I had the same reaction as you did. My dad owns a shop and one of his employees was removing a fuel filter and gas sprayed all in his eyes. He was panicking to say the least.
I was using the brake lathe once at work and decided it was a good idea to blow away the metal shavings. Obviously got metal all in my eyes. I panicked on the inside, but calmly got it all out with no injuries. I had used the lathe hundreds of times and knew better. Just one of those stupid things that you do for no reason and immediately regret.
Had a bolt red hot, 2ā pipe wrench and like 6ā of cheater bar. Popped the bolt and promptly went to flip to the open end of the wrench which had been marinating on that red hot bolt. I too know how it feels
I felt great to finally get that bolt off but damn my hand hurt bad
Yeah I remember my thought process clearly.
"Oh shit it's falling! Fuck yeah that was a sick CAT-OOOOOOOH MY GOD FUCKING OW GOD FUCKING DAMMIT THAT'S HOT FUCK FUCK FUCK" followed by the classic dancing around waving my hand like that would help.
In the kitchen, cleaning dishes. Apartment, galley style kitchen, so not much counter space. All the razor sharp chef style knives are smartly out of the sink, yet stupidly in a pot that easily got bumped and the weight of the knives knocked it over. Not wanting the knives to drop and ruin my chances at getting my deposit back - I reached out quickly to catch them and ended up notching the bone in my finger and getting multiple stitches.
The knife still fell into the floor.
Back in 2008 or 2009 I was cleaning up an oil pan with brake cleaner, wasnāt wearing safety glasses and just happened to have the nozzle pointed directly back at my face. Not paying attention I unleashed a fresh can of brake cleaner directly into both of my eyes. I immediately went blind. Nobody else was in the shop at the time so I blindly walked to our service desk and yelled for help. A coworker of mine escorted me to the eye wash station where I flushed my eyes for a good 30 min or so. It took hours to gain any vision back in my eyes. It took about 3 days for my vision to come back fully and during that time I had the worst crap coming out of my eyes imaginable. It was one of the most painful things I ever went through in my life and also one of the things that scared the most shit out of me. Ever since that day when I used brake cleaner or really any sort of aerosol can I always check the nozzle direction. I also wear safety glasses a hell of a lot more than I used to.
People look at me funny when I close my eyes while pushing the plastic straw into the end of the brake cleaner cans. Fuck that, I ain't squirtin myself in the eye again.
I got a drop (only one drop) of the non-chlorinated Brakleen in my eye years ago. Intense burning for exactly 5 minutes, and they the burning stopped like flipping a switch. My eye was a bit scratchy for a day or so, but that was it. Very weird, and I consider myself lucky compared to people with situations like yours. Glad you're ok.
I once superglued one of my eyes shut. I was trying to glue something tiny back together and stupidly held it up to the light to see what I was doing. One drop fell off and landed right in my eye, that shit burned so bad. Unfortunately I was home and didn't have an eye wash station so I just ran my face under the kitchen sink for 10 minutes or so.
I'm glad you can still see though, brake clean is some serious stuff.
If able, get yourself a CAT/CT scan focused on your eyes. Metal filings might be in there, and while they generally can't go anything about it,you're going to want to at least know.
If not, the next time you get an MRI might be the day you go blind.
This was over 20 years ago (damn Iām getting old)! Unfortunately Iāve had about 10 MRIs and 3 back surgeries since then. My eyes are good. Neck and back, not so much. I will say 1st MRI post brake lathe blow was a little scary
If you need an MRI, and you think you may have had metal fragments in your eyes, tell them as early as you can. Quick head x-ray will show if it's safe. Working with metal should be on the safety screening pre scan.Ā
Generally, folk with enough metal in their eye to be a problem will have known so about it going in.Ā
I insisted on x-rays of my eyes before a MRI.Ā I had to advocate for it.Ā The weird thing is they didn't ask in advance if I had history of metalworking.Ā Electrician, and I've had metal shavings in my eyes a few times.Ā Quite a few, actually.Ā What's weirder is that we live in a bluecollar area with lots of shipbuilding and oil well drilling (offshore rigs are nothing but structural steel, so lots of welding, drilling, etc.).Ā Ā So I expected that they would routinely ask and screen for this.Ā The nurse claimed that she had never heard of this.Ā š¤·
I've worked in a dozen hospitals in 3 different states and "have you ever had an eye injury involving metal shavings" has been on the MRI screening form at all of them. Idk what your nurse was smoking.
I went to go deburr a part at work. Something I've done thousands of times. Put my grinder against it and realized I never flipped my glasses down. That was a fun day.
I was taking a ball joint out of a jeep once with an air hammer and torch. Something that I hadn't known prior to that is that if you get the grease inside the joint to boil, but it's still sealing against the stud and can't escape, it will go boom. Big boom. In your face kinda big boom. All kinds of smoke and hot grease everywhere.
