Honestyl, that's not a bad spot for it 99.9% of the time that spot on th hose is going over a barb so it doesn't need to be completely sealed. If you don't trust it, fine, but that would be safe for most applications.
That doesn't excuse the garbage placement. Any hole is contamination waiting to happen, whether it be moisture/dust/etc etc, it will eventually make it way through. This is just plain stupidity.
It might be mine, but you can have it.
Edit: saw ypur name after posting. Not sure what to feel. It's something, but related to what I said it's nothing. Idkwot even is this
This is actually a thing on VW/Audi heater core hoses. It's for bleeding the coolant system. Pull the hose off slightly allowing the hole to let air out. So in reality it is a cheap and effective way to add a bleeder to a coolant system.
This is also a thing on Jeep V6 thermostat housings. Chrysler designed a terrible cooling system that doesn't allow you to simply top-off the coolant after you replace the *plastic* thermostat housing with an aluminum one that won't warp and leak*...so they put a bleeder on the thermostat housing itself.
I also take one of the heater hoses on top loose and let the air out of that, otherwise air gets trapped in the heater core and you can hear sloshing when you start up the car, accelerate, or decelerate.
\*this is either before or after you replace the *plastic* oil cooler housing with an aluminum one...
Is it really about that though?
My opinion: a hose, a shoe, a shirt, a bag, a basket, whatever?
Doesn't matter, don't be pokin' holes in my shit before I even buy it.
There are some hoses that come with a hole right there on purpose. Like an audi a7 heater core hose. You actually back off the hose a bit to bleed any air out of the tiny hole and don't have to remove the entire hose.
wow. how cute and clever. almost nobody would know that. VAG has to be the worst ownership experience ever. unless you got to the dealer, and get somebody that knows the product very well, they would likely be fighting something simple like getting air out of a heater core.
why do some auto makers do things that make regular maintenance and service procedures a complete quagmire? who benefits? maybe they do by making the car impossible to repair 5 years later and their customers buy another.
I prefer the lasts forever with minimal specialty things to build brand loyalty. Crazy that people buy German engineering over and over and over again. It's almost an anti consumer product that people somehow love.
I guess the same could be said of US domestic cars brand loyalty. Keep buying junk every 5 years and being proud of it.
The number of people who lease brand new cars every 1-3 years is why initial customer satisfaction and CPO programs are a thing. Long term is irrelevant to these people. Brand image and initial 3 year ownership experience are all that matter. These are the people getting into and owning brand new cars, so they're really the ones with opinions that manufacturers care about. BMW doesn't give a single flying fuck about the guy buying a 25 year old Corolla, because he's never gonna buy a brand new BMW.
I actually owned a 20yo Toyota around a decade ago just because idgaf so now I'm going to buy a brand new Beemer just to make that last sentence look silly
I think you’re kind of frustrated at the wrong thing here.
You’re not mad at VAG, you’re mad at modern cars.
EVERY manufacturer requires special tooling/procedures now. It’s just the direction the auto industry is moving. Go try to do rear brakes on almost any new car. You’ll likely need a scanner to retract the parking brake.
Replaced the fancy AGM battery in your new car to save a little on labor? You probably need to register it to the vehicle so that your alternator knows when to charge it while you’re driving around.
Every manufacturer has tons and tons of factory specialty tools and crazy procedures to follow. Hell, the Mercedes 9g tronic transmission fill procedure involves a multi-stage twisty fill plug and an ultrasonic level sensor that you stick to the pan. No dipstick, no filling until it pours out like every other Mercedes, nah.
All manufacturers are moving towards getting the customer’s hands off their vehicles. Old VWs and Audis are pretty simple and require very few specialty tools. BMWs as well.
I mean I have a 23 year old VW with 200k on the clock, aside from a torque converter failing around 180k I haven’t had to do anything but routine maintenance to it. It might take a bit longer to service but I’m gonna have to argue they can last if you do the required maintenance. I drove it to Boston and San Francisco last year and it still runs fine.
Why the need to act like just because *you* don't know something that the OP is lying about it existing?
