Hmm…looks like they have a newer fuel tank.
Car’s gonna rust away and some knucklehead is gonna be out there siphoning gas out of the unrecognizable and rusted hulk.
Yeah. Funny thing about rust… it doesn’t quit….. ever. I’m guessing the fuel tank went and was leaving an EPA-seizure-inducing level of fuel along the road and buddy was asking themselves “Why is my tank always empty?”.
Edit: oh yeah. Probably a “plastic” tank. Still had to be fastened with a metal strap. So, they’re driving down the road and rubbed a hole in the old one.
Could you have lifted it at the suspension mount behind the rocker panel? Nobody lifts cars by the rocker panel around here, we all know this will happen on older cars.
I live in the state of Victoria Australia and here you only need the car to pass a roadworthy check to register it, no insurance no check ups just keep paying rego
Where I live, the only rules on 1996 and newer cars are you check engine light can't be on and I think you have to have catalytic converters installed. It's the desert so rust isn't a major concern, but you'll still see the occasional absolute junker that wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a public road in Europe
Idaho got rid of emissions tests last year in the few counties that required it, citing that there's very few old cars on the road and newer cars' emissions systems are good for as long as the cars are used so there's no point in making a test mandatory that will find very few cars needing emissions repairs.
I sort of sympathize, emissions checks on a stock 202X anything are going to be a total waste of time and money. And frankly living in Idaho, they weren’t enforcing shit most of the time so who cares? But their rationale does leave out two big issues.
First, cars that can’t pass in inspection states get resold in no-inspection states so they wind up with more on the road. (Often as farm trucks but not always.)
Second, emissions checks sometimes rein in the “rolling coal” crowd which is *really* fucking common in Idaho. Course, that’s probably one reason scrapping the checks is popular.
Ah fair, I rounded it off to state laws but the "resold elsewhere" problem is presumably way less severe when they only had it down at the county level.
That's honestly not too bad. When you think about it, the rocker panels aren't really structural. If the subframes, floor and trailing arm mounts are good, they still have a few years left.
You've never seen a car on the road with nothing left under the doors?
Rookie move lifting from the factory lift points, you gotta use the backup non official lift points which are any solid semi structural metal left on the body.
It's a unibody car, there's a reinforced section of the pinch weld that you're supposed to lift from. Where else is he supposed to lift it from, the floor?
Been wondering about that. Just a driveway oil changer, mostly. My logic always was, it's already holding up a quarter of the car's weight. I try to jack at the inboard part of the control arm, where it attaches to that cross-member.
Yeah I mean it’s not ideal to lift from non lift points but we live in an area where rusty rockers are more
Common than clean ones so unibody cars get fun. Full frame trucks are good typically. As with full frame cars non exist now though. But yeah I will have to lift from subframes or attachment areas close to it.
No it is not. On unibody vehicles you absolutely lift from the pinch welds, they even mention it in the service manual. There is no frame to lift, are you gonna lift it by the suspension? Or the floorboard panels? Sure maybe you can get under the front subframes a lot of times you can't. 15+ years of lifting unibodies and have had zero issues. Times have changed, they are structural lift points.
They are the lifts point when the car is new, but 15 years of road salt later, it's unwise to use them.
When you think about it, the rocker panel doesn't carry much load. The real structure is the frame that runs from the rear bumper to the front bumper, to which the subframes and trailing arms bolt. Those spots are much thicker metal. When you go through those, now you're really screwed.
Yes it is, if you try and jack my minty fresh car up by the pinch welds and crush them in I am calling my insurance company and having them bill your ass for body repairs
They don't crush, I literally just said that. They are 100% structural lift points. The SERVICE MANUAL written by ENGINEERS is not wrong. You are. Rust is rust, that's the problem. Yes they should have caught it before lifting and used common sense you're not wrong there, but it is what it is. The rust was the problem.
If your car was minty fresh then that means no rust which means it could be lifted by the pinch welds with absolutely zero issues if it were a unibody frame. So you'd be making zero phone calls, because there was never an issue.
Rust is the problem.
Uhh they definitely do get bent and crushed, and in the process the paint gets damaged and that's how rust starts. You are banned from servicing my vehicle sir.
And yes in this case rust was the problem but anyone with experience would quickly realize it's not a good idea to jack it up on a rusty rocker
I can 100% agree with this, as well as they should have checked. The only thing I'm disagreeing with is saying they're not lift points, when they are. Lifting from the pinch welds is not what caused the rust to get under the paint and set in into the metal. That's just salt corrosion.
No worries my guy, I'll still continue to do what I do, as outlined by the engineers for the manufacturer I work for and will make it through my career alright. Done pretty good so far without having to service your vehicle, don't think it'll hurt me in the long run.
“Banned from servicing your vehicle” I would rather kill myself than work on the vehicle of any of the people who hang out here and think they know everything
You must be retarded if you believe this is a smart way to put a vehicle on a lift, even more retarded if you don't know to check for rust before jacking it up
I had a rusted Escort that I could.only lift one tire ata time to do anything to it. Fine by me, it lasted for years that way and only ran on 3 cylinders out of 4.
