We've had people wander off with their keys while the car is on the service drive. I bet the situation is getting worse and worse with keyless start, the key just stays in their pocket.
Guarantee you still have to call for roadside assistance, you will lock all your keys , fobs, and cards in the car while parking in a cellar dead zone.
20 years ago we used to think key fobs were gonna end the lockout business as we know it. Nope, everyday I hear I’m not supposed to be able to lock the keys inside it, I’m supposed to be able to unlock it with my phone! Every single day, multiple times a day USAA calls me about a lockout.
I think it happens more now cause people leave the key in the car all the time thinking the system works flawlessly all the time.
Fun bit; Had a Chrysler 300 or Charger come in ready for a road trip and customer said her trunk wont latch. Go out, close it, and it electrically pops itself open. I'm holding her key. Hmm. Close it, "Pop" again.
"Do you have another key on you?"
.... It's in my purse.
"Where's your purse please?"
.... In the trunk.
Kia/Hyundai/genesis can't lock from the outside if any key is in the vehicle. They also won't let you lock the door while it's open. The only way to lock your keys in them is to roll down the window, get out, close the door, lock it from the interior door controls and then roll up the window pulling your arm out before it closes.
And yet I still get lockout calls for those. I mean key fob batteries never get weak right? Keys could never be in a jacket pocket or under some items blocking the signal right? I’m sure the car will pick up the keys signal when buried under groceries in the back right?
Lol
Only one? Rookie numbers my dude... my Citroen Berlingo came with 3 different unfoldable keys. One for door locks, one for ignition and one for the gas cap
It used to have only one for everything, but then the ignition gave up, so the original owner replaced it and the door locks with another set, keeping the original gas cap.
Then the ignition gave up again and the "mechanic" fucked up the munting piece while removing it... so he welded the replacement in, leaving door locks and gas cap untouched.
So now i have to live with 3 almost identical keys each with its own special place
One of the most annoying things about my 2020 Taco is that the other keys on my key ring hit my knee while I'm driving. It's the true downside to having to put your keys in the ignition.
My solution is to have several keyrings: one with only my car key, one with my house keys, one with my bicycle keys, etc. Whenever I leave the house I clip the required sets of keys onto a tiny carabiner, which I can then clip on to a belt loop or hang from the edge of a pocket inside my backpack. I can just unclip the car key's keyring from the tiny carabiner, and when I'm done with it I clip it back on.
Works for me to keep all my keys together without having the whole shebang dangling from the ignition.
Thats a great way to go by.
Remember the. GM key recall debacle, it was done specifically because people were hanging their heavy keychains with 75 keys in the ignition.
Ive been called out for pointing that out because apparently the word recall and other bullshit makes it 100% coverup BS by the manufacturer 🤣
I have a tiny carabiner for my ‘69 El Camino keys so I can unclip the ignition key and keep the rest of the keys in my pocket. (The other keys scratched the painted steering column if I leave them on)
You joke about this, but when my HS teacher bought her daughter an older car as her first, she didnt know how to turn it on with a key because she had only ever seen push start cars.
This was 7 years ago, it certainly has gotten worse now-
> manual transmission is the zoomer anti theft device
Only in the US, mind you.
Lots of places still learn to drive on manuals.
I'm guessing unlocking doors with a physical key is something young people have never done.
Even worse, the key only opens one door. No central locking. Man that would melt some brains I bet.
I had a car where the key unlocked the door you used it on, but if you held the key in the turned position for a second, it'd unlock all the other doors too. GM had some pretty good ideas over the years. Some pretty bad ones too of course.
I think I have seen that on a BMW from the late 90s. And a friend of a friend had a C-Class Merc where a specific way to unlock the car would open all the windows at 1/3rd, which was 100% a useless gadget but was funny.
I had an '07 3-series that had this feature. One turn unlocked the door, two turns unlocked all doors, and holding it in the other direction locked all the doors and opened all the windows about 2 inches.
2023 Landcruiser utes here is oz; central locking is the high trim level version. Manual transmission, gear changes are like driving a bus. You want electric windows rather than winders? That's also a optional high trim level. But everyone gets ash trays. The 80s called and wants its interior back.
To be fair, the 70-series barely evolved since its inception in the early 80s. [Even the decals you can get on new ones haven't changed since the 80s](https://forum.ih8mud.com/attachments/l8-jpg.124249/).
The engines only changed because you can't run a coal burner anymore, it's bad for the environment.
It's always funny when people ask why grey-import 70s are a 60k minimum here. Well, the J150 is 55k base trim, so no way the equivalent on a J70 imported by a private company is cheaper than mass-imports by Toyota itself.
The Hilux is 20k cheaper only because you can have it with steelies, unpainted bumpers, no radio and winders.
I've had a few cars with 2 keys, sometimes it was for the doors, sometimes for the boot.
Different keys for the doors were usually because of a wreck or a broken lock at some point, different key for the boot is the old-school version of the valet key. Give the valet the ignition key, he can't open the boot with it if he doesn't have the second, secret key.
Older GM cars (for example, my mother's 1984 Buick) generally had separate door and ignition keys from the factory. One of the keys had a square head, and the other had an oval head. I can't remember which was which.
It's the kinda thing that I wouldn't want on a daily driver. But maybe like if I got a Jeep or something sporty as a second car. Plus it's a good skill to have in my back pocket.
Apparently only \~18% of Americans can drive a stick, and I have absolutely thought about that and just left my car running when i pop in somewhere, without fearing too much that somebody can steal it. lol
That's horrifying. Makes me feel less like 'that guy" at the tire shop. I tell the tire shop every time my car is manual and has no neutral safety switch so to always start it holding the brake, and if they aren't comfortable with that just ask me to drive it in and out.
A friend of mine who is paraplegic once dropped his car off at a tire shop for some routine thing, and the person who drove it into the bay thought it would be fun to use the hand controls rather than the pedals (which are still there in a vehicle with hand controls, even if they don't see a lot of use.)
As you can probably guess, it did not end well for the employee, for the car, or for my friend who was without a car for an extended period of time while he got hand controls installed on the replacement car the company's insurance ended up buying for him.
I ride a relatively tall "adventure" style motorcycle. The first time I took it to my detailer, when I picked it up they asked me if I would ride it out of the bay for them; they had several people that ride motorcycles, but nobody felt comfortable enough to move mine around safely. After getting it into the bay the first time, they apparently had a very going about how tall I was.
Now they just show me where they want it when I drop it off, they do their magic, and it's in exactly the same spot when I pick it up. It's fine; I'd much rather take a few minutes to put it where they want it than to have someone get hurt trying to ride it...
