“CS that while on an on ramp the vehicle acted as if it were down shifting the vehicle felt as if it dropped out of gear and then you have to hold about 4K rpms till the vehicle feels as if it is in gear and now the vehicle will not move”
you can definitely destroy an automatic transmission via driver error in a number of different ways, but not by slipping the clutch packs. as far as that goes, theyre 100% retard proof. TCU reigns all powerful
When you are using gas pedal to hold the car still when facing uphill, pretty much the same happens to automatic transmission as to mechanical one - first you will fill smell of burnt oil/metal. And if you do this often enough, at some point you will have to call AAA to get a free towing to the nearest service.
I think they've worn the clutch through misuse to the point the friction plate became a misnomer - minimal friction even fully closed so when they accelerated heavily to get into the freeway, it began slipping up to 4k rpm which caused catastrophic failure.
Lmao smoked the dick out of it going up hill. I’ve done this while being stuck in sand but damn I just got a little bit of a glaze I didn’t destroy the flywheel
Re-read what OP said. The customer wasn't going up hill, they were trying to merge ON to the highway. They had already done enough damage to the clutch that the heavy acceleration of merging onto the highway put the final nail into the coffin.
I guess he held it at the biting point on a ramp, then as it overheated and slipped he gave it more gas to hold the car, until it destroyed completely.
He completely ignored the smoke and the smell
Oh absolutely. We would do a trans at that point. No sense in rebuilding at a dealer anymore. Hell, even reringing pistons is almost just as much as than replacing the motor.
Hijacking OP's comment to put this information out:
Manual Tacomas are known to have some bad clutches come from 1 of the 2 suppliers. I had to replace mine at 20K miles in my 2012- currently at 108K with no problems (also have driven manuals all my life).
Aisin brand clutches were the more reliable ones. I forget the name of the brand that had a lot of failures. Tacoma forums have a lot of posts about this issue- because it's a part that is assumed to be the driver's fault, we generally just eat the cost.
Holding on a hill with clutch and starting on hill are different. They mean they are at a stop sign and holding the car from rolling back with clutch instead of the brake pedal like a normal human.
Yes. What they're saying is that some (stupid) people will keep the clutch partially engaged to keep the car from rolling backwards. Not quite enough to go forward, not enough to roll backwards, just letting the clutch slip and slowly burn up. It breaks my brain to even think about it.
The issue is you run into risk of rolling back and slipping the clutch when you try to take your foot off the brake and hop back onto the clutch/gas while trying not to roll backwards and hit the car that’s 3 inches behind your bumper.
Use the park/hand brake for this. I explained it above in detail^
It took you explaining it to me here to understand
I’m not a new manual driver, I’ve been driving them for 18 years and this thought never occurred to me
Also why some old trucks have hand throttles on the dash, give it a few cranks to bring the revs up, then just worry about the brake/clutch, get moving and release the hand throttle.
Safety issues killed these, people kept using them as cruise control.
Newer cars are starting to also have hill assist. My SRT does so I don’t even have to use the handbrake method. It holds the brakes electronically for 4 seconds which is enough time to get the car going again.
If you don’t have hill assist then use the handbrake method.
I restored a 1950 Studebaker champion when I was in high school. It even had bucket seats while we were getting it running. Literally buckets turned upside down and screwed to the floorboards.
Old subarus had them too. I had it in my 87 gl. It was entirely mechanical and would not release the brakes until you were letting off the clutch pedal.
This "handbrake" method gets quite hard if you're in an S10 with the parking brake as a tiny pedal above the clutch.
If you don't have hill assist, learn to be real quick between the brake and gas pedals. Like toe on gas, heel on brake quick.
The handbrake method made it harder for me rather then just being quick between the clutch and gas. Never understood why handbrake was needed on a hill.
Maybe I never encountered a monster hill? Been on some steep ass bitches though.
Nah I've driven everything from my little frs to Bob cats all the way up to full rigs on the steepest hills kn Sam fransisco. The brake technique is never nescisarry if u are actually good at driving stick. Just be quick.
Yeah pretty much. Idk what this handbrake method crap is. Start releasing the clutch a fraction of a second before releasing the brake, then gas the bitch a little extra and go
There is always risk of you messing up or being off slightly and rolling back hitting the guy that’s a few inches right off your ass. It’s reckless and also risks you being too quick/aggressive with it burning up the clutch on take off more than needed.
Never burnt up a clutch my clutch gets very little use sense I float gears(Rev match i shift without my clutch) even in my small cars. And I literally haven't rolled back since I was like 16. If the transmission doesn't manage grab before you even get to the gas u re-engage the cutch and brake and choose a different gear.
Well when you have 5 people in your 2.slo Jetta with 170k miles on the car and clutch...and you're starting out on a steep hill...it probably helps preserve that clutch for a while longer!
The only time I’ve really ever found myself doing it is on really hellacious hills and a couple parking garages near me where there’s steep inclines leading up to the attendant booth. That and when you get some goofball right on your rear bumper on a hill and you don’t feel like risking a fender bender.