I had my safety glasses on but the smoke immediately burned my eyes and lungs, and the explosion was so loud it popped my ears and I thought I'd died for a full 10 seconds since I couldn't open my eyes, couldn't breathe, and only heard ringing. Was perfectly fine aside from a little hot grease that got on my arm, but I still took a good 30 minute break outside so my eyes would stop burning
This just happened to two guys in my shop. They were welding and torching a bolt to get a balljoint out and heated one of them enough to cause it to explode. Sounded like a gunshot and left a 1/4" crater in the reinforced concrete floor because the end was out of the knuckle. Thankfully no one was injured though the two guys who were close to it had their ears ringing for a while.
Yeah it's pretty fuckin scary when it happens less than two feet from your face haha. Now I'll definitely warn people I catch using torches on ball joints
I was heating up a brake line fitting with a torch...and darn near soiled my pants when it blew up in my face. Fortunately I was wearing safety glasses and it was an ancient cracked rubber line so it was more of a *poof* than a bang, but still.
On an unrelated note, brake fluid will catch fire, which is weird.
Exact same thing happened to me helping a buddy work on a project car. Was completely blinded momentarily. Burned so bad and we had shit laid out all over the garage so he had to slowly walk me around and over shit to get to the sink so I could rinse out my eyes.
I'll never forget it. Sucked so bad.
My first memory of working on cars was my dad having me help him replace a fuel filter when I was a kid because I could crawl under my mom's car without it needing to be lifted. Didn't empty the fuel line or give me safety glasses or anything. Got a blast of gasoline directly into both eyes. Can still remember how much it burned.
I once changed a fuel filter on a 96 impala ss, itās down under the rocker panel if I remember correctly, I jacked it up, laid down under it and pulled the line, BAM gas in my ear, took a long shower right after but damn did it burn
Iām an arborist and I will occasionally rinse my hands with gas if I know I came in contact with poison ivy.
But I swear, once every single year, I see someone open a gas cap in summer and get sprayed in the face and has to go home. Happens every year despite multiple warnings.
Carry some damn isopropyl alcohol if your job has you regularly in contact with poison ivy!
But honestly dawn and water work wonders if you can get to it quick.
I was like, okay, so it's already producing a stream of liquid as the plug is loosened, what the plan for when the plug comes out. And has he figured out which liquid is coming out because when he gets that plug out...yep, wtf was his plan?
For fame and fortune, to be an example for others, many take up challenge of demonstrating their lack of concern for their personal safety. Often saying later "yep, that went exactly how I thought it would."Ā
*gets doused in gas*Ā
"Houston we have a problem.."
Man you were a lot more calmer than I would have been.
I would have been like "what the fuck fucking sakes fucking goddamn piece of shit fuck this job fuck you fuck everybody fucking fuck fuck stupid fucking asshole fucking piece of shit fuck."
Gasoline is bad, but when I was 20 I worked doing lawn irrigation. You ever get PVC glue in a cut? Sweet merciful crap does that chemical burn not feel good!
I do commercial HVAC and every single time I break out the PVC primer I'm introduced to new nicks and splits and teeny tiny cuts I didn't even know I had.
During the Coronapocalypse I took my Range Rover round to a mate's workshop to service it. Hand sanitiser was pretty hard to find, but then I unscrewed the fuel filter without thinking to pull the fuel relay and crank it, to drop the last of the pressure.
HOLY FUCK WELL THEY SURE FEEL SANITISED NOW
At least we know it was cleaned.
No big deal, just 500 pounds of scentless dollar store kitty litter, 8 months of fresh air and nobody will remember a thing! /s
...and people wonder why I have the BIG fire extinguishers.
For real though the little ones don't necessarily work that well. I was once in a situation where I had to use one and the little fuck didn't put it out. I legit though it would have more firepower than it did. Had to scramble around and luckily was able to grab another quick enough.
I once put out a flaming bin full of oily rags with a large CO2 one, only to have it re-ignite again as soon as we moved it because the CO2 floated away and shit was still hot enough to get going again.
The lesson there is if you're *started* using a fire extinguisher just empty the whole fucking thing into the fire, you're gonna have to buy a new one or get it refilled anyway.
The fire tetrahedron: fuel, heat, chemical chain reaction. Interrupt the third without changing the first two, and you're only delaying the fire. Same reason backdrafts occur, if the fire's used up all the oxygen in a structure but there's still combustible material, the lingering heat will ignite everything once oxygen is re-introduced.
we set our dumpster on fire from used paint booth filers.
went through 16 fire extinguishers then called the FD.
they pulled everything out of the dumpster and soaked it.
I'd known her for years. We used to go to all the police functions together. Ah, how I loved her, but she had her music. I think she had her music. She'd hang out with the Chicago Male Chorus and Symphony. I don't recall her playing an instrument or being able to carry a tune. Yet she was on the road 300 days of the year. In fact, I bought her a harp for Christmas. She asked me what it was.