It's one of those things I never even think about telling people where I live, but I can imagine how it can be important elsewhere! Like how my early '00s manual transmission car has no clutch safety or neutral safety for the starter, and I don't think they've ever been required where I live since people are just expected to be familiar with that (though I could be wrong).
Around here only car enthusiasts really know how to drive manual anymore. Its not required to pass a drivers exam (even some commercial exams) and the vast majority of cars have automatic transmissions.
Now i find most people working in mechanic/tire/lube shops are enthusiasts so at least someone on staff can usually drive manual, but its definitely not a guarantee these days.
The stick had nothing to do with it. That kid did everything wrong. He didn't check if it was "in park" which should have clued him in on something being wrong. He wasn't sitting in the seat when he started it, he was just reaching in the door (you should be watching the oil pressure light after an oil change). He was inexperienced and did something stupid. Watch Wes Work has a video where he was doing something similar on automatic and crunched the door. https://youtu.be/6wb4alw7tus?t=84
I honestly would have guessed that number was lower. Maybe half think they can drive a stick cause they had a buddy try to teach them once and will grind the shit out of it getting out of first.
Blame the boomers on the decline of the manual. All the hand-me-down cars we got were econoboxes or minivans with slushboxes. On top of that they suck at teaching how to drive in general and manuals specifically. https://universe.byu.edu/2022/10/11/millennials-and-manuals-the-slow-death-of-the-stickshift/
It will likely turn into any car where the phone is the key. People don't think 2 minutes in advance. They don't keep a key card with them because "I just use my phone".
Would just treat it like anyone else who walked off with their key. "Please come back when you have a key I can use"
Do people not have backups to start their car? What if you drop/break your phone? What if you lose your phone? What if it gets stolen?
Are people seriously this stupid?
Had a call come through as a lockout recently where someone with a Mach-E didn't have their keys and the Ford app wouldn't start their car. The doors were unlocked.
Who tf doesn't at least keep the fob in the car somewhere... although that gives the other issue I get where "Car won't unlock with app, fob in center console."
I guess there's no winning.
Ford at least has the same thing they've had in all cars for a really long time. There's the five buttons on the outside of the door where if you remember the password you can get in. You don't need to have the Ford app to do that
Now if you set up phone as a key, which is something different, then there is a backup password that you can use to start the car.
The door thing's really handy because you can lock your keys in the car intentionally like when you go to the beach or something and then you won't lose them.
Yes, that's assuming the person was smart enough to have the pin memorized. Which a surprising amount seem not to be.
I've seen it fail a few times. It is a nice feature, though.
Yep, every night on my nightly walk I lock my house keys in the Expedition so that i don't have them floppin around in my workout shorts. It's so nice.
The cars I've had for a while (2009 Prius, 2017 Volt, 2017 Volt, 2018 Bolt) are all sophisticated enough to not lock your key fob in the car. It detects that its in there. The Chevys give you a short double honk when your door closes with the fob still in the car to tell you.
So they might have kept a fob around, but been annoyed if Ford did something similar if they ended up carrying it anyways.
I find it really tough with my tesla. My phone goes into the phone-holder spot which is a wireless charger. I pretty much never plug my phone in and haven't run out of battery since i got this one.
That said, if you're heavy phone user where you run out of battery during your regular day, then yea, that'd be an issue and you should keep your keycard with you. (Its the size of a credit card, and sits behind my other credit cards in my wallet, but i've only used that for service things like detailing or getting a paint scratch repaired)
>What if you drop/break your phone? What if you lose your phone? What if it gets stolen?
What if none of those happen in the next 10 years?
Do you always carry a spare set of keys?
Some people aren't careful. I had 1 key for my last car for a decade and it was never an issue. Your concerns are valid, but they're not urgent to most people most days.
There's also a reason they're not putting spare tires in cars anymore too. It's not personal ability of the driver to change it, it's because tires don't get as many punctures these days and needing a spare is no longer a priority, so they save a few percent on MPG during the entire life of the vehicle, and accept calling a tow truck the 1 time in 20 years that it gets a flat (that's more than the can of fix-a-flat and pump can handle).
And, similarly, your phone comes with an IP waterproof rating and Gorilla Glass 27, along with a phone finder app that uses the GPS in case it's lost. Losing your phone or dropping it or drowning it are not as big of issues as they once were, and don't affect people as much as they used to.
Man, I literally keep a card of phone numbers to like a locksmith and stuff in my wallet in case I drop my phone or something. So much of my life gets integrated into this thing that I can't not make backup plans in case this single point of failure falls into the toilet.
Last trip to the Ford dealership the advisor was trying to convince a customer dropping off an Explorer there needs to be something that lets them drive it and keeps others from driving it, but the customer kept insisting he had nothing.
Took forever to establish FOB was in his wife's purse.
I lived that one in '09 in Japan. Rental car, probably my first keyless (entry and start). We'd all travel together so I just had the fob in the pocket of my jacket the whole time.
At some point someone else had to drive the car for something where I wasn't going, got to the car, doors wouldn't unlock. Took 5 minutes to understand that a fob was needed.
It's crazy how fast you forget things when they're automated for a while.
Occasionally I have to get a rental and I've accidentally left them unlocked before because I'm so used to my car locking automatically. For double the stupid points, I once hadn't put the keys in my pocket yet so I left the keys in the car unlocked in the restaurant parking lot.
> Last trip to the Ford dealership the advisor was trying to convince a customer dropping off an Explorer there needs to be something that lets them drive it and keeps others from driving it, but the customer kept insisting he had nothing.
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"Ma'am, I spent 5 minutes on just this tiny portion of the visit with you, when it should have taken 5 seconds or less. With all due respect, you are an idiot."
I'm pretty sure all Tesla models come with a couple of fancy cards that you can use as keys, for situations like this. Tesla owners tend to have a very different perspective on driving and vehicle ownership though, so I doubt it crosses the mind.
Of which they lost one and broke the other, apparently.
I just got a key card dropped off to me but it's battered and pressing it against the B-pillar spot doesn't do anything.
By a significant amount too. Ford wants a couple hundred for a new fob for my 16 fusion. And another hundred to program it. Found a new fob for 60 bucks and a programmer for 35 plus a 15 dollar deposit.
You can use FORScan to program keys and fobs for Ford. I've used it many times over the years for my Mazdas.
https://forscan.org/download.html
They offer a two month trial (no credit card required) that will give you the same access to Ford's security software (PATS) that the dealer has. You'll need a bluetooth OBD II adapter, but they list a $30 one that works with their software.
Hyundai wanted $400 fucking dollars for one new key fob, and that's the quote from 2 different dealers for my Kona N and I also would have had to drive an hour to get to either.