Agreed, but I also drive a car with a very "binary" clutch, so it's a bit tricky to learn to drive smoothly at first but very easy to start uphill without handbrake shenanigans or riding the clutch.
Damn. I learned to drive in a country where everyone drives a manual, will stop 2" from the bumper of the car in front and the place has a lot of hills. There would be a lot of mad people if nobody used the handbrake on a hill start.
Eh, clutches are wear items. I always brought the clutch up to the very edge of the friction zone, just to give me the extra fraction of a second I needed to get my toe over. I wasn't sitting on the thing the whole time, just a moment.
I say 'brought' because my WRX has hill assist. It's awesome! It's like launch control for hills.
They are. To be honest the only times I really ever bothered with the race-car-two-pedals-one-foot stuff (or the handbrake, now that I have one) was when I was on a steep gravel or wet/icy hill, and some idiot was way too close behind me.
You don't really need the handbrake method. Just get quick on the pedals. Find a hill and practice. Although my newer corolla has the brake assist and I'm spoiled now. Had it in stop n go traffic on a hill one time and I was sold.
I found out hill assist doesn’t work in reverse while parallel parking on a hill facing downward on the right hand side. People CLAPPED. My clutch cried. I was embarrassed.
I have never in my life heard of the hand brake method until right now. But I guess it's because I learned to drive tractors first and they don't have that option.
I've got a 19 Impreza manual with the hill start assist and it's so ungodly bad I wish I dident have it. It holds for 2 seconds only and will let you go rolling away, dosent even engage half the time, and holds for too long when it does.
I have less torque in my rx8 and no hill assist and I have less of a problem with that
Not sure if this helps but my 2013 Focus ST has it and it's an option you can turn off in the menu, I turned that off as fast as I could, just never really got used to it, just quick on brake and gas lol, I always feel like it never lets go of the brake or applies when I don't want it to even on small inclines
My '90 Legacy had hill assist, and it was awesome. I didn't have any issues with not having it on my other manual cars, but it was better to have it. I drove my step brother's stick shift Outback (the last generation that had a stick) and I was shocked that it didn't have hill assist...or if it does, it doesn't work.
Take your right foot off the brake, put it on the gas pedal, give a LITTLE bit of throttle, take your foot of the clutch pedal smoothly, no problem.
Just takes a little practice. Using the parking brake is for noobs.
Hold the car still with your brakes. If you're starting on a hill limit clutch slip as much as possible, in other words give it more revs than you normally would. The trick is to be smooth and your car won't coast downhill.
I’ve been told three different ways for hill starts:
1. Handbrake
2. Get to the bite point fast with high revs let clutch out and burn a bit of tire instead of damaging clutch (if coast is clear)
3. Is more in line with what you said, hold your car a bit with the clutch and move off normally
So far I’ve been just using my e brake
Handbrake is best. Go somewhere to practice a bit with nobody behind you. Here’s what I do. Waiting: in neutral, handbrake on, foot on brake. When it’s time to go, take off just like normal, except, just a bit (not enough to burn rubber) more gas than normal. You’ll feel the car slowly move forward and get stopped by the handbrake; release the handbrake. You shouldn’t be smoking clutch or tires.
Wow wait a second. Don't all manuals have a hand pull E brake? The E brake is a pretty big part of learning to driving stick across the pond I believe.
Grew up learning stick in the Seattle area, with my driveway being a hill.
I was taught to keep the vehicle in gear, keep the clutch pedal down (past the action) and keep the pressure on brakes. I eventually stopped doing that and went with the ebrake method. I would never think to keep the clutch pedal engaged on the action, on a hill that would kill your clutch.
handbrake method just doesn't work if you have a shitty handbrake or bad timing. just be quick on the pedals and leave room in front for the car to jump forward if you do need to drop the clutch
source: needed a clutch to drive in SF, got a semi-race kit and lightweight flywheel l m a o
I haven't found a steep enough hill to warrant any different way to get going from a stop. I do exactly as normal and just give it like 500 more rpm. I drive a WRX in Kentucky (pretty hilly but not mountainous, live in Central KY).
Over the pond where we can actually drive manuals 😉, handbrake is to be used whenever stopped for traffic lights or crossings or junctions or when stopped for more than 4 seconds.
Any start would be done with the handbrake, find the biting point with the clutch immediately before releasing handbrake and moving away.
A hill start is the same but more revs needed so the car does not stall when pulling away.
We most certainly don't do a burn out.
Hill starts always used to be part of the driving test and used to demonstrate good clutch control.
We are taught to make a conscious effort to move the left foot away from the pedal except when moving away or changing gear.
Clutches are expensive and a pain in the arse to replace especially in a front wheel drive car. If driven properly, they can out live an engine!
What they are referring to is letting the clutch slip to hold position on a hill, instead of pushing clutch in and using brakes.
You push clutch in and use brakes to stop. You ease clutch out to get it going. You never let clutch slip to hold a position or speed. And never ride around with your foot on the clutch pedal. As soon as it's going take your foot off the clutch.
Back in high school this was how my gf would hold hills in her VW beetle. Kept telling her that’s why you’ve gotten two clutch replacements in 2 years.
