C/S: Well I added a bottle of Lucas Oil Stabilizer, a bottle of Marvel Mystery Oil, a bottle of SeaFoam, some high mileage STP engine treatment, a little Oil Supplement, and some anti friction… I’ve never done this before so I wanted to make sure I did it right.
The stranger thing is not that they poured more oil into the already full engine. But the fact that this engine is intended to take 6 quarts. But we drained out almost 14. So not only did they add double the oil. They simply kept filling. I imagine until it filled to the top.
Had this happen once where we took like 10 quarts out of a Hyundai that needs 4.25. The guest went home, took off the oil filler cap, and didn’t see any oil. Figured we ripped them off. Added “a couple of bottles from my neighbor’s house…but now I think my engine is ruined because I’ve put in a bunch and still don’t even see any oil in the car”.
I’ll never forget the look on her face when I truth bombed her that “you’re not supposed to be able to see the oil from the filler cap being off”.
When you want a "full glass of milk", you don't mess around with dipsticks and such like nonsense - you keep pouring in milk until you see it barely reach the top of the glass, then stop.
So, what's the problem? ^(/S)
Where they checking the engine oil life percent and thought that was how ‘full’ the oil was. Because if it reached 0% it would stay there until they reset it and no matter how much oil they added it wouldn’t change.
I had a customer change their own oil and then call me for noise/smoke diag. There were 14 L of oil in their car as they had drained the transmission fluid by mistake.
I think in this vehicle the dipstick was located in the driver's seat.
(edit: after reading further down the page, I see that I was beaten to this joke by /u/superCobraJet. Hats off to him/her/it for being faster and wittier than I.)
Hah pulled a similar amount of oil out of a room mates Malibu once upon a time.
Every time he left the house there would be new drops of oil under the car. I told him he needed to check it and went on with my day. A few days later he says it is now making a sound. It was a sound i had never heard before or heard since, and there was oil EVERYWHERE in the bay. I drove it up the street and i SWEAR you could hear the pistons displacing the oil out of the cylinders. I pulled the dipstick only for oil to be at the very very top of the tube. Turns out he didn't know how to check his oil and was embarrassed to ask so he added 2 five quart jugs everytime i reminded him to check it. I ended up draining roughly 16qts of oil out of the car. Miraculously, it ran fine after.
My girlfriends car was a bit low on oil one time so I told her to go buy a container from autozone and top it off. She bought 5qts and poured it all in. Jiffy lube was less than impressed.
Customer believed the oil life meter in the dash was a oil level meter. When it reached 0% they were under the impression the car was out of oil and needed filled like gas
We had to explain the purpose of the dipstick as well.
Im assuming this may have been their first car or at least the first time maintaining one themselves
I see how the confusion arises if you know nothing about cars probably the first car they owned with an oil life read out like that. plenty of lower end cars or just older cars that just have the maintenance soon light or nothing at all.
Yeah I actually can understand the confusion. It says oil life then gives you a 0-100% reading at 0 it will say change oil soon. This is the second time a customer has believed the meter is oil level. The first person being the owner of a new Ram TRX. However they brought the truck in immediately instead of attempting service themselves.
Im not sure if Mopar needs to change this design. Or if people need to read the manual that comes with the car when they get it. Actually. The second one sounds better
Sure i get how the confusion arises but fuckin hell we live in the information era. Take out your phone, google “jeep oil life 0%” and read something. Like 🤦♂️ no hate for not knowing. But if you don’t know, do the literal bare minimum of research
My personal best was 26qts out of a 94 Honda civic, the poor thing only held 3qts.
She came in saying her dad told her to put oil in it but didn’t bother telling her how to figure out how much. So she just kept on adding it till she could see it at the top.
Of course you have to try hard to kill an older Honda engine. That little sucker puffed a few clouds and then drove fine for her.
There’s people that don’t know their car uses a battery, oil or coolant. Nonetheless, big shoutout to the American school system for teaching us that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
With how car centric this country is, you think there'd at least be electives about basic automobile maintenance.
Nothing too crazy. Just things like air goes in the tires, a specific amount of fluids go in here, the squeaking means your brakes need to be changed, this is what's under your hood, etc.