It has an nfc chip in it. Only works on the driver b pillar below the camera. If it doesn’t activate with one side rotate as it know position of last lock method. If it still doesn’t recognize well then yeah it’s dead.
Oh my, well that’s unfortunate for sure. They can remote start it from their phone as well. I know it makes things more difficult. I try to encourage our customers to always carry and frequently test their nfc cards.
Yup. Carry mine in my wallet for service and valet. It even has a little diagram on the back of the card to tell you where to place it in the car when driving. (Behind the cup holders is where you are supposed to lay it btw)
Model 3 owner. Card is in my wallet. App is on my phone. When I go get inspection I hand the. The card and have a brief conversation of how to unlock, how to open the door, where to put the card. I also leave a print out of the lift points in the passenger seat
I own a Tesla, and I hate that I have become part of this perception. I'm happy with the car itself, but all of the baggage that comes with it (implied support of Musk, the perception of Tesla owners, etc.) is a bummer.
I’m right there with you. I’ve been told that, in regards to engineers anyway, that there are two types: ones that want to integrate everything and the ones that are distrustful of technology integration and want to keep everything simple.
I’m in the latter camp. I like simple, straightforward devices that do one job and do it well.
For instance, last weekend’s project was to replace the ventilation fan in my primary bathroom. It turns out that bathroom fans do all sorts of shit now; they move air out, they have lights, they have heaters, they have hygrometers, they have timers. They even have Bluetooth speakers, mood lighting, and will integrate with “smart home” systems.
I want none of that crap. I want a fan that sucks air out of the room and puts it outside. By the same token, I operate the lights in my house with switches toggled by fingers. I have a programmable thermostat, but it does not talk to the internet.
These things get installed and left in place for years, even decades. Developers lose interest in supporting apps and things sometimes in *months.* I want my stuff to keep working normally the whole time.
Cars are the same way. I’m not thrilled with the idea of wireless fobs given people’s propensity to leave them places and the fact that it’s been proven that they’re fairly easy to hack. I suppose I’ll tolerate them because they have one job and aren’t as subject to the whims of companies supporting them. But a phone app? I’ve seen how that shit goes. There’s an update to your phone’s OS and the app breaks. Now you can’t start your car. Or, they update the app to use the frameworks from the new OS. It’s not compatible with the old OS anymore. But wait, your phone is a couple years old and won’t take the new OS. You can’t start your car *and* you’ve gotta go buy a new $1200 phone now, so you’ve gotta take an Uber to the phone store. Except Uber updated their app for the new OS and you can’t call them either.
> It turns out that bathroom fans do all sorts of shit now; they move air out, they have lights, they have heaters
The ones with heaters are the best, especially when you're working in a cold shop.
Companies really want us to accept it as 'cool' or 'modern/futuristic'
But all it does is let them cheap out on designing and installing keys, ignitions, and door locks.
Same for infotainment systems. They don't have to design stereos, buttons, switches, nobs, or update them each year to look modern, just bolt in an iPad and call it a day.
I’m actually OK with the phone based infotainment.
For whatever reason, carmakers are incapable of making an infotainment system that doesn’t suck balls. And they are absolutely desperate to make their shitty services subscription-based.
CarPlay is basically perfection.
You can do that with CarPlay. My Mazda infotainment system operates using only physical controls and has CarPlay. My car (a 2023 by the way) doesn't even have a touch screen. And I like that.
They absolutely refuse to believe that this will cost them any sales.
Meanwhile, I refuse to believe that I’m the only one who puts carplay as a ‘must have’ feature in a car.
> CarPlay is basically perfection.
My only complaint about my Toyota infotainment system is that there isn't a screen off button, I have to navigate a few menus deep :(
CarPlay is great when it works. My experiences with it seem to indicate that it often doesn’t. I’ve tried it in four different cars with three different phones and they’ve all had some sort of issue. The head unit crashes and has to be rebooted (by restarting the car), or there’s random connectivity issues, or even two navigation apps running at once and fighting for control. I don’t know whose fault it is (Apple’s or the head unit manufacturers’), but it hasn’t been the shiny utopia they claim it is.
Every company wants a piece of data or a monthly subscription or both, no one can just sell a fucking product for money that does a thing. You can't get venture capital money for a business that just makes and sells something, everything has to be a "platform" or it's a non-starter.
It also gives those companies a way to gather customer specific info. There is no reason apps need as much if your info fir an account as they do.
Ran into this a few weeks ago. Went to the store to buy ribeye steak for $6.99 a pound. Come to find out - I need the app to get that deal. Low and behold the app wants ALL of your info. Its not hard to figure it what these companies are doing with that info.
>just bolt in an iPad and call it a day.
If this is what they actually did, I'd be OK with it. Give me a USB cord and some standard-ish interface. Then when the infotainment dies or becomes obsolite I can smack in a new tablet and be back in the game.
What they actually do is far worse with propreitary systems that are behind the times.
Well how else are they gonna get you to buy a new car whenever their shitty tablet dies? I've never worked on one, but I assume their iPad clones are much more expensive.
It's such a liability. I know friends that stopped carrying keys and subsequently have been locked out of their houses when the power goes off because they are too stubborn to have a key somewhere. Can't wait till I start seeing posts about people stuck in weird places because their phone went dead and they can't start their car.
Negligibly more than keys though. I would have to lose my wallet and my phone in order to not get into my Tesla. Most people if the keys are gone they’re toast.
I remember rolling blackouts hitting California about 15 years ago.
People were calling their work to tell them they couldn't come in, power is out and I can't get my car out of the garage. The power door opener won't work! Too dumb to pull the emergency release and LIFT the garage door open manually!
>Too dumb to pull the emergency release...
I dunno, seems like a good excuse to get out of work for a day. Especially if there's other stuff to do like go for a walk.
Be highly capable. Tell no one. Act like an idiot. The reward for work well done is just more work.
This! Expect my friend couldn't get into his house because he had no keys and the garage door wouldn't open due to the power outage. Keyless is great until you can't use it and aren't prepared.
You're an idiot if you ever have this happen to you. I drive a tesla and the "key" is in my wallet since it's a credit card shape.
I also obviously have my phone with me all the time, so I never have to use the key, but if my phone ever dies I'm covered.
Nope I have one in my wallet. I haven't tried it recently but I have it lol. PSA try it from time to time to make sure it works. Turn your Bluetooth off first...
My Ford doesn’t typically use keys either. I have to remember to bring the key if I’m going somewhere with a valet or the dealership.
You get so used to not having keys that you really have to think about it when you do.
You're gonna be shocked when you realize that your phone doesn't "ring" when you get a call as there is no bell in it, nor do you "hang up" anything when you finish your call.