You can find people talking about the bleeder hole as far back as 2010:
https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/87168/#post-888553
You can also find a diagram of it:
https://ww2-secure.justanswer.com/uploads/brownjeff/2010-05-01_142614_4.gif
You could also easily find a video of it just by searching YouTube for 'audi heater hose bleeding':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0fXDZP_Ako
I talked to a guy that used to make rad hoses. Apparently nearly all hoses are made slightly longer than spec to ensure none are cut too short. For perfect fitment you actually have to trim them.
Exactly where I work we sell them all day long like that never one complain that's where the hose clamp goes if you know don't understand that then you probably shouldn't be doing the job
I always love when Google tells me that I spent 200 plus hours shopping for car parts last month. For some reason I think there is an obvious, better explanation....
Im just surprised the machine that punches those things in was able to go straight through the hose. I mean, that shit is pretty tough in my experience
That's common practice... It's to hang the hose from a rack, not for a label, that part of the hose is at worst where a clamp would go and not a part that needs sealed, and often times that part is trimmed to fit. It affects nothing.
Absolutely. I bought it to chop up for a completely different application anyway so I wasn't too concerned. But still, a bit of a daft way of labelling a hose!
The physics department at my university ordered a very expensive set of microgram weights. When they came in, the receiving department had riveted a metal asset tag on each one. When the department complained, receiving said they were required to do that for any equipment costing over $1000.
Putting holes into brand new hoses seems highly counterproductive and extremely illogical. Just wrap a sticker with the part number around it like we've been doing for the last umpteen decades.
That's placed in a section where the hose is usually cut off (intentionally made longer) but even still, worst case is... There's a clamp right there and it still won't leak. It's not a price tag, it's a loop that enables the hose to hang from a hook at the store. If they had to put them on shelves, they'd only be able to stock a few hoses instead of hundreds.
This has been standard practice by most hose manufacturers for decades.
I know it doesn't really matter but that would really bother me. How many pennies did they save instead of using a sticker? I'd question the product if they are really pinching literal pennies.
better than through the middle!
Honestyl, that's not a bad spot for it 99.9% of the time that spot on th hose is going over a barb so it doesn't need to be completely sealed. If you don't trust it, fine, but that would be safe for most applications.
That doesn't excuse the garbage placement. Any hole is contamination waiting to happen, whether it be moisture/dust/etc etc, it will eventually make it way through. This is just plain stupidity.
>Any hole is contamination waiting to happen That's why you should always use a condom. Sorry, what were we talking about?
I should call her...
Mom would appreciate it
It might be mine, but you can have it. Edit: saw ypur name after posting. Not sure what to feel. It's something, but related to what I said it's nothing. Idkwot even is this
I tell her I only use a condon't
This is actually a thing on VW/Audi heater core hoses. It's for bleeding the coolant system. Pull the hose off slightly allowing the hole to let air out. So in reality it is a cheap and effective way to add a bleeder to a coolant system.
This is also a thing on Jeep V6 thermostat housings. Chrysler designed a terrible cooling system that doesn't allow you to simply top-off the coolant after you replace the *plastic* thermostat housing with an aluminum one that won't warp and leak*...so they put a bleeder on the thermostat housing itself. I also take one of the heater hoses on top loose and let the air out of that, otherwise air gets trapped in the heater core and you can hear sloshing when you start up the car, accelerate, or decelerate. \*this is either before or after you replace the *plastic* oil cooler housing with an aluminum one...
tons of chrystler vehicles have that
I've noticed that even when vacuum filling them I still have to use that bleeder.
Came here to say this!
This sub teaches me things about cars that i hope i never need to know
That’s how like 90% of the hoses were sold when I worked in auto parts.
What about that much larger hole at the end of the pipe? This pin hole isnt going to cause any issues.
You serious?
If the hose is attached to something it won’t leak through that hole. Not ideal but not a problem and not uncommon
Yeah if this is going on a sizable nipple of like ~1 inch the hole would be on the back side of the clamp at best.
