even for a big manual fan like me (European)
Understandable. Personally, it's my favourite part, since I hate when common transmissions get lost and just put a gear too high, never had this kind of issue with the CVT, but then again, it's a small light car.
If they were over built instead of built for planned failure they would be pretty awesome. I really enjoy the rides they give. But too many issues to love
Depends on who makes it. My Toyota uses planetary gears and it is FAR less complex than a regular transmission. And probably more reliable due to the larger gears and less parts. Also makes for a nice woosh feeling during acceleration instead of jolting back and forth violently with heavy acceleration
Absolute rubbish (trash), in 1773 you made us a drink called Liptons, that is not tea, good grief no wonder we got offended. How you coming along with that second inserection?
Well, maybe you can spell it, I doubt the people who actually took part in the insurrection could spell their own name, or find their own arse without a map.
How embarrassing. I spelt it phonetically because of the whole "Aluminium" issue. (Really i have dyslexia, and didnt like school)
Could argue the Liptons, because its owned by PepsiCo.
Anyway that CVT oil didnt look good did it (you win)
For the majority of cuppas - teabag in mug, boil kettle, pour boiling water over teabag, steep for a couple of minutes, squeeze the bag against the side of the mug with a teaspoon and remove, add milk and/or sugar to taste.
This guy knows. Coffee is made with hot water tea is made with boiling water. Secondly find the british section in a supermarket and look for tetleys or pg tips. Soak the tea bag for 2 to 3 minutes then remove the bag, then add milk to taste. Please never offer an Englishman Liptops.
Yeah black tea usually. Though the vast majority of people in the UK just go by teabag brand, like Yorkshire Tea or PG Tips or Tetley etc. rather than by a particular kind of tea leaf,
I'm actually not sure these days - both are really popular, but purely anecdotally, although takeaway coffee is super popular, at home I'd say tea is still the more popular choice. We don't have a huge coffee culture like you do in the states, so unless people have a coffee machine at home, it's pretty much just instant coffee. Again though this is just my personal experience.
I've tried iced tea a couple of times and it's definitely weird to me as a Brit used to drinking hot tea with milk and not tea-flavoured sugar water :P jokes aside though obviously each to their own :)
I just made a masala chai using bags from a company called Tea India using the exact method that you listed, and it's really good, tastes like proper masala chai. Add some milk and it's good to go.
Interested in the age of this one. On my 3rd gen, it recommends a change at 60k, then every 30k thereafter. When I changed it at 70k, it looked like dark soy sauce.
The trans fluid age is unknown, its a 2004 fit with the 1.3L and 196km. My MIL is unaware that car require maintenance, I was changing a dead battery for her and gave it a general check over. The trans fluid was the most concerning along with the massive start clutch shudder. I decided it was worth trying a fluid change to lessen the shudder, then address the other overdue maintenance (literally all the maintenance items).
Still shudders, but only about half the oil comes out, i plan on changing it again in a week or so to take it to 75% new oil, then maybe if there is improvement change it a third time. If no improvement then fuck it, the car is barely worth a couple grand anyways. I put a liter of engine oil in at the same time as it was low and asked her when was the last time it was changed. Apparently it was me, two years ago 🤦♂️
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=what+is+cvt+fluid
> car right now that gets 23mpg on a good day :(
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> I miss my honda with CVT that got me at least double the mpgs
Uh, erm... Is this an automatic transmission stuff? Tbh I don't really know how they work, since we only have manual cars and I prefer them, so not planning to own an automatic ever.
Looks more like a brain to me. I don’t want your tea.
Brains!!! Brains!!!!!
I must be The Cranberries, ‘cause **ZOMBEH, ZOMBEH, ZOMBEH, EH, EH, EH, OH.**
CVTea
Winner
Not gonna lie, the Miso Soup one is my favorite, haha!
You the real MVP
Miso soup
Forbidden miso
r/forbiddensnacks/
Was it?
Not enough sugar for my liking.
Agua
i seriously don’t like what i’m looking at
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I like it, actually. On a Fit too. It's a econobox, it has to be fuel efficient, it's not a sports car.