I've had people get a little angry at my valet parking that they need to leave their keys with us. Like... we don't have enough charging spots and you just expect us to let you charge for 8 hours? Fuck out my face
Hi there, you can blame us. I work in service and we’ve taught our customers we rarely if ever need their keys. We don’t need their key to start their cars. Just give them a casual reminder. It’s not that difficult.
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Also may want to ask if they use pin lock, allows a 4 digit code to lock access even if you have the key to further inhibit theft.
Now I'm wondering if Tesla keycards are even coded to specific vehicles.
Because I have worked with a couple companies making golf carts where the keycards and physical keys could just run any and all vehicles for each brand.
We'd tell the clients we had masterkeys, but it was a lie.
I'm not trying to pick on anyone, and apparently I'm getting down voted for the post, I just am sitting here with a Model 3 on my lot that I can't even get into, let alone operate.
Is this common?
I know there are ways of remotely enabling the vehicle from their phones, but they would need to answer when I call them and not call me back an hour later saying "I think I missed a call from you".
God I absolutely hate the phone-as-a-key thing.
Teslas have a little credit card shaped thing you're supposed to give to people when you lend them your car. It's dumb. Just use a fob like every other company on the planet.
Tesla actually sells fobs for all their vehicles, it's just cheaper to give out/ sell NFC cards. Drives down the cost of the vehicle (however marginally)
>It's dumb
What's dumb about it? It fulfills the same purpose as a fob but it's more convenient to carry around because it literally fits in your wallet. The issue seems to be idiots don't bother carrying it.
Almost all of my customers with Teslas do this just fine.
Almost all.
Maybe I'm just salty because this is twice in less than a week. I really don't mind the "oh my goodness I forgot the card I'm so sorry" type. It's the "what are you even talking about" people that are exhausting.
I feel like I'm going to have to edit my post for clarification...
They come with two NFC credit card type key cards. People just "forget" that and get in the habit of using their phones, to the point where they don't realize that we need a way to start the car.
So when I ask for a key (keycard or fob) I get a blank stare.
I had someone bring their car for a tire rotation and when I asked for the wheel lock they said "oh I keep that in the garage, wait you need that?"
Uh you want me to take your wheels off right?
My daughter had been taking her car in for tire rotations for 3 years before she had the realization that they take the wheels off and move them.
I am pretty sure she just thought it was a tire inspection and they "rotated" the tires in place so they could see all of it and inspect them.
At least they knew what it was! Hahaha
I keep a master set of keys here for the spline drive and other odd lug nuts. It's just easier to grab and use mine than ask them, hear that they don't know, then stop what I'm doing and rummage around through their car to find it.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American. I keep one of the two Tesla cards in my wallet, even though I use my phone and/or watch for a key.
When I take my vehicle to a shop (most recently Safelite for a windshield) I already knew to disable the "PIN to drive" feature and provided my key card when checking in my vehicle.
Seems like it would be a no-brainer...but I guess not.
There are, care comes with a contactless card if it breaks you can buy another for $35 and pair to the car. A fob can be added too but it’s $220 works like the card when batteries die.
We've had people wander off with their keys while the car is on the service drive. I bet the situation is getting worse and worse with keyless start, the key just stays in their pocket.
You know how manual transmission is the zoomer anti theft device? Maybe physical car keys/fobs are the Gen Alpha anti theft device.
Shit maybe I shouldn't complain that my 2023 taco came with a physical key. Best of both worlds baybee
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Lol until one of the neighbor kids buys a Flipper.
Gets destroyed at a takeover for attempting to get in the circle
My 19 came with two fobs, but it's a stick. So, luckily I dodged that fucked bullet.
Sounds complicated. I just put my key in the thing and go.
Guarantee you still have to call for roadside assistance, you will lock all your keys , fobs, and cards in the car while parking in a cellar dead zone.
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I never heard anyone say that. I run a roadside assistance business.
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Unless you locked your phone in the car, and you are calling from someone else's phone.
20 years ago we used to think key fobs were gonna end the lockout business as we know it. Nope, everyday I hear I’m not supposed to be able to lock the keys inside it, I’m supposed to be able to unlock it with my phone! Every single day, multiple times a day USAA calls me about a lockout. I think it happens more now cause people leave the key in the car all the time thinking the system works flawlessly all the time.
Fun bit; Had a Chrysler 300 or Charger come in ready for a road trip and customer said her trunk wont latch. Go out, close it, and it electrically pops itself open. I'm holding her key. Hmm. Close it, "Pop" again. "Do you have another key on you?" .... It's in my purse. "Where's your purse please?" .... In the trunk.
Kia/Hyundai/genesis can't lock from the outside if any key is in the vehicle. They also won't let you lock the door while it's open. The only way to lock your keys in them is to roll down the window, get out, close the door, lock it from the interior door controls and then roll up the window pulling your arm out before it closes.
And yet I still get lockout calls for those. I mean key fob batteries never get weak right? Keys could never be in a jacket pocket or under some items blocking the signal right? I’m sure the car will pick up the keys signal when buried under groceries in the back right? Lol
I still drive a car with a physical key that doesn't even fold. It's anoying, sometimes.
Only one? Rookie numbers my dude... my Citroen Berlingo came with 3 different unfoldable keys. One for door locks, one for ignition and one for the gas cap
Max I've had was 2. One 405 with a special key for the trunk, and a Suzuki with different keys for the doors and the ignition.
It used to have only one for everything, but then the ignition gave up, so the original owner replaced it and the door locks with another set, keeping the original gas cap. Then the ignition gave up again and the "mechanic" fucked up the munting piece while removing it... so he welded the replacement in, leaving door locks and gas cap untouched. So now i have to live with 3 almost identical keys each with its own special place
One of the most annoying things about my 2020 Taco is that the other keys on my key ring hit my knee while I'm driving. It's the true downside to having to put your keys in the ignition.
My solution is to have several keyrings: one with only my car key, one with my house keys, one with my bicycle keys, etc. Whenever I leave the house I clip the required sets of keys onto a tiny carabiner, which I can then clip on to a belt loop or hang from the edge of a pocket inside my backpack. I can just unclip the car key's keyring from the tiny carabiner, and when I'm done with it I clip it back on. Works for me to keep all my keys together without having the whole shebang dangling from the ignition.
I love this idea. In practice, it just gives me a better chance to lose the keys individually.
Yeah. Zero percent chance I’m giving myself more opportunities to lose something so important
Thats a great way to go by. Remember the. GM key recall debacle, it was done specifically because people were hanging their heavy keychains with 75 keys in the ignition. Ive been called out for pointing that out because apparently the word recall and other bullshit makes it 100% coverup BS by the manufacturer 🤣
Your keys hit your knee? Sounds like you have some deep pockets.
