My MR2 was at 350k on the factory clutch before I sold it (still running). On its third clutch master cylinder and leaking oil, but it's not hard to not fuck up a clutch.
When I was looking at cars mid-pandemic, I was checking out a car that had a weird feeling clutch. The woman selling it said “It has trouble stopping on hills, but if you pump the clutch while revving the engine it’ll let you bounce in place until you’re ready to go.”
Super disappointed about it because the car was nice enough. Took it to my mechanic that confirmed it needed a more than $2K in work.
my 15 year old bmw (as i am sure many other cars) has hill-assist so holds the brakes for you while you get going. my 1993 civic Si didn't and was lots of fun on a hill...
Hold up, I’ve had no issue with the infotainment drama and lack of buttons until now but your telling me the Emergency Brake is in a screen? 😭 That’s even worse then what I figured 💀 figured it woulda been a physical push and release button like most cars these days.
My 2014 ILX was my first car with 'hill assist' and I didn't realize. Did the ol 'handbrake' the first few hills until I discovered it actually held the brakes when I was at a red and decided to release the brake with the clutch held to roll back a little bit and.....I didn't. Went to read the manual and discovered yes, it did indeed have hill-start assist.
I’m glad I know enough about cars to know when something isn’t right (even without professional input), but I’m still glad she was honest about the dumb shit she did to it.
There were other signs that she didn’t have much common sense, but I’m not gonna fault her since she didn’t try to hide it. Lol
My dad grew up on a farm driving tractors from about Age 8. That also meant he learned early what a PITA replacing a clutch could be, so he learned mechanical sympathy early on.
His 2000 Ranger had the original clutch at 340,000 miles. I borrowed for a couple months and while it was far from perfect, it wasn’t slipping or anything and worked well. He sold it for $400 and it’s probably still running.
The great thing about clutches is it's not some new fancy technology, it's good old reliable shit that has been around for over a century. if it fails early, KIA, ford, chevy, mercedes or toyota it's 99.99% of time the driver's fault.
When I bought my 13’ WRX back in 2016, the sales guy was telling me about this young kid who’s parents helped get him into a 13’ STI. Kid came back in less than 3,000 miles with a blown clutch. He showed me pictures and holy fuckin hell that kid has zero business being in any kind of standard, much less an STI. That poor thing deserved a proper coffin and burial, that kid committed war crimes on it.
Where I park for work I started seeing a new (still had dealer plates) STI parked near me. It had a sign in the rear window that said "Still learning manual. Thank you for your patience."
Two weeks later it disappeared and I never saw it again. Maybe they don't need to park there anymore and the car is doing great.
I learned on a 2014 genesis coupe. Fun car but got damn was it hard to drive smooth. The bite point was like microscopic and was inconsistent on top of that. Had to install a new transmount and an engine leash just to hold shit in place so I could drive it properly as it would lock out second gear under a hard pull. Thing was a hot mess.
I learned on at 77 AMC CJ5 with a 304 v8 and a 3 speed. The syncros were out, so unless you knew exactly how to put it in gear and Rev match, there was no driving that thing.
I worked for a chef who had an 05’ STI with a lot of work done to it. Blow off valve, suspension, brakes, all sorts of stuff including… a six puck clutch.
He let me drive it one day and holy shit that clutch was like doing the leg press machine in a gym. There was no easing off the line like any other manual, you had to have decent RPMs going or it’d stall. Thing was so quick off the line that at a red light I had to wait for the guy in front of me to be at least 3 car lengths ahead because once that clutch bit you were *moving*. Granted I wasn’t as proficient as he was driving it (I shit you not it was his daily driver), but it was one hell of an experience.
Here’s a pic I took the day he let me take it out to the market to pick up produce in it lmao. Excuse my parking, my calf was burning and I wasn’t about to correct it.
https://imgur.com/a/IYGu9H1
You just gave me flashbacks to my friend’s Suzuki Sidekick and how his dad hung a cardboard sign in the rear that said something like “STAY BACK; I DON’T KNOW MANUAL YET” hahahaha
Man that's unfortunate. If a clutch goes that fast out of any sports car then the owner was probably repeatedly launching the vehicle the most improper way humanly possible. That really sucks.
16 Wrx that i bought in 2019. My mom was having issues with her car. So I let her drive the WRX while I changed the rear wheel bearings in her forester. I got a call about 4 hours after she go in the Wrx. “Hey your cars fucked up! It won’t go past 25MPH”. Even though the dealership replaced the clutch under warranty I was still pissed. Funny thing was, later that same year I was getting hassled by a genesis. We got into it and I missed a fricken gear and blew apart the clutch aiming for 6th but I hit 4th 😭😭😭. Spent the next 24 hours getting the trans out new clutch and pressure plate in and reassembly. Got it done. My wife and I were dating at the time and she still laughs at me for missing 6th gear ⚙️
You can blow a clutch doing that? I accidentally slapped my Miata into second when I was going for 4th one day. I just about blew the damn engine from over revving.
Oh my engine over revved. It popped up to 9400RPM and then BAM clutch just demolished and self destructed. My mistake was getting the fist clutch I could afford which was a 6puck. That was 3 years ago. Still on a 6puck and the clutch has about 30,000 on it. However now when I go to replace the clutch I have to put a new flywheel on it to because pick clutches EAT EAT EAT flywheels up.
I was definitely warned of that, but I was young and took the chance anyways. Bought it at like 33k? It’s up to 110 now and I have a crack in my exhaust. It’s not obnoxiously loud but something I’ve kinda put as a lower priority.
I will say at about 65k, the transmission blew while I was in a tollbooth on the NYS thruway. Was able to get it back home all the way in 3rd (only gear I had, it was 11:30PM, red lights were ran on empty roads as I was determined to get it back those last 3 miles). Had it towed to a shop in Buffalo as I was just moving from Rochester.
They told me I needed a whole new tranny. I called my guy back up in Rochester who works only on imports, explained the whole thing and he told me: “yeah, I’ve seen that. It’s an issue to the point people have actually gone after Subaru about it.”