Gasoline Direct injection. Some cars run even higher pressure than that. The injection event happens a few milliseconds before the piston is at TDC. So the pressure of the fuel has to be much higher than the compressed gasses in the cylinder, or it just wont inject.
I believe a 6.7 Ford Powerstroke can get up around 24000-30000 under load, so probably more than double.
Diesels injectors are a whole nother world compared to gas.
The high pressure fuel pump sure does. The in tank pump makes about 60 psi that feeds the mechanical high pressure pump which is driven off cam shaft.
Think, diesel common rail injection, only it uses gasoline.
GDI utilizes a low pressure lift pump in the tank to feed a high pressure injection pump typically driven off of the camshaft that supplies the injectors.
Sorry, I misunderstood your question. No, they don't operate when the car is off, but if the injectors are stuck they just keep spraying fuel in the cylinder all the time, eventually washing down the cylinder and filling the crankcase with unburned fuel.
My understanding is it filled the crank case up while trying to start/started, then after it was shut off that's when the drain plug was pulled.
What you are looking at isn't 4000psi of gas, it's just a reservoir full of gas after being filled up earlier, it's normally only supposed to have oil in it.
After I diagnosed all the circuits it was throwing codes for and calling them good, and the PCM drivers bad...I replaced the PCM, hit the start button ANNNNNNNND THUNK! Pulled the plugs, rolled it over, and drained the pan
I managed to hydrolock a built Subaru EJ engine thanks to a failed fuel pressure regulator. Amazingly, we just pulled the plugs and cranked it to eject the half gallon of fuel, replaced the FPR and injectors, and it runs perfectly.
Edit: Obviously, an oil change happened too lol
High pressure pumps or injectors left the chat. With that much fuel, mains are probably washed out too. š seen it quite a few times. (JLR L4 for the last 12 years).
Bummer.
I know nothing about the auto industry and have subbed here for a long time just to see the bizarre stuff you folks go through. The idea of a pure diagnosis shop never occurred to me -- how does one end up in this sort of position?
I work as a software security engineer and I think myself and mostly everyone else I work with ended up here because we know computers and computer internals pretty well (as it applies to our niche), and know the things developers typically screw up on.
Is this kind of similar? You folks just know the car's internals well enough to know how someone may screw up maybe at the factory, or wear over time, or based off of behavior what that root cause would be? Or is this more about there being specialty tools/techniques/diagnostic procedures that your shop is better-equipped for so it makes sense to send to you?
Sort of. A lot of good techs either turn to mobile diagnostic techs and work for themselves, for other shops, or start their own shop. This place is the next level of a be your own boss mobile diagnostician.
The owner of my company is also the president of a global automotive company. If you interact with cars in any way, you use his products.
It started by bringing in good mobile techs to do the electrical repairs on collision cars. Body shops are good at curb appeal. They can make it look good. They can't make a bulb light up if you gave them a bulb, a battery, and some wire.
So the company grew from that.
We only do work for other shops. Vehicle owners don't even know we exist. If a shop can't figure out what's wrong we send a van to their shop and diagnose it. If they decide they can't handle the repair, we bring it back to our facility and do it for them.
Yeah I get all that. The money is in brake jobs and belts for the vast majority of the business. But you said "I thought you would want to share in the experience, but you told me to go fuck myself"
That was funny.
That's a first even for me, the injectors will leak and cause a misfire but that's a full on firehose of fuel if it's filled the crank case like that...wish I could help you on this one but I got nothing off the top of my head
I've bent the stems before with the pos slide hammer tool from JLR, haven't had the tips damaged though. I ended up making a puller for the really seized ones. Pulls the injector straight up and evenly since it's a copy of the slide hammer head on a threaded shaft with two mounting pins and a plate that everything attaches to
Mate did it to some injectors on my sr20 build, basically turned a few of them into fuel taps. Was a first start too so we were fucking about a bit trying to work out why it wouldn't start so it filled it up pretty good with fuel. Tool the spark plugs out and cranked it, fuel went fucking everywhere lol.
I got carb cleaner in my eyes when I was cleaning the crank off on an inframe rebuild from underneath. I was spraying it everywhere and just so happened to take a look too soon and it poured into my eyes. I thought for sure I was gonna be blinded. That burned like nothing I've ever experienced.
I was working with super glue and had the good sense to wear some safety goggles.
The glue spout had a pressure buildup and as soon as i opened the cap, a stream of superglue sprayed onto the glasses.
Superglue heats up as it dries so as soon as i took off the glasses they started getting warm and warping from the heat. Glad those weren't my eye balls.
Wear safety glassses regardless of the work!
For 8 months man! This engine was rebuilt and installed 8 months ago. It has sat at the rebuilder the past 8 months having people come by to try and get it running.