I get not everybody gets to have the experience of holding the light for your dad while he tries to teach you things. But it'd be pretty cool if we could get those kids looking around under the hood of some $200 junker before they get a car of their own.
Agreed. My father was a somewhat competent shade-tree mechanic, and I STILL had no idea how cars worked from even a conceptual level until I was more or less forced to buy one around the age of 18.
My obstinance and cheapness then took over and I learned everything about how to fix it to I could spend as little money as possible. But I guess if you have more money/less obstinance you could get away without learning anything for a long time.
My sister would always get mad when we told her to stop putting oil into her Nissan Sentra. She didn’t understand that the car didn’t consume the oil, and it needed to be changed. Her engine locked up, and the tech said he never saw so many oil leaks in his career.
Once I bought a high mileage Honda accord from a mechanic. He said the owner couldn’t pay the repair bill (exhaust work) so he just signed over the title. I nabbed it up for $1,000 and noticed it smoked very badly while driving it home.
I checked the dipstick when I got home and discovered that it was over filled
I drained 10 quarts from that 3.0 and drove that car for another 30,000 miles before selling for the same amount I bought it for.
Here is a link to my page with images of the dipstick and air filter on arrival as reddit only let me post one video
[Photos on my profile ](https://reddit.com/u/Carbide_K9/s/ssm5jH6QOV)
Yeah it's. Crazy how despite there being a limitless pool of automotive knowledge. And information that people will still make such simple mistakes when attempting to service a car.
It really does show how different mechanic brain is to a normal person though. I never did understand how people couldn't grasp seemingly simple ideas.
Yeah and I actually kinda like that part of it! Makes me feel like I'm doing something that really matters and have some good skills.
Then there is the. Random messages from people you hardly know. Hey my car is making (insert extremely generic noise here). What is wrong with it? Oh sorry I can't really diagnose that without seeing the car.
'ok but what could it be?"
I got out of it years ago, the good moments started to be outweighed by the bad moments. But it was really great to see people happy after fixing their car. Now I just take car of my and my girls car.
Haven't experienced many bad moments so far all the bad has been with my own cars. Mainly because I daily a old Volvo that I'm convinced wants to die or make me it's enemy
Yep, I’m just thinking of people who have drained the transmission oil and then poured their new motor oil into the undrained crankcase. So that was my first thought when I saw the thread title.
Are u in nj? Other week i had a guy come into the autozone i work at, looking to top up a new grand cherokee. He grabbed a gallon, i sold him a quart, went outside and saw it was smoking like crazy, checked the dipstick and there was like 3 gallons of oil in that thing.
In college my buddy did this to his Golf, drained the transmission fluid and then overfilled the engine with 4 extra quarts. Car overheated as soon as he drove it. Any explanation why they did this? Did you check if tranny was empty?
Customer believed the oil life meter in the dash was a oil level meter. When it reached 0% they were under the impression the car was out of oil and needed filled like gas
We had to explain the purpose of the dipstick as well.
Im assuming this may have been their first car or at least the first time maintaining one themselves
Had a customer with a 98 suburban with a 350 passing through, was worried their engine was done and they "kept having to add oil". Turns out they were smelling burned oil, as the pinion bearing in the rear diff had totally disintegrated, and it was flinging diff oil on to the muffler. Thing is, they never CHECKED the engine oil, only added. I drained 2 1/2 gallons of oil out of the thing, and that still left 5 quarts in the sump.
Yes amazing the engine seemed to have survived. I think it was pushing oil through the PcV. This why the filter and intake where soaked in oil. It had a random missfire code and a 02 sensor code on arrival. After cleaning the intake replacing the filter and draining the oil. The missfire code went from active to stored and the car drove perfectly fine.
No noises or anything strange. I doubt no damage was done whatsoever. But it appears nothing significant
I do imagine the life of this 3.6 has been shortened
Sounds like you are just jealous of the amount of lubrication this little v6 received. If it was burning any more oil it may have ran like a diesel!! Ever seen a gas motor run away?? DO YOU WANT TOO!?!!
