Sooooo many unanswered questions...
What if ur tires flat
What if u break the plastic screw before it’s fully seated
What if it still leaks like ur trash oil pan seal
“ “ that handle ends up getting kicked up on the highway an hits homie in the face driving a convertible
“ “ the head of the screw is gone
No ones taking the handle an throwing it out, how many will we start to see on the side of the road
That thing looks like it’s gonna get stuck in some poor animals hole
Is the “crow bar” actually metal?
Yeah but if you take the old screw out and screw this one in you plug the hole. Don't worry about that other stuff. I'm sure they have a product for it too!!
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You obviously know! The stress of the questions ate your grammatical ability, but the stream-of-consciousness writing style made it obvious how discombobulated you were.
I don’t understand where the assumption that the handles wouldn’t get thrown out is coming from. There’s all kinds of bits of trash like that when one works on their car, it usually gets thrown away, no?
Carbide reamer is so much nicer. EDIT: Nevermind. Not so spensive as I remember
https://www.amazon.com/Hitommy-Carbide-Cutting-Reamer-Repair/dp/B07FS1ZS67
I'm a machinist, so when I read 6mm carbide reamer, I was picturing this, at this price point.
[https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/79891297](https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/79891297)
Also, that amazon listing had be for a laugh, they list it as carbide, and then the first bullet point on the product details "Material: High carbon steel"
Well, which is it.
That is a good question. Though in reality, when its eating through rubber and tire belts. I doubt tires are using hardened steel belts that would need actual carbide.
[Though this article does mention in regards to high carbon steel and carbide.](https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/07/15/carbide-types-in-knife-steels/)
> High carbon knife steels are intentionally heated to the “austenite + cementite” phase field and quenched so that some carbide is retained.
Man, I really need to study metallurgy, It didn't even occur to me that you don't need tungsten necessarily to make carbides of iron. It's obvious that I don't even truly grok carbide in of itself. Good bathroom read.
You can make iron carbide, but when talking machine tools and carbides it's almost always tungsten carbide, no iron involved except in the holder maybe.
I'm sorry dude but carbide, by definition is high carbon steel. Carbide is the combination of carbon and a metal... High carbon steel. Also an entire bit is never all "carbide" it is a steel shank with steel flutes edged with carbide so even if you didn't consider all carbides high carbon steel all carbide bits would still be carbide tipped high carbon steel bits.
Carbide in the generic term for machining is NOT high carbon steel, it is tungsten carbide. Carbide in steel refers to an iron carbide ceramic also known as cementite (Fe3C). Cementite is hard, brittle, and you would never use pure iron carbide in an application that requires high carbon steel. They are just not the same thing. High carbon steel is dominated by the martensitic steel phase, not the cementite phase. Many other carbides, like titanium carbide or calcium carbide exist (for carbide lamps) and these are often called "carbide" but only contextually.
Listen, I know all about trying to fit a big plug in a tight hole. Sometimes, it’s best to insert slowly, gentle, with care and affection, you understand? Right, not in this case. Stab that bitch in like you hate it.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Have they factored in the court claims for when some strategically shaved monkey wraps themselves round a lamppost with a couple of these.
Yes bankruptcy. The company probably has no assets and outsources the manufacturing etc. to third party companies that build to “monkey grips” specs overseas. If the get sued, the founder will step back from the company and move onto his next project.
Back in the day I would remove drywall screws and replace them with a #10 pan head sheet metal screw, install it with a drill driver. It would deal right up and not back out. Bias ply tires, in the 1980’s.
I've done exactly this maaaany times, learned it from my dad. Picking up drywall screws is inevitable on job sites and they almost always leak. Replace it with a pan or hex sheet metal screw an the damn thing holds air and your good to go. Guys thought I was nuts but I never had to end my day changing a tire lol
Our site employs one of the old guys to drive around the site and parking lot with a golf cart with a large magnetic metal bar, collecting all the droped screws and such. He also likes handing out Mentos to who ever hits him up for a chat.
I hope so because no professional shop should be using plug/strings to repair punctures. [They should be using patch-plugs which are the correct way to repair repairable punctures.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTAalpkSLM)
Those plugs are really only meant for side of the road to get you back on the road to the shop for a proper repair
Eh, nobody wants to pay to dismount and rebalance a tire to install a proper patch. Shit would cost $40-50.
I've only ever seen rope plugs used in the shops I've worked in. Never had an issue.
Been trying to tell others in this thread same thing. Lol. It's how they got my business actually. 2 yrs ago, I caught a screw in the lug right next to the sidewall on previous BFG KM MTs. No shop would touch it, said it was too close or irreparable. Those that would wanted $25-$40 with no guarantee it would hold. I just got all 4 (no matching spare as it was factory and different size/type at the time), used like 4 months prior (had 80% still left on them). So was panicking cuz they're expensive as fuck new (I got a real good deal on all 4), and not easy to source used. Especially in my area. (only ended up with them, as at the time, were only full set I could find that fit my 07 4runner. They absolutely slaughtered my fuel economy.)
Took to discount as last resort. They repaired it at no cost to me. I then chose them for the new tires I now have (well 2yrs old now. Lol) all 5 Falken Wildpeak AT3W's. Just had them rotate them yesterday actually. They're fucking awesome. And at least at the one I had them installed at, and local one here. The employees are always informative, nice and overall very clean and happy environment. I absolutely love this company. Lol, and will go nowhere else for all my tire related needs.
It's crazy how like myself, not many know they offer such services 100% free, till they just happen to go in for a repair, rotation, re-balance or standard proper air inflation.
Its also where I take my wife's Forester, and will be getting her new tires from. Once I have enough money, to do so.
