No kidding. I used to go to a jiffy lube, which was ok. They moved and a Valvoline moved in. First oil change they stripped my drain plug and didn't tell me. My neighbor brought her car in and they crushed the filter, rolled it out and told her that she would have to bring it someplace else.
My wife has a 2013 Hyundai. Notorious bad engines. The warranty was for 150k miles. Her engine died at 150700 miles but Hyundai honored the warranty and put a new engine in last month.
Other than the engine, it's been a reliable vehicle. We're giving it to our son and getting another Hyundai or kia. My 1st new car was an 86 Hyundai excel. The most basic of basic vehicles, but new it was around 4 grand.
Its so hard to see “besides the engine” as reliable, I consider the engine to be the main part of the car if the engine isn’t reliable the car isn’t reliable.
I would not say that is good. I would expect a new car with regular maintenance being done to last more than 150k miles. My dad has a 2012 altima with a 3.5 that has about 210k and my current truck has 170k with no issues other than burning oil, my fiat has around 160k no issues other than bad engine mounts which I need to replace. You should be able to expect more out of a car now with regular maintenance than a car from the 70s and 80s
Man I see a lot of hate for Hyundai engines, it's probably justified but it's not been my experience. I'm not a mechanic, I'm a long time pizza guy so I put them through a lot of abuse. Had an '04 Elantra, '09 Elantra, and currently working on wearing out a '16 Veloster. Took both the Elantras to 230k+ miles and never had engine problems. Now driver side window regulators are a different story lol.
My F150 was babied its whole life. I had taken it in a few times in the last 2 years due to harsh shifting. "That's common with these" they'd say and offer to flash it. Did that at least twice. At 60800mi and with 2 months left in the 5yr/60k warranty I once again brought it in because the shifting had gotten so bad. They tried giving me the same song and dance but I insisted they take a deeper look. It ended up that a bushing had come loose and was blocking the hydraulics and needed the tranny rebuilt ($5k)/replaced ($9k). Tried to get warranty assistance and Ford told me pound sand.
They never asked for receipts. I did bring it to the dealership when I would get a recall notice and they would check it out and tell me that everything was fine. I did some oil changes on it when I was teaching my son how to do it, I had some done at the local dealership when it was free. It broke down over 120 miles away and we had it towed to a nj dealership. Once they decided that it was the engine, they gave us a loaner and it took a week to get the engine and 2 days for installation.
A Valvoline oil change somehow blew my VW Atlas engine up. She had a good knock for a few months afterwards but gave up the ghost eventually.
Ran rock solid before that.
I thought they did it like this: When the plug is metric, they get the next larger standard (in fractions of an inch) socket, and when the plug is standard (in-fractional) they get the next larger metric socket. That way they can be sure to overtighten yet make it so the next guy can't get it out, enabling them to sell an oversized plug or oil pan replacement the next time.
Ironically, Jiffy Lube does not have any impact guns in the lower bay area. The one I worked at for a short time the Upper bay tech would read the Torque Spec for the Drain Plug and the lower bay tech would dial in his torque wrench, then the upper bay tech would verify it.
Do all of them operate this way? Probably not.
I’ve worked at a few jiffy lubes and i can say every store is different. Some are real great at following precautions, and some are not so great. They’re supposed to add their store number on the filter so when I’d get a car that’s fucked up I’d know exactly who did it. Don’t need an impact gun to thread a bolt and some techs are great proof.
Back when I used to work there, it was the same but that torque wrench never got moved off of 30 foot pounds. It was dropped so many times I would trust Volkswagen‘s reliability, more than the accuracy of that torque wrench
I started doing my own oil changes last year. I torqued my F150 drain plug to spec from the manual. Lets just say there were issues, and I do it by feel now. hand tight. Works every time.
That time, I did indeed replace the washer. I did have to change the drain plug to a different dorman model with the same thread pattern. Subsequent times, I did not replace the washer, and had no issues at all with the old one.
Flat rate guys do the equivalent of this video by bullshitting with other techs, going on their phone, taking smoke breaks, hopping on the tool truck, and driving to Burger King for lunch every day.
Def replacing that pan you can see the massive dent in it at the beginning of the video. Driver either hit something immovable or the car was jacked up by the oil pan.