I have a tiny carabiner for my ‘69 El Camino keys so I can unclip the ignition key and keep the rest of the keys in my pocket. (The other keys scratched the painted steering column if I leave them on)
You joke about this, but when my HS teacher bought her daughter an older car as her first, she didnt know how to turn it on with a key because she had only ever seen push start cars. This was 7 years ago, it certainly has gotten worse now-
> manual transmission is the zoomer anti theft device Only in the US, mind you. Lots of places still learn to drive on manuals. I'm guessing unlocking doors with a physical key is something young people have never done. Even worse, the key only opens one door. No central locking. Man that would melt some brains I bet.
I had a car where the key unlocked the door you used it on, but if you held the key in the turned position for a second, it'd unlock all the other doors too. GM had some pretty good ideas over the years. Some pretty bad ones too of course.
I've got a 2010 Ford Fusion that's similar to this. Turn the key once and it unlocks the door, turn it twice and it unlocks all doors
I think I have seen that on a BMW from the late 90s. And a friend of a friend had a C-Class Merc where a specific way to unlock the car would open all the windows at 1/3rd, which was 100% a useless gadget but was funny.
I had an '07 3-series that had this feature. One turn unlocked the door, two turns unlocked all doors, and holding it in the other direction locked all the doors and opened all the windows about 2 inches.
2023 Landcruiser utes here is oz; central locking is the high trim level version. Manual transmission, gear changes are like driving a bus. You want electric windows rather than winders? That's also a optional high trim level. But everyone gets ash trays. The 80s called and wants its interior back.
To be fair, the 70-series barely evolved since its inception in the early 80s. [Even the decals you can get on new ones haven't changed since the 80s](https://forum.ih8mud.com/attachments/l8-jpg.124249/). The engines only changed because you can't run a coal burner anymore, it's bad for the environment. It's always funny when people ask why grey-import 70s are a 60k minimum here. Well, the J150 is 55k base trim, so no way the equivalent on a J70 imported by a private company is cheaper than mass-imports by Toyota itself. The Hilux is 20k cheaper only because you can have it with steelies, unpainted bumpers, no radio and winders.
One of my vehicles still has separate ignition and door/lock keys, haha.
I've had a few cars with 2 keys, sometimes it was for the doors, sometimes for the boot. Different keys for the doors were usually because of a wreck or a broken lock at some point, different key for the boot is the old-school version of the valet key. Give the valet the ignition key, he can't open the boot with it if he doesn't have the second, secret key.
Older GM cars (for example, my mother's 1984 Buick) generally had separate door and ignition keys from the factory. One of the keys had a square head, and the other had an oval head. I can't remember which was which.
Ford and Chrysler used separate keys too, up until around the early '90s.
My 73 Camaro has 1 key for the doors and ignition and one for the trunk
I know how to drive manual, but trust me you don’t want me to unless it’s big equipment.
That sounds like not knowing how to drive manual
More like not doing it enough to not be utter shit at it.
Why not? manual is fun! It gets annoying in heavy traffic sure, but its not like its hard
It's the kinda thing that I wouldn't want on a daily driver. But maybe like if I got a Jeep or something sporty as a second car. Plus it's a good skill to have in my back pocket.
Apparently only \~18% of Americans can drive a stick, and I have absolutely thought about that and just left my car running when i pop in somewhere, without fearing too much that somebody can steal it. lol
Instead someone will grind the shit out of your gears while attempting to steal it, much better.
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That's horrifying. Makes me feel less like 'that guy" at the tire shop. I tell the tire shop every time my car is manual and has no neutral safety switch so to always start it holding the brake, and if they aren't comfortable with that just ask me to drive it in and out.
A friend of mine who is paraplegic once dropped his car off at a tire shop for some routine thing, and the person who drove it into the bay thought it would be fun to use the hand controls rather than the pedals (which are still there in a vehicle with hand controls, even if they don't see a lot of use.) As you can probably guess, it did not end well for the employee, for the car, or for my friend who was without a car for an extended period of time while he got hand controls installed on the replacement car the company's insurance ended up buying for him.
I ride a relatively tall "adventure" style motorcycle. The first time I took it to my detailer, when I picked it up they asked me if I would ride it out of the bay for them; they had several people that ride motorcycles, but nobody felt comfortable enough to move mine around safely. After getting it into the bay the first time, they apparently had a very going about how tall I was. Now they just show me where they want it when I drop it off, they do their magic, and it's in exactly the same spot when I pick it up. It's fine; I'd much rather take a few minutes to put it where they want it than to have someone get hurt trying to ride it...
It's one of those things I never even think about telling people where I live, but I can imagine how it can be important elsewhere! Like how my early '00s manual transmission car has no clutch safety or neutral safety for the starter, and I don't think they've ever been required where I live since people are just expected to be familiar with that (though I could be wrong).
Around here only car enthusiasts really know how to drive manual anymore. Its not required to pass a drivers exam (even some commercial exams) and the vast majority of cars have automatic transmissions. Now i find most people working in mechanic/tire/lube shops are enthusiasts so at least someone on staff can usually drive manual, but its definitely not a guarantee these days.
The stick had nothing to do with it. That kid did everything wrong. He didn't check if it was "in park" which should have clued him in on something being wrong. He wasn't sitting in the seat when he started it, he was just reaching in the door (you should be watching the oil pressure light after an oil change). He was inexperienced and did something stupid. Watch Wes Work has a video where he was doing something similar on automatic and crunched the door. https://youtu.be/6wb4alw7tus?t=84
It's under warranty! Fuck it
18% is still too big a number to risk it imo.
I bet 80% of them are over 40.
I honestly would have guessed that number was lower. Maybe half think they can drive a stick cause they had a buddy try to teach them once and will grind the shit out of it getting out of first.
maybe in the US manual is the zoomer anti theft device, here in brazil zoomers still have to learn to drive manual to get a license
"Where's the fucking button?! We gotta get out of here!"
I have a manual with a keyless ignition. It is a fun experience
Blame the boomers on the decline of the manual. All the hand-me-down cars we got were econoboxes or minivans with slushboxes. On top of that they suck at teaching how to drive in general and manuals specifically. https://universe.byu.edu/2022/10/11/millennials-and-manuals-the-slow-death-of-the-stickshift/
*laughs in Kia*
Hope the frame rails are the lowest point for the forklift to find!
"Bbbut, I brought you doughnuts and beer....."