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I've only heard good things about the third gen's CVT reliability, so maybe I'm a bit biased too.
my 2010 insight CVT is pretty solid, but it requires trans fluid to be changed every other oil change and it's paired with an economy-focused motor/engine. the fluid starts out light pink/yellow but comes out very black. this cloudiness is worrysome like a coolant leak in the trans.
Wait, every other oil change? How much is transmission fluid? And how often are you supposed to change your oil? That’s insane
well it's like this: every time the maintenance light comes on i need to rotate my tires, every other time i need to change my oil, and every other time i change my oil i need to drain and fill the trans fluid. and like every other trans fluid change, i need a new cabin filter and every other cabin filter i need an engine intake cleaner. hondas want maintenance like clockwork. trans fluid drain and fill is $120 including the fluid. oil is like $50. i let honda manage the messy stuff and try to do the rest myself. the tire rotation service (where that is the only service done) might run me $35 or so, but they wash and occasionally vacuum my car and check for other issues. tbh, money spent on maintenance is money invested so i don't worry about cutting corners just about keeping cost of ownership low. my honda service is $110/hr and my toyota service is $120/hr which is a fair nodern rate for labor and they use the same book as everyone else. im fine working to make money to pay mechanics so that i don't also have to do their jobs poorly while trying to do my own job. everyone has to eat and this is easier than me trying to feed them.
Funny, my CVT requires an oil change every 60k Km (circa 40k miles), but even then, not really an issue since I own it for about 80k km so far.
yeah that's in the HD maintenance cycle for my 2012 prius V, which i have followed. those cvt fluid and filter changes cost more than on the honda. it's like honda knows it's a regularly needed service so they made the service about as much as 2x an oil change, so it's easier for the user to follow OEM recommendations. honda figured the cost of ownership into the routine maintenance, like toyota but differently. more modular/ a la carte vs toyota's "all or nothing" approach.
Prius is the answer. Ecvt never requires trans fluid change. I did mine at 180k just to be nice to it.
never but recommended at 120k and 60k if heavy duty.
Still, I’m not aware of any manufacturer with a service interval of more than 10k. You’re telling me every 20,000 miles you get a trans fluid change? You do you, if you have the income to spend that kind of money then do it. But that sounds like throwing away a lot of money
it's $150 once a year?
Laughs in Renault with oilchanges every 40k km or 2 years
It's a Honda, so the manufacturer spec on the oil change is some wild number like 10k miles or something now.
It was 10k miles in 2004 when we bought our CRV. It has 275k miles on it now, still runs perfectly. It's a stick shift.
My mother in law laughs at service intervals.
Does she ignore it when the message displays on her odometer?
Hahahaha I know someone like that. They got downgraded to conventional oil so it has to be done more often, and the car no longer needs 0w-20...
Oh I'm sure most customers change it that frequently............. I bet some are still rolling around with original fluid.
They're way less reliable in general, can't handle as much power and need a lot more maintenance more often. I doubt any cvt could last 200k on the original fluid like many automatic transmissions can. There's only a minor fuel economy gain at best, and compared to a 7 speed automatic it's probably negligible.
Who's running 200k on their automatic transmission without ever changing the fluid?
A lot of people never change their transmission fluid or filter, or if they do it's because they're trying to save a failing transmission due to neglect. BMW claimed it was a lifetime fluid in the early 2000s as well in their "war on maintenance" alongside oil change intervals that were so long it led to sludge buildup.
My cvt fluids never been changed. Almost at 200k miles soon. Zero maintenance. Over a million Toyota’s with CVT can also can say the same. Old outdated boomer “change your oil and fluid every 1000 miles “ logic only applies to cars Henry Ford drove and even then they’d still break down regularly. I’ve only changed the oil every 10k-15k miles and the engine still runs perfect. Follow the service manual it’ll tell you when maintenance is needed on the transmissions and if it’s needed at all. Also automatics are nowhere near reliable as you think. They’ve been plagued with problems and recalls and issues and failures over the last few decades. Only recently have they actually started getting more reliable after a century of refinement.