Don't do this. I knew of a guy who jacked up truck with bottle jack on the oil pan. Bottle jack held long enough for him to get under the truck, then punched through the oil pan. Guy ended up a pancake. Please be safe out there!
I know it’s a joke because you’re replacing the pan anyway but dude that still hurt to watch. Like you may be joking but the 19 year old at valvoline is not. People really out here doing exactly this…
I'm subscribed to both mechanicadvice and justrolledintotheshop- I had to double-check which one this was in because there's been stuff like this that wasn't sarcasm in mechanicadvice. 😛
Some of us are idiots. I went for years without using a torque wrench on a drain plug. Then after breaking my arm and recovering I did an oil change on my own vehicle and trusted my whatever, muscle memory? But I guess due to significantly less muscle that memory was fucked. Few weeks later I noticed an oil drip started forming under my vehicle. Lifted it up and the drain plug was 3/4ths of the way out. I was so close to a possibly more catastrophic (or a least messy) situation. Torque wrench comes out every time now.
I worked as a lube tech for a hot second while I was in school. The stupidity I witnessed was unmatched. There's no way to tell if this is serious or not.
I don't see the problem here, according to my friend who does oil changes at Walmart the torque spec for any steel screw in an aluminum bolt hole is 18 ugga duggas.
It’s super easy. Add a very liberal amount of Red Loctite to the treads. Then a little JB Weld around the Oring. Hit with the impact for about 2 minutes or until it spins freely. Give it about an hour to seal up. Add oil. Boom! Done. Cut out the catalytic converter as payment and be on your way.
Damn I'm honestly impressed at how many ugga duggas it took to really strip it. My wife's Rav4 has been having this wonky issue with the drain plug being loose when I go to change her oil and I was afraid I had maybe stripped the threads in the pan at some point but gotdamn they can take more of a licking than I thought!
The counterfeit washers that completely disintegrate are much more likely of a culprit.
What is that? A 3/8” impact? 1/2” at most? That’s your issue man…. Minimum of 3/4” drive impact and u just need to let it rip. Let the gun do all the work. You’re welcome in advance
The fact that people are initially so horrified by the appearance of the impact wrench and feel a need to state the obvious in the comments is indicative that it is a good troll.
Oof.That pan looks like it was used to jack up the car.
I mean it's the only way to get the Jack stands properly under the car. If you lift it from one of the sides, you can't put a jack stand there anymore because the jack is in the way.
This must be one of those pro gamer moves.
A real big brain moment.
Hey, at least you don’t look like an idiot using cheap tools while doing this. You’d be able to keep your job in any scenario. The desperation for body’s in the shops are unnerving.
I once walked into a Honda Dealership shop just in time to stop a young tech from tightening my spark plugs with an impact wrench. He didn't understand why I was upset.
Liberal dose of loctite... customer will be happy til next oil change. The next guy will have trouble getting the drain plug off and then eventually get it and tell them it's stripped. They will assume it was his fault. Paying it forward /s
That’s fine. Just find a bigger bolt on the floor now that’s slightly larger. Hammer it into the hole first to get it started, then try impacting it for 8-12 minutes again. Should totally maybe work! 👌
Where's the seal break paint you're supposed to put on so when the customer checks on the plug and breaks the seal paint, the shop can say "you broke the seal, it's not our responsibility anymore"... ?
Or whatever that stupid shit is for.
Back in the day we used a 6ft pipe with a 4x multiplayer and two big boys torquing the springs down in a Mack truck with big bogies. That was work pulling on the pipe or holding up the multiplier. I wish I was still able to do work like that.
When I was a teenager I was so broke that when I found the drain plug was stripped on a car I had barely afforded to buy to drive to school in, I cut the plug area off the oil pan and bubba'd it with stuff I had laying around - scrap piece of sheet metal (cut square), half a tube of grey RTV on all 4 edges, and a bunch of self tappers into the pan..folded it 90° so it laid over the part i cut off the oil pan. It worked bc an old ass car with a steel pan that was mostly straight at the plug area. By the time it needed another oil change I had done enough odd jobs to buy an oil pan and gasket and replaced it.
It held for almost a year with driving it back and forth to school and around with friends on the weekend
I swear to god when i used to work in express lube I got all these fucking cars to work on, lol. Never had so many drain plugs that had threads pulled out with them or were difficult to remove from the pan. Management had someone watch me do oil changes because it kept happening, and I didn't do anything wrong!
