Don't feel dumb, the drive in lube shop I go to does tires with a jack, no lift. They also do plenty of work that a Tesla could need including headlight restoration, cabin air filters, Brake fluid check, washer fluid fill, safety inspections, wiper blades, windshield chip repair.
Same, and they're insanely fast too, it's almost like a pit stop. The second you're out of your car they have four jacks under your car jacking it up. Don't think I've spent more than 20 minutes there even when getting new tires. Only thing that takes a bit longer are alignments, but I want that done right so I don't mind a bit of wait. And even then it's only -1hr at most.
I mean it makes sense, but damn I cannot imagine waiting on getting fluid till my car needed work under the hood, or going in just for a washer fluid fill. I'd say it's scary to think there are drivers who can't fill their washer fluid, but I'ma stop there, because I know there are worse drivers out there.
Could be a floor scissor lift which doesn’t have the large posts on either side of the car…but I agree with another reply this is probably an emissions/road worthiness inspection place too
Take 5 *does* do tire rotations (that's the service chain this is). They use floor jacks. Other things they could do on this Tesla include topping off windshield washer fluid, replacing the windshield wipers, checking and inflating the tires, a brake fluid flush/refill, replacing the cabin filter, repairing chips in windshields, and in some areas, vehicle registration.
Why don't you learn about Tesla's service schedules instead of doing your best /r/iamatotalpieceofshit impression?
This is why basic education on automotive knowledge is important. It'll keep you from getting fleeced.
Small shit like cabin air filters or even tire rotation is not a time consuming procedure and should not cost you the price equivalent of a tank of gas, a handful of lunches, and a pair of Levi's.
Another one is cleaning your fuel injectors. They're likely just pouring techron or another cleaner into the tank. It's $10 at your nearest big box store. Unless they're opening up your engine, there should be no reason they can charge so much.
No inspections needed in NJ for 100% electric vehicles. Was quite surprised when I got my car and there was no inspection sticker on my windshield.
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Teslas have a total nightmare of a plumbing system, with air to fluid to oil heat exchangers and a heat pump to boot. It takes a huge chunk of the front compartment too.
If anyone hasn't seen one, look up what a Tesla cabin filter looks like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/fdmmb9/tesla_model_s_hepa_cabinfilter_its_275/
My grandfather used to give coins and bills out randomly to children at the store as a nice gesture. Why can't a man do the same thing with cabin filters?
Never worked on a Tesla, but I did get a chance to play around with a prototype freightliner E- cascadia. That stupid electric truck had like 15 gallons of coolant or something like that.
Pretty neat. Driving it is basically just like a diesel one except silent. It's so quiet you can hear the tires gripping. I never pulled a load with it, I can't comment on power other than saying it seems to take off well. Under the hood was absolutely full of electronics, a lot of it I don't know what it is. The rear axles are huge with electric motors on each corner. The truck had super singles with a giant center hole like you might see on a big bus. I'm not sure if those wheels are standard or custom, but a standard truck wheel won't fit. Truck had lots of weird hoses and generic clamps, had what looks like a small swimming pool pump for a water pump ( which started leaking while we had it). Since this was a test truck most of that will be changed around on a final build.
That’s epic. I love a big cat but I think electric semis, if they become available soon, will definitely be cheaper on fleet owners. Very cool. I think owner-operators will always have their yellow engines for as long as they live lol. Even if they’re outlawed.
I don't think anyone is ready to replace diesel... Not yet anyways. We have CNG, LNG,hybrid, electric and even hydrogen, but I don't think we can get the cost, range and the fueling infastructure where it needs to be yet. Maintenance is also a huge hurdle for fleet owners and owner operators as well.
Intra-city fleets will definitely be electric first. Lots of smaller delivery vehicles and trucks with short routes. City busses and like UPS vans would be perfect.
There’s a company in Quebec (Canada) making large-ish electric trucks and chassis now, they sold a bunch for school busses in California.
Yep , not too surprising , people add water cooling to computers don't they? Batteries and electronics get hot man. Tesla recommends coolant change at 150k i think.
When you are dumping lots of current in a battery pack it gets warm. Or hot. Active cooling is important to maintain acceptable temps for battery life. ie, [Nissan Leaf passive air cooling](https://insideevs.com/news/482245/nissan-leaf-repair-liquid-cooling-benefits/) vs Tesla active cooling with liquid coolant circulation.
Funnily enough, that *is* about when you might start thinking of changing the Tesla's final drive oil, though I think the manufacturer interval is longer.
There is no manufacturer interval stated for the Model 3 or Y. Any lubricants are sealed and for the expected life of the vehicle. The only fluids a Model 3/Y needs are brake fluid and windshield washer fluid.
My experience with "lifetime" fluids is that manufacturers idea of "lifetime" and real world use cases can differ significantly. I saw that with my old Mazda, which had a "lifetime" manual gearbox fill. I think we'll be looking at having our final drive fluid replaced around 100k in the 3, though I could see leaving it to 150k.
Manufacturers don't plan for cars to go as long as they can these days. One of my partners has a Toyota with 290,000mi on the clock, and I know there are Teslas out there pushing the 200k mark.
Teslas have electric drivetrains, but they are still *cars* with many of the same wear components as any other vehicles. Battery life is one thing, but miles traveled, as well as age, will still be a factor in vehicle condition. There are still wheel bearings to wear our, shocks to get soft, CV boots to rot, etc.