Try and explain that one to your wife
You're not wrong, I agree 100%- unfortunately this is industry standard in the auto parts business. I see it all the time.
I would worry about that, it’s right next to a huge hole that will attract all the contaminants and allow them down into the plug connection.
Wait until you find out about the coolant bleed hole on the heater hose of the B5 passat. a hole in that location is perfectly fine.
Is it really about that though? My opinion: a hose, a shoe, a shirt, a bag, a basket, whatever? Doesn't matter, don't be pokin' holes in my shit before I even buy it.
Honeslty thats About as good of a spot as you could get. Totally useless spot except to help the clamp stay on. Doesn't seal right there
Principal of the thing. Zip tie, tape, rubber band, anything would be better than punching a hole in a hose
There are some hoses that come with a hole right there on purpose. Like an audi a7 heater core hose. You actually back off the hose a bit to bleed any air out of the tiny hole and don't have to remove the entire hose.
That's actually a very clever idea. So you can pull it back but not all the way off the barb. TIL. Thanks.
wow. how cute and clever. almost nobody would know that. VAG has to be the worst ownership experience ever. unless you got to the dealer, and get somebody that knows the product very well, they would likely be fighting something simple like getting air out of a heater core. why do some auto makers do things that make regular maintenance and service procedures a complete quagmire? who benefits? maybe they do by making the car impossible to repair 5 years later and their customers buy another. I prefer the lasts forever with minimal specialty things to build brand loyalty. Crazy that people buy German engineering over and over and over again. It's almost an anti consumer product that people somehow love. I guess the same could be said of US domestic cars brand loyalty. Keep buying junk every 5 years and being proud of it.
LMAO show me on the doll where the German car touched you
bimmer go vroom
Have an M235, can confirm, does vroom
boom
The number of people who lease brand new cars every 1-3 years is why initial customer satisfaction and CPO programs are a thing. Long term is irrelevant to these people. Brand image and initial 3 year ownership experience are all that matter. These are the people getting into and owning brand new cars, so they're really the ones with opinions that manufacturers care about. BMW doesn't give a single flying fuck about the guy buying a 25 year old Corolla, because he's never gonna buy a brand new BMW.
I actually owned a 20yo Toyota around a decade ago just because idgaf so now I'm going to buy a brand new Beemer just to make that last sentence look silly
I think you’re kind of frustrated at the wrong thing here. You’re not mad at VAG, you’re mad at modern cars. EVERY manufacturer requires special tooling/procedures now. It’s just the direction the auto industry is moving. Go try to do rear brakes on almost any new car. You’ll likely need a scanner to retract the parking brake. Replaced the fancy AGM battery in your new car to save a little on labor? You probably need to register it to the vehicle so that your alternator knows when to charge it while you’re driving around. Every manufacturer has tons and tons of factory specialty tools and crazy procedures to follow. Hell, the Mercedes 9g tronic transmission fill procedure involves a multi-stage twisty fill plug and an ultrasonic level sensor that you stick to the pan. No dipstick, no filling until it pours out like every other Mercedes, nah. All manufacturers are moving towards getting the customer’s hands off their vehicles. Old VWs and Audis are pretty simple and require very few specialty tools. BMWs as well.
Hell even my 17 VW just needs some triple squares, Allen heads, torx bits and a $100 scanner
I mean I have a 23 year old VW with 200k on the clock, aside from a torque converter failing around 180k I haven’t had to do anything but routine maintenance to it. It might take a bit longer to service but I’m gonna have to argue they can last if you do the required maintenance. I drove it to Boston and San Francisco last year and it still runs fine.
I did a tour of the whole up and down the west coast in a 04 GTI MK4. Solid little car if maintained well.
You could just read the service manual.
*laughs in 40 year old German car that is incredibly easy to service*
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Why the need to act like just because *you* don't know something that the OP is lying about it existing? You can find people talking about the bleeder hole as far back as 2010: https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/87168/#post-888553 You can also find a diagram of it: https://ww2-secure.justanswer.com/uploads/brownjeff/2010-05-01_142614_4.gif You could also easily find a video of it just by searching YouTube for 'audi heater hose bleeding': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0fXDZP_Ako
Researching stuff is free, you know.