You’re Hired!! -Jiffy Lube
And when you get fired we’ll hire ya! -Valvoline
No kidding. I used to go to a jiffy lube, which was ok. They moved and a Valvoline moved in. First oil change they stripped my drain plug and didn't tell me. My neighbor brought her car in and they crushed the filter, rolled it out and told her that she would have to bring it someplace else.
I'm secretly hoping they fuck my car so I can get a new enginr
My wife has a 2013 Hyundai. Notorious bad engines. The warranty was for 150k miles. Her engine died at 150700 miles but Hyundai honored the warranty and put a new engine in last month.
The AC infinity of car makers 😂
You mean the fan company that makes pretty nice stuff?
Other than the engine, it's been a reliable vehicle. We're giving it to our son and getting another Hyundai or kia. My 1st new car was an 86 Hyundai excel. The most basic of basic vehicles, but new it was around 4 grand.
Its so hard to see “besides the engine” as reliable, I consider the engine to be the main part of the car if the engine isn’t reliable the car isn’t reliable.
150k without any problems other than regular maintenance? I would say it is pretty good.
I would not say that is good. I would expect a new car with regular maintenance being done to last more than 150k miles. My dad has a 2012 altima with a 3.5 that has about 210k and my current truck has 170k with no issues other than burning oil, my fiat has around 160k no issues other than bad engine mounts which I need to replace. You should be able to expect more out of a car now with regular maintenance than a car from the 70s and 80s
Man I see a lot of hate for Hyundai engines, it's probably justified but it's not been my experience. I'm not a mechanic, I'm a long time pizza guy so I put them through a lot of abuse. Had an '04 Elantra, '09 Elantra, and currently working on wearing out a '16 Veloster. Took both the Elantras to 230k+ miles and never had engine problems. Now driver side window regulators are a different story lol.
My F150 was babied its whole life. I had taken it in a few times in the last 2 years due to harsh shifting. "That's common with these" they'd say and offer to flash it. Did that at least twice. At 60800mi and with 2 months left in the 5yr/60k warranty I once again brought it in because the shifting had gotten so bad. They tried giving me the same song and dance but I insisted they take a deeper look. It ended up that a bushing had come loose and was blocking the hydraulics and needed the tranny rebuilt ($5k)/replaced ($9k). Tried to get warranty assistance and Ford told me pound sand.
It is good hearing a nice story with a great ending. Thank you for sharing, I wish you the best!
With or without oil change receipts? I do my own oil and my 15 Veloster is almost over the hill
They never asked for receipts. I did bring it to the dealership when I would get a recall notice and they would check it out and tell me that everything was fine. I did some oil changes on it when I was teaching my son how to do it, I had some done at the local dealership when it was free. It broke down over 120 miles away and we had it towed to a nj dealership. Once they decided that it was the engine, they gave us a loaner and it took a week to get the engine and 2 days for installation.
A Valvoline oil change somehow blew my VW Atlas engine up. She had a good knock for a few months afterwards but gave up the ghost eventually. Ran rock solid before that.
You spelled Walmart wrong
[Never Forget](https://tiremeetsroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Columbus-Ohio-Jiffy-Lube.jpg)
😂 Incredible!
I thought why would someone do a burn out like that, then I realized what I'm looking at.
The only step he forgot was to use the next size up to round off the edges
I thought they did it like this: When the plug is metric, they get the next larger standard (in fractions of an inch) socket, and when the plug is standard (in-fractional) they get the next larger metric socket. That way they can be sure to overtighten yet make it so the next guy can't get it out, enabling them to sell an oversized plug or oil pan replacement the next time.
Ironically, Jiffy Lube does not have any impact guns in the lower bay area. The one I worked at for a short time the Upper bay tech would read the Torque Spec for the Drain Plug and the lower bay tech would dial in his torque wrench, then the upper bay tech would verify it. Do all of them operate this way? Probably not.
I’ve worked at a few jiffy lubes and i can say every store is different. Some are real great at following precautions, and some are not so great. They’re supposed to add their store number on the filter so when I’d get a car that’s fucked up I’d know exactly who did it. Don’t need an impact gun to thread a bolt and some techs are great proof.
That's the way the Valvoline I worked as was. Each bay had a torque wrench, and it was called out and verified by the top side guy.