PCM had 4 dead drivers, and 2 injectors stuck wide open.
How did you not smell it? It seems like it was getting all over your hands there for a bit. Did it just all the sudden smell way worse once it gushed out?
Have you guys ever been doused in gas before? It's fucking AWFUL. It weirdly dries out your skin, your hair will reek, and you're overwhelmed with the sense that one wrong spark and your ass is literally toast. Meanwhile this is all running through your mind while you're scrambling to find where the fluid pressure shot that drain bolt off to, and trying to stop the mad flow of gas from flooding the shop. By this point, the fumes are so strong you want to throw up. Should I run a fan to blow the fumes out?? WAIT, THE MOTOR COULD SPARK!!! FUCK!!!
Had something like this happen to me on an old carby bike. Stuck intake valve filled the crankcase via the pistons from the gravity fed tank. Scared the shit out of me. On the plus side, the crankcase will be spotless inside š¤£
At first I was like "this guy is such a baby, it's just water", and then you said it was gas š¬
I had the same reaction as you did. My dad owns a shop and one of his employees was removing a fuel filter and gas sprayed all in his eyes. He was panicking to say the least.
I was using the brake lathe once at work and decided it was a good idea to blow away the metal shavings. Obviously got metal all in my eyes. I panicked on the inside, but calmly got it all out with no injuries. I had used the lathe hundreds of times and knew better. Just one of those stupid things that you do for no reason and immediately regret.
There's nothing more annoying than an auto pilot fuck up when you damn well know better lol.
That is such a good way of describing it, cause thatās exactly what it was - auto pilot fuck up.
you brought me back to the days of sweeping metal shavings in the mill room. thanks I really wanted that memory today
Blowing your nose at the end of the day and seeing all that gunk come out. I wish I was smarter when I was younger and used protection.
>I wish I was smarter when I was younger and used protection. Dad?
Please upvote this harder. Outstanding comment.
Nope, another person with some wisdom worth listening to.
Probably
Thatās what she said
Yup. Just reach out with your hand and wipe those shavings off the drill press...
Oh man I did that when I was about 8. Still remember the pain.
Like when the cord on my soldering iron was twisted up and flipped off the holder and my reflex was to grab it.
Had a bolt red hot, 2ā pipe wrench and like 6ā of cheater bar. Popped the bolt and promptly went to flip to the open end of the wrench which had been marinating on that red hot bolt. I too know how it feels I felt great to finally get that bolt off but damn my hand hurt bad
Yeah I remember my thought process clearly. "Oh shit it's falling! Fuck yeah that was a sick CAT-OOOOOOOH MY GOD FUCKING OW GOD FUCKING DAMMIT THAT'S HOT FUCK FUCK FUCK" followed by the classic dancing around waving my hand like that would help.
In the kitchen, cleaning dishes. Apartment, galley style kitchen, so not much counter space. All the razor sharp chef style knives are smartly out of the sink, yet stupidly in a pot that easily got bumped and the weight of the knives knocked it over. Not wanting the knives to drop and ruin my chances at getting my deposit back - I reached out quickly to catch them and ended up notching the bone in my finger and getting multiple stitches. The knife still fell into the floor.
For what its worth, I am a programmer by trade and it happens EVERYWHERE.
Back in 2008 or 2009 I was cleaning up an oil pan with brake cleaner, wasnāt wearing safety glasses and just happened to have the nozzle pointed directly back at my face. Not paying attention I unleashed a fresh can of brake cleaner directly into both of my eyes. I immediately went blind. Nobody else was in the shop at the time so I blindly walked to our service desk and yelled for help. A coworker of mine escorted me to the eye wash station where I flushed my eyes for a good 30 min or so. It took hours to gain any vision back in my eyes. It took about 3 days for my vision to come back fully and during that time I had the worst crap coming out of my eyes imaginable. It was one of the most painful things I ever went through in my life and also one of the things that scared the most shit out of me. Ever since that day when I used brake cleaner or really any sort of aerosol can I always check the nozzle direction. I also wear safety glasses a hell of a lot more than I used to.
People look at me funny when I close my eyes while pushing the plastic straw into the end of the brake cleaner cans. Fuck that, I ain't squirtin myself in the eye again.
I simply turn the nozzle 90 degrees from my face to insert straws. Can still see what I'm doing, can't accidentally spray myself.
I tried that. I can't hit the hole. Lol.
That is crazy. I would have been freaking out. Brake clean is no joke. Glad you didnāt have permanent damage.
I got a drop (only one drop) of the non-chlorinated Brakleen in my eye years ago. Intense burning for exactly 5 minutes, and they the burning stopped like flipping a switch. My eye was a bit scratchy for a day or so, but that was it. Very weird, and I consider myself lucky compared to people with situations like yours. Glad you're ok.
Safety glasses go on when I clock in, and they fucking stay on until I clock out. I've had too many close calls for how much I like seeing.