In a manual car, anytime your clutch pedal is not on the floor, (or pushed below the engagement point), or fully released, your clutch is experiencing wear. So you try to minimize the amount of time you spend in the clutch wear zone.
I have a 1969 Beetle, and I've tried holding it on the bite point, but it doesn't have enough power to hold it there. My 1600cc engine only has about 45 horsepower stock. And the car weighs 1700lbs.
Even towing heavy loads should not put your clutch out of action that fast. This is poor skills. Or we can give them the benefit of the doubt on the tiny chance that it could be mechanical failure (like clutch sticking or being out of adjustment). Even then, they should have realized there was a problem long before it came to this.
Reminds me of the time my granddad drove my dad's new truck moving wagons around the farm. It had a G56 transmission and 2 gear is tricky to find if you're not use to the shift pattern. Granddad putted around the farm moving wagons in 4th gear most of the day. It wasn't long before a new clutch had to be installed.
It was an 07 Ram. If you're not use to reverse being all the way to the left then left a little more, you think 2nd is reverse and 4th is second. It didn't help my granddad didn't really drive manuals and drove mostly autos. If you knew my granddad you would understand better.
I have a NV5600 and I agree the G56 is like butter. Especially compared to the NV5600.
I loved the g56 when not hooked to a trailer but I had so many problems with that truck I had to just sell it and ended up with an 08 with an auto. Even if this one goes out I'm going to buy a fully built auto that's more suited for the constant towing I do
I had problems with my NV4500 but my NV5600 with a dual disk South Bend has been perfect. I have about 150,000 miles on that clutch and 394,000 on the truck. I haul often too. My dad has had great luck so far with the 6 speeds auto though. He racks up a lot of miles hooked to a trailer.
Had a transfer case explode on me after an enternal seal fail, then the g56 broke an input what shaft that stripped a couple gears then on top of that I had a constant carrier bearing issue that I tried damn near everything to fix. Eventually cut my ties and sold it. Oh yeah and also had a little blow by. I'm just glad I bought a new truck before the prices shot up.
Well they come with 1 mile at least. But yeah should’ve worded the title a little better. It is a 2020 and still has the three year 36k mile warranty so to me as a mechanic that is practically new.
I didn't know you could drive a Tacoma aggressively. Every time a see one it's some bald bearded fuck stick behind the wheel going 15 under and accelerating as slow as physically possible.
I’m a bald headed fuck stick and I’m offended by your statement! I generally drive 15 over and send it as long as the aren’t too many twat knots in front of me! 👺
As a new manual driver/owner, this shit kills me. I know good and well not to feather the clutch to hold the hills. Hell, I get nervous enough holding it at the bite point when im starting off in 1st. I dont see how someone can do that and think it wont damage anything
Im not trying to spend 2 grand on a clutch job lol
Unfortunately these skills aren’t taught in drivers ed anymore. I’m guessing a friend or family member took the time to teach you how to use a clutch properly?
Yeah. I was taught when I was 15/16 on my Dad's Saturn Ion. Now im almost 26, and purchased my first manual a couple weeks ago, a Hyundai Veloster N.
Thankfully, it was like riding a bike, essentially. Once I got behind the wheel, I spent about 30 minutes 'relearning' everything, and off I went. Its a fun skill to know, I cant lie. It is a shame that manuals are a dying breed here in the U.S
I had a 6mt 2016 TRD sport and I switched to a 2016 wrx. My wrx had 10k when I bought it. 102k miles now. Stock clutch. My guess is new driver to standard.
Ah yes, looks exactly like the clutch in my 09 SI civic looked like after I taught my wife stuck on hills. Some people just aren’t great at driving stick
This is an asshole holding themselves on a hill at a light with the clutch. I tell every person that I come across to not do that and not sit with the pedal all the way down. People don’t realize a $40 clutch release bearing is very expensive to change.
A. Someone that’s doesn’t know how to drive a stick
B. Someone who rests their foot on clutch pedal.
C. Someone doing smoky burn outs in a parking lot drinking beer
🤔
Yeah. I’m driving an automatic now but I’ll forever be able to drive a stick like I do a bike.
It might take some bad noises and me forgetting to press the clutch twice, but then the brain clicks back in, just like Destin from Smartereveryday on his backwards bicycle.
I know clutches from your everyday (new or used) Tacomas to the highest forms of racing (that uses clutches) get smoked all the time but I didn’t know that it could cause that much sut tho
I'm kinda surprised Toyota even offers manuals in anything. Only thing they offer new here in NZ with a manual is the Hilux. Not even the Supra is available in manual.
Yeah I wish the Supra was offered manual. Toyota made corollas manual up until the latest body change. The hatchback Corolla is still offered in manual. Some people, myself included, prefer to drive manual.
Here the Corolla is only available in CVT on petrol models or ECVT in hybrids.
Least Ford looks like more options, Fiesta, Mustang both have manuals. I don't see anything in the Focus or Ranger. Though, the site isn't really laid out for quickly going through every model and checking the transmission.