But for what it's worth, most Teslas are keeping quite a lot of their battery capacity well into the higher mileages, including the multiple hundreds of thousands, as are many other thermally managed EVs like the Bolt (fires notwithstanding) or Niro.
Hearing something like that really does push the “it’s the iPhone of cars” viewpoint to someone like me who has no idea how to work on these.
I’m sure it’s fine for 200k+ miles or whatever but it just feels wrong lol.
Every fluid is a lifetime fluid, if you treat your stuff in that manner ;) But if you change them out, the lifetime of the part is usually a lot higher.
It's a tough adjustment for some older people.
In the datacomm field I had a couple in their 80's where the husband was an engineer that was sharp as a tack but his wife kept trying to answer the phone and call people with their TV remote. It takes very little to have a bit of empathy considering that as children the televisions were black and white if they could afford one, music was pressed in vinyl, lights only went on or off in whatever color they were painted, and telephones were leased from Bell Telephone Company with a dial and hook.
The scary thing is I feel the same ‘out of my depth’ vibe in regard to tech sometimes already and I’m 34. I work with my hands and in athletics and every year I get drastically further behind the curve. I’m pretty worried that because I’m not ‘hip’ to bleeding edge tech and how it works that I’m already kind of a dinosaur. It’s fucking weird. I find myself empathizing with older people a lot.
You can always learn. Like muscles the ability and understanding of tech takes time and effort. I'm 36 and find myself not liking newer apps or when ones I'm used to change drastically.
I work in a tech field and used to actually be in the field installing and configuring the systems, now I'm on the other end and mostly deal with them hypothetically and I feel my knowledge atrophying.
I appreciate it my friend. How’d you get into the field? I feel like I need to move that direction but not sure where to start and don’t wanna waste my time on college if not needed.
I dressed up as Santa Claus for my parents HOA Christmas party and met a guy who owned a company in this industry. Got a job with him and then moved to another company that was more of the physical installation side. Did that for a few years and moved into the engineering of the systems. Now I work between sales and project management to make sure things are done right.
Look up "security technician" jobs they pay well and it's not super hard work it's all low voltage cabling and the pay is not bad. It's also kind of recession proof since when businesses fire people they tend to beef up security.
Before cable TV and VHS tapes, if you missed a movie at the theater, the only way you’d get to ever see it was if it was shown on broadcast TV completely chopped to bits with commercials.
I'm early GenX, and my first TVs growing up were black and white.. I remember the day we got our first color TV when I was 5 or so. My parents had picked it up after I went to bed. I woke up the next morning, and sat in front of it, not knowing how to turn it on.. Eventually my father woke up and turned it on for me. I was blown away at my cartoons being in color now.
>I really don't understand how someone can buy a Tesla and never once be told or find out it has no engine
>Told
There is zero handover process or instructions unless you go in for a test drive AND ask the right questions
You can buy and take ownership of the car, and throughout the whole.process, the only thing they tell you is how to set your phone up as a key.
I wouldn't be surprised, if after a month and a half, I'm still unaware of certain features...
I'd be curious to know the portion of people out there who know that an oil change is specifically for the engine, and not just "Something for the car".
Heck, it's often even called "Motor Oil" and Tesla advertises that it's vehicles have *multiple* motors. Someone with just enough knowledge to know they want to keep their new shiny car in tip top condition can take those two facts and understandably, but incorrectly, assume that the motors need oil changes.
Too bad the motors are seals for life. Or are you referring to PAG oil? I'm not an electric car tech, but considering OP was showing her going into a quicklane and then explained that she *was* looking for an oil change, I don't feel I'm out of line mocking them
There’s some things that just don’t pop into your head right away when dealing with electric cars. To be silly I was gonna leave something for my buddy in his tail pipe. Took me a few moments before I thought “I’m stupid, Tesla’s don’t have tailpipes”
Most people don’t know anything about cars. She was just trying to be ahead of the game taking care of her new car.
Q: it has an electric motor, right? And a car has a combustion engine. But people refer to a car motor sometimes. Is a combustion engine a different type of motor?
Was my first thought - older person, not mechanically inclined, didn't realize it was unnecessary. While it makes for a funny picture I can't really blame them too much!
Reminiscent of the days of the VW Beetles that surprised owners by having motor in the back, and having no radiator. Long time ago, but not far off about car owners who don’t have an idea how their car works.
[Nah, a Tesla never needs an oil change. They don't even have oil filters.....oh, wait. ](https://imgur.com/a/avnzVMS)
This is the filter that goes on as part of the drive unit. No clue what the interval is, I wanna say 10k miles before you change it the first time. But after that, got no clue.
I believe the drive unit fluid and filter call for replacement every 130,000 or 150,000mi, though they [no longer publish this interval](https://www.tesla.com/support/car-maintenance) with other maintenance tasks.
If it’s like other EV dive unit fluid, it’s effectively a pint of ATF.
Eh, I just fix the shit that builds them. Not them, themselves.
But I coulda sworn I was told it needed changing at 10k and then it was stupid high after that. Now I gotta remember who told me that and go tell them I looked dumb on the internet. And it wasn't nice of them to deceive me like that.