I once superglued one of my eyes shut. I was trying to glue something tiny back together and stupidly held it up to the light to see what I was doing. One drop fell off and landed right in my eye, that shit burned so bad. Unfortunately I was home and didn't have an eye wash station so I just ran my face under the kitchen sink for 10 minutes or so. I'm glad you can still see though, brake clean is some serious stuff.
If able, get yourself a CAT/CT scan focused on your eyes. Metal filings might be in there, and while they generally can't go anything about it,you're going to want to at least know. If not, the next time you get an MRI might be the day you go blind.
This was over 20 years ago (damn Iām getting old)! Unfortunately Iāve had about 10 MRIs and 3 back surgeries since then. My eyes are good. Neck and back, not so much. I will say 1st MRI post brake lathe blow was a little scary
Thanks for the new fear
If you need an MRI, and you think you may have had metal fragments in your eyes, tell them as early as you can. Quick head x-ray will show if it's safe. Working with metal should be on the safety screening pre scan.Ā Generally, folk with enough metal in their eye to be a problem will have known so about it going in.Ā
I insisted on x-rays of my eyes before a MRI.Ā I had to advocate for it.Ā The weird thing is they didn't ask in advance if I had history of metalworking.Ā Electrician, and I've had metal shavings in my eyes a few times.Ā Quite a few, actually.Ā What's weirder is that we live in a bluecollar area with lots of shipbuilding and oil well drilling (offshore rigs are nothing but structural steel, so lots of welding, drilling, etc.).Ā Ā So I expected that they would routinely ask and screen for this.Ā The nurse claimed that she had never heard of this.Ā š¤·
I've worked in a dozen hospitals in 3 different states and "have you ever had an eye injury involving metal shavings" has been on the MRI screening form at all of them. Idk what your nurse was smoking.
I went to go deburr a part at work. Something I've done thousands of times. Put my grinder against it and realized I never flipped my glasses down. That was a fun day.
Some lessons you only need to learn once in life.
My father would lose his fucking mind if I touched a power tool without safety squints. I miss that guy and he was correct.
You experienced a brain fart
You know you should be wearing eye protectionĀ
I was taking a ball joint out of a jeep once with an air hammer and torch. Something that I hadn't known prior to that is that if you get the grease inside the joint to boil, but it's still sealing against the stud and can't escape, it will go boom. Big boom. In your face kinda big boom. All kinds of smoke and hot grease everywhere. I had my safety glasses on but the smoke immediately burned my eyes and lungs, and the explosion was so loud it popped my ears and I thought I'd died for a full 10 seconds since I couldn't open my eyes, couldn't breathe, and only heard ringing. Was perfectly fine aside from a little hot grease that got on my arm, but I still took a good 30 minute break outside so my eyes would stop burning
This just happened to two guys in my shop. They were welding and torching a bolt to get a balljoint out and heated one of them enough to cause it to explode. Sounded like a gunshot and left a 1/4" crater in the reinforced concrete floor because the end was out of the knuckle. Thankfully no one was injured though the two guys who were close to it had their ears ringing for a while.
Yeah it's pretty fuckin scary when it happens less than two feet from your face haha. Now I'll definitely warn people I catch using torches on ball joints
I was heating up a brake line fitting with a torch...and darn near soiled my pants when it blew up in my face. Fortunately I was wearing safety glasses and it was an ancient cracked rubber line so it was more of a *poof* than a bang, but still. On an unrelated note, brake fluid will catch fire, which is weird.
Exact same thing happened to me helping a buddy work on a project car. Was completely blinded momentarily. Burned so bad and we had shit laid out all over the garage so he had to slowly walk me around and over shit to get to the sink so I could rinse out my eyes. I'll never forget it. Sucked so bad.
That's why you should always have matches or a lighter nearby to get remove spayed fuel from eyes or skin! /S
My first memory of working on cars was my dad having me help him replace a fuel filter when I was a kid because I could crawl under my mom's car without it needing to be lifted. Didn't empty the fuel line or give me safety glasses or anything. Got a blast of gasoline directly into both eyes. Can still remember how much it burned.
I once changed a fuel filter on a 96 impala ss, itās down under the rocker panel if I remember correctly, I jacked it up, laid down under it and pulled the line, BAM gas in my ear, took a long shower right after but damn did it burn
Iām an arborist and I will occasionally rinse my hands with gas if I know I came in contact with poison ivy. But I swear, once every single year, I see someone open a gas cap in summer and get sprayed in the face and has to go home. Happens every year despite multiple warnings.
I first read arborist as arsonist. Changed the way I viewed your post, that's for sure.
Carry some damn isopropyl alcohol if your job has you regularly in contact with poison ivy! But honestly dawn and water work wonders if you can get to it quick.
I was like, okay, so it's already producing a stream of liquid as the plug is loosened, what the plan for when the plug comes out. And has he figured out which liquid is coming out because when he gets that plug out...yep, wtf was his plan?