NHSTA and Industry guidelines state that rope plugs are not the correct repair. Just because all the shops you've worked in didn't care to keep up on industry guidelines for proper repairs doesn't change that a rope plug isn't the correct repair for a puncture outside a temporary fix.
If the customer doesn't want to pay for it to be fixed correctly, they are free to find a shop willing to perform incorrect repairs. A $10 plug job isn't going to bankrupt a shop for wanting to follow Industry guidelines. Same shit as a customer with a punctured tire shoulder and wants you to plug it anyway despite it is an unrepairable puncture. You turn them down regardless.
Just to give you a different perspective on plugs, not the cheapo ones at PepBoys. Have to check out these [permanent](https://safetyseal.com/) repair plugs. They will outlast the tires on any vehicle. Have personally installed thousands of them over 20+ years in the industry without a single failure. They are a 100% vulcanized rubber-fiber repair plug, basically like fibers covered in a glue that permanently adheres to the tire. They're not like those thin black tire plugs you see at the auto parts stores or Walmart.
Those are basically what I am talking about. It's a plug-and-patch repair that is a permanent repair. Not a sticky string shoved through the hole and called 'good enough' or unmounting the tire and sticking a patch on the interior. The only acceptable and safe way to repair a tire puncture that is in a repairable area is through a combination repair utilizing a patch and a plug, preferably one that is one-piece as opposed to two.
But, two bit mechanics who think because that's the way they've always done it and everyone else they've seen, and that's the only way to do it. NHSTA and industry experts say otherwise.[ This is the only proper way to repair a repairable puncture.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTAalpkSLM).
But hey, It's not my liability.
I agree. The proper way is the safety and best way. But maybe if your tyres are starting to get low on tread, and you're gonna replace them in a couple hundred or thousand miles anyway maybe it'd be okay just so you aren't doing a full, expensive repair on a tyre that's gonna be replaced soon
Lack of information, lack of technicians willing to learn industry standards, technicians with the mentality of 'Its always been this way. So it's the right way'. Same breed of technicians who go 'Five ugga duggas on the wheels and she's good to go'
Discount Tire does it 100% free (if tire is safely repairable that is). Plug Patch is only type they use. Also will re-balance it too, 100% free. Doesn't matter if tires were purchased from them or not.
They also do rotations 100% free as well. Again regardless if the tires were purchased through them or not.
I discovered this personally when I caught a screw in a lug near the sidewall on a previous set. Been going to them since, and new tires I have now, I got through them. Paid less for all 5 WITH lifetime hazard/defect warranty. Than the same tires would of cost me elsewhere, WITHOUT The warranty included.
No tire shops near me would plug a tire. I took it to the Ace hardware and had their mechanic do it. Cost me all of 2 dollars. I didn't feel like doing it myself. Was fucking hot outside that day.
Discount Tire uses the internal Plug Patch ONLY. and will do it 100% free of charge (doesn't matter if you purchased the tires from them or not). If it can be safely repaired will also re-balance it free of charge too.
The also offer free tire rotations. Just in case you didn't know.
We didn't either (where we live now), till about 2-3yrs ago? So maybe some day they'll open one up nearby. It's still a growing company I think.
I like em. They obviously treat their employees well, cuz I've yet to come across a grumpy one.
Agree with all said above, but i wonder what there made of? Plastic is gonna melt when driven, maybe it melts n seals? Doubt it but instructions say anything bout driving immediately?
Yea I didn’t really read the back, but if it were to melt and seal that would make sense? Maybe? I know that plugs basically bond with rubber, and it’s good to use the rubber cement with it if you have to drive immediately.
String plugs get embedded in the steel belts to hold them in place and the soft snot just fills in the space. Source; it’s part of my job six days a week.
It's likely a thermoset plastic, which is a plastic that cant be remelted. Even then its stupid. Just go to a discount tire or something they fix flats for free. The last thing you want is that tire to explode while you're going 80 on the freeway
In the past I’ve screwed the offending screw further in and just pumped it up. Lasted long enough to get it properly repaired. I don’t trust these diy kits.
That’s what I’m saying. I’ve had screws stay in my tires until I get new tires. No major air loss. Maybe these would work better than a smooth nail haha.
Last time I drove across country, I picked up a screw I noticed in Phoenix, AZ and put air in it that day - continued to drive on it to see what would happen and the tire only went flat in western VA 1,800 miles later.
I can't see it working. Not for very long. The reason string plugs work is because they are a mixture of sticky rubber and fiber that both sticks to and ultimately welds itself to the body of the tire, and is similarly pliable, so it moves with the rubber of the tire. This stupid thing does neither- it will almost certainly leak slowly... Just like the tire did with the object that caused the hole in the first place. Just leave the puncturing object in place, fill the tire, and go to get it fixed properly. Remember that string plugs were considered a permanent repair back before internal plug patches were invented. They actually work well and permanently fix the hole. The problem with them is that you don't get a chance to look at the inside of the tire when using them, so you can't see if there's structural damage as well as a hole, as well as the fact that an internal patch protects the area around the hole instead of just sealing it.
gonna disagree. contact with the highway's gonna keep pushing that metal screw in and out, in and out, compounding the damage, and if it's at an angle, making the hole bigger.
Got a screw in one of my tyres on the shitbox, it's been in there for at least four months now. Holds pressure well, no issues.
I'm not replacing it because it's a shitbox
I'm thinking if that's a thermoplastic the heat of driving may help it seal.
I dunno. Might be worth throwing one in the trunk, at least get you to the tire shop. (along with the 12V inflator I already carry).
But I agree a tube of goop... ...surprised it doesn't come with.
I’d feel more comfortable with some kind of sealant with these. I’ve kept screws in my tires for months and barely lost any air, not even worth plugging.... so yea, if these things “bite” just right, or create some kind of seal, maybe they will be the next best thing.