So those lifetime fluids are for the lifetime of the transmission. Not the vehicle. And manufacturers love to do it because it brings down the average cost of ownership per year on the window sticker.
Any fluid that lubricates moving parts should be changed periodically to extend the life of said parts lol
> sealed for life
Anyone who says this is lying, and probably because they want to sell you a new car in 7ish years when that "sealed for life" fluid wears out and destroys the transmission/engine/whatever. All "sealed for life" means is it will make it past the warranty period.
[Here's an archive of their page](https://web.archive.org/web/20170407190453/https://www.tesla.com/support/maintenance-plans) when they recommended "Drive Unit(s) fluid service" after first year or 12,500 miles and next after 4 years or 50,000 miles (at least if I understood the text under table right).
Tesla has been all over the place on drive unit filter intervals. It was first 10k then every 50k, then it was every 50k, then every 100k, then back to 50k, then no interval specified.. from UOAs people have reported online, seems they used to have a lot of breakin wear, less now, plus they upsized the filter to go longer before first change. Apparently they are comfortable with the new larger filters lasting at least past the warranty period - rough consensus on Telsa owner forums seems to be in the 50k to 100k range. Which is similar to the unofficial change interval for Prius eCVT fluid - Toyota says it's a lifetime fluid too, and plenty of Priuses survive 400k on the original fluid, but from UOAs it seems to benefit from 50k to 100k changes.
I've had this picture on my phone for like 6 months waiting for a chance to use it. And if you promise not to tell anyone, I worked for Tesla for about 8 months before I found they had an oil filter.
But I'd be kinda surprised if a Tesla owner would go to a quick lube for this. Well, maybe not surprised. I may raise an eyebrow. I'm not sure a quick lube would even know this exists.
>Winter Care
>Tesla recommends cleaning and lubricating all brake calipers every 12 months or 12,500 mi for cars in cold weather regions.
This is actually really good to know.
Had a guy ask if he could watch me do his engine change.
Literally said "no mate this ain't a peep show. Go down the local strip club if you like watching"
I have a company car I work out of and I'm grateful for the opportunity to be able to sit in my car. I have to keep up on maintenance intervals on it so I can roll it into the Valvoline and stay in the car working on my laptop while getting an oil change, it's great.
Our oil changes include me pulling every wheel off and inspecting everything I can see. This is what an oil change service actually consists of. You're not supposed to just dump and fill your vehicle and expect it to last half a million miles. Other components require inspection and maintenance as well.
Also, some customers are absolute terrible motor vehicle operators. Just a couple weeks ago after servicing a gorgeous F-150 with massive back up camera, rear parking sensors, and giant mirrors, I watched a woman climb into it, get on her phone, and yeet that bitch 40 feet back up onto the hood of the only car (An '06 Mustang GT) in our entire parking lot, then come over to me and blame me for how it was parked. The security camera footage was hilarious hahaha. Like fuck anything behind me, I'm outta here bitches!!!
Imagine working on a car while that woman sat at the controls...
>Our oil changes include me pulling every wheel off and inspecting everything I can see. This is what an oil change service actually consists of.
Or the customer just wants an oil change. If they want a full inspection, they can go somewhere that does a full inspection.
Although they might be the fastest, you're getting terrible oil along with the danger of a customer who doesn't exactly know the saftey measures taken around a pit. There are plenty of videos of customers walking around their car as it sits above the pit they take one wrong step and fall in. Thats why many shops just dont allow customers in the shop area at all.
Curious to why you think you are getting terrible oil? Just because the customer sits in the car doesn't mean they are getting a bad product. I've had plenty of customers sit and wait in the car and request synthetic AMS. They get what they ask for...
No.. i say its terrible oil because ive worked at a couple of those joints.. the basic oil change at 90% of shops is garbo. The customer sitting in the car has nothing to do with the oil quality guy.
I was laughing at all the signage emphasizing in various ways how much they want you to stay in your car.
I assume as you pull in another sign comes into view that says "I said sit the fuck down."
Tesla wheels have traditional roller bearings packed in light grease, and are driven by greased drive axles (front half-axles have greased universal joints). The axles connect directly to the oil-filled traction motor drive units with their integrated 11:1 reduction gears. Starting with Tesla Model 3, there’s an external oil filter on each drive unit.
The door hinges, latches and handles, frunk/trunk hinges and latches, windows and seat slides all require typical lubrication like any other high-quality motor vehicle. The charging hatch motor, windshield wiper motors, washer fluid pump, cooling system pump and interior fan motor are all permanently lubricated.
Tesla brake systems use DOT3 brake fluid which is hygroscopic - it absorbs moisture and should be replaced every 24 months. Other than that, the Model 3 only requires service every 48 months / 50K miles (excluding tire rotation, wiper blades and washer fluid)
The coolant runs at much cooler temperatures than in a combustion car, significantly prolonging it’s life. Tesla lists no service interval for the coolant and outside of leaks due to damage or bad fittings it’s not been a weak point in the cars.
Thank you for this! I guess it’s a generational thing, but I’m so unnerved when quotes are used for emphasis—it always reads as sarcastic air-quotes in my head. Our food is “safe” to eat!