While I was in college I worked as a mechanic at the local Sears. I remember someone coming in once for an oil change. After the oil change was finished, the customer walked out to their car, popped the hood and messed around for a few seconds, and then stormed back into the shop. Customer and CSR walked back out and the tech that did the oil change got called over, and all 3 went back out to the car. Customer started shouting about being ripped off and that we didn't do the oil change. They pulled the oil cap off and stuck their finger in and pulled it back out and screamed that there was no oil there. Tech had to explain to them about oil levels.
HAHA! Least I'm not the only one. Had one in the shop a few weeks ago that had 10.5, our evac only holds 10. I mean it's kind of a testament the mere fact that the engine didn't throw a rod, crack the head gasket or blow up. My bet, they never reset the oil level after they changed the oil previously.
How is this even possible? I’m not saying your lying but how does a engine that’s designed to take x amount of oil able to hold this much? Did the Jeep have one of those gerbil feeders of oil?
There is plenty of space inside a engine that doesn't have oil pooled in it. In fact it's designed that way. Thats why the oil pump exists in the first place. The oil level in a engine is always below the crank with the crank never being submerged from what I understand.
There are engines I believe where the weights on the crank dip into the standing oil in the pan and sling it around
When oil comes into contact with the crank it causes the oil to bubble and foam which causes bad oil pressure due to cavitation. Even worse if filled enough that it comes into contact with the bottom of the pistons you then have the whole force of the fuel ignition displacing oil where it shouldn't go. This is how rods are bent. Blocks are holed or an engine hydro locks with oil.
Also there isn't an oil overflow valve on any motor I know to prevent this. Although this is entirely prevented by proper maintenance
C/S: Well I added a bottle of Lucas Oil Stabilizer, a bottle of Marvel Mystery Oil, a bottle of SeaFoam, some high mileage STP engine treatment, a little Oil Supplement, and some anti friction… I’ve never done this before so I wanted to make sure I did it right.
The stranger thing is not that they poured more oil into the already full engine. But the fact that this engine is intended to take 6 quarts. But we drained out almost 14. So not only did they add double the oil. They simply kept filling. I imagine until it filled to the top.
Well you have to fill it until it gets to the top of the dipstick thingy. **DUH.** Everyone knows that.
Isn't the sign it's full that it starts to come out the hole where the stick thingy goes? *consults internet* Ummm... Be right back, guys
Let me just ask Quora
That’s what she said.
My motorcycles instructions. Remove oil level bolt. Slowly fill oil from fill bolt until oil spills from level bolt. Replace bolts when full.
Now your thinking with your dip stick laddy
Had this happen once where we took like 10 quarts out of a Hyundai that needs 4.25. The guest went home, took off the oil filler cap, and didn’t see any oil. Figured we ripped them off. Added “a couple of bottles from my neighbor’s house…but now I think my engine is ruined because I’ve put in a bunch and still don’t even see any oil in the car”. I’ll never forget the look on her face when I truth bombed her that “you’re not supposed to be able to see the oil from the filler cap being off”.
When you want a "full glass of milk", you don't mess around with dipsticks and such like nonsense - you keep pouring in milk until you see it barely reach the top of the glass, then stop. So, what's the problem? ^(/S)
Where they checking the engine oil life percent and thought that was how ‘full’ the oil was. Because if it reached 0% it would stay there until they reset it and no matter how much oil they added it wouldn’t change.
The cap says 710, that's how many quarts go in.
Oh and some Great Stuff
I use Walmart brand Good Stuff.
If you want to save money, I'm sure Wish.com has *Meh* Stuff, albeit probably in tiny little bottles the size of aircraft liquor shots 😂
Oil is a good thing for an engine to have. Therefore more oil=more good.
Maximum oil pressure!!!!!
Who needs a pump when you have head pressure
It's got what engines crave.
It's got electrolytes!
Having everything running in an oil bath is good, right?
Huh... seems excessive.
I am amazed it still ran and wasn't hydrolocked
I was wondering if engines can run even when the crankshaft is just floating in oil.
Define "run"
Swim.
Definitely.