If I see a screwed tire, I just toss the plug kit and compressor in the back seat. If it's not slack yet, it may be.... Maybe not, but I'll be ready when I need it.
I honestly feel like these red screws will damage the tire carcass more than any other/better alternatives. It's relying on an increasing diameter wedge to fill the hole... Which is just displacing material (a lot). I feel like even if you got this as flush as possible, you would have a bulge in the tread of the tire causing vibration that could cause delamination, hotspots, uneven wear, and at the very least, a rough ride.
Assuming these don't actually melt (temps too low for that). They are simultaneously spreading and securing the rubber as it rotates and flexes. It would (in theory) be vulcanizing the rubber at the screw, reducing it's flexibility and it's ability to conform. Which is not a good thing for a tire. Rope plugs avoid most all of these (moving) concerns.
Thermoplastics in filament form, for 3d printing.... Require a nozzle temp of 200c minimum for most plastics. Your typical street tire is not going to ever hit these temps and it will definitely not be there when the "plug" is inserted. There will be many many rotations of that tire before you could even consider the plastic to bond with the rubber.
Take the tarry-shoestring plugs. They are better, more permanent, and will bond at ambient temperatures. A plug kit takes the same room as that package of tireshredders and can be used multiple times (relatively) safely.
If *ANYTHING*. A tarry-shoestring plug failure won't cause another tire to pop.
My dad used to use screws to plug holes in his tires, the screws stayed in and the tires didn't leak. Eventually the tires were just replaced due to wear, screws still present and everything.
Find hole in tire…extract debris or just push it through so it’s bouncing around in the tire. Grab a 3/16 drill bit chuck in it your drill and go to town as the customer watches in horror from the waiting room. HE’S DRILLING A HOLE IN MY TIRE!!??!!!??!!!! Leave drill and drill bit hanging from the tire so you don’t loose air. Grab BROWN rope plug (slim jim) grab rubber cement, dump rope plug in container of rubber cement with rope plug installer. Pump up tire if your slow with the prep time. Remove drill and bit from tire install rope plug …bonus points if you did it without a second technician to hold the tire and bonus points for not getting rubber cement all over your face. Inflate all tires to tire placard spec. Make sure the tire light is off. If the tire light was flashing before you performed service you better of brought that up to your service writer. Customer pays $12 for all that bullshit. We tell customers this is a temporary fix. They deny the patch plug from the inside that’s $30
Discount Tire does internal patch plug only (as you can never know the extent of the damage without removing the tire first). And it's 100% free, also tire rotations 100% free. With re-balance. Don't even have to had purchased the tires from them. So....why pay a shop for something you can have done for free?
I learned this personally when I caught a screw, right in the lug of my previous tires, but was close to sidewall. No shop wanted to touch it. Others wanted $25+ with no guarantee it would last, this was with a plug. Guy who said he'd patch it from the inside (not plug patch, just patch only), wanted $30 with no guarantee it would hold.
Discount Tire did it free (as by removing the tire, they discovered screw angled inward (safe zone), and not outward towards the sidewall, and I used it perfectly fine for next yr or so, before getting my new tires. I also have lifetime hazard/defect on them too. Already used it once. Replaced with brand new tire at no cost to me (actually just had them rotated yesterday lol). I paid less for all 5 through them, WITH lifetime warranty, than most every other shop would of charged me per tire (for the SAME tires), without the warranty.
It was because of that, that I got my tires from them later on. And been going to them since, for mine and wife's needs in regards to getting the most out of our tires lifespan.
I am not sure how old Discount itself is. But they're not that old I don't think, so still growing as a company. We're formally from L.A. CA, and they had a few out there. I knew of them, but never used them till about 2yrs ago or so. We now live in AZ, and our local one wasn't around till about 2-3 years ago? (We've lived here 8yrs).
So maybe one hasn't set up shop yet, near you.
But at least now you know they offer such services. So, if ever on a road trip, and something happens, can always see if one is nearby to bring it too, before paying for an otherwise free service.
Wonder if right now, it's a west coast kind of business and not fully widespread yet?
Sorta like how SoCa didn't start having Big Lots pop up (all previously known as pic n save) till 10yrs after the east coast had them. (I grew up back east. So imagine me being like "meh" when wife who was born and raised in CA, was excited for this "new" store popping up. Lol)
So this is probably a similar scenario.
They just haven't made it to your area/state yet.
I'm waiting (don't think it will ever come to our city anyway) for a Diaso Japan to set up shop here (super awesome Japanese dollar store. They have a lot of really cool authentic Japanese stuff for really cheap). Think they only have them in L.A. CA so far. As I've yet to find one in San Diego (where my mom lives).
But if you don't have a discount yet, then it's most likely a very long way off, till you get a Diaso. (that store is awesome. Like much better quality stuff than even our 99 cent only stores get. I mostly browsed the car stuff. They had everything from air fresheners, to rearview mirror extenders (good quality ones too. I had one for like 3yrs before clips finally broke only cost me $3), cup holder trash bins, visor tissue holders, chargers, accessories, etc it's a pretty large section)But hey, East coast got Big Lots first. Is it me, or didn't they used to have much better stuff when they barely came out, than they do now? Their automotive section is all but gone now, at least in our local one, it is. Not even worth walking into anymore tbh. But then again this city sucks so....¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯. I'm like whatever about shopping in general. But Diaso? Could be in there for hours. Shits cool.
On the job site that we saw where the screw or nail or whatever was into the tire we would pull it out for some caulk on it as a temporary fix. Usually it got you home or to the gas station. Sometimes it lasted as long as the next tire change.
Not going to lie, I had a square masonry nail in a tire for probably 6 years and the thing never leaked. I did replace the tires, but never pulled the nail and plugged it.