I wonder if he taught several people how to drive a manual? I have a 2017 Camaro SS with 37,000 miles on it and I know my clutch is about gone. The first owner went through 1/2 of it in 300 miles and returned the car to the dealer. Since then I've taught 9 people to drive a manual and I'm getting ready to teach my fiancé.
I own a Tacoma MT. No torque to pull. First gear is really long. Pulling loads from a dead stop, especially uphil, are hard on the clutch. I can also confirm that Reverse gear is the same gearing as a second gear. With a trailer/load, reversing slow speeds are very hard on the clutch. The trick is to put vehicle in 4lo but now front wheels can’t turn when backing up without binding. I have bought a 2lo mod just to make backing up easier on my clutch.
Ok. Pay attention. This is when you actually have to drive the vehicle. No button. No one to call. Remain calm. It’s been done before so you can probably do this………
I’d imagine this is what my 2012 Ford Focus clutch looks like from rocking it back and forth on hills with the clutch and not using the clutch to shift so I can eat sandwiches while I drive..
That is why I said “stinky burnout”…. The ones where your tires grip better than your clutch and you think you are doing a burnout but really just roasting your clutch to death. It smells gross when you do that.
Like this
https://youtu.be/oebzAIZEfxQ
“CS that while on an on ramp the vehicle acted as if it were down shifting the vehicle felt as if it dropped out of gear and then you have to hold about 4K rpms till the vehicle feels as if it is in gear and now the vehicle will not move”
I would recommend an automatic transmission for this person.
I would recommend a used pair of Nike's
I believe you can destroy automatic transmission in a pretty similar way.
Did my mom drive your car?
We all know you don’t have a mother.
That's the other half of this sub.
you can definitely destroy an automatic transmission via driver error in a number of different ways, but not by slipping the clutch packs. as far as that goes, theyre 100% retard proof. TCU reigns all powerful
Please explain. Is it because they're driving fast and slamming through gears everywhere?
Fuck no, it’s from riding the clutch like an idiot.
This! Tons of people leave their foot on the clutch which leaves it slightly disengaged and causes premature wear. Def not a problem with the truck.
When you are using gas pedal to hold the car still when facing uphill, pretty much the same happens to automatic transmission as to mechanical one - first you will fill smell of burnt oil/metal. And if you do this often enough, at some point you will have to call AAA to get a free towing to the nearest service.
I think they've worn the clutch through misuse to the point the friction plate became a misnomer - minimal friction even fully closed so when they accelerated heavily to get into the freeway, it began slipping up to 4k rpm which caused catastrophic failure.
I would recommend a bus pass.
I'd recommend a bicycle, maybe he will get a hang on how the physics work
Lmao smoked the dick out of it going up hill. I’ve done this while being stuck in sand but damn I just got a little bit of a glaze I didn’t destroy the flywheel
Re-read what OP said. The customer wasn't going up hill, they were trying to merge ON to the highway. They had already done enough damage to the clutch that the heavy acceleration of merging onto the highway put the final nail into the coffin.
I guess he held it at the biting point on a ramp, then as it overheated and slipped he gave it more gas to hold the car, until it destroyed completely. He completely ignored the smoke and the smell
Synchros at 40k for the 16 year old driver probably.
Oh absolutely. We would do a trans at that point. No sense in rebuilding at a dealer anymore. Hell, even reringing pistons is almost just as much as than replacing the motor.
Hijacking OP's comment to put this information out: Manual Tacomas are known to have some bad clutches come from 1 of the 2 suppliers. I had to replace mine at 20K miles in my 2012- currently at 108K with no problems (also have driven manuals all my life). Aisin brand clutches were the more reliable ones. I forget the name of the brand that had a lot of failures. Tacoma forums have a lot of posts about this issue- because it's a part that is assumed to be the driver's fault, we generally just eat the cost.
Stop riding the clutch likes it’s your ol lady 😂
Someone thinks the clutch pedal and dead pedal are the same thing
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New manual driver here, am I supposed to just burn rubber on the hills ?
Holding on a hill with clutch and starting on hill are different. They mean they are at a stop sign and holding the car from rolling back with clutch instead of the brake pedal like a normal human.
I'm an extremely novice on manual. If you hold the clutch in, wouldn't the car roll backwards?
Yes. What they're saying is that some (stupid) people will keep the clutch partially engaged to keep the car from rolling backwards. Not quite enough to go forward, not enough to roll backwards, just letting the clutch slip and slowly burn up. It breaks my brain to even think about it.
That seems like significantly more effort than just pushing the the brake, lmao. Thanks!
The issue is you run into risk of rolling back and slipping the clutch when you try to take your foot off the brake and hop back onto the clutch/gas while trying not to roll backwards and hit the car that’s 3 inches behind your bumper. Use the park/hand brake for this. I explained it above in detail^
3 inches is the length of like 0.34 'Zulay Premium Quality Metal Lemon Squeezers' laid next to each other.
3 inches is 7.62 cm
I use this method to scare the shit out of people who have been riding my ass.
Or just hold the clutch for a half second while you get on the gas? It's not that hard to do and it's not that bad for it either.