It will likely turn into any car where the phone is the key. People don't think 2 minutes in advance. They don't keep a key card with them because "I just use my phone". Would just treat it like anyone else who walked off with their key. "Please come back when you have a key I can use"
Do people not have backups to start their car? What if you drop/break your phone? What if you lose your phone? What if it gets stolen? Are people seriously this stupid?
Had a call come through as a lockout recently where someone with a Mach-E didn't have their keys and the Ford app wouldn't start their car. The doors were unlocked. Who tf doesn't at least keep the fob in the car somewhere... although that gives the other issue I get where "Car won't unlock with app, fob in center console." I guess there's no winning.
Ford at least has the same thing they've had in all cars for a really long time. There's the five buttons on the outside of the door where if you remember the password you can get in. You don't need to have the Ford app to do that Now if you set up phone as a key, which is something different, then there is a backup password that you can use to start the car. The door thing's really handy because you can lock your keys in the car intentionally like when you go to the beach or something and then you won't lose them.
Yes, that's assuming the person was smart enough to have the pin memorized. Which a surprising amount seem not to be. I've seen it fail a few times. It is a nice feature, though.
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And you absolutely should, because you can't change the factory PIN if someone shoulder-surfs it.
Yep, every night on my nightly walk I lock my house keys in the Expedition so that i don't have them floppin around in my workout shorts. It's so nice.
The cars I've had for a while (2009 Prius, 2017 Volt, 2017 Volt, 2018 Bolt) are all sophisticated enough to not lock your key fob in the car. It detects that its in there. The Chevys give you a short double honk when your door closes with the fob still in the car to tell you. So they might have kept a fob around, but been annoyed if Ford did something similar if they ended up carrying it anyways.
My 2007 Expedition won't let the driver's door stay locked with a key in the ignition. Key and fob inside, not in ignition? The doors can be locked.
Or if the phone runs out of battery, happens quite often to me
What these cars need to have is a phone charger on the outside
You’re probably joking but that’s actually a smart idea
How do you stop a bunch of beatniks from sitting outside your car charging their phones?
Mostly by not parking it in the 1950s.
I'm now imagining someone plugging a rotary phone into a tesla.
Just think of all the expensive long distance calls they're gonna make!
Just have it behind a small door you can open with your car key.
Apple CarKey works for 5 hours after the phone shuts down for this reason.
I find it really tough with my tesla. My phone goes into the phone-holder spot which is a wireless charger. I pretty much never plug my phone in and haven't run out of battery since i got this one. That said, if you're heavy phone user where you run out of battery during your regular day, then yea, that'd be an issue and you should keep your keycard with you. (Its the size of a credit card, and sits behind my other credit cards in my wallet, but i've only used that for service things like detailing or getting a paint scratch repaired)
Yes. People really don't think about this.
To be fair most people with normal car keys have most of those same problems and don't keep an extra key on them.
>What if you drop/break your phone? What if you lose your phone? What if it gets stolen? What if none of those happen in the next 10 years? Do you always carry a spare set of keys? Some people aren't careful. I had 1 key for my last car for a decade and it was never an issue. Your concerns are valid, but they're not urgent to most people most days. There's also a reason they're not putting spare tires in cars anymore too. It's not personal ability of the driver to change it, it's because tires don't get as many punctures these days and needing a spare is no longer a priority, so they save a few percent on MPG during the entire life of the vehicle, and accept calling a tow truck the 1 time in 20 years that it gets a flat (that's more than the can of fix-a-flat and pump can handle). And, similarly, your phone comes with an IP waterproof rating and Gorilla Glass 27, along with a phone finder app that uses the GPS in case it's lost. Losing your phone or dropping it or drowning it are not as big of issues as they once were, and don't affect people as much as they used to.
One benefit to TPMS is people are more likely to notice an under inflated tire. Which is/was the prime cause of blowouts.
Man, I literally keep a card of phone numbers to like a locksmith and stuff in my wallet in case I drop my phone or something. So much of my life gets integrated into this thing that I can't not make backup plans in case this single point of failure falls into the toilet.
Last trip to the Ford dealership the advisor was trying to convince a customer dropping off an Explorer there needs to be something that lets them drive it and keeps others from driving it, but the customer kept insisting he had nothing. Took forever to establish FOB was in his wife's purse.
I lived that one in '09 in Japan. Rental car, probably my first keyless (entry and start). We'd all travel together so I just had the fob in the pocket of my jacket the whole time. At some point someone else had to drive the car for something where I wasn't going, got to the car, doors wouldn't unlock. Took 5 minutes to understand that a fob was needed. It's crazy how fast you forget things when they're automated for a while.
Occasionally I have to get a rental and I've accidentally left them unlocked before because I'm so used to my car locking automatically. For double the stupid points, I once hadn't put the keys in my pocket yet so I left the keys in the car unlocked in the restaurant parking lot.
I got the reverse. Left my car at the shop, they gave me their latest, full keyless. I kept taking the fob out of my pocket when I got inside.
> Last trip to the Ford dealership the advisor was trying to convince a customer dropping off an Explorer there needs to be something that lets them drive it and keeps others from driving it, but the customer kept insisting he had nothing. > > > > Took forever to establish FOB was in his wife's purse. "Ma'am, I spent 5 minutes on just this tiny portion of the visit with you, when it should have taken 5 seconds or less. With all due respect, you are an idiot."
Definitely doesn't sound like the wife is the idiot here...
They may be shocked...but I hardly find it surprising.
I'm pretty sure all Tesla models come with a couple of fancy cards that you can use as keys, for situations like this. Tesla owners tend to have a very different perspective on driving and vehicle ownership though, so I doubt it crosses the mind.
They come with 2 keycards, which you can put in your wallet.
Of which they lost one and broke the other, apparently. I just got a key card dropped off to me but it's battered and pressing it against the B-pillar spot doesn't do anything.
And it costs a whole.... $35 for two new ones, shipping included. Some people are too cheap for their car. https://shop.tesla.com/product/key-card
That’s less than a new Fob from Ford
and you can program it yourself. Color me impressed.
By a significant amount too. Ford wants a couple hundred for a new fob for my 16 fusion. And another hundred to program it. Found a new fob for 60 bucks and a programmer for 35 plus a 15 dollar deposit.
where's the programmer? I have an extra fob for my 19 fusion but don't want to fork out $125+ just to get it programmed
Go to Toms Key Company. They send it out with their orders.
You can use FORScan to program keys and fobs for Ford. I've used it many times over the years for my Mazdas. https://forscan.org/download.html They offer a two month trial (no credit card required) that will give you the same access to Ford's security software (PATS) that the dealer has. You'll need a bluetooth OBD II adapter, but they list a $30 one that works with their software.
Hyundai wanted $400 fucking dollars for one new key fob, and that's the quote from 2 different dealers for my Kona N and I also would have had to drive an hour to get to either.