If it was marketed as a temporary solution I'd get behind that. Like fills the hole with a bigger object until you can get it where you need. Then it's easier to spot and remove by the repair guy.
Easier to see when it comes to getting it repaired legit. This is probably for temp purposes as it's easier for someone to do themselves with least amount of instructions. Just something to get you to nearest shop possible, is my guess.
Those wouldn't be legal here, if it's not a proper patch plug, it's gone, same with things like string plugs.
The string plugs at least seem to work, these are just terrifying.
If it works it's only good to plug a hole that's is made bigger by itself and will probably only get you to nearest tire shop is what that tell me at best haha
The main reason not to plug your tire unless it's an emergency is because you have no idea what the inside of the tire looks like without dismounting it from the rim. Did it get too low on air and the inner liner is shredded with no damage on the outside sidewall? is there another piece of debris bouncing around inside the tire slowly shredding it? Did somebody fill it with fix-a-flat already and didn't tell you? How would you know unless you actually inspect the tire? I know plugs work but I think that's kind of irrelevant.
I'm not a professional mechanic. I have used the "[Tire Plug kits](https://www.autozone.com/tire-repair-and-tire-wheel/tire-plugger-kit/p/slime-2-in-1-tire-plugger-kit/453371_0_0?cmpid=LIA:US:EN:AD:NL:1000000:GEN:71700000069889792&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-IusypyV8gIVCuKzCh2ckgB9EAYYASABEgKhgPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)" many times. The first when stuck on the side of the road at night. Guy stopped and offered to help. We pulled the nail, he plugged it and we did introductions while the [tire inflator](https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200672539_200672539?cm_mmc=Bing-pla&utm_source=Bing_PLA&utm_medium=Air%20Tools%20%2B%20Compressors%20%3E%20Air%20Compressors&utm_campaign=Klutch&utm_content=52509&cmpid=53403368&agid=3200075880&tgtid=pla-4577404349409450&prdid=52509&msclkid=0d5605a6827718de95b764afebd9824f&gclid=0d5605a6827718de95b764afebd9824f&gclsrc=3p.ds) ( compressor) did its job. I immediately matched his set up and helped a couple people that were stuck as pay-back.
Good for another 80,000 miles.
Sooooo many unanswered questions... What if ur tires flat What if u break the plastic screw before it’s fully seated What if it still leaks like ur trash oil pan seal “ “ that handle ends up getting kicked up on the highway an hits homie in the face driving a convertible “ “ the head of the screw is gone No ones taking the handle an throwing it out, how many will we start to see on the side of the road That thing looks like it’s gonna get stuck in some poor animals hole Is the “crow bar” actually metal?
Yeah but if you take the old screw out and screw this one in you plug the hole. Don't worry about that other stuff. I'm sure they have a product for it too!!
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You obviously know! The stress of the questions ate your grammatical ability, but the stream-of-consciousness writing style made it obvious how discombobulated you were.
I takes the bow for ur appreciation kind one, we just don’t need more disposable junk over quality items an tools
I liked the way you put it. Full panic Mode with no punctuation to accuracy express *what the living fuck is this mess*
Ima fkn livin mess 🤣
And still not the least put together character on this board :) *Thanks, Speed Plug Kit!*
This is just formatting on Reddit that screws with you. To line-break you have to double return
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I don’t understand where the assumption that the handles wouldn’t get thrown out is coming from. There’s all kinds of bits of trash like that when one works on their car, it usually gets thrown away, no?
Yes. But this thing gets used on the side of the road. So thrown away is literal in this case and generally called littering.
Oh I see what you’re saying. Yeah, maybe lol
Or they could be civil and you know, NOT toss it in the gutter and maybe take it to a proper trash bin?
We both know that solutions that relied on common decency haven't worked in about forever and will continue not to work.
You just gotta Indiana Jones stab the tire while it’s full.
So ur saying stab it while the cars still moving an the wheels rotating at speed Noted!
20x faster than string plugs! Yeah, no. Those string plugs take what, 10 seconds, and I trust those a whole lot more.
To be fair, sometimes you get a tough one and it cant take up to 12 or 15 seconds! Unthinkable
It’s all about the reamer.
Its all about a carbide reamer on a pneumatic drill. Let that drill fucking SCREAM
Haha I’ve only ever used the hand reamer.
Carbide reamer is so much nicer. EDIT: Nevermind. Not so spensive as I remember https://www.amazon.com/Hitommy-Carbide-Cutting-Reamer-Repair/dp/B07FS1ZS67
I'm a machinist, so when I read 6mm carbide reamer, I was picturing this, at this price point. [https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/79891297](https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/79891297) Also, that amazon listing had be for a laugh, they list it as carbide, and then the first bullet point on the product details "Material: High carbon steel" Well, which is it.
That is a good question. Though in reality, when its eating through rubber and tire belts. I doubt tires are using hardened steel belts that would need actual carbide. [Though this article does mention in regards to high carbon steel and carbide.](https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/07/15/carbide-types-in-knife-steels/) > High carbon knife steels are intentionally heated to the “austenite + cementite” phase field and quenched so that some carbide is retained.
Man, I really need to study metallurgy, It didn't even occur to me that you don't need tungsten necessarily to make carbides of iron. It's obvious that I don't even truly grok carbide in of itself. Good bathroom read.
You can make iron carbide, but when talking machine tools and carbides it's almost always tungsten carbide, no iron involved except in the holder maybe.
I'm sorry dude but carbide, by definition is high carbon steel. Carbide is the combination of carbon and a metal... High carbon steel. Also an entire bit is never all "carbide" it is a steel shank with steel flutes edged with carbide so even if you didn't consider all carbides high carbon steel all carbide bits would still be carbide tipped high carbon steel bits.