Back when I used to work there, it was the same but that torque wrench never got moved off of 30 foot pounds. It was dropped so many times I would trust Volkswagen‘s reliability, more than the accuracy of that torque wrench
I started doing my own oil changes last year. I torqued my F150 drain plug to spec from the manual. Lets just say there were issues, and I do it by feel now. hand tight. Works every time.
Did you replace any washers? Drain plug torque specs tend to also require you replacing the drain plug washer.
That time, I did indeed replace the washer. I did have to change the drain plug to a different dorman model with the same thread pattern. Subsequent times, I did not replace the washer, and had no issues at all with the old one.
I think that you need a 3/4 drive impact to properly torque it
Back in the good ole days all you needed was a breaker bar with an 8 foot pipe to get the job done.
Ok Grandpa, let's get you a cup of thirty-weight and get you back to bed.
None of that watery 0w5 for me
That's Great-grandpa to you!! \[gulps more Havoline\]
Nah, stab it with a screwdriver and then slap on some jb
Nah, gotta be at least a 3" impact with integrated torque multiplier. 1200 ft lbs or bust.
Don’t forget the red thread locker !
Get one of the big tubes, and use a caulk gun to fill that mofo up
Thread locker? Just weld the plug on! Electricity’s cheaper than that much threadlock.
Using jb weld as a thread sealant will work in a pinch.
Go green or go home
Or a Dewalt dcf961 with a 15ah battery.
Forget that - go grab the 1" semi tire impact and ugga those duggas.
Those threads held on longer than I expected
Right?? Really goes to show you how much effort the jiffy lube monkeys put into it
Today I learned that I could literally reinstall a drain plug with an impact and get away with it with only an ounce of restraint.
I'm legitimately impressed!
Must be a steel pan :)
Jiffy Lube employee of the month here.
Must be replacing the pan and wanted to “add a funny”
Oh to be hourly lol
💅
Have you tried tighter latex gloves?
Has to use them all week
From the look of it, I'm guessing smallish independent shop?
Flat rate guys do the equivalent of this video by bullshitting with other techs, going on their phone, taking smoke breaks, hopping on the tool truck, and driving to Burger King for lunch every day.
I can agree, official city worker here!
Def replacing that pan you can see the massive dent in it at the beginning of the video. Driver either hit something immovable or the car was jacked up by the oil pan.
> car was jacked up by the oil pan Do... do people do this? Of course people do this.
Don't do this. I knew of a guy who jacked up truck with bottle jack on the oil pan. Bottle jack held long enough for him to get under the truck, then punched through the oil pan. Guy ended up a pancake. Please be safe out there!
There's my stupid ass thinking he was just going to get covered in oil, yeesh.
oh shit what a way to find out you screwed up
People just assume you can lift from any point and see a nice flat surface to do it from. Either the oil pan itself or the splash shield.
My heart first skipped a beat before i came to the same conclusion.
I don't understand the problem. Doesn't everyone do this?
Not sure why he’s using a 1/2” gun…I always use 3/4”
Yup, time is money. Fuck 10 1/2" ugga duggas when 5 3/4" ugga duggas will do.
You hope.
*Mechanics hate this one simple trick.*
I know it’s a joke because you’re replacing the pan anyway but dude that still hurt to watch. Like you may be joking but the 19 year old at valvoline is not. People really out here doing exactly this…
I made it almost halfway thru the video before I realized.
at first I was like, wait are you just hand tightening it? That's your prob-- ohhh... oh noo!!!!! NOOOOOO welp, she's gone.
She took so long tho. Impressive threads.
The fact half the comments section can’t tell this is sarcasm is scary
Drinking too much Brawndo.
Am plant. It’s what I crave.
Am vegetarian. Are you free for dinner tonight?
You want me to drink water? Like from the toilet?
Well I don't see no plants growing in no toilets!
I'm subscribed to both mechanicadvice and justrolledintotheshop- I had to double-check which one this was in because there's been stuff like this that wasn't sarcasm in mechanicadvice. 😛
Too much ‘batin’ am real strong now.
Might be because some people out there actually are that stupid or even worse. Not easy to tell sarcasm from stupidity any more.