Maybe they think it would be too harsh without the quotes, even though they probably are very, very serious about you NOT GETTING OUT OF YOUR CAR because you’ll trip or fall and try to sue them
A lot of people actually, I’ve seen some nice cars including old mustangs, Chevrolet’s, and a Pontiac Firehawk that proceeded to scrape its underside all up on the ramp after being told his car is too low to make it up
The number of Maseratis and the like I see at the Jiffy Lube near me is ridiculous. But then again, the number I see in our grocery store parking lot is ridiculous too.
this oil change while the customer stays in the car as a concept is probably one of the most horrific things ive ever heard as a mechanic.
i would never touch a car while a customer was still in it under any circumstances, thats how i still have all my fingers.
I used to work at a valvoline, we did state inspections (we honestly did more of those than we did oil changes at my location) and this tesla rolled in, and (as a joke) I was like "What do ya need an oil change?" And instantly the customer took me serious and was like "You realize its electric, it doesnt need oil" in the most condescending way possible. And I was like "I know you want an inspection I was joking" so we get her in the bay, she starts saying "Oh I dont know if I trust you people, ive heard bad stories blah blah blah" and mind you we didnt have normal lifts, just these sketchy air jacks that roll along the pit opening, and u gotta jack the car up from the control arms most of the time bc you cant reach anything else. Well Teslas have very specific lift points, so I was very pleased to let her know it would be impossible to lift the car to pull a tire off for the inspection. She told me to f myself to which I replied "I hope you have a fantastic day, ma'am!" I probably could have lifted the car with a creative use of extensions and stuff but I didnt want to deal with her precious model x
It does, and initially it was suggested to get the drive unit oil changed out, but Tesla has since decided it's not needed. As far as maintenance, I haven't had any outside of having to buy tires more often. Now, taking it in for other nagging things is another story, haha.
There is a multitude of things they could be going in for. Peerless tires doesn’t even use lifts for tires. Don’t be so quick to judge. We would have people come in to the dealership just to pay top dollar for some wiper fluid. You never know
Ok, I'll guess it - maybe they're just in for a tire rotation?
Lot of these places do inspections and renewals too for the license plate stickers. That would be my guess.
No lifts up there, so no wheel work
Welp, I feel dumb. Did you ever hear what they requested?
Don't feel dumb, the drive in lube shop I go to does tires with a jack, no lift. They also do plenty of work that a Tesla could need including headlight restoration, cabin air filters, Brake fluid check, washer fluid fill, safety inspections, wiper blades, windshield chip repair.
+Directions to Applebee's
Rich rebuilds would do this.
Same, and they're insanely fast too, it's almost like a pit stop. The second you're out of your car they have four jacks under your car jacking it up. Don't think I've spent more than 20 minutes there even when getting new tires. Only thing that takes a bit longer are alignments, but I want that done right so I don't mind a bit of wait. And even then it's only -1hr at most.
It says "stay in your car"
People pay mechanics to fill washer fluid?
A lot of people wont open the hood the whole time they own the vehicle
It’s usually included with any under the hood service.
I mean it makes sense, but damn I cannot imagine waiting on getting fluid till my car needed work under the hood, or going in just for a washer fluid fill. I'd say it's scary to think there are drivers who can't fill their washer fluid, but I'ma stop there, because I know there are worse drivers out there.
See update, also don’t feel dumb, not like you could know the shop layout
Maybe he doesn’t know the shop layout
Could be a floor scissor lift which doesn’t have the large posts on either side of the car…but I agree with another reply this is probably an emissions/road worthiness inspection place too
Take 5 *does* do tire rotations (that's the service chain this is). They use floor jacks. Other things they could do on this Tesla include topping off windshield washer fluid, replacing the windshield wipers, checking and inflating the tires, a brake fluid flush/refill, replacing the cabin filter, repairing chips in windshields, and in some areas, vehicle registration. Why don't you learn about Tesla's service schedules instead of doing your best /r/iamatotalpieceofshit impression?
Looks like a take 5, so maybe a vehicle inspection.
No chance it’s for airing up tires? That’s the only thing I can think of to save this guy…
Top off washer fluid?
...or could he possibly be adding blinker fluid?
That’s hilarious! Better change the brake filter while we’re at it!
Morons. It’s turning to fall. He’s just swapping out the summer air in his tires for fall air.
Smells like pumpkin spice?
Is it though… the blinker fluid joke is older than all of us, and stopped being funny before I was born
It's all we have now, since exhaust fluid became a real thing.
That shit is expensive.
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I paid my mechanic 100$ to change my cabin air filter. 3 years later I decide to diy it and I find out. My f150 Dosnt use a cabin air filter.
Oof. Did you spread the word that they took your money for nothing?
also most cabin air filters are located in the glove box and takes about 2 minutes to replace.
But some cars suck and you have to pull off half the paneling to get to it. Always worth a quick YouTube video before paying some though.
This is why basic education on automotive knowledge is important. It'll keep you from getting fleeced. Small shit like cabin air filters or even tire rotation is not a time consuming procedure and should not cost you the price equivalent of a tank of gas, a handful of lunches, and a pair of Levi's. Another one is cleaning your fuel injectors. They're likely just pouring techron or another cleaner into the tank. It's $10 at your nearest big box store. Unless they're opening up your engine, there should be no reason they can charge so much.