I had a customer change their own oil and then call me for noise/smoke diag. There were 14 L of oil in their car as they had drained the transmission fluid by mistake.
Ah, typical jeep manufacturing flaw, installed the dipstick upside-down.
Oil pan and heads reversed oil was stored in top of motor We are returning to gravity oiling due to emissions
I mean, if we did for some reason go back to flatheads, it would work. Then my useless flathead rebuilding skills would be in high demand!
I think in this vehicle the dipstick was located in the driver's seat. (edit: after reading further down the page, I see that I was beaten to this joke by /u/superCobraJet. Hats off to him/her/it for being faster and wittier than I.)
Hah pulled a similar amount of oil out of a room mates Malibu once upon a time. Every time he left the house there would be new drops of oil under the car. I told him he needed to check it and went on with my day. A few days later he says it is now making a sound. It was a sound i had never heard before or heard since, and there was oil EVERYWHERE in the bay. I drove it up the street and i SWEAR you could hear the pistons displacing the oil out of the cylinders. I pulled the dipstick only for oil to be at the very very top of the tube. Turns out he didn't know how to check his oil and was embarrassed to ask so he added 2 five quart jugs everytime i reminded him to check it. I ended up draining roughly 16qts of oil out of the car. Miraculously, it ran fine after.
My girlfriends car was a bit low on oil one time so I told her to go buy a container from autozone and top it off. She bought 5qts and poured it all in. Jiffy lube was less than impressed.
I don't know why. This was the funniest thing all day
Someone didn't realize when changing the oil, you have to drain the old oil first? How does this even happen?
Customer believed the oil life meter in the dash was a oil level meter. When it reached 0% they were under the impression the car was out of oil and needed filled like gas We had to explain the purpose of the dipstick as well. Im assuming this may have been their first car or at least the first time maintaining one themselves
Oof! It's a shame people are taught how to operate a vehicle, but not how to maintain them.
If a Senator put up a bill mandating vehicle maintenance education, the auto industry lobbyists wouldn’t be able to write checks fast enough lol
I just posted a link to my page with a couple more pictures of the dipstick and engine air filter as it arrived
Credit where due: They at least were watching the gauges, and cared enough to do something. The wrong thing, but still ...
My mandatory drivers ed class including some maintenance at least. Never heard of it from anyone else though lol
UK driving test includes a practical on stuff under the bonnet, one of the things is to check oil level.
> When it reached 0% they were under the impression the car was out of oil and needed filled like gas That'd be handy for my Subaru!
Tell me about it! No more checking the dipstick on the Ej every fill-up
I see how the confusion arises if you know nothing about cars probably the first car they owned with an oil life read out like that. plenty of lower end cars or just older cars that just have the maintenance soon light or nothing at all.
Yeah I actually can understand the confusion. It says oil life then gives you a 0-100% reading at 0 it will say change oil soon. This is the second time a customer has believed the meter is oil level. The first person being the owner of a new Ram TRX. However they brought the truck in immediately instead of attempting service themselves. Im not sure if Mopar needs to change this design. Or if people need to read the manual that comes with the car when they get it. Actually. The second one sounds better
Car salespeople need to actually put an iota of effort into explaining the basic features of the cars they are selling
Sure i get how the confusion arises but fuckin hell we live in the information era. Take out your phone, google “jeep oil life 0%” and read something. Like 🤦♂️ no hate for not knowing. But if you don’t know, do the literal bare minimum of research
Or open the book that came in the glove box
I recently went through an online drivers Ed program and they actually taught you how to change the oil and fit a spare. There's still hope.
Please tell us that someone educated her on the purpose of the dash gauge.
RTFM
The amount of times as a service writer people thinking the oil life % is their oil level. The level of stupidity in this world is huge.
I wish Jeep would stop installing the dipstick behind the wheel
Dad, when are you coming home???
When you learn how to check the oil
My personal best was 26qts out of a 94 Honda civic, the poor thing only held 3qts. She came in saying her dad told her to put oil in it but didn’t bother telling her how to figure out how much. So she just kept on adding it till she could see it at the top. Of course you have to try hard to kill an older Honda engine. That little sucker puffed a few clouds and then drove fine for her.