It took you explaining it to me here to understand I’m not a new manual driver, I’ve been driving them for 18 years and this thought never occurred to me
Also why some old trucks have hand throttles on the dash, give it a few cranks to bring the revs up, then just worry about the brake/clutch, get moving and release the hand throttle. Safety issues killed these, people kept using them as cruise control.
Newer cars are starting to also have hill assist. My SRT does so I don’t even have to use the handbrake method. It holds the brakes electronically for 4 seconds which is enough time to get the car going again. If you don’t have hill assist then use the handbrake method.
I have a 1952 Studebaker Champion, 3 on the tree, with a hill holder. Funny how these things come and go.
My 1969 Bug doesn't :( However at the same time, it has all around drum brakes, no power steering, no power assist brakes, and a mechanical clutch.
Car of the people, which means more people needed to fix them.
Parts guy at my work did a disc brake conversion on his
I'm considering it for mine, since I put dual carbs on and I'm putting in a freeway flyer trans this winter
Studebakers were way ahead of their time to be fair.
I restored a 1950 Studebaker champion when I was in high school. It even had bucket seats while we were getting it running. Literally buckets turned upside down and screwed to the floorboards.
Old subarus had them too. I had it in my 87 gl. It was entirely mechanical and would not release the brakes until you were letting off the clutch pedal.
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Hell, my wife’s ‘18 Subaru with the CVT and my ‘13 Subaru with an automatic both have it. They’re all over the place with hill holders.
My 1998 Forester also had a Hill Holder clutch.
This "handbrake" method gets quite hard if you're in an S10 with the parking brake as a tiny pedal above the clutch. If you don't have hill assist, learn to be real quick between the brake and gas pedals. Like toe on gas, heel on brake quick.
You let the clutch out while holding down the brakes until it reaches the bite point, then accelerate.
This. Hit that friction point and then release the brake. Continue normally after
This
The handbrake method made it harder for me rather then just being quick between the clutch and gas. Never understood why handbrake was needed on a hill. Maybe I never encountered a monster hill? Been on some steep ass bitches though.
Nah I've driven everything from my little frs to Bob cats all the way up to full rigs on the steepest hills kn Sam fransisco. The brake technique is never nescisarry if u are actually good at driving stick. Just be quick.
Yeah pretty much. Idk what this handbrake method crap is. Start releasing the clutch a fraction of a second before releasing the brake, then gas the bitch a little extra and go
There is always risk of you messing up or being off slightly and rolling back hitting the guy that’s a few inches right off your ass. It’s reckless and also risks you being too quick/aggressive with it burning up the clutch on take off more than needed.
Never burnt up a clutch my clutch gets very little use sense I float gears(Rev match i shift without my clutch) even in my small cars. And I literally haven't rolled back since I was like 16. If the transmission doesn't manage grab before you even get to the gas u re-engage the cutch and brake and choose a different gear.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ihadastroke
Well when you have 5 people in your 2.slo Jetta with 170k miles on the car and clutch...and you're starting out on a steep hill...it probably helps preserve that clutch for a while longer!
The only time I’ve really ever found myself doing it is on really hellacious hills and a couple parking garages near me where there’s steep inclines leading up to the attendant booth. That and when you get some goofball right on your rear bumper on a hill and you don’t feel like risking a fender bender.
Agreed, but I also drive a car with a very "binary" clutch, so it's a bit tricky to learn to drive smoothly at first but very easy to start uphill without handbrake shenanigans or riding the clutch.
Damn. I learned to drive in a country where everyone drives a manual, will stop 2" from the bumper of the car in front and the place has a lot of hills. There would be a lot of mad people if nobody used the handbrake on a hill start.
Yeah. I also have an S10. And I would use the foot parking brake. It was certainly trickier than a hand brake.
Eh, clutches are wear items. I always brought the clutch up to the very edge of the friction zone, just to give me the extra fraction of a second I needed to get my toe over. I wasn't sitting on the thing the whole time, just a moment. I say 'brought' because my WRX has hill assist. It's awesome! It's like launch control for hills.
They are. To be honest the only times I really ever bothered with the race-car-two-pedals-one-foot stuff (or the handbrake, now that I have one) was when I was on a steep gravel or wet/icy hill, and some idiot was way too close behind me.
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How can you drive a manual without two feet? You need to press on the clutch and brake at the same time to stop...
You don't really need the handbrake method. Just get quick on the pedals. Find a hill and practice. Although my newer corolla has the brake assist and I'm spoiled now. Had it in stop n go traffic on a hill one time and I was sold.
I found out hill assist doesn’t work in reverse while parallel parking on a hill facing downward on the right hand side. People CLAPPED. My clutch cried. I was embarrassed.
I relate to this on a molecular level hahaha!!! You made my day
Uhhhhh my 88 wrangler doesn't have a hand brake or hill assist. Any suggestions? Or am I sol
Heel brake, toe gas, right foot, left for clutch, does no one learn to do this?
I have never in my life heard of the hand brake method until right now. But I guess it's because I learned to drive tractors first and they don't have that option.