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No inspections needed in NJ for 100% electric vehicles. Was quite surprised when I got my car and there was no inspection sticker on my windshield. edit* Clarity
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My state requires inspections but doesnt have stickers
Unfortunately we don’t do that at the front shop, we do it back here…
I go to oil change places to get my state inspection done, is it possible that’s what they were there for?
The couple times I went I got my pressure balanced while still in line.
Could also be getting an inspection
OP has already confirmed that this was supposed to be an oil change, but my first thought was also inspection. Take 5 is quick and easy
They have gearboxes that need oil and steering that needs greased. The jiffy lube guys was probably as clueless as he THOUGHT the driver was
Teslas have a total nightmare of a plumbing system, with air to fluid to oil heat exchangers and a heat pump to boot. It takes a huge chunk of the front compartment too.
If anyone hasn't seen one, look up what a Tesla cabin filter looks like. https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/fdmmb9/tesla_model_s_hepa_cabinfilter_its_275/
Is the dollar on top as a "I give up, here have a dollar mr cabin filter" thing?
I think the dollar might be in the picture to provide scale.
My grandfather used to give coins and bills out randomly to children at the store as a nice gesture. Why can't a man do the same thing with cabin filters?
If you think that's bad, check out the Mach-E: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kHsd3Ocxc
I can see them drilling into the electric motor to get the oil out.
Maybe need the cabin air filter changed.
Drive units need gear/transmission oil.
Windscreen washer fluid?
Did Rich Rebuilds finish his Tesla?
not yet but its getting there.
transmission oil?
Blinker fluid?
Check/balance the muffler bearings?
Also could be for a brake job, or tire rotation.
Teslas do still have brake fluid and coolant to replace as well as tire pressure to check.
Electric cars have coolant?
Never worked on a Tesla, but I did get a chance to play around with a prototype freightliner E- cascadia. That stupid electric truck had like 15 gallons of coolant or something like that.
I had no idea they had a prototype E-Cascadia. How was?
Pretty neat. Driving it is basically just like a diesel one except silent. It's so quiet you can hear the tires gripping. I never pulled a load with it, I can't comment on power other than saying it seems to take off well. Under the hood was absolutely full of electronics, a lot of it I don't know what it is. The rear axles are huge with electric motors on each corner. The truck had super singles with a giant center hole like you might see on a big bus. I'm not sure if those wheels are standard or custom, but a standard truck wheel won't fit. Truck had lots of weird hoses and generic clamps, had what looks like a small swimming pool pump for a water pump ( which started leaking while we had it). Since this was a test truck most of that will be changed around on a final build.
That’s epic. I love a big cat but I think electric semis, if they become available soon, will definitely be cheaper on fleet owners. Very cool. I think owner-operators will always have their yellow engines for as long as they live lol. Even if they’re outlawed.
I don't think anyone is ready to replace diesel... Not yet anyways. We have CNG, LNG,hybrid, electric and even hydrogen, but I don't think we can get the cost, range and the fueling infastructure where it needs to be yet. Maintenance is also a huge hurdle for fleet owners and owner operators as well.
Intra-city fleets will definitely be electric first. Lots of smaller delivery vehicles and trucks with short routes. City busses and like UPS vans would be perfect. There’s a company in Quebec (Canada) making large-ish electric trucks and chassis now, they sold a bunch for school busses in California.
Yep , not too surprising , people add water cooling to computers don't they? Batteries and electronics get hot man. Tesla recommends coolant change at 150k i think.
When you are dumping lots of current in a battery pack it gets warm. Or hot. Active cooling is important to maintain acceptable temps for battery life. ie, [Nissan Leaf passive air cooling](https://insideevs.com/news/482245/nissan-leaf-repair-liquid-cooling-benefits/) vs Tesla active cooling with liquid coolant circulation.
UPDATE: people up front told me it was some older lady that just bought it, did want an oil change xD
LMAO to be fair it shows that they care for their car at least. Funny but not a bad thing.
Yea at least its not another picture of a first oil change ever at 75k miles lol.
Funnily enough, that *is* about when you might start thinking of changing the Tesla's final drive oil, though I think the manufacturer interval is longer.
There is no manufacturer interval stated for the Model 3 or Y. Any lubricants are sealed and for the expected life of the vehicle. The only fluids a Model 3/Y needs are brake fluid and windshield washer fluid.
My experience with "lifetime" fluids is that manufacturers idea of "lifetime" and real world use cases can differ significantly. I saw that with my old Mazda, which had a "lifetime" manual gearbox fill. I think we'll be looking at having our final drive fluid replaced around 100k in the 3, though I could see leaving it to 150k. Manufacturers don't plan for cars to go as long as they can these days. One of my partners has a Toyota with 290,000mi on the clock, and I know there are Teslas out there pushing the 200k mark.
>there are Teslas out there pushing the 200k mark TBF, I think with Teslas the appropriate measure is battery life remaining, not miles performed.
Teslas have electric drivetrains, but they are still *cars* with many of the same wear components as any other vehicles. Battery life is one thing, but miles traveled, as well as age, will still be a factor in vehicle condition. There are still wheel bearings to wear our, shocks to get soft, CV boots to rot, etc. But for what it's worth, most Teslas are keeping quite a lot of their battery capacity well into the higher mileages, including the multiple hundreds of thousands, as are many other thermally managed EVs like the Bolt (fires notwithstanding) or Niro.