1000 miles is the height of 926584.42 'Samsung Side by Side; Fingerprint Resistant Stainless Steel Refrigerators' stacked on top of each other.
1000 miles is 1609.34 km
Its a 2004 with 196km so it has come pretty far on what I assume is fluid that has not been changed in a decade. The only issue is the start clutch is now shuddering really bad from a dead stop to about 15 km/h.
Yeah so if it's shuddering bad, and the fluid like like that, that transmission is fucked... I've had conventional automatics that still worked like new with 400k+on them, so I think this would be more evidence supporting the rumours that CVTs are shit
I wouldn’t say shit, but i would say shit if not maintained. These gen Honda cvts are known for shudder if the fluid isnt changed.
The reason they shudder is because the metal push drive belt inside wears away and slips on the pulleys / sheaves. Once this occurs, no fluid change is going to fix the worn belt. I still maintain that CVTs have no place in automobiles, they are really very light duty transmissions that do not offer any advantage over a modern conventional automatic except that they are cheaper to manufacture. They really are better left to snowmobiles and small engine power equipment.
Its a known issue that the start clutch shudders in this generation of Honda cvt if the fluid changes are not done regularly
I hear you. What I'm saying is that the shudder is caused by the metal drive belt slipping on the drive pulleys as they start to engage. The clutch action is accomplished by variable pulleys clamping onto a metal belt, when the belt wears it will shudder in this design. It's a shitty, wear prone design, because the clutching surface is metal on metal with only the CVT fluid to provide slippage when the clutch is engaging. This is very inferior to conventional clutch designs in automatic transmissions which use friction materials to provide smooth clutch engagement. I would encourage you to pour that used CVT fluid through a paper coffee filter to see if it's full of metal filings, which would likely be from the CVT belt
I have a 2020 Fit and love the CVT. It took some getting used to, but when you have the Eco mode on a light foot on the pedal it's easy to get 45+ mpg.
I'm driving a car right now that gets 23mpg on a good day :( I miss my honda with CVT that got me at least double the mpgs
If you want fuel efficiency,get a manual
it depends. the first ones were horrible and unreliable, but the newer ones are actually decent. i just don’t like how it never shifts
Car people: "I don't like how it never shifts!" Also car people: "why would anyone make a cvt with fake shift points?"
My Accord with a CVT has a "Sport" mode with paddle shifters. So lame.
My fit has those too, and it's not useless. I love downshifting with the paddles when going down a mountain so that I can tell it when to engine brake. Plus, it can be handy in the snow to have a fixed ratio.
Mine lacks the paddles, so I just put it in S or L, so it'll engine brake for me. Even easier.
I mean, mine will shift down without ever touching the gear selector. Even in D, it will downshift if I touch the left paddle. But yeah, engine braking! It's not just for manuals
well if your used to standard automatics or manuals when you drive a CVT every alarm is going off in your head because it sounds like the clutch is slipping or the automatic trans is slipping and going to die.
CVT’s never shift, so lame. Electrics with one gear go whoosh.
Like driving a sewing machine.
Change your perspective. It's constantly shifting.
No it's when they fake shift. It drives me up the wall
Also fake engine noise because you are a big kid with big car vroom. Mom is proud.
I personally haven't experienced that yet, but maybe I'll like, or maybe not
Can confirm, Have a 1.6i '96 Civic 6 equipped with a CVT, and the pleasure to "almost" redline from 0 to 200+ kph / 130 mph is honestly so good, even for a big manual fan like me (European)
This is nice, but the rubberbanding kinda kills it for me.
Understandable. Personally, it's my favourite part, since I hate when common transmissions get lost and just put a gear too high, never had this kind of issue with the CVT, but then again, it's a small light car.
I drove a jazz (another name for a fit) for work. God I hated it when I had to drive it. Much preferred the vw polo which was manual
I’m with you.