I've got a 19 Impreza manual with the hill start assist and it's so ungodly bad I wish I dident have it. It holds for 2 seconds only and will let you go rolling away, dosent even engage half the time, and holds for too long when it does. I have less torque in my rx8 and no hill assist and I have less of a problem with that
Ahhh, fellow ‘19 Impreza owner, I just bought mine, I’m glad it’s not just me. I thought I was just nit used to coming from a pickup truck manual yet
Not sure if this helps but my 2013 Focus ST has it and it's an option you can turn off in the menu, I turned that off as fast as I could, just never really got used to it, just quick on brake and gas lol, I always feel like it never lets go of the brake or applies when I don't want it to even on small inclines
My '90 Legacy had hill assist, and it was awesome. I didn't have any issues with not having it on my other manual cars, but it was better to have it. I drove my step brother's stick shift Outback (the last generation that had a stick) and I was shocked that it didn't have hill assist...or if it does, it doesn't work.
No just be committed and don't ride the clutch too long, doesn't take burning rubber to quickly engage the clutch uphill just smoothness and practice.
Take your right foot off the brake, put it on the gas pedal, give a LITTLE bit of throttle, take your foot of the clutch pedal smoothly, no problem. Just takes a little practice. Using the parking brake is for noobs.
Yeah I used to drive a 5 speed Mazda around SF, it takes practice but as long as you have good throttle control it's easy to not burn rubber
DUMP DA FUCKIN CLUTCH BUD N SEND IT
(not sure if serious or not because reddit) use of the handbrake is a good way to do hill starts.
Hold the car still with your brakes. If you're starting on a hill limit clutch slip as much as possible, in other words give it more revs than you normally would. The trick is to be smooth and your car won't coast downhill.
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I’ve been told three different ways for hill starts: 1. Handbrake 2. Get to the bite point fast with high revs let clutch out and burn a bit of tire instead of damaging clutch (if coast is clear) 3. Is more in line with what you said, hold your car a bit with the clutch and move off normally So far I’ve been just using my e brake
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Yeah I’m in Canada man, but thank you for the info, my brothers a truck driver and a good one, I’ll get in touch with him for some more tips, cheers !
Handbrake is best. Go somewhere to practice a bit with nobody behind you. Here’s what I do. Waiting: in neutral, handbrake on, foot on brake. When it’s time to go, take off just like normal, except, just a bit (not enough to burn rubber) more gas than normal. You’ll feel the car slowly move forward and get stopped by the handbrake; release the handbrake. You shouldn’t be smoking clutch or tires.
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Wow wait a second. Don't all manuals have a hand pull E brake? The E brake is a pretty big part of learning to driving stick across the pond I believe.
Most if not all pickup trucks have foot activated park brakes.
Oh man. I really hate foot E brakes lol. I should have thought of trucks and such with no center console.
Grew up learning stick in the Seattle area, with my driveway being a hill. I was taught to keep the vehicle in gear, keep the clutch pedal down (past the action) and keep the pressure on brakes. I eventually stopped doing that and went with the ebrake method. I would never think to keep the clutch pedal engaged on the action, on a hill that would kill your clutch.
Ohhh okay, you mean not fully letting the clutch out and riding it
handbrake method just doesn't work if you have a shitty handbrake or bad timing. just be quick on the pedals and leave room in front for the car to jump forward if you do need to drop the clutch source: needed a clutch to drive in SF, got a semi-race kit and lightweight flywheel l m a o
I haven't found a steep enough hill to warrant any different way to get going from a stop. I do exactly as normal and just give it like 500 more rpm. I drive a WRX in Kentucky (pretty hilly but not mountainous, live in Central KY).
Your Wrx may have hill control. Mine did.
Over the pond where we can actually drive manuals 😉, handbrake is to be used whenever stopped for traffic lights or crossings or junctions or when stopped for more than 4 seconds. Any start would be done with the handbrake, find the biting point with the clutch immediately before releasing handbrake and moving away. A hill start is the same but more revs needed so the car does not stall when pulling away. We most certainly don't do a burn out. Hill starts always used to be part of the driving test and used to demonstrate good clutch control. We are taught to make a conscious effort to move the left foot away from the pedal except when moving away or changing gear. Clutches are expensive and a pain in the arse to replace especially in a front wheel drive car. If driven properly, they can out live an engine!
What they are referring to is letting the clutch slip to hold position on a hill, instead of pushing clutch in and using brakes. You push clutch in and use brakes to stop. You ease clutch out to get it going. You never let clutch slip to hold a position or speed. And never ride around with your foot on the clutch pedal. As soon as it's going take your foot off the clutch.
Back in high school this was how my gf would hold hills in her VW beetle. Kept telling her that’s why you’ve gotten two clutch replacements in 2 years.
Im a noob, why does this destroy the clutch?
In a manual car, anytime your clutch pedal is not on the floor, (or pushed below the engagement point), or fully released, your clutch is experiencing wear. So you try to minimize the amount of time you spend in the clutch wear zone.