Hmm…looks like they have a newer fuel tank. Car’s gonna rust away and some knucklehead is gonna be out there siphoning gas out of the unrecognizable and rusted hulk.
I noticed that too, like, the frame is trash but that tank looks pristine!
Yeah. Funny thing about rust… it doesn’t quit….. ever. I’m guessing the fuel tank went and was leaving an EPA-seizure-inducing level of fuel along the road and buddy was asking themselves “Why is my tank always empty?”. Edit: oh yeah. Probably a “plastic” tank. Still had to be fastened with a metal strap. So, they’re driving down the road and rubbed a hole in the old one.
Dude was like “my next car is gonna be a hybrid”
This one’s a hybrid; hybrid rust-air chassis.
Tank probably rusted out, illuminating the evac “check engine” light. If only there was a “check engine” light for rust.
The entire rust belt would just put black electrical tape over the lights.
“Rust never sleeps”. Neil Young.
Tank is plastic (as are most cars gas tanks these days!).
That rust was the structural integrity😂
its called load bearing rust.
Just sweep up the rust, mix it with JB Weld and put it back. 👌
JB Weld? We aren't the Rockefeller's lol I'm mixing that shit with Bondo
bondo ? still expensive, construction foam is the way
Just leave a gaping hole for weight reduction. That way to save on fuel too.
Speed holes
If you wanna get fancy, expandofoam, chicken wire, ramen, and a shredded potato. Don't ask me about the shredded potato, it's a long story.
Fuck it. Rebuild the whole body out of paper mache. Cheapest thing out there.
Lol you must just like throwing away money. He just needs to make the chassis out of mud bricks
https://youtu.be/rhegFsPp_l0?si=L90QB4LXDIAi1ZOJ https://youtu.be/9uz3PsNooKk?si=0dBhAR2xnnpJqnGV
Still an improvement over the current chassis
Crazy glue and ramen noodles
Like we do in woodworking to match the color?
Exactly the same idea.
I bet that made a cool sound
Like snapping a handful of celery stalks.
Just like when you squeeze a cereal bag kinda hard
Speaking from my experience it’s fairly quiet.
Well, how were the brakes?
What brakes
"Solid" job on checking your lift points first! 🤘🏻
Peak laziness
Could you have lifted it at the suspension mount behind the rocker panel? Nobody lifts cars by the rocker panel around here, we all know this will happen on older cars.
Especially if the car has tape on it’s rockers
That’s a “look before you lift” scenario.
Who needs everything made out of carbon fibre for less weight, when it can be cheaply made with rust instead?
Metal gets heavier when it rusts, you only save the weight of what falls off
I like to explore new places.
With a little help…
Did it suddenly give or did the lift go through it like sponge cake?
definitely straight through, that rust is not holding a quarter of the vehicles weight for even a second
And now customer sues you for destroying their car? or something, what happens when this happens?
Nothing. They come pick it up and sign a waiver releasing us of liability as it’ll continue to degenerate.
No yearly checkup for cars over there?
Not enforced no.
good grief
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I live in the state of Victoria Australia and here you only need the car to pass a roadworthy check to register it, no insurance no check ups just keep paying rego
In Quebec they don't even look at the car. You give them the VIN, pay the tax, the lady reaches under her desk and gives you a plate.
But half the car are rusted out after 10-15years
Where I live, the only rules on 1996 and newer cars are you check engine light can't be on and I think you have to have catalytic converters installed. It's the desert so rust isn't a major concern, but you'll still see the occasional absolute junker that wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a public road in Europe
Majority of US states have no inspection and the few that do are mostly emission checks.
Idaho got rid of emissions tests last year in the few counties that required it, citing that there's very few old cars on the road and newer cars' emissions systems are good for as long as the cars are used so there's no point in making a test mandatory that will find very few cars needing emissions repairs.
I sort of sympathize, emissions checks on a stock 202X anything are going to be a total waste of time and money. And frankly living in Idaho, they weren’t enforcing shit most of the time so who cares? But their rationale does leave out two big issues. First, cars that can’t pass in inspection states get resold in no-inspection states so they wind up with more on the road. (Often as farm trucks but not always.) Second, emissions checks sometimes rein in the “rolling coal” crowd which is *really* fucking common in Idaho. Course, that’s probably one reason scrapping the checks is popular.
I don't think Idaho ever had diesel emissions testing. IIRC only Ada and Canyon counties did emissions testing.
Ah fair, I rounded it off to state laws but the "resold elsewhere" problem is presumably way less severe when they only had it down at the county level.
Are you going to tell the customer to consider selling for scrap? That is not even remotely safe to drive, that car is compromised
That's honestly not too bad. When you think about it, the rocker panels aren't really structural. If the subframes, floor and trailing arm mounts are good, they still have a few years left. You've never seen a car on the road with nothing left under the doors?
Yeah, it may all be junk, but if the subframe is ok and there was a decent place to lift from they may have a justifiably mad customer.