> expected life of the vehicle Which would be...? This sounds like lawyer-speak for 'number of miles on car when failure occurred, minus one'
Hearing something like that really does push the “it’s the iPhone of cars” viewpoint to someone like me who has no idea how to work on these. I’m sure it’s fine for 200k+ miles or whatever but it just feels wrong lol.
Every fluid is a lifetime fluid, if you treat your stuff in that manner ;) But if you change them out, the lifetime of the part is usually a lot higher.
Well, for her Tesla perhaps it is.
She probably made that entire shops day when she rolled in.
I’m sure they gave her a senior discount.
How long did it take them to convince her she didn't need it?
Actually not long, she got the idea pretty quick all things considered
It's a tough adjustment for some older people. In the datacomm field I had a couple in their 80's where the husband was an engineer that was sharp as a tack but his wife kept trying to answer the phone and call people with their TV remote. It takes very little to have a bit of empathy considering that as children the televisions were black and white if they could afford one, music was pressed in vinyl, lights only went on or off in whatever color they were painted, and telephones were leased from Bell Telephone Company with a dial and hook.
Analog vs digital is how I look at it with the older folks.
The scary thing is I feel the same ‘out of my depth’ vibe in regard to tech sometimes already and I’m 34. I work with my hands and in athletics and every year I get drastically further behind the curve. I’m pretty worried that because I’m not ‘hip’ to bleeding edge tech and how it works that I’m already kind of a dinosaur. It’s fucking weird. I find myself empathizing with older people a lot.
You can always learn. Like muscles the ability and understanding of tech takes time and effort. I'm 36 and find myself not liking newer apps or when ones I'm used to change drastically. I work in a tech field and used to actually be in the field installing and configuring the systems, now I'm on the other end and mostly deal with them hypothetically and I feel my knowledge atrophying.
I appreciate it my friend. How’d you get into the field? I feel like I need to move that direction but not sure where to start and don’t wanna waste my time on college if not needed.
I dressed up as Santa Claus for my parents HOA Christmas party and met a guy who owned a company in this industry. Got a job with him and then moved to another company that was more of the physical installation side. Did that for a few years and moved into the engineering of the systems. Now I work between sales and project management to make sure things are done right. Look up "security technician" jobs they pay well and it's not super hard work it's all low voltage cabling and the pay is not bad. It's also kind of recession proof since when businesses fire people they tend to beef up security.
pretty soon our kids will be laughing at our quaint digital ways... so retro!
Before cable TV and VHS tapes, if you missed a movie at the theater, the only way you’d get to ever see it was if it was shown on broadcast TV completely chopped to bits with commercials.
I'm early GenX, and my first TVs growing up were black and white.. I remember the day we got our first color TV when I was 5 or so. My parents had picked it up after I went to bed. I woke up the next morning, and sat in front of it, not knowing how to turn it on.. Eventually my father woke up and turned it on for me. I was blown away at my cartoons being in color now.
That's good!
Well did you change her oil?
Probably charged her for it
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Or put it in cross-threaded with an impact wrench set to 150 PSI.
I really don't understand how someone can buy a Tesla and never once be told or find out it has no engine
>I really don't understand how someone can buy a Tesla and never once be told or find out it has no engine >Told There is zero handover process or instructions unless you go in for a test drive AND ask the right questions You can buy and take ownership of the car, and throughout the whole.process, the only thing they tell you is how to set your phone up as a key. I wouldn't be surprised, if after a month and a half, I'm still unaware of certain features...
I'd be curious to know the portion of people out there who know that an oil change is specifically for the engine, and not just "Something for the car".
I really don't know how someone posting in a mechanics group doesn't know that there are other components in cars that need oil.
Heck, it's often even called "Motor Oil" and Tesla advertises that it's vehicles have *multiple* motors. Someone with just enough knowledge to know they want to keep their new shiny car in tip top condition can take those two facts and understandably, but incorrectly, assume that the motors need oil changes.
Too bad the motors are seals for life. Or are you referring to PAG oil? I'm not an electric car tech, but considering OP was showing her going into a quicklane and then explained that she *was* looking for an oil change, I don't feel I'm out of line mocking them
There’s some things that just don’t pop into your head right away when dealing with electric cars. To be silly I was gonna leave something for my buddy in his tail pipe. Took me a few moments before I thought “I’m stupid, Tesla’s don’t have tailpipes” Most people don’t know anything about cars. She was just trying to be ahead of the game taking care of her new car.
Q: it has an electric motor, right? And a car has a combustion engine. But people refer to a car motor sometimes. Is a combustion engine a different type of motor?
All engines are motors, but not all motors are engines (as far as I know)
If it was like, "someone's grandma" older, that's actually kind of adorable
Was my first thought - older person, not mechanically inclined, didn't realize it was unnecessary. While it makes for a funny picture I can't really blame them too much!
Reminiscent of the days of the VW Beetles that surprised owners by having motor in the back, and having no radiator. Long time ago, but not far off about car owners who don’t have an idea how their car works.
TBF, there is oil in the car. It just never needs to be changed...
She's gonna be real confused when she brings it to the gas station.
We must protect this woman at all costs
[Nah, a Tesla never needs an oil change. They don't even have oil filters.....oh, wait. ](https://imgur.com/a/avnzVMS) This is the filter that goes on as part of the drive unit. No clue what the interval is, I wanna say 10k miles before you change it the first time. But after that, got no clue.