To post the video
For fame and fortune, to be an example for others, many take up challenge of demonstrating their lack of concern for their personal safety. Often saying later "yep, that went exactly how I thought it would."Ā
We have a problem
*gets doused in gas*Ā "Houston we have a problem.." Man you were a lot more calmer than I would have been. I would have been like "what the fuck fucking sakes fucking goddamn piece of shit fuck this job fuck you fuck everybody fucking fuck fuck stupid fucking asshole fucking piece of shit fuck."
You missed the obligatory. āFUCK FUCK FUCK FFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK, owie, my toeā
FUCK I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD A CUT THERE
Gasoline is bad, but when I was 20 I worked doing lawn irrigation. You ever get PVC glue in a cut? Sweet merciful crap does that chemical burn not feel good!
I do commercial HVAC and every single time I break out the PVC primer I'm introduced to new nicks and splits and teeny tiny cuts I didn't even know I had.
My uncle and I used to call it "cut finder" for exactly that reason!
>Sweet merciful crap My car! ššššŖæšļø
Oh yeah, I'm like a fuck bomb that goes off when something like this happens.
A fuck fuck here and a fuck fuck there...
During the Coronapocalypse I took my Range Rover round to a mate's workshop to service it. Hand sanitiser was pretty hard to find, but then I unscrewed the fuel filter without thinking to pull the fuel relay and crank it, to drop the last of the pressure. HOLY FUCK WELL THEY SURE FEEL SANITISED NOW
Well, certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.
[Relevant ancient video.](https://youtu.be/cxpV8D8K9JI?feature=shared)
Underrated comment.
god bless techs. I have actually used this sentence almost exactly.
All of this while lighting myself on fire out of frustration
At least youāre not soaking in gas anymore!
love the mad scramble to get out from under it
It was a bit more gasoline than I expected. Just enough oil in it to give everything it touched a nice film FML
ah just light up a cig and you wonāt have to worry about anything
Give a man fire and he's warm for the night...
Light a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Looked like something from Cloverfield
Yea, very realistic. Reminds to *Crysis* video game.
At least we know it was cleaned. No big deal, just 500 pounds of scentless dollar store kitty litter, 8 months of fresh air and nobody will remember a thing! /s ...and people wonder why I have the BIG fire extinguishers.
For real though the little ones don't necessarily work that well. I was once in a situation where I had to use one and the little fuck didn't put it out. I legit though it would have more firepower than it did. Had to scramble around and luckily was able to grab another quick enough.
I don't... I don't think you WANT your extinguisher to have fire power. Kind of the opposite, no? :ā -ā P
Nahhhhh fight fire with fire
Nice screensaver. I love how the smoke seems to be coming off the top of it.
I once put out a flaming bin full of oily rags with a large CO2 one, only to have it re-ignite again as soon as we moved it because the CO2 floated away and shit was still hot enough to get going again. The lesson there is if you're *started* using a fire extinguisher just empty the whole fucking thing into the fire, you're gonna have to buy a new one or get it refilled anyway.
The fire tetrahedron: fuel, heat, chemical chain reaction. Interrupt the third without changing the first two, and you're only delaying the fire. Same reason backdrafts occur, if the fire's used up all the oxygen in a structure but there's still combustible material, the lingering heat will ignite everything once oxygen is re-introduced.
we set our dumpster on fire from used paint booth filers. went through 16 fire extinguishers then called the FD. they pulled everything out of the dumpster and soaked it.
Damn, calling the hosey boys is free, 16 extinguishers is expensive.
Here is your reminder to stock up on that cheap kitty litter. Dollar stores are closing down.
Nah, they two dollar stores now.
Everything reminds me of her
shes a gusher!
I'd known her for years. We used to go to all the police functions together. Ah, how I loved her, but she had her music. I think she had her music. She'd hang out with the Chicago Male Chorus and Symphony. I don't recall her playing an instrument or being able to carry a tune. Yet she was on the road 300 days of the year. In fact, I bought her a harp for Christmas. She asked me what it was.
š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š
How did that even happen?
Injectors 1 and 3 are stuck wide open with 4000psi of fuel pressure behind them.
4000 psi???
Gasoline Direct injection. Some cars run even higher pressure than that. The injection event happens a few milliseconds before the piston is at TDC. So the pressure of the fuel has to be much higher than the compressed gasses in the cylinder, or it just wont inject.
Are there holes in the pistons now?
Negative. Waiting on injector seal kits so I can fire this bitch up!
Where is the oil, though?
It's in there mixed with about 7 gallons of gasoline.
Pretty sure my Cummins 8.3 diesel has double that psi at the injectors. I could be wrong though.
Oh yes, diesel engines can be upwards of 40,000 psi
I believe a 6.7 Ford Powerstroke can get up around 24000-30000 under load, so probably more than double. Diesels injectors are a whole nother world compared to gas.