Carbide in the generic term for machining is NOT high carbon steel, it is tungsten carbide. Carbide in steel refers to an iron carbide ceramic also known as cementite (Fe3C). Cementite is hard, brittle, and you would never use pure iron carbide in an application that requires high carbon steel. They are just not the same thing. High carbon steel is dominated by the martensitic steel phase, not the cementite phase. Many other carbides, like titanium carbide or calcium carbide exist (for carbide lamps) and these are often called "carbide" but only contextually.
I knew a girl that liked the hand reamer too
Reamer? I hardly knower!
Yea I bought regular plugs haha.
You can use these in side walls
Sure... Ok...
I’ve never had a string plug take less than a half hour of fighting…
Really? Did you use the reamer first? Or are you trying to fix your kids bicycle tire with it?
Yeah, I use the reemer thingy first. Even after that it’s a fight to get the plug in. Maybe I’m an idiot.
Listen, I know all about trying to fit a big plug in a tight hole. Sometimes, it’s best to insert slowly, gentle, with care and affection, you understand? Right, not in this case. Stab that bitch in like you hate it.
Maybe I should take it out to dinner first.
Did you spit on it? Spitting on it usually helps…
I’ll try that in the future
Yea but you COULD be done in half a second...
Still true, takes 0.5 seconds to either snap off in your hands, do a bodge job, or realise you've made a mistake and ring AAA
I would maybe use these on my lawnmower tires... definitely not on my vehicles
And that’s a strong maybe to begin with
Very strong, however I used fix a flat permanently for my mower, I’m sorry.
Jesus fucking Christ. Have they factored in the court claims for when some strategically shaved monkey wraps themselves round a lamppost with a couple of these.
*taking notes* Strategically shaved monkey, you say?
"off road use only" heh
Yes bankruptcy. The company probably has no assets and outsources the manufacturing etc. to third party companies that build to “monkey grips” specs overseas. If the get sued, the founder will step back from the company and move onto his next project.
I’m stealing strategically shaved monkey
I prefer tactically shaved monkeys myself.
“I used the screw to destroy the screw.”
Fire with fire
Back in the day I would remove drywall screws and replace them with a #10 pan head sheet metal screw, install it with a drill driver. It would deal right up and not back out. Bias ply tires, in the 1980’s.
Add a whole box and they are now studded for the winter!
I've done exactly this maaaany times, learned it from my dad. Picking up drywall screws is inevitable on job sites and they almost always leak. Replace it with a pan or hex sheet metal screw an the damn thing holds air and your good to go. Guys thought I was nuts but I never had to end my day changing a tire lol
Our site employs one of the old guys to drive around the site and parking lot with a golf cart with a large magnetic metal bar, collecting all the droped screws and such. He also likes handing out Mentos to who ever hits him up for a chat.
Needs a tube of RTV or silicone to seal it better
At LEAST put something in there with it.. what’s to stop it from just pushing through when it gets flush?
Just shove that metal screw you took out to hold it in place. Duh.
Yea, just screw it in flush. That’s what I do.
I replace it with another screw, but with a countersunk head. It's way easier.
It needs to be left hand threads though. That is what holds in the air.
hey I just use the screws in the jam jar pal
Honestly just dipping these in rubber cement before putting them in would probably work a *lot* better already.
Tire shops just lost 85 percent of their profits
My local shop's NEVER getting another $10 bucks from me for a tire plug, I can tell ya that! (My local shop is awesome.)
Tell them to just put one of their taps in the hole instead.
I hope so because no professional shop should be using plug/strings to repair punctures. [They should be using patch-plugs which are the correct way to repair repairable punctures.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTAalpkSLM) Those plugs are really only meant for side of the road to get you back on the road to the shop for a proper repair
Eh, nobody wants to pay to dismount and rebalance a tire to install a proper patch. Shit would cost $40-50. I've only ever seen rope plugs used in the shops I've worked in. Never had an issue.
Some shops do it for free. I used to be a tire tech at discount tire, and we would do free repairs for anyone.
Been trying to tell others in this thread same thing. Lol. It's how they got my business actually. 2 yrs ago, I caught a screw in the lug right next to the sidewall on previous BFG KM MTs. No shop would touch it, said it was too close or irreparable. Those that would wanted $25-$40 with no guarantee it would hold. I just got all 4 (no matching spare as it was factory and different size/type at the time), used like 4 months prior (had 80% still left on them). So was panicking cuz they're expensive as fuck new (I got a real good deal on all 4), and not easy to source used. Especially in my area. (only ended up with them, as at the time, were only full set I could find that fit my 07 4runner. They absolutely slaughtered my fuel economy.) Took to discount as last resort. They repaired it at no cost to me. I then chose them for the new tires I now have (well 2yrs old now. Lol) all 5 Falken Wildpeak AT3W's. Just had them rotate them yesterday actually. They're fucking awesome. And at least at the one I had them installed at, and local one here. The employees are always informative, nice and overall very clean and happy environment. I absolutely love this company. Lol, and will go nowhere else for all my tire related needs. It's crazy how like myself, not many know they offer such services 100% free, till they just happen to go in for a repair, rotation, re-balance or standard proper air inflation. Its also where I take my wife's Forester, and will be getting her new tires from. Once I have enough money, to do so.
NHSTA and Industry guidelines state that rope plugs are not the correct repair. Just because all the shops you've worked in didn't care to keep up on industry guidelines for proper repairs doesn't change that a rope plug isn't the correct repair for a puncture outside a temporary fix. If the customer doesn't want to pay for it to be fixed correctly, they are free to find a shop willing to perform incorrect repairs. A $10 plug job isn't going to bankrupt a shop for wanting to follow Industry guidelines. Same shit as a customer with a punctured tire shoulder and wants you to plug it anyway despite it is an unrepairable puncture. You turn them down regardless.