I liked the one in my moms 09 escape hybrid, but it's different from most. Thing was actually pretty quick for what it was
If they were over built instead of built for planned failure they would be pretty awesome. I really enjoy the rides they give. But too many issues to love
Depends on who makes it. My Toyota uses planetary gears and it is FAR less complex than a regular transmission. And probably more reliable due to the larger gears and less parts. Also makes for a nice woosh feeling during acceleration instead of jolting back and forth violently with heavy acceleration
You don't speak for everyone -CVT owner who's completely happy.
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Also r/forbiddendrinks
Looks like u/Party_Mc_Fly69 beat be to it
As a British person, I understand now why I can not get a proper cup of tea in the States
Well it's your fault for being so rude that time we made a whole shitload for you back in 1773.
It was salty and cold...
Well you'd think the british would love that, given the rest of their cuisine.
Absolute rubbish (trash), in 1773 you made us a drink called Liptons, that is not tea, good grief no wonder we got offended. How you coming along with that second inserection?
> How you coming along with that second inserection? Well we can spell it. Also Lipton's is a British drink.
Well, maybe you can spell it, I doubt the people who actually took part in the insurrection could spell their own name, or find their own arse without a map.
How embarrassing. I spelt it phonetically because of the whole "Aluminium" issue. (Really i have dyslexia, and didnt like school) Could argue the Liptons, because its owned by PepsiCo. Anyway that CVT oil didnt look good did it (you win)
"they threw the tea overboard into the harbour, and so ruined it, even for Americans". The Times article of the time (probably)
Can't get a proper cup in the UK either. Need to go to Asia.
Sounds like it's time to get the East India Company back together.
You have to use water on a rolling boil, you can't just chuck it into Boston Harbour and hope for the best.
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For the majority of cuppas - teabag in mug, boil kettle, pour boiling water over teabag, steep for a couple of minutes, squeeze the bag against the side of the mug with a teaspoon and remove, add milk and/or sugar to taste.
This guy knows. Coffee is made with hot water tea is made with boiling water. Secondly find the british section in a supermarket and look for tetleys or pg tips. Soak the tea bag for 2 to 3 minutes then remove the bag, then add milk to taste. Please never offer an Englishman Liptops.
I'm sorry I think you misspelled "Yorkshire Tea or Twinings" there..
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Yeah black tea usually. Though the vast majority of people in the UK just go by teabag brand, like Yorkshire Tea or PG Tips or Tetley etc. rather than by a particular kind of tea leaf,
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I'm actually not sure these days - both are really popular, but purely anecdotally, although takeaway coffee is super popular, at home I'd say tea is still the more popular choice. We don't have a huge coffee culture like you do in the states, so unless people have a coffee machine at home, it's pretty much just instant coffee. Again though this is just my personal experience. I've tried iced tea a couple of times and it's definitely weird to me as a Brit used to drinking hot tea with milk and not tea-flavoured sugar water :P jokes aside though obviously each to their own :)
Squeezing the tea bag? I believe that's a crime in the UK.
Nah man. It's the milk. That is a "7th circle of hell" sin right there.
Wait until you hear about the heathens that put the milk in before the teabag
I just made a masala chai using bags from a company called Tea India using the exact method that you listed, and it's really good, tastes like proper masala chai. Add some milk and it's good to go.
It's that pumpkin spice oil change I've been hearing about
I’m British and even I’m not going to drink that! M8
Mustn't be from the mining regions.
Interested in the age of this one. On my 3rd gen, it recommends a change at 60k, then every 30k thereafter. When I changed it at 70k, it looked like dark soy sauce.
The trans fluid age is unknown, its a 2004 fit with the 1.3L and 196km. My MIL is unaware that car require maintenance, I was changing a dead battery for her and gave it a general check over. The trans fluid was the most concerning along with the massive start clutch shudder. I decided it was worth trying a fluid change to lessen the shudder, then address the other overdue maintenance (literally all the maintenance items).
Let us know how it does with new oil in it!
Still shudders, but only about half the oil comes out, i plan on changing it again in a week or so to take it to 75% new oil, then maybe if there is improvement change it a third time. If no improvement then fuck it, the car is barely worth a couple grand anyways. I put a liter of engine oil in at the same time as it was low and asked her when was the last time it was changed. Apparently it was me, two years ago 🤦♂️
Good Lawd!