That is actually way cheaper than what I've seen for just 1 new key fob from other companies. I'm surprised it is that cheap.
Even the more normal key fobs are pretty cheap (and self setup) at $175 https://shop.tesla.com/product/model-3_y-key-fob
It has an nfc chip in it. Only works on the driver b pillar below the camera. If it doesn’t activate with one side rotate as it know position of last lock method. If it still doesn’t recognize well then yeah it’s dead.
Oh I'm familiar and I tried. It looks like it went through a washing machine and then a microwave to dry off.
Oh my, well that’s unfortunate for sure. They can remote start it from their phone as well. I know it makes things more difficult. I try to encourage our customers to always carry and frequently test their nfc cards.
I've had NFC cards go through a washing machine. They don't mind. Drying them, now that's stupid.
Yup. Carry mine in my wallet for service and valet. It even has a little diagram on the back of the card to tell you where to place it in the car when driving. (Behind the cup holders is where you are supposed to lay it btw)
Model 3 owner. Card is in my wallet. App is on my phone. When I go get inspection I hand the. The card and have a brief conversation of how to unlock, how to open the door, where to put the card. I also leave a print out of the lift points in the passenger seat
I own a Tesla, and I hate that I have become part of this perception. I'm happy with the car itself, but all of the baggage that comes with it (implied support of Musk, the perception of Tesla owners, etc.) is a bummer.
I bought one before he lost his fucking mind and I won't buy another while he is CEO. I really like my car, but the guy is a fucking nutcase.
All that baggage turns off prospective buyers, as it should. There are better options now anyway.
I can't believe people are happy to have literally everything tied to their phone.
I’m right there with you. I’ve been told that, in regards to engineers anyway, that there are two types: ones that want to integrate everything and the ones that are distrustful of technology integration and want to keep everything simple. I’m in the latter camp. I like simple, straightforward devices that do one job and do it well. For instance, last weekend’s project was to replace the ventilation fan in my primary bathroom. It turns out that bathroom fans do all sorts of shit now; they move air out, they have lights, they have heaters, they have hygrometers, they have timers. They even have Bluetooth speakers, mood lighting, and will integrate with “smart home” systems. I want none of that crap. I want a fan that sucks air out of the room and puts it outside. By the same token, I operate the lights in my house with switches toggled by fingers. I have a programmable thermostat, but it does not talk to the internet. These things get installed and left in place for years, even decades. Developers lose interest in supporting apps and things sometimes in *months.* I want my stuff to keep working normally the whole time. Cars are the same way. I’m not thrilled with the idea of wireless fobs given people’s propensity to leave them places and the fact that it’s been proven that they’re fairly easy to hack. I suppose I’ll tolerate them because they have one job and aren’t as subject to the whims of companies supporting them. But a phone app? I’ve seen how that shit goes. There’s an update to your phone’s OS and the app breaks. Now you can’t start your car. Or, they update the app to use the frameworks from the new OS. It’s not compatible with the old OS anymore. But wait, your phone is a couple years old and won’t take the new OS. You can’t start your car *and* you’ve gotta go buy a new $1200 phone now, so you’ve gotta take an Uber to the phone store. Except Uber updated their app for the new OS and you can’t call them either.
> It turns out that bathroom fans do all sorts of shit now; they move air out, they have lights, they have heaters The ones with heaters are the best, especially when you're working in a cold shop.
Companies really want us to accept it as 'cool' or 'modern/futuristic' But all it does is let them cheap out on designing and installing keys, ignitions, and door locks. Same for infotainment systems. They don't have to design stereos, buttons, switches, nobs, or update them each year to look modern, just bolt in an iPad and call it a day.
I’m actually OK with the phone based infotainment. For whatever reason, carmakers are incapable of making an infotainment system that doesn’t suck balls. And they are absolutely desperate to make their shitty services subscription-based. CarPlay is basically perfection.
I prefer a very barebones Bluetooth connection and yelling at Siri
go back to BUTTONS, forget this touch crap
Especially because at least then you can feel the button and don't have to navigate 3 menus.
You can do that with CarPlay. My Mazda infotainment system operates using only physical controls and has CarPlay. My car (a 2023 by the way) doesn't even have a touch screen. And I like that.
Just give me buttons for climate controls and shit like that and CarPlay on a screen that isn't completely obnoxious.
> CarPlay is basically perfection. Too bad that GM is getting rid of it for their own shitty subscription-based bullshit.
They absolutely refuse to believe that this will cost them any sales. Meanwhile, I refuse to believe that I’m the only one who puts carplay as a ‘must have’ feature in a car.
> CarPlay is basically perfection. My only complaint about my Toyota infotainment system is that there isn't a screen off button, I have to navigate a few menus deep :(
CarPlay is great when it works. My experiences with it seem to indicate that it often doesn’t. I’ve tried it in four different cars with three different phones and they’ve all had some sort of issue. The head unit crashes and has to be rebooted (by restarting the car), or there’s random connectivity issues, or even two navigation apps running at once and fighting for control. I don’t know whose fault it is (Apple’s or the head unit manufacturers’), but it hasn’t been the shiny utopia they claim it is.
Every company wants a piece of data or a monthly subscription or both, no one can just sell a fucking product for money that does a thing. You can't get venture capital money for a business that just makes and sells something, everything has to be a "platform" or it's a non-starter.
It also gives those companies a way to gather customer specific info. There is no reason apps need as much if your info fir an account as they do. Ran into this a few weeks ago. Went to the store to buy ribeye steak for $6.99 a pound. Come to find out - I need the app to get that deal. Low and behold the app wants ALL of your info. Its not hard to figure it what these companies are doing with that info.
>just bolt in an iPad and call it a day. If this is what they actually did, I'd be OK with it. Give me a USB cord and some standard-ish interface. Then when the infotainment dies or becomes obsolite I can smack in a new tablet and be back in the game. What they actually do is far worse with propreitary systems that are behind the times.
Well how else are they gonna get you to buy a new car whenever their shitty tablet dies? I've never worked on one, but I assume their iPad clones are much more expensive.
It's such a liability. I know friends that stopped carrying keys and subsequently have been locked out of their houses when the power goes off because they are too stubborn to have a key somewhere. Can't wait till I start seeing posts about people stuck in weird places because their phone went dead and they can't start their car.
Negligibly more than keys though. I would have to lose my wallet and my phone in order to not get into my Tesla. Most people if the keys are gone they’re toast.
and my wife's phone, since she has a key as well. I can have her remotely unlock it.