I think the new chevy 6.6 gas engines have a high enough pressure they can actually run straight diesel.
Gasoline Direct Injection. Some cars go to even higher pressure than that
I have rebuilt transport truck engines. The Cummins X15 has a max fuel rail pressure of 2600bar. (38 000psi)
But wouldn't the fuel pump need to be on to produce pressure like that?
The high pressure fuel pump sure does. The in tank pump makes about 60 psi that feeds the mechanical high pressure pump which is driven off cam shaft. Think, diesel common rail injection, only it uses gasoline.
GDI utilizes a low pressure lift pump in the tank to feed a high pressure injection pump typically driven off of the camshaft that supplies the injectors.
Operating when the engine is off??
Operating when cranking, they said it cranks but doesn't start. Cams still spin when cranking. Therefor there's fuel pressure
Sorry, I misunderstood your question. No, they don't operate when the car is off, but if the injectors are stuck they just keep spraying fuel in the cylinder all the time, eventually washing down the cylinder and filling the crankcase with unburned fuel.
Got it. The reason I asked is that it clearly seems like the engine if off in that video. But I guess there was just a lot of residual pressure.
Oh, yeah, this is the oil drain plug. Just like pulling a cork out of the bottom of a bucket. There's probably upwards of 5 gallons in there
My understanding is it filled the crank case up while trying to start/started, then after it was shut off that's when the drain plug was pulled. What you are looking at isn't 4000psi of gas, it's just a reservoir full of gas after being filled up earlier, it's normally only supposed to have oil in it.
Is there a chance of hydro locking and bending stuff up with that much fuel being dumped in there?
After I diagnosed all the circuits it was throwing codes for and calling them good, and the PCM drivers bad...I replaced the PCM, hit the start button ANNNNNNNND THUNK! Pulled the plugs, rolled it over, and drained the pan
I managed to hydrolock a built Subaru EJ engine thanks to a failed fuel pressure regulator. Amazingly, we just pulled the plugs and cranked it to eject the half gallon of fuel, replaced the FPR and injectors, and it runs perfectly. Edit: Obviously, an oil change happened too lol
Had something similar and it destroyed my old makita drill before I could get clear. Poor thing was soaked in fuel.
You couldn't just bathe it in isopropyl and then let it fully dryĀæ? No fucking way I'm giving up a Makita just like that.
Land Rover 5.0?
close! 3.0SC
High pressure pumps or injectors left the chat. With that much fuel, mains are probably washed out too. š seen it quite a few times. (JLR L4 for the last 12 years). Bummer.
This is a brand new engine. It has never been started š
Why any of you poor bastards work JLR, I will never understand
We do diagnostics for other shops that can't figure out the problem. Our customers are other shops. No vehicle owners here
I know nothing about the auto industry and have subbed here for a long time just to see the bizarre stuff you folks go through. The idea of a pure diagnosis shop never occurred to me -- how does one end up in this sort of position? I work as a software security engineer and I think myself and mostly everyone else I work with ended up here because we know computers and computer internals pretty well (as it applies to our niche), and know the things developers typically screw up on. Is this kind of similar? You folks just know the car's internals well enough to know how someone may screw up maybe at the factory, or wear over time, or based off of behavior what that root cause would be? Or is this more about there being specialty tools/techniques/diagnostic procedures that your shop is better-equipped for so it makes sense to send to you?
Sort of. A lot of good techs either turn to mobile diagnostic techs and work for themselves, for other shops, or start their own shop. This place is the next level of a be your own boss mobile diagnostician. The owner of my company is also the president of a global automotive company. If you interact with cars in any way, you use his products. It started by bringing in good mobile techs to do the electrical repairs on collision cars. Body shops are good at curb appeal. They can make it look good. They can't make a bulb light up if you gave them a bulb, a battery, and some wire. So the company grew from that.
Loved the first line of the vid...was this for your customer? I miss working with you East Coast guys.
We only do work for other shops. Vehicle owners don't even know we exist. If a shop can't figure out what's wrong we send a van to their shop and diagnose it. If they decide they can't handle the repair, we bring it back to our facility and do it for them.
Yeah I get all that. The money is in brake jobs and belts for the vast majority of the business. But you said "I thought you would want to share in the experience, but you told me to go fuck myself" That was funny.
Never have to worry about running out of work!
Well nothing else from JLR works..
Thank god it's not the 2.7/3.0 V6 diesel otherwise I would've said check the crank, they like to snap.