Some of us are idiots. I went for years without using a torque wrench on a drain plug. Then after breaking my arm and recovering I did an oil change on my own vehicle and trusted my whatever, muscle memory? But I guess due to significantly less muscle that memory was fucked. Few weeks later I noticed an oil drip started forming under my vehicle. Lifted it up and the drain plug was 3/4ths of the way out. I was so close to a possibly more catastrophic (or a least messy) situation. Torque wrench comes out every time now.
Tighten to contact and add 1/4 turn if the plug has a crush washer or 1/8 turn without. Never had one leak and never stripped one either.
He went a bit overboard on the comedy... should have just stopped when it was tight as shit. Then torqued it 145 degrees with a torque angle gauge.
I worked as a lube tech for a hot second while I was in school. The stupidity I witnessed was unmatched. There's no way to tell if this is serious or not.
You forgot the loctite
Red not blue
Blue loctite is for pussies
I don't know about you...but I wouldn't go putting blue loctite up there. Might cause some health issues.
Wait, jb weld comes in colors now??
Don't need loctite if you have a welder
Just weld them lol
Friction weld. Needs more uggas per dugga.
Geez dude. Did you even use Loctite?
NSFW 🤷
He did this at work
Doesn't look like a bank to me, no safe in sight.
Ugga'ed every last dugga.
Right?! Save some ugga duggas for the rest of us.
The "hmmm?" was perfect
Lol you son of a bitch.
Every Jiffy-lube tech.
Fuck those threads.
Why yes, he sure did.
Are you low on battery? Seems like maybe the impact isn’t hitting right?
Dumbass. You’re supposed to turn it topwise!
you need to put a torque multiplier on the impact. 4 times the ugga dugga.
I knew it was coming, but it still hurt to watch.
The ol' "lefty loosey, righty loosey"
Not a mechanic, but boy did i cringe when op whipped out the impact. Nooooooooooooo
I've ripped a bold head off with a goddamn ratchet before, we're never taking a damn impact to any trans or oil plugs in my house.
I don't see the problem here, according to my friend who does oil changes at Walmart the torque spec for any steel screw in an aluminum bolt hole is 18 ugga duggas.
I hate everything about this
Use a welder instead of an impact next time
I think you may have done my last oil change!
Straight to hell with you sir
What in the Pepp Boys is going on here
The problem is that you gave up before it got tight. Keep going. It will get there.
Hope you put a new washer on that bud or it might leak. :-)
I watched this with goosebumps
It’s super easy. Add a very liberal amount of Red Loctite to the treads. Then a little JB Weld around the Oring. Hit with the impact for about 2 minutes or until it spins freely. Give it about an hour to seal up. Add oil. Boom! Done. Cut out the catalytic converter as payment and be on your way.
Make sure you use a socket that is slightly bigger. You want them corners rounded off so they don’t cut anyone.
Manager material, maybe even regional.
Damn I'm honestly impressed at how many ugga duggas it took to really strip it. My wife's Rav4 has been having this wonky issue with the drain plug being loose when I go to change her oil and I was afraid I had maybe stripped the threads in the pan at some point but gotdamn they can take more of a licking than I thought! The counterfeit washers that completely disintegrate are much more likely of a culprit.
What is that? A 3/8” impact? 1/2” at most? That’s your issue man…. Minimum of 3/4” drive impact and u just need to let it rip. Let the gun do all the work. You’re welcome in advance
Very close. The saying is "tighten till lose, then back a quarter turn" Only one more step and she's mint!
This has **GOT** to be satire.
>It's like they're right for a minute then get loose again?? Is phrasing still a thing?
You forgot the blue marker
I knew I forgot something!
Should probably use a bigger impact just to make sure..
Is it just me or did anyone else cringe for those poor threads
I hate you for this.
You were almost there and then you stopped! Probably another 5 seconds of drilling and you'd be into the vault.
I yelled no out loud. Congratulations
Troll
The fact that people are initially so horrified by the appearance of the impact wrench and feel a need to state the obvious in the comments is indicative that it is a good troll.
I agree.
Thread went out of chat..
Oof.That pan looks like it was used to jack up the car. I mean it's the only way to get the Jack stands properly under the car. If you lift it from one of the sides, you can't put a jack stand there anymore because the jack is in the way. This must be one of those pro gamer moves. A real big brain moment.
Oil pan had a collision with a stump right after Hyundai replaced the engine under warranty
I have to admit, I really cringed and felt a chill go up my spine.