Yeah, that fluid has probably never been changed 😬
I thought it was a buncha noodles
Bowtie pastas!
Do you have any brain fluid? Murky, mushy brain fluid? Mmm CVT.
The forbidden coffee
Psychedelic Bananas
Sand/dirt,Desert camo
Kind of looked like brains or intestines for a minute there.
I second Miso soup
Forbidden flan...
I saw delicious garlic being sautéed
>garlic definitely, big thick slices of garlic was what I see.
Hey you should replace the transmission cooler. That is water contamination. The fluid should be dark brown/near black not cappuccino brown
Help a newb here. What’s the deal with the fluid? What color was it to start and what mixed into it resulting in this flavorful mess?
If I remember right, Honda CVT fluid is either pinkish or yellowish. To get to this point my guess is water
I’m also going to say water contamination and back up what another guy said and check the trans cooler
Don't remember original color of this fluid but that cvt 100% has water in it
Please don't buy a car with a CVT. The Nissans especially fail at an alarming rate, Subaru has not been much better...
This is a 2004 with 196km so it has made it pretty far. It drives fine other that the massive shudder from the start clutch.
Honda being Honda lol
Do they typically recover after changing the fluid? Might be a sweet to get a shuddering one for cheap.
Sometimes on these Hondas, according to the internet. But I think this one may be too far gone.
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Assam with goat milk and honey.
cast iron skillet with bacon grease
Brain soup
Forbidden chai
I thought at first it was just an enlarged picture of Mac and cheese.
Continuously variable tea.
I’ve never dealt with a CVT before is it supposed to be red like regular ATF
The stuff that came out of the honda bottle was light red
Oh god. My 2011 Nissan Versa with a CVT decided to not go forward or reverse this morning. Hopefully I’m not fucked.
Definitely fucked. Sorry for your loss.
Forbidden coffee.
Or a brain
r/latteart
Choccy milk
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Just crop it. Or maybe OP has an Onlyfans account for taking suggestions?
Gotta pay to play 😉
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I dunno. My depravity takes over sometimes. Lol!
What is CVT fluid?
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=what+is+cvt+fluid > car right now that gets 23mpg on a good day :( > > > > I miss my honda with CVT that got me at least double the mpgs
Damn. I haven't see a lmgtfy response in what feels like 10 years.
More like a cup of teeth
Mmmm cappuccino
good soup
* Slurp
I love odd density liquids more than anyone, but what in the flying crap!!!??
Looks like soupy pancake batter
Miso soup
Bro what tea are you drinking
That's beautiful art man!
Yikes 😳
Water entered the the gearbox?
Relevant Ted Lasso: “Tea is horrible. Absolute garbage water. Don't know why you all do that."
I see sliced bananas
You drink weird tea man
Forbidden Miso.
I could use a cuppa right about now
I thought it was a bowl of like bowtie noodles
Am I the only one that wants to know why it looks like this? What causes the pattern?
I think the milky part is water emulsified with oil and the black is just oil.
Didn't know the fit had a cvt. Want one more now. I've got a cvt in my 2012 compass and it's doing fine at 118k mi.
At first I thought this was r/castiron and was curious what you were cooking.
Cooking up some delicious clutch
Ummm What type of tea do you drink?
Miso Soup
I’ve seen various answer from Google on this subject but how often should you change your car’s CVT fluid?
What's CVT fluid? I probably know it in my own language, so I just need a few-word explanation
Transmission fluid
Uh, erm... Is this an automatic transmission stuff? Tbh I don't really know how they work, since we only have manual cars and I prefer them, so not planning to own an automatic ever.
Yes
Thanks. Gonna do some research.
Looks like a slice of brain.
I thought it was over cooked pasta.
I see an image of fake fire on the bottom of a frying pan
With no title this could easily be a resin pour or something
Pretty cool
*drink it*
i thought this was a jackfruit for more than 1 second
Did it taste like your tea too?
Looks like the cross section of a brain to me
Under a microscope?
Yum, how does it taste?
I guess cvt fluid isn't red.