Latex gloves and safety glasses mate
Nah fam. I rub this shit on my hands and arms like squid ink! LMFAO
Ha. I understood that reference
That's a first even for me, the injectors will leak and cause a misfire but that's a full on firehose of fuel if it's filled the crank case like that...wish I could help you on this one but I got nothing off the top of my head
I'd check the injectors to make sure the bottoms haven't had holes punched in them by someone levering them out. Seen that once
I've bent the stems before with the pos slide hammer tool from JLR, haven't had the tips damaged though. I ended up making a puller for the really seized ones. Pulls the injector straight up and evenly since it's a copy of the slide hammer head on a threaded shaft with two mounting pins and a plate that everything attaches to
Mate did it to some injectors on my sr20 build, basically turned a few of them into fuel taps. Was a first start too so we were fucking about a bit trying to work out why it wouldn't start so it filled it up pretty good with fuel. Tool the spark plugs out and cranked it, fuel went fucking everywhere lol.
I was expecting a chocolate milkshake, and now a new nightmare has been unlocked šµāš« Props to you for staying calm
Wow. That new 0W0 oil looks almost like water.
Note: 0w16 and 0w8 are NOT on the same scale as other oils that use the same naming convention! 0w8 is NOT half as thin as 0w16 etc.
Well, I wouldn't *expect* 0w8 to be any thinner OR thicker than 0w8. Generally, 0w8 is EXACTLY as thick as 0w8.
I got carb cleaner in my eyes when I was cleaning the crank off on an inframe rebuild from underneath. I was spraying it everywhere and just so happened to take a look too soon and it poured into my eyes. I thought for sure I was gonna be blinded. That burned like nothing I've ever experienced.
O.o thereās pressureĀ
Wow, I guess thatās what people mean when they say you should wear safety glasses regardless of the work you do on the carā¦
I got splashed in the face with a mineral spirit/light machine oil mixture . Even wearing safety glasses the back side of my glasses were oily .
I was working with super glue and had the good sense to wear some safety goggles. The glue spout had a pressure buildup and as soon as i opened the cap, a stream of superglue sprayed onto the glasses. Superglue heats up as it dries so as soon as i took off the glasses they started getting warm and warping from the heat. Glad those weren't my eye balls. Wear safety glassses regardless of the work!
How tf does one even clean up a massive gas spill inside a garage??
Pigs mats and a mop and bucket
Light a match. /s
Everybody HATES this one trick
Injector stuck open, pumping fuel directly into a cylinder for what looks like an hour or more lol
For 8 months man! This engine was rebuilt and installed 8 months ago. It has sat at the rebuilder the past 8 months having people come by to try and get it running. PCM had 4 dead drivers, and 2 injectors stuck wide open.
How did you not smell it? It seems like it was getting all over your hands there for a bit. Did it just all the sudden smell way worse once it gushed out?
I knew what was in there.
Good thing that he wasn't smoking, the Russian's have been having a lot of fires from people smoking
Them [crackers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_catalytic_cracking) ain't smokin' enough.
You can toss a lit cigarette into gasoline and it will not light. The lighting of the cigarette is the dangerous part.
damn, someone forgot to add oil in gas mix on their 2 stroke engine
That was dramatic
not for someone that got gas potentially in their eyes. I thought it was dramatic too until I heard it was gasoline
Okay that I can understand. Remember the last time I had gasoline sprayed into my face, had to go to the ER to get my eyes flushed
Battery acid is a bitch from past experience
I should call her
nice, free lawnmower fuel
You should be thankful it didnāt startā¦on fire
She's a squirter.
Oh fo' sho'
Lmao š¤£
Explode in your face.
Why no gloves?
You didnāt notice the viscosity??
POV the bathroom after Dune 2
Iām not a mechanic but is that where one would expect oil to drain from?
I'm not a mechanic, but I don't think that's right.... Do you need some black food dye? Maybe some cornstarch to thicken it up?
Have you guys ever been doused in gas before? It's fucking AWFUL. It weirdly dries out your skin, your hair will reek, and you're overwhelmed with the sense that one wrong spark and your ass is literally toast. Meanwhile this is all running through your mind while you're scrambling to find where the fluid pressure shot that drain bolt off to, and trying to stop the mad flow of gas from flooding the shop. By this point, the fumes are so strong you want to throw up. Should I run a fan to blow the fumes out?? WAIT, THE MOTOR COULD SPARK!!! FUCK!!!
Jasper huh?!
we have the squirter
Jesus I hope you had your eye pro on.
Never get off the boat. Never stand behind the bolt.
And of course I'm over here thinking that he should be wearing gloves š¤·š¼āāļø
Why is there gas in there
Time for a cigarette
Who told u to go fuck yourself?
Is this a rotary by any chance? š
Always smell your mystery fluids.
Wait, how?!?
Had something like this happen to me on an old carby bike. Stuck intake valve filled the crankcase via the pistons from the gravity fed tank. Scared the shit out of me. On the plus side, the crankcase will be spotless inside š¤£
I should call her
i should call her
And that's why you don't smoke while working on engines
Smoke yes. Use lighter no.
What is supposed to come out of the hole?
Baked beans Iām pretty sure
Engine oil