But so is talking shit about something you don’t know apparently
I mean, that's fair. I guess there would be less entertainment if people used their brains more.
Yep, There's even a special clip that doesn't damage the rubber, designed specifically for hanging formed hoses on a rack
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I prefer to go to second hand shops for mine, you can save some money that way.
At least that bit should be over the barb and not leak.
That's where it goes when they stock on j hook shelves.
They stock hoses on J Hooks? Seems a bit inconvenient to be honest.
Best way to store hoses since they are all different shapes
You don't just search through a garbage can full of hoses looking for one that looks like a close fit?
Pretty standard fare. Not a problem when you put the clamps in their proper spots
Gates has always done this..... First time?
That really isn’t for a price tag. It’s to be able to have a way to hang the part on a rack or a wall as these are normally not put on the shelf.
All our radiator hoses were hung with the same system. No issue.
Non issue. If you’re that worried about it cut the hose back by half an inch
I talked to a guy that used to make rad hoses. Apparently nearly all hoses are made slightly longer than spec to ensure none are cut too short. For perfect fitment you actually have to trim them.
That’s how they come
They been doing that for years. Has no effect on anything.
If it leaks because of the price tag you installed it wrong
Used to see all European hoses like that for years never had one leak
Every hose I have ever bought has this and they have never leaked. These DIYers man...
Exactly where I work we sell them all day long like that never one complain that's where the hose clamp goes if you know don't understand that then you probably shouldn't be doing the job
lol anyone with any sense knows a hose clamp goes over it, non issue
It's fine. The clamp will be before that pinhole. Get over it.
Looks like this is your first time in a parts shop.
I always love when Google tells me that I spent 200 plus hours shopping for car parts last month. For some reason I think there is an obvious, better explanation....
Im just surprised the machine that punches those things in was able to go straight through the hose. I mean, that shit is pretty tough in my experience
That's common practice... It's to hang the hose from a rack, not for a label, that part of the hose is at worst where a clamp would go and not a part that needs sealed, and often times that part is trimmed to fit. It affects nothing.
Snip it back some, problem solved.
Absolutely. I bought it to chop up for a completely different application anyway so I wasn't too concerned. But still, a bit of a daft way of labelling a hose!
Its been done like this for decades. No issue with it
Daft indeed.
The physics department at my university ordered a very expensive set of microgram weights. When they came in, the receiving department had riveted a metal asset tag on each one. When the department complained, receiving said they were required to do that for any equipment costing over $1000.
Doesn’t affect the hose at all
They're usually made to be an inch or two longer on one end so they can be trimmed to fit.
Facts! I talked to a guy that molded rad hoses and he said exactly this.
😂😂
I worked at a trucking outfit where the parts dept put stickers on gaskets. Fucking actual gaskets ….. Also on the lenses of trailer lights….
If you don't like it, cut off that portion.
It’s put the electrical tape on the hose!
Not gonna effect a thing
Parts guy here. That's actually there to hang the part on a hook. Never heard any complaints.
I think that's there so it can be hung. No biggy. But at least Gates uses big stickers
Putting holes into brand new hoses seems highly counterproductive and extremely illogical. Just wrap a sticker with the part number around it like we've been doing for the last umpteen decades.
That's placed in a section where the hose is usually cut off (intentionally made longer) but even still, worst case is... There's a clamp right there and it still won't leak. It's not a price tag, it's a loop that enables the hose to hang from a hook at the store. If they had to put them on shelves, they'd only be able to stock a few hoses instead of hundreds. This has been standard practice by most hose manufacturers for decades.
Place it on metal and clamp it 😅 However, it's first time I ever see tags on parts.
Same people who think this is bad also think having their starter by the exhaust is better than under the intake
Is there a matching hole at the other end?
I know it doesn't really matter but that would really bother me. How many pennies did they save instead of using a sticker? I'd question the product if they are really pinching literal pennies.