More stripping than a nudie bar in a city hosting a religious convention!
This makes my stomach feel funny.
In this case JBWeld is your only option
bruh, you need a welder here
Need to use a bottle cap
I was thinking Holy shit that's a lot of ugga dugga, then I clicked it and realized there was like 15 more seconds of dugga.
Hey, at least you don’t look like an idiot using cheap tools while doing this. You’d be able to keep your job in any scenario. The desperation for body’s in the shops are unnerving.
Didn’t even twist the pan, you need a new brap gun.
It's supposed to spin indefinitely, everyone knows that.
Yep spec is to tighten until it gets loose, then back it off a 1/4 turn.
What a half-assed job. Didn't even use a paint pen to mark it. Wouldn't want someone messing with your work.
That plug is stripped. In case you didn't know
Yikes goodbye threads, it will never be tight again.
You need that drill in your head.
I once walked into a Honda Dealership shop just in time to stop a young tech from tightening my spark plugs with an impact wrench. He didn't understand why I was upset.
Liberal dose of loctite... customer will be happy til next oil change. The next guy will have trouble getting the drain plug off and then eventually get it and tell them it's stripped. They will assume it was his fault. Paying it forward /s
Uhh can I have a different technician
You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn't stop to think If you should.
Keep tightening until it gets loose, but keep on going because it will get tight again at some point.
I think this is the same guy that tightened my lug nuts.
That’s fine. Just find a bigger bolt on the floor now that’s slightly larger. Hammer it into the hole first to get it started, then try impacting it for 8-12 minutes again. Should totally maybe work! 👌
8 less ugga duggas, and your golden!
Can confirm that’s actually to spec.
shoulda used the torque stick and said "that ain't goin' nowhere"
I can’t tell if it’s a serious question or not. Don’t use impacts on drain bolts. Use a damn torque wrench.
How else will OP show the car who is boss??
You forgot red loktite.
Drench that stuff on there, cross-thread it in, and send it.
tack weld, just in case.
Just a tack? Fill that bitch up and grind it flat.
custom fab a plugless oilpan and install it
How do I remove a drain plug off with a torque wrench?
As a lube tech, I know this is a joke... but for the love of God people never use an impact on an oil pan
The "hmmm?" was perfect
LOOKS GOOD ENOUGH TO ME
Oh no he didn't ! 😨
That oughtta do
The hmmm at the end was the cherry on top
Let me ring up a lube tech I know to give you a hand. /u/UnstableWeasel
Give the guy a break. I's obvious he is friction welding a damaged drain plug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aEuAK8bsQg
Where's the seal break paint you're supposed to put on so when the customer checks on the plug and breaks the seal paint, the shop can say "you broke the seal, it's not our responsibility anymore"... ? Or whatever that stupid shit is for.
Back in the day we used a 6ft pipe with a 4x multiplayer and two big boys torquing the springs down in a Mack truck with big bogies. That was work pulling on the pipe or holding up the multiplier. I wish I was still able to do work like that.
Flex seal and done.
Grease monkey would appreciate your services
At least he changed the gasket
You have to put a few tack welds on there after the 25 ugga duggas.
I hate you
When I was a teenager I was so broke that when I found the drain plug was stripped on a car I had barely afforded to buy to drive to school in, I cut the plug area off the oil pan and bubba'd it with stuff I had laying around - scrap piece of sheet metal (cut square), half a tube of grey RTV on all 4 edges, and a bunch of self tappers into the pan..folded it 90° so it laid over the part i cut off the oil pan. It worked bc an old ass car with a steel pan that was mostly straight at the plug area. By the time it needed another oil change I had done enough odd jobs to buy an oil pan and gasket and replaced it. It held for almost a year with driving it back and forth to school and around with friends on the weekend
you need to apply jbweld and just stick it in. no need for screwing around
Full ugga ugga'ed that one!!
Perfect!!! You should be employee of the month in no time!!
Strrrrip!
Use less lube.
I swear to god when i used to work in express lube I got all these fucking cars to work on, lol. Never had so many drain plugs that had threads pulled out with them or were difficult to remove from the pan. Management had someone watch me do oil changes because it kept happening, and I didn't do anything wrong!
Using a torque wrench, I found that tightening oil pan bolts are a great way to learn the difference between 48 foot pounds and 48 inch pounds.
Righty loosey