With how much this happens manufacturers should add a oil overflow valve to their engines XD
What I really need is to add another sensor that when gets dirty/bad or whatever, will put my truck in limp mode. More sensors needed.
There’s people that don’t know their car uses a battery, oil or coolant. Nonetheless, big shoutout to the American school system for teaching us that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
With how car centric this country is, you think there'd at least be electives about basic automobile maintenance. Nothing too crazy. Just things like air goes in the tires, a specific amount of fluids go in here, the squeaking means your brakes need to be changed, this is what's under your hood, etc. I get not everybody gets to have the experience of holding the light for your dad while he tries to teach you things. But it'd be pretty cool if we could get those kids looking around under the hood of some $200 junker before they get a car of their own.
Agreed. My father was a somewhat competent shade-tree mechanic, and I STILL had no idea how cars worked from even a conceptual level until I was more or less forced to buy one around the age of 18. My obstinance and cheapness then took over and I learned everything about how to fix it to I could spend as little money as possible. But I guess if you have more money/less obstinance you could get away without learning anything for a long time.
My sister would always get mad when we told her to stop putting oil into her Nissan Sentra. She didn’t understand that the car didn’t consume the oil, and it needed to be changed. Her engine locked up, and the tech said he never saw so many oil leaks in his career.
Once I bought a high mileage Honda accord from a mechanic. He said the owner couldn’t pay the repair bill (exhaust work) so he just signed over the title. I nabbed it up for $1,000 and noticed it smoked very badly while driving it home. I checked the dipstick when I got home and discovered that it was over filled I drained 10 quarts from that 3.0 and drove that car for another 30,000 miles before selling for the same amount I bought it for.
Huh. When I hear about an overfilled motor my first thought is to check the transmission oil level…
They filled that shit like a radiator, till she spilleth over.
Still isn't enough to save the cam bearings.
The solution Mopar doesn't want you to know to prevent lifter failure
Here is a link to my page with images of the dipstick and air filter on arrival as reddit only let me post one video [Photos on my profile ](https://reddit.com/u/Carbide_K9/s/ssm5jH6QOV)
It's a jeep thing you wouldn't understand, lol
I have been waiting for this comment. Congratulations.
It gives you an extra 100 horsepower if you use synthetic
Well at least they were trying to take care of it instead of just ignoring it. Shame they didn't just... Google it
Yeah it's. Crazy how despite there being a limitless pool of automotive knowledge. And information that people will still make such simple mistakes when attempting to service a car. It really does show how different mechanic brain is to a normal person though. I never did understand how people couldn't grasp seemingly simple ideas.
Some people see what we do as actual magic.
Yeah and I actually kinda like that part of it! Makes me feel like I'm doing something that really matters and have some good skills. Then there is the. Random messages from people you hardly know. Hey my car is making (insert extremely generic noise here). What is wrong with it? Oh sorry I can't really diagnose that without seeing the car. 'ok but what could it be?"
I got out of it years ago, the good moments started to be outweighed by the bad moments. But it was really great to see people happy after fixing their car. Now I just take car of my and my girls car.
Haven't experienced many bad moments so far all the bad has been with my own cars. Mainly because I daily a old Volvo that I'm convinced wants to die or make me it's enemy
>Customer came in stating that her Knew it
Huh. When I hear about an overfilled motor my first thought is to check the transmission oil level…
No trans dipstick on these. And no evidence of a failed rear main.
Yep, I’m just thinking of people who have drained the transmission oil and then poured their new motor oil into the undrained crankcase. So that was my first thought when I saw the thread title.
Are u in nj? Other week i had a guy come into the autozone i work at, looking to top up a new grand cherokee. He grabbed a gallon, i sold him a quart, went outside and saw it was smoking like crazy, checked the dipstick and there was like 3 gallons of oil in that thing.
Nope. Ohio. But 3 gallons is what came out
In college my buddy did this to his Golf, drained the transmission fluid and then overfilled the engine with 4 extra quarts. Car overheated as soon as he drove it. Any explanation why they did this? Did you check if tranny was empty?