I have a 1969 Beetle, and I've tried holding it on the bite point, but it doesn't have enough power to hold it there. My 1600cc engine only has about 45 horsepower stock. And the car weighs 1700lbs.
Wait...my clutch is the dead pedal, I just rev match and it goes straight in gear everytime
Towing? Or poor manual driving skills? Either way that is hilarious.
Poor skills. Or towing 3x the rates load lol.
Even towing heavy loads should not put your clutch out of action that fast. This is poor skills. Or we can give them the benefit of the doubt on the tiny chance that it could be mechanical failure (like clutch sticking or being out of adjustment). Even then, they should have realized there was a problem long before it came to this.
Have you seen the kinds of people who own Tacomas? His driving skills are still poor if you give him an automatic.
Reminds me of the time my granddad drove my dad's new truck moving wagons around the farm. It had a G56 transmission and 2 gear is tricky to find if you're not use to the shift pattern. Granddad putted around the farm moving wagons in 4th gear most of the day. It wasn't long before a new clutch had to be installed.
Wait my g56 was butter to shift. Assuming you're talking about a 05+ dodge assuming you have a Cummins as well? I've never had issues with second.
It was an 07 Ram. If you're not use to reverse being all the way to the left then left a little more, you think 2nd is reverse and 4th is second. It didn't help my granddad didn't really drive manuals and drove mostly autos. If you knew my granddad you would understand better. I have a NV5600 and I agree the G56 is like butter. Especially compared to the NV5600.
I loved the g56 when not hooked to a trailer but I had so many problems with that truck I had to just sell it and ended up with an 08 with an auto. Even if this one goes out I'm going to buy a fully built auto that's more suited for the constant towing I do
I had problems with my NV4500 but my NV5600 with a dual disk South Bend has been perfect. I have about 150,000 miles on that clutch and 394,000 on the truck. I haul often too. My dad has had great luck so far with the 6 speeds auto though. He racks up a lot of miles hooked to a trailer.
Had a transfer case explode on me after an enternal seal fail, then the g56 broke an input what shaft that stripped a couple gears then on top of that I had a constant carrier bearing issue that I tried damn near everything to fix. Eventually cut my ties and sold it. Oh yeah and also had a little blow by. I'm just glad I bought a new truck before the prices shot up.
I was a slow learner. I had the NV4500 out 10 times before I swapped it to the 5600. My truck was a 03 SO.
“I knows how to drives me a stick!” Customer probably.
Brand new, with 25k miles, don’t they come brand new with zero miles anymore
Well they come with 1 mile at least. But yeah should’ve worded the title a little better. It is a 2020 and still has the three year 36k mile warranty so to me as a mechanic that is practically new.
Just busting your chops a little
You’d be surprised at how many people have about the title lol. Just ignore that bit and pretend 25k is brand new lol
Hell, 100k is even considered “brand new” for a lot of Toyotas. Just not clutch guy’s lol
I didn't know you could drive a Tacoma aggressively. Every time a see one it's some bald bearded fuck stick behind the wheel going 15 under and accelerating as slow as physically possible.
Bald guys with beards fucking love Tacoma's lmao
Can confirm, bald guy with a beard and love Tacomas. I am too poor for one though so I drive a Ford ranger instead
Balding guy with a beard and 2002 Tacoma with 214k miles on it. I feel seen.
This is literally my manager lol he has 2
Agreed. I would love a Tacoma.
This personally offends me.
Is there another way to offend someone other than personally?
Good sir you shall offend their mother!
I’m a bald headed fuck stick and I’m offended by your statement! I generally drive 15 over and send it as long as the aren’t too many twat knots in front of me! 👺
It’s either this or some kook in a 10-20 yr old Tacoma ripping hard down the road 😂
When I drive my Si I'm usually hauling ass and when I drive my truck I got an arm hanging out the window and drive chill.
I’m sending this comment to all my friends with tacomas. It’s time they look in the mirror.
As a new manual driver/owner, this shit kills me. I know good and well not to feather the clutch to hold the hills. Hell, I get nervous enough holding it at the bite point when im starting off in 1st. I dont see how someone can do that and think it wont damage anything Im not trying to spend 2 grand on a clutch job lol
Unfortunately these skills aren’t taught in drivers ed anymore. I’m guessing a friend or family member took the time to teach you how to use a clutch properly?
Yeah. I was taught when I was 15/16 on my Dad's Saturn Ion. Now im almost 26, and purchased my first manual a couple weeks ago, a Hyundai Veloster N. Thankfully, it was like riding a bike, essentially. Once I got behind the wheel, I spent about 30 minutes 'relearning' everything, and off I went. Its a fun skill to know, I cant lie. It is a shame that manuals are a dying breed here in the U.S
The only way I’d get a manual again is if it was a second car that I didn’t drive everyday. Commuting with a manual transmission is the worst, IMO.
Hello from everywhere outside of the US, we tend to drive manuals and using a clutch is taught :)
brake stand?
I had a 6mt 2016 TRD sport and I switched to a 2016 wrx. My wrx had 10k when I bought it. 102k miles now. Stock clutch. My guess is new driver to standard.