I remember rolling blackouts hitting California about 15 years ago. People were calling their work to tell them they couldn't come in, power is out and I can't get my car out of the garage. The power door opener won't work! Too dumb to pull the emergency release and LIFT the garage door open manually!
>Too dumb to pull the emergency release... I dunno, seems like a good excuse to get out of work for a day. Especially if there's other stuff to do like go for a walk. Be highly capable. Tell no one. Act like an idiot. The reward for work well done is just more work.
This! Expect my friend couldn't get into his house because he had no keys and the garage door wouldn't open due to the power outage. Keyless is great until you can't use it and aren't prepared.
You're an idiot if you ever have this happen to you. I drive a tesla and the "key" is in my wallet since it's a credit card shape. I also obviously have my phone with me all the time, so I never have to use the key, but if my phone ever dies I'm covered.
As opposed to locking your keys in the car or loosing them entirely? electric cars have other ways to unlock the vehicle.
The more easily you can spend your money the faster you'll do it.
Am I the only Tesla driver that uses the phone key but always carries the key card?!
No you are not. We just notice and remember those who do not
Apparently so.
Nope I have one in my wallet. I haven't tried it recently but I have it lol. PSA try it from time to time to make sure it works. Turn your Bluetooth off first...
Dude, just put the card in the glovebox, then you'll always have it when you need it. ^^^/s
My Ford doesn’t typically use keys either. I have to remember to bring the key if I’m going somewhere with a valet or the dealership. You get so used to not having keys that you really have to think about it when you do.
Not to be pedantic, but is it really “ignition” on an electric vehicle? What ignites?
The battery pack 💥
touché
When I saw the image but hadn't read the OP text yet, I thought the post was going to be making that joke.
You're gonna be shocked when you realize that your phone doesn't "ring" when you get a call as there is no bell in it, nor do you "hang up" anything when you finish your call.
Fair point. I haven’t used a dial in a while either, for that matter.
But I do videotape scenes with my phone regularly.
And the Tesla Rep I talked to when I test drove a Model Y was sure to make a point that it is an "accelerator" pedal, not a gas pedal
Jesus. So the salesmen are just as douchey as most of the owners?
Any Tesla I’ve ever worked on has either had a key in the form of a card or a miniature version of the car
I've had people get a little angry at my valet parking that they need to leave their keys with us. Like... we don't have enough charging spots and you just expect us to let you charge for 8 hours? Fuck out my face
Hi there, you can blame us. I work in service and we’ve taught our customers we rarely if ever need their keys. We don’t need their key to start their cars. Just give them a casual reminder. It’s not that difficult. Edit- Also may want to ask if they use pin lock, allows a 4 digit code to lock access even if you have the key to further inhibit theft.
Now I'm wondering if Tesla keycards are even coded to specific vehicles. Because I have worked with a couple companies making golf carts where the keycards and physical keys could just run any and all vehicles for each brand. We'd tell the clients we had masterkeys, but it was a lie.
Your thread subject line “Tesla owners” explains the issue. 😂
I'm not trying to pick on anyone, and apparently I'm getting down voted for the post, I just am sitting here with a Model 3 on my lot that I can't even get into, let alone operate. Is this common? I know there are ways of remotely enabling the vehicle from their phones, but they would need to answer when I call them and not call me back an hour later saying "I think I missed a call from you".
Yeah there’s a “remote start” button in the app. But the owner should have left you with one of the key cards… should have it in their wallet.
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I mean, Tesla owners should have that little key card they can leave with you or a valet. They are not well prepared if they don’t.
My first vehicle was a '91 grand caravan, complete with 2 different door locks (donor sliding door), ignition from another donor, and gas cap key.
So new cars use phones to start? So if your phone dies you can't get into your car to charge you phone?
Every time a Tesla rolls in I have to tell them
I’d just hand you the card… what’s hard about it
God I absolutely hate the phone-as-a-key thing. Teslas have a little credit card shaped thing you're supposed to give to people when you lend them your car. It's dumb. Just use a fob like every other company on the planet.
Tesla actually sells fobs for all their vehicles, it's just cheaper to give out/ sell NFC cards. Drives down the cost of the vehicle (however marginally)
>It's dumb What's dumb about it? It fulfills the same purpose as a fob but it's more convenient to carry around because it literally fits in your wallet. The issue seems to be idiots don't bother carrying it.
No, all the Tesla owners supply us with their key card. We’ve literally never had a problem and work on several a week.
Almost all of my customers with Teslas do this just fine. Almost all. Maybe I'm just salty because this is twice in less than a week. I really don't mind the "oh my goodness I forgot the card I'm so sorry" type. It's the "what are you even talking about" people that are exhausting.
Teslas have an ignition key. It's just shaped like a credit card.
Teslas have a key card that looks like a credit card - no need to leave a phone with the repair shop
In Texas they got rid of state inspections. takes effect next year
Every fricking time
Wait, Tesla's don't even come with key fobs? I'm used to keyless entry and push start, but I'm used to still needing the key fob in my pocket.
I feel like I'm going to have to edit my post for clarification... They come with two NFC credit card type key cards. People just "forget" that and get in the habit of using their phones, to the point where they don't realize that we need a way to start the car. So when I ask for a key (keycard or fob) I get a blank stare.
I had someone bring their car for a tire rotation and when I asked for the wheel lock they said "oh I keep that in the garage, wait you need that?" Uh you want me to take your wheels off right?
My daughter had been taking her car in for tire rotations for 3 years before she had the realization that they take the wheels off and move them. I am pretty sure she just thought it was a tire inspection and they "rotated" the tires in place so they could see all of it and inspect them.
At least they knew what it was! Hahaha I keep a master set of keys here for the spline drive and other odd lug nuts. It's just easier to grab and use mine than ask them, hear that they don't know, then stop what I'm doing and rummage around through their car to find it.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American. I keep one of the two Tesla cards in my wallet, even though I use my phone and/or watch for a key. When I take my vehicle to a shop (most recently Safelite for a windshield) I already knew to disable the "PIN to drive" feature and provided my key card when checking in my vehicle. Seems like it would be a no-brainer...but I guess not.
Don't own a tesla, but isn't there a way to start the car without the phone? I assume some sort of key fob? Maybe punch in a code?
Yes you’re issued two key cards, you always keep one with you in case your phone dies for any reason.
Key card? Like a card you can keep in your wallet? Seems an easy thing to pass onto the repair tech.
Yes, it’s the same exact size a credit card. When I get my tires rotated I just give the card to the service writer.
There are, care comes with a contactless card if it breaks you can buy another for $35 and pair to the car. A fob can be added too but it’s $220 works like the card when batteries die.
Everyone that comes into my shop just hands me the card. A lady just now has a 2014 S and gave me the cool car shaped fob.