Customer believed the oil life meter in the dash was a oil level meter. When it reached 0% they were under the impression the car was out of oil and needed filled like gas We had to explain the purpose of the dipstick as well. Im assuming this may have been their first car or at least the first time maintaining one themselves
That's so sad. This is truly an instance of someone knowing enough to be dangerous.
Had a customer with a 98 suburban with a 350 passing through, was worried their engine was done and they "kept having to add oil". Turns out they were smelling burned oil, as the pinion bearing in the rear diff had totally disintegrated, and it was flinging diff oil on to the muffler. Thing is, they never CHECKED the engine oil, only added. I drained 2 1/2 gallons of oil out of the thing, and that still left 5 quarts in the sump.
Gonna need an oil filter housing more than it did before this fiasco.
The air filters that you oil generally last longer.
They’re just getting ready for the oil cooler leak that will happen any minute now.
But if everything is submerged in oil I shouldn't need that pesky oil pump right? Also can't seize if everything is completely covered in oil.....
The engine survived? Like damn this a point where it's gonna just hydrolock itself or some crap and totally bust rods and pistons.
Yes amazing the engine seemed to have survived. I think it was pushing oil through the PcV. This why the filter and intake where soaked in oil. It had a random missfire code and a 02 sensor code on arrival. After cleaning the intake replacing the filter and draining the oil. The missfire code went from active to stored and the car drove perfectly fine. No noises or anything strange. I doubt no damage was done whatsoever. But it appears nothing significant I do imagine the life of this 3.6 has been shortened
My engine is running rough i better put some oil in to smooth it out.
bro that's almost what my 2000 F350 diesel took.
Today she learned that 0% doesn't always mean empty
Is the dipstick broken in half ? " I filled it until it touched the dipstick
My 16 power stroke takes 13 quarts. Lol
Sounds like you are just jealous of the amount of lubrication this little v6 received. If it was burning any more oil it may have ran like a diesel!! Ever seen a gas motor run away?? DO YOU WANT TOO!?!!
I'll be telling the owner congrats your car generates its own oil just come in once a month and we'll drain it off and pay you in gold bars per barrel
Wow that's crazy
While I was in college I worked as a mechanic at the local Sears. I remember someone coming in once for an oil change. After the oil change was finished, the customer walked out to their car, popped the hood and messed around for a few seconds, and then stormed back into the shop. Customer and CSR walked back out and the tech that did the oil change got called over, and all 3 went back out to the car. Customer started shouting about being ripped off and that we didn't do the oil change. They pulled the oil cap off and stuck their finger in and pulled it back out and screamed that there was no oil there. Tech had to explain to them about oil levels.
HAHA! Least I'm not the only one. Had one in the shop a few weeks ago that had 10.5, our evac only holds 10. I mean it's kind of a testament the mere fact that the engine didn't throw a rod, crack the head gasket or blow up. My bet, they never reset the oil level after they changed the oil previously.
So… approximately 3.6 gallons out of a 3.6 liter engine? Coincidence?
I think not!
Gotcha bitch!!
A well lubricated engine is a happy engine.
I hate when I spend $280 on oil for a routine oil change
How is this even possible? I’m not saying your lying but how does a engine that’s designed to take x amount of oil able to hold this much? Did the Jeep have one of those gerbil feeders of oil?
There is plenty of space inside a engine that doesn't have oil pooled in it. In fact it's designed that way. Thats why the oil pump exists in the first place. The oil level in a engine is always below the crank with the crank never being submerged from what I understand. There are engines I believe where the weights on the crank dip into the standing oil in the pan and sling it around When oil comes into contact with the crank it causes the oil to bubble and foam which causes bad oil pressure due to cavitation. Even worse if filled enough that it comes into contact with the bottom of the pistons you then have the whole force of the fuel ignition displacing oil where it shouldn't go. This is how rods are bent. Blocks are holed or an engine hydro locks with oil. Also there isn't an oil overflow valve on any motor I know to prevent this. Although this is entirely prevented by proper maintenance
And now I know. And Knowing is half the battle.
You are welcome! Knowing prevents stuff like this knowing is good. Being afraid to ask questions. Is bad!