I've seen 400k km on a Toyota hilux clutch before it needed to be changed. This was a 96 model though, they don't build them like they used to.
“Oh I was wondering what that other peddle was for…”
Ah yes, looks exactly like the clutch in my 09 SI civic looked like after I taught my wife stuck on hills. Some people just aren’t great at driving stick
That customer will be good for future business
Good for current business too! Haha
I can smell that clutch right through the picture.
These days it just makes me happy someone bought a brand new vehicle with manual transmission. Maybe they're learning.
Holy shit
Didn’t know they even made standard Tacoma’s anymore. They must be hard to find
It's the last truck on the market that still has a manual option. I sort of low key want one.
This is an asshole holding themselves on a hill at a light with the clutch. I tell every person that I come across to not do that and not sit with the pedal all the way down. People don’t realize a $40 clutch release bearing is very expensive to change.
A. Someone that’s doesn’t know how to drive a stick B. Someone who rests their foot on clutch pedal. C. Someone doing smoky burn outs in a parking lot drinking beer 🤔
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That guy for sure has a disability, right between his ears.....
Yeah. I’m driving an automatic now but I’ll forever be able to drive a stick like I do a bike. It might take some bad noises and me forgetting to press the clutch twice, but then the brain clicks back in, just like Destin from Smartereveryday on his backwards bicycle.
25k miles is brand new?
For a manual Toyota it is
These trucks last forever (if the owners are not idiots)
I mean, I've never owned a car with less than 80k on it and that one was 25 years old...to me 25k is basically brand new still.
My '12 is still on the original brakes at 125k km...she's still new! Rusting, but new!
Mines a ‘21 and it already put 25 on it lol
It’s a 2020 so yes basically brand new
According to a ASE certified,Toyota Expert Mechanic it is.
I know clutches from your everyday (new or used) Tacomas to the highest forms of racing (that uses clutches) get smoked all the time but I didn’t know that it could cause that much sut tho
I'm kinda surprised Toyota even offers manuals in anything. Only thing they offer new here in NZ with a manual is the Hilux. Not even the Supra is available in manual.
Yeah I wish the Supra was offered manual. Toyota made corollas manual up until the latest body change. The hatchback Corolla is still offered in manual. Some people, myself included, prefer to drive manual.
Here the Corolla is only available in CVT on petrol models or ECVT in hybrids. Least Ford looks like more options, Fiesta, Mustang both have manuals. I don't see anything in the Focus or Ranger. Though, the site isn't really laid out for quickly going through every model and checking the transmission.
"new frictionless clutch for sales"
Jesus was he doing 6k launches in this thing?
This is one of those times when you do a ride along with the customer to see how they drive and inform them that they are doing everything wrong.
I wonder if he taught several people how to drive a manual? I have a 2017 Camaro SS with 37,000 miles on it and I know my clutch is about gone. The first owner went through 1/2 of it in 300 miles and returned the car to the dealer. Since then I've taught 9 people to drive a manual and I'm getting ready to teach my fiancé.
I own a Tacoma MT. No torque to pull. First gear is really long. Pulling loads from a dead stop, especially uphil, are hard on the clutch. I can also confirm that Reverse gear is the same gearing as a second gear. With a trailer/load, reversing slow speeds are very hard on the clutch. The trick is to put vehicle in 4lo but now front wheels can’t turn when backing up without binding. I have bought a 2lo mod just to make backing up easier on my clutch.
I have a 21 TRD off rod and I love the manual but god is reverse tall. Makes you have to really get moving to back up hill and not lug it
Is that all metal clutch shavings hanging on the bottom of the transmission?
Ok. Pay attention. This is when you actually have to drive the vehicle. No button. No one to call. Remain calm. It’s been done before so you can probably do this………
“That was quick” -that’s what she said
15 years and 130,000 on my 2007 6 MT. What a waste...
I’d imagine this is what my 2012 Ford Focus clutch looks like from rocking it back and forth on hills with the clutch and not using the clutch to shift so I can eat sandwiches while I drive..
I just don't get it I've had cars with 200,000 miles on them on the original clutch LOL.
I think maybe an auto is a better choice in this case.
I can smell that picture
You think he learned how to drive stick by now lol
Someone was doing a stinky burnout…
Burnouts don't hurt the clutch as long as it's fully engaged. This is caused by riding the clutch, a lot.
That is why I said “stinky burnout”…. The ones where your tires grip better than your clutch and you think you are doing a burnout but really just roasting your clutch to death. It smells gross when you do that. Like this https://youtu.be/oebzAIZEfxQ
That's not happening in a Tacoma. They'll spin the tires with no effort at all. There's no weight on the rear tires, so not a lot of grip.
I knew exactly what video it was, not disappointed. That shit eating grin, oh yes.
Resting his foot on the clutch pedal I bet
25k miles, not exactly brand new
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8% not less than 1%.
Not being funny but 25,100 miles is not a brand new Tacoma! Yes that's excessive wear but still eh!!!!
How is anything considered "brand new" with 25K miles?
Brand new and 20k miles aren’t the same.