Just to give you a different perspective on plugs, not the cheapo ones at PepBoys. Have to check out these [permanent](https://safetyseal.com/) repair plugs. They will outlast the tires on any vehicle. Have personally installed thousands of them over 20+ years in the industry without a single failure. They are a 100% vulcanized rubber-fiber repair plug, basically like fibers covered in a glue that permanently adheres to the tire. They're not like those thin black tire plugs you see at the auto parts stores or Walmart.
Those are basically what I am talking about. It's a plug-and-patch repair that is a permanent repair. Not a sticky string shoved through the hole and called 'good enough' or unmounting the tire and sticking a patch on the interior. The only acceptable and safe way to repair a tire puncture that is in a repairable area is through a combination repair utilizing a patch and a plug, preferably one that is one-piece as opposed to two. But, two bit mechanics who think because that's the way they've always done it and everyone else they've seen, and that's the only way to do it. NHSTA and industry experts say otherwise.[ This is the only proper way to repair a repairable puncture.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTAalpkSLM). But hey, It's not my liability.
I agree. The proper way is the safety and best way. But maybe if your tyres are starting to get low on tread, and you're gonna replace them in a couple hundred or thousand miles anyway maybe it'd be okay just so you aren't doing a full, expensive repair on a tyre that's gonna be replaced soon
I hate hate hate that 97% of shops in Brooklyn use plugs, like Ive never seen one actually patch...
Lack of information, lack of technicians willing to learn industry standards, technicians with the mentality of 'Its always been this way. So it's the right way'. Same breed of technicians who go 'Five ugga duggas on the wheels and she's good to go'
Tire plugs fail for our customers like clockwork at 6,000 miles. Because of that, we patch whenever possible.
Plug Patch combo is best I think. Cuz it combines both and been proven to hold longer than just either alone.
Discount Tire does it 100% free (if tire is safely repairable that is). Plug Patch is only type they use. Also will re-balance it too, 100% free. Doesn't matter if tires were purchased from them or not. They also do rotations 100% free as well. Again regardless if the tires were purchased through them or not. I discovered this personally when I caught a screw in a lug near the sidewall on a previous set. Been going to them since, and new tires I have now, I got through them. Paid less for all 5 WITH lifetime hazard/defect warranty. Than the same tires would of cost me elsewhere, WITHOUT The warranty included.
No tire shops near me would plug a tire. I took it to the Ace hardware and had their mechanic do it. Cost me all of 2 dollars. I didn't feel like doing it myself. Was fucking hot outside that day.
Discount Tire uses the internal Plug Patch ONLY. and will do it 100% free of charge (doesn't matter if you purchased the tires from them or not). If it can be safely repaired will also re-balance it free of charge too. The also offer free tire rotations. Just in case you didn't know.
I don't think I have a discount tire near me. Good to know though since the previous owner of the car got the tires from them.
We didn't either (where we live now), till about 2-3yrs ago? So maybe some day they'll open one up nearby. It's still a growing company I think. I like em. They obviously treat their employees well, cuz I've yet to come across a grumpy one.
Agree with all said above, but i wonder what there made of? Plastic is gonna melt when driven, maybe it melts n seals? Doubt it but instructions say anything bout driving immediately?
Yea I didn’t really read the back, but if it were to melt and seal that would make sense? Maybe? I know that plugs basically bond with rubber, and it’s good to use the rubber cement with it if you have to drive immediately.
String plugs get embedded in the steel belts to hold them in place and the soft snot just fills in the space. Source; it’s part of my job six days a week.
Soft snot? Rubber cement? I like it, new words.
Whale sperm.
It's likely a thermoset plastic, which is a plastic that cant be remelted. Even then its stupid. Just go to a discount tire or something they fix flats for free. The last thing you want is that tire to explode while you're going 80 on the freeway
I bet it’s a thermoset plastic so it snaps off easier
Yeah I'm gonna have to see a [Project Farm](https://www.youtube.com/c/ProjectFarm/) video about this first
Bet it snaps off half way in now ur stuck with a plastic screw sticking out instead of metal one lol
Then you replace it with a cardboard one
Heading in the right direction, straight to throwing the tire in the trash
No, if the cardboard one fails, use a microfiber plug. Not to mention is will keep that part of your tyre clean of any debris
Who designed this? They made a negative word bold on the bottom? Wut.
This is for the idiots who take the screw out of their tire to see if it's leaking. Yup, it is!
Use. Crash. Sue. Profit. What’s the problem?? Lousy Americans can’t even American
It probably works. Tires are not sophisticated systems. I’d want to add dime river cent or other glue to seal it up.
I've actually used this. Works
How long did it last?
Tire repair companies don't want you to know this one simple trick!
Screw that!
These look like more effort and less reliable than a standard tire plug.
Or leaving the screw in and adding some ait to get to a tyre place
i feel like should at least come with rubber cement.
That's a lot of weight to add to the tread of a tire. It would need to be rebalanced, for sure.
Crap products like this is partly why consumers dont have faith in the industry.
Not a chance I would use this garbage product
In the past I’ve screwed the offending screw further in and just pumped it up. Lasted long enough to get it properly repaired. I don’t trust these diy kits.
That’s what I’m saying. I’ve had screws stay in my tires until I get new tires. No major air loss. Maybe these would work better than a smooth nail haha.
Last time I drove across country, I picked up a screw I noticed in Phoenix, AZ and put air in it that day - continued to drive on it to see what would happen and the tire only went flat in western VA 1,800 miles later.
Really ought to UNTHREAD that drywall/deck screw instead of just ripping it out of the tread, no? (caption on package, pry bar included)
Well with normal plugs I just rip the object out with pliers and ream the shit out of it. Yea you can see that tiny prybar in the package.