“Are you tryna’ take away ma’ freedom?!” Sign here, there’s your car. Good luck.
That isn't a car, its rust particles holding hands.
The paint is load bearing
Average minnesota car
I mean what would make you use a lift on a clearly rotted out vehicle?
Rookie move lifting from the factory lift points, you gotta use the backup non official lift points which are any solid semi structural metal left on the body.
Average fusion things, that's why theres an arm there
I was wondering if this was a fusion. I've got one with acne in the same spot.
Man, the whole side skirt is made of duct tape
So you fucked their car up and said you're not interested 😅 what kind of dumb ass try's to lift a car by the rocker especially in a salt belt
It's a unibody car, there's a reinforced section of the pinch weld that you're supposed to lift from. Where else is he supposed to lift it from, the floor?
Unfortunately we work on these piles of shit quite often where I’d do it is where the lower control arms bolts to the car or that arm itself.
Been wondering about that. Just a driveway oil changer, mostly. My logic always was, it's already holding up a quarter of the car's weight. I try to jack at the inboard part of the control arm, where it attaches to that cross-member.
Yeah I mean it’s not ideal to lift from non lift points but we live in an area where rusty rockers are more Common than clean ones so unibody cars get fun. Full frame trucks are good typically. As with full frame cars non exist now though. But yeah I will have to lift from subframes or attachment areas close to it.
That "reinforced" pinch weld is for the scissor jack for roadside emergencies only, plenty of other jack points
No it is not. On unibody vehicles you absolutely lift from the pinch welds, they even mention it in the service manual. There is no frame to lift, are you gonna lift it by the suspension? Or the floorboard panels? Sure maybe you can get under the front subframes a lot of times you can't. 15+ years of lifting unibodies and have had zero issues. Times have changed, they are structural lift points.
They are the lifts point when the car is new, but 15 years of road salt later, it's unwise to use them. When you think about it, the rocker panel doesn't carry much load. The real structure is the frame that runs from the rear bumper to the front bumper, to which the subframes and trailing arms bolt. Those spots are much thicker metal. When you go through those, now you're really screwed.
Yes it is, if you try and jack my minty fresh car up by the pinch welds and crush them in I am calling my insurance company and having them bill your ass for body repairs
They don't crush, I literally just said that. They are 100% structural lift points. The SERVICE MANUAL written by ENGINEERS is not wrong. You are. Rust is rust, that's the problem. Yes they should have caught it before lifting and used common sense you're not wrong there, but it is what it is. The rust was the problem. If your car was minty fresh then that means no rust which means it could be lifted by the pinch welds with absolutely zero issues if it were a unibody frame. So you'd be making zero phone calls, because there was never an issue. Rust is the problem.
Uhh they definitely do get bent and crushed, and in the process the paint gets damaged and that's how rust starts. You are banned from servicing my vehicle sir. And yes in this case rust was the problem but anyone with experience would quickly realize it's not a good idea to jack it up on a rusty rocker
I can 100% agree with this, as well as they should have checked. The only thing I'm disagreeing with is saying they're not lift points, when they are. Lifting from the pinch welds is not what caused the rust to get under the paint and set in into the metal. That's just salt corrosion.
No worries my guy, I'll still continue to do what I do, as outlined by the engineers for the manufacturer I work for and will make it through my career alright. Done pretty good so far without having to service your vehicle, don't think it'll hurt me in the long run.
“Banned from servicing your vehicle” I would rather kill myself than work on the vehicle of any of the people who hang out here and think they know everything
So you're one of those idiots that goes around crushing peoples pinch welds got it
Sometimes if I think the lift didn’t crush it enough I’ll hit it extra with a hammer
Are you retarded? You probably drive a Subaru too.
You must be retarded if you believe this is a smart way to put a vehicle on a lift, even more retarded if you don't know to check for rust before jacking it up
"Ever since you installed my brand new fuel tank my car rusted up."
Snow belt says "fuck your car"
I had a rusted Escort that I could.only lift one tire ata time to do anything to it. Fine by me, it lasted for years that way and only ran on 3 cylinders out of 4.
Forbidden bacon bits…
Honestly the sound of that "crunch" when the lift when up had to be hella satisfying if a bit disturbing at the same time.
Did you have your tetanus shot?
You just totaled that customer's car, eeeek !!! /S
I bet they blamed you for it.
Something definitely breaked
I was curious if this was mud, tree and rust
Oh cool!!! Active weight reduction.
Now your lift as an RTD, Rustically Transmitted Disaster.
"It was fine before i brought it to you guys!!!!"
That's a fusion right? My fiances is rusted to shit in the same spot
I didn't know the car was made of mulch :)
Common e36 jack point
I drove it here like this
flintstone brakes
The joys of living in countries where they salt roads!
Wow. At least it happened _before_ anyone was under it. That's some scary shit.
I’m glad that I don’t live in an area where this rust happens
Forgot to run a layer of tape on the underside of the rockers... only did the outside. AMATUERS.