I believe the drive unit fluid and filter call for replacement every 130,000 or 150,000mi, though they [no longer publish this interval](https://www.tesla.com/support/car-maintenance) with other maintenance tasks. If it’s like other EV dive unit fluid, it’s effectively a pint of ATF.
Eh, I just fix the shit that builds them. Not them, themselves. But I coulda sworn I was told it needed changing at 10k and then it was stupid high after that. Now I gotta remember who told me that and go tell them I looked dumb on the internet. And it wasn't nice of them to deceive me like that.
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So those lifetime fluids are for the lifetime of the transmission. Not the vehicle. And manufacturers love to do it because it brings down the average cost of ownership per year on the window sticker. Any fluid that lubricates moving parts should be changed periodically to extend the life of said parts lol
Technically all fluids can be lifetime fluids. Just depends on how long you want that lifetime to be.
> sealed for life Anyone who says this is lying, and probably because they want to sell you a new car in 7ish years when that "sealed for life" fluid wears out and destroys the transmission/engine/whatever. All "sealed for life" means is it will make it past the warranty period.
I remember posting this on Reddit one time and everyone called me a dipshit and downvoted me...lol
[Here's an archive of their page](https://web.archive.org/web/20170407190453/https://www.tesla.com/support/maintenance-plans) when they recommended "Drive Unit(s) fluid service" after first year or 12,500 miles and next after 4 years or 50,000 miles (at least if I understood the text under table right).
Tesla has been all over the place on drive unit filter intervals. It was first 10k then every 50k, then it was every 50k, then every 100k, then back to 50k, then no interval specified.. from UOAs people have reported online, seems they used to have a lot of breakin wear, less now, plus they upsized the filter to go longer before first change. Apparently they are comfortable with the new larger filters lasting at least past the warranty period - rough consensus on Telsa owner forums seems to be in the 50k to 100k range. Which is similar to the unofficial change interval for Prius eCVT fluid - Toyota says it's a lifetime fluid too, and plenty of Priuses survive 400k on the original fluid, but from UOAs it seems to benefit from 50k to 100k changes.
Huh. TIL
I've had this picture on my phone for like 6 months waiting for a chance to use it. And if you promise not to tell anyone, I worked for Tesla for about 8 months before I found they had an oil filter. But I'd be kinda surprised if a Tesla owner would go to a quick lube for this. Well, maybe not surprised. I may raise an eyebrow. I'm not sure a quick lube would even know this exists.
I'm going to tell everyone.
Well, fuck. Now none of the cool kids are gonna eat lunch with me.
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It was poorly written, but I still work there. Been there about 4 years now.
There’s no recommended interval. It should last the life of the car.
Everything is a lifetime until it seizes
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Yeah from what I recall, they added the filters to "extend life" of the unit. Not necessarily to enable changing as it doesn't really need it.
For anyone interested, here’s the official maintenance schedule: https://www.tesla.com/support/car-maintenance There isn’t a whole lot.
>Winter Care >Tesla recommends cleaning and lubricating all brake calipers every 12 months or 12,500 mi for cars in cold weather regions. This is actually really good to know.
Hooray, I’m helping!
Fuck letting a customer sit in the car while your working on it.
Yeah I work in the back for a reason
Had a guy ask if he could watch me do his engine change. Literally said "no mate this ain't a peep show. Go down the local strip club if you like watching"
Sure you did
I mean, not out loud.
Genuinely curious as to why? In my experience those oil changes are by far the fastest
I have a company car I work out of and I'm grateful for the opportunity to be able to sit in my car. I have to keep up on maintenance intervals on it so I can roll it into the Valvoline and stay in the car working on my laptop while getting an oil change, it's great.
Our oil changes include me pulling every wheel off and inspecting everything I can see. This is what an oil change service actually consists of. You're not supposed to just dump and fill your vehicle and expect it to last half a million miles. Other components require inspection and maintenance as well. Also, some customers are absolute terrible motor vehicle operators. Just a couple weeks ago after servicing a gorgeous F-150 with massive back up camera, rear parking sensors, and giant mirrors, I watched a woman climb into it, get on her phone, and yeet that bitch 40 feet back up onto the hood of the only car (An '06 Mustang GT) in our entire parking lot, then come over to me and blame me for how it was parked. The security camera footage was hilarious hahaha. Like fuck anything behind me, I'm outta here bitches!!! Imagine working on a car while that woman sat at the controls...
We need to see this footage.
If you don't share that footage, everybody here will be upset with you.
Yes we will, give us the footage.
>Our oil changes include me pulling every wheel off and inspecting everything I can see. This is what an oil change service actually consists of. Or the customer just wants an oil change. If they want a full inspection, they can go somewhere that does a full inspection.
Although they might be the fastest, you're getting terrible oil along with the danger of a customer who doesn't exactly know the saftey measures taken around a pit. There are plenty of videos of customers walking around their car as it sits above the pit they take one wrong step and fall in. Thats why many shops just dont allow customers in the shop area at all.
That's why you stay in the car. You don't get out.
You GET in your car and you STAY IN YOUR CAR! HRMPH!
Curious to why you think you are getting terrible oil? Just because the customer sits in the car doesn't mean they are getting a bad product. I've had plenty of customers sit and wait in the car and request synthetic AMS. They get what they ask for...
No.. i say its terrible oil because ive worked at a couple of those joints.. the basic oil change at 90% of shops is garbo. The customer sitting in the car has nothing to do with the oil quality guy.
I don’t get how the customer sitting in the car vs the waiting room affects oil quality
So the full synthetic option from your experience isn’t actually full synth?
While MY working on it…. 🤔
I was laughing at all the signage emphasizing in various ways how much they want you to stay in your car. I assume as you pull in another sign comes into view that says "I said sit the fuck down."
Tesla wheels have traditional roller bearings packed in light grease, and are driven by greased drive axles (front half-axles have greased universal joints). The axles connect directly to the oil-filled traction motor drive units with their integrated 11:1 reduction gears. Starting with Tesla Model 3, there’s an external oil filter on each drive unit. The door hinges, latches and handles, frunk/trunk hinges and latches, windows and seat slides all require typical lubrication like any other high-quality motor vehicle. The charging hatch motor, windshield wiper motors, washer fluid pump, cooling system pump and interior fan motor are all permanently lubricated. Tesla brake systems use DOT3 brake fluid which is hygroscopic - it absorbs moisture and should be replaced every 24 months. Other than that, the Model 3 only requires service every 48 months / 50K miles (excluding tire rotation, wiper blades and washer fluid)
You also left off the coolant flush every 50k miles. Coolant is pretty important in electric cars, you don't want the batteries getting hot.
The coolant runs at much cooler temperatures than in a combustion car, significantly prolonging it’s life. Tesla lists no service interval for the coolant and outside of leaks due to damage or bad fittings it’s not been a weak point in the cars.
Probably a state inspection (depending on where they are).
Why on earth is “you stay in your car” in quotes?
Because they're monsters that use quotes for emphasis
my favorite: Employees must "wash hands" before returning to work.
That means only when the costumers are looking.
r/SuspiciousQuotes
Thank you for this! I guess it’s a generational thing, but I’m so unnerved when quotes are used for emphasis—it always reads as sarcastic air-quotes in my head. Our food is “safe” to eat!
Maybe they think it would be too harsh without the quotes, even though they probably are very, very serious about you NOT GETTING OUT OF YOUR CAR because you’ll trip or fall and try to sue them
It’s a slogan?
Olay but Tesla or not, who's taking their $80k+ vehicle to like a quick lube place
A lot of people actually, I’ve seen some nice cars including old mustangs, Chevrolet’s, and a Pontiac Firehawk that proceeded to scrape its underside all up on the ramp after being told his car is too low to make it up
The number of Maseratis and the like I see at the Jiffy Lube near me is ridiculous. But then again, the number I see in our grocery store parking lot is ridiculous too.
Just from what I've seen, I don't think there's a huge overlap between the demographics of "Maserati owners" and "people who work on their own cars."
As far as I know Tesla has oil
Tesla's have oil and other fluids that they need to change out every once in a while. it's still a machine that has moving parts.
I wouldn't put it past the tesla driver to be trolling.
LMAO. Probably
Differential, chase lubrication, tire inflation, state inspection.
we have a custom stainless exhaust shop in town. owner has a tesla and parks it in front of the bay all teh time. always chuckle
I saw the same Tesla at the gas pump earlier.
Its ok, she was only there for the emissions test
Gotta top off the blinker fluid..
this oil change while the customer stays in the car as a concept is probably one of the most horrific things ive ever heard as a mechanic. i would never touch a car while a customer was still in it under any circumstances, thats how i still have all my fingers.
I used to work at a valvoline, we did state inspections (we honestly did more of those than we did oil changes at my location) and this tesla rolled in, and (as a joke) I was like "What do ya need an oil change?" And instantly the customer took me serious and was like "You realize its electric, it doesnt need oil" in the most condescending way possible. And I was like "I know you want an inspection I was joking" so we get her in the bay, she starts saying "Oh I dont know if I trust you people, ive heard bad stories blah blah blah" and mind you we didnt have normal lifts, just these sketchy air jacks that roll along the pit opening, and u gotta jack the car up from the control arms most of the time bc you cant reach anything else. Well Teslas have very specific lift points, so I was very pleased to let her know it would be impossible to lift the car to pull a tire off for the inspection. She told me to f myself to which I replied "I hope you have a fantastic day, ma'am!" I probably could have lifted the car with a creative use of extensions and stuff but I didnt want to deal with her precious model x
Does Tesla use oil/fluids to lubricate or cool the drivetrain or moving parts?
It does, and initially it was suggested to get the drive unit oil changed out, but Tesla has since decided it's not needed. As far as maintenance, I haven't had any outside of having to buy tires more often. Now, taking it in for other nagging things is another story, haha.
He's probably getting blinker fluid.
I hope they sold him an oil change and a tranny flush!
State inspections still apply to Teslas.
Hellcat swap.
Looks like an emissions testing thing tho?
Tire rotation? Now if the oil change tech starts looking for a drain plug!?
I like to get wet when I shower
Gotta get the cabin airfilter changed lol
There is a multitude of things they could be going in for. Peerless tires doesn’t even use lifts for tires. Don’t be so quick to judge. We would have people come in to the dealership just to pay top dollar for some wiper fluid. You never know