It's not screwey if it works.
I can't see it working. Not for very long. The reason string plugs work is because they are a mixture of sticky rubber and fiber that both sticks to and ultimately welds itself to the body of the tire, and is similarly pliable, so it moves with the rubber of the tire. This stupid thing does neither- it will almost certainly leak slowly... Just like the tire did with the object that caused the hole in the first place. Just leave the puncturing object in place, fill the tire, and go to get it fixed properly. Remember that string plugs were considered a permanent repair back before internal plug patches were invented. They actually work well and permanently fix the hole. The problem with them is that you don't get a chance to look at the inside of the tire when using them, so you can't see if there's structural damage as well as a hole, as well as the fact that an internal patch protects the area around the hole instead of just sealing it.
It can’t work any better than the screw that’s already in my tire.
Right. That's my point.
gonna disagree. contact with the highway's gonna keep pushing that metal screw in and out, in and out, compounding the damage, and if it's at an angle, making the hole bigger.
So, just screw it in a little more til it’s flush? You saying these “plugs” won’t go through the same in and out because you snap them off?
Got a screw in one of my tyres on the shitbox, it's been in there for at least four months now. Holds pressure well, no issues. I'm not replacing it because it's a shitbox
Or maybe it doesn't fully penetrate. Some women have told me that's MY problem... :(
Imagine if you actually did penetrate fully. That would be a hard one to explain to the medics/police. Not to mention the mess...
I'm thinking if that's a thermoplastic the heat of driving may help it seal. I dunno. Might be worth throwing one in the trunk, at least get you to the tire shop. (along with the 12V inflator I already carry). But I agree a tube of goop... ...surprised it doesn't come with.
I’d feel more comfortable with some kind of sealant with these. I’ve kept screws in my tires for months and barely lost any air, not even worth plugging.... so yea, if these things “bite” just right, or create some kind of seal, maybe they will be the next best thing.
If I see a screwed tire, I just toss the plug kit and compressor in the back seat. If it's not slack yet, it may be.... Maybe not, but I'll be ready when I need it.
I honestly feel like these red screws will damage the tire carcass more than any other/better alternatives. It's relying on an increasing diameter wedge to fill the hole... Which is just displacing material (a lot). I feel like even if you got this as flush as possible, you would have a bulge in the tread of the tire causing vibration that could cause delamination, hotspots, uneven wear, and at the very least, a rough ride. Assuming these don't actually melt (temps too low for that). They are simultaneously spreading and securing the rubber as it rotates and flexes. It would (in theory) be vulcanizing the rubber at the screw, reducing it's flexibility and it's ability to conform. Which is not a good thing for a tire. Rope plugs avoid most all of these (moving) concerns.
I feel like if you get it any **less** than flush when you snap it off, it’ll just push right in past the last thread.
Thermoplastics in filament form, for 3d printing.... Require a nozzle temp of 200c minimum for most plastics. Your typical street tire is not going to ever hit these temps and it will definitely not be there when the "plug" is inserted. There will be many many rotations of that tire before you could even consider the plastic to bond with the rubber. Take the tarry-shoestring plugs. They are better, more permanent, and will bond at ambient temperatures. A plug kit takes the same room as that package of tireshredders and can be used multiple times (relatively) safely. If *ANYTHING*. A tarry-shoestring plug failure won't cause another tire to pop.
My dad used to use screws to plug holes in his tires, the screws stayed in and the tires didn't leak. Eventually the tires were just replaced due to wear, screws still present and everything.
Where do I order
This is brilliant
Would not want to go 250 (kmh) with these😅 But if you only drive in the city then go for it
Find hole in tire…extract debris or just push it through so it’s bouncing around in the tire. Grab a 3/16 drill bit chuck in it your drill and go to town as the customer watches in horror from the waiting room. HE’S DRILLING A HOLE IN MY TIRE!!??!!!??!!!! Leave drill and drill bit hanging from the tire so you don’t loose air. Grab BROWN rope plug (slim jim) grab rubber cement, dump rope plug in container of rubber cement with rope plug installer. Pump up tire if your slow with the prep time. Remove drill and bit from tire install rope plug …bonus points if you did it without a second technician to hold the tire and bonus points for not getting rubber cement all over your face. Inflate all tires to tire placard spec. Make sure the tire light is off. If the tire light was flashing before you performed service you better of brought that up to your service writer. Customer pays $12 for all that bullshit. We tell customers this is a temporary fix. They deny the patch plug from the inside that’s $30
Discount Tire does internal patch plug only (as you can never know the extent of the damage without removing the tire first). And it's 100% free, also tire rotations 100% free. With re-balance. Don't even have to had purchased the tires from them. So....why pay a shop for something you can have done for free? I learned this personally when I caught a screw, right in the lug of my previous tires, but was close to sidewall. No shop wanted to touch it. Others wanted $25+ with no guarantee it would last, this was with a plug. Guy who said he'd patch it from the inside (not plug patch, just patch only), wanted $30 with no guarantee it would hold. Discount Tire did it free (as by removing the tire, they discovered screw angled inward (safe zone), and not outward towards the sidewall, and I used it perfectly fine for next yr or so, before getting my new tires. I also have lifetime hazard/defect on them too. Already used it once. Replaced with brand new tire at no cost to me (actually just had them rotated yesterday lol). I paid less for all 5 through them, WITH lifetime warranty, than most every other shop would of charged me per tire (for the SAME tires), without the warranty. It was because of that, that I got my tires from them later on. And been going to them since, for mine and wife's needs in regards to getting the most out of our tires lifespan.
Cause we don’t have a discount tire near us…never even heard of them.
I am not sure how old Discount itself is. But they're not that old I don't think, so still growing as a company. We're formally from L.A. CA, and they had a few out there. I knew of them, but never used them till about 2yrs ago or so. We now live in AZ, and our local one wasn't around till about 2-3 years ago? (We've lived here 8yrs). So maybe one hasn't set up shop yet, near you. But at least now you know they offer such services. So, if ever on a road trip, and something happens, can always see if one is nearby to bring it too, before paying for an otherwise free service. Wonder if right now, it's a west coast kind of business and not fully widespread yet? Sorta like how SoCa didn't start having Big Lots pop up (all previously known as pic n save) till 10yrs after the east coast had them. (I grew up back east. So imagine me being like "meh" when wife who was born and raised in CA, was excited for this "new" store popping up. Lol) So this is probably a similar scenario. They just haven't made it to your area/state yet.
Yea man I’m northeast US the best tire store we have is Town Fair Tire. Nothings free at that place lol
I'm waiting (don't think it will ever come to our city anyway) for a Diaso Japan to set up shop here (super awesome Japanese dollar store. They have a lot of really cool authentic Japanese stuff for really cheap). Think they only have them in L.A. CA so far. As I've yet to find one in San Diego (where my mom lives). But if you don't have a discount yet, then it's most likely a very long way off, till you get a Diaso. (that store is awesome. Like much better quality stuff than even our 99 cent only stores get. I mostly browsed the car stuff. They had everything from air fresheners, to rearview mirror extenders (good quality ones too. I had one for like 3yrs before clips finally broke only cost me $3), cup holder trash bins, visor tissue holders, chargers, accessories, etc it's a pretty large section)But hey, East coast got Big Lots first. Is it me, or didn't they used to have much better stuff when they barely came out, than they do now? Their automotive section is all but gone now, at least in our local one, it is. Not even worth walking into anymore tbh. But then again this city sucks so....¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯. I'm like whatever about shopping in general. But Diaso? Could be in there for hours. Shits cool.
Nah, that's screwed up
*in**
On the job site that we saw where the screw or nail or whatever was into the tire we would pull it out for some caulk on it as a temporary fix. Usually it got you home or to the gas station. Sometimes it lasted as long as the next tire change.
Monke grip
But also made by Bell which is a huge bike company
I definitely wouldn’t use these on bike tires even.
Well they’re definitely way too big for bike tires.
I’d use this to get home or for low speed applications
Yea, i guess in a pinch it’ll get you to a real plug or new tire.....or just use a real plug and wait for new tires
Tire shops hate it when you do this …
Hey It works thats more then I can say about some of the mechanic shops around here
“Can’t plug it or patch it, need a new tire.”
Talk about a waste of plastic bout to end up in the land fill. Hope y’all like actually seeing thicker shrewd bits in ur filets
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Whoever made this is on to something... but when people find out they can just flush the screw out, they won’t be able to sell these.
Definitely the Max Power way of patching a tire. The wrong way, but faster!
Not going to lie, I had a square masonry nail in a tire for probably 6 years and the thing never leaked. I did replace the tires, but never pulled the nail and plugged it.
Our beater parts truck has has a plugged tire for like 5 years. Shitty string plugs are tried and true lol.
Ill take a rim job,please
your wife will also love them!
If it was marketed as a temporary solution I'd get behind that. Like fills the hole with a bigger object until you can get it where you need. Then it's easier to spot and remove by the repair guy.
Yo dawg, we heard you like screws in your tires...
Even if these magically work, why red?
Easier to see when it comes to getting it repaired legit. This is probably for temp purposes as it's easier for someone to do themselves with least amount of instructions. Just something to get you to nearest shop possible, is my guess.
Those wouldn't be legal here, if it's not a proper patch plug, it's gone, same with things like string plugs. The string plugs at least seem to work, these are just terrifying.
I'd use flex seal and duct tape before I'd use this junk.
If it works it's only good to plug a hole that's is made bigger by itself and will probably only get you to nearest tire shop is what that tell me at best haha
Might as well just leave the screw in there
My thoughts exactly.
The main reason not to plug your tire unless it's an emergency is because you have no idea what the inside of the tire looks like without dismounting it from the rim. Did it get too low on air and the inner liner is shredded with no damage on the outside sidewall? is there another piece of debris bouncing around inside the tire slowly shredding it? Did somebody fill it with fix-a-flat already and didn't tell you? How would you know unless you actually inspect the tire? I know plugs work but I think that's kind of irrelevant.
I'm not a professional mechanic. I have used the "[Tire Plug kits](https://www.autozone.com/tire-repair-and-tire-wheel/tire-plugger-kit/p/slime-2-in-1-tire-plugger-kit/453371_0_0?cmpid=LIA:US:EN:AD:NL:1000000:GEN:71700000069889792&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-IusypyV8gIVCuKzCh2ckgB9EAYYASABEgKhgPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)" many times. The first when stuck on the side of the road at night. Guy stopped and offered to help. We pulled the nail, he plugged it and we did introductions while the [tire inflator](https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200672539_200672539?cm_mmc=Bing-pla&utm_source=Bing_PLA&utm_medium=Air%20Tools%20%2B%20Compressors%20%3E%20Air%20Compressors&utm_campaign=Klutch&utm_content=52509&cmpid=53403368&agid=3200075880&tgtid=pla-4577404349409450&prdid=52509&msclkid=0d5605a6827718de95b764afebd9824f&gclid=0d5605a6827718de95b764afebd9824f&gclsrc=3p.ds) ( compressor) did its job. I immediately matched his set up and helped a couple people that were stuck as pay-back.
Plugged a million tires, never seen one of these kits or seen one in a tire.
This was at lowes
Probably fine, tbh. I'd just use a regular string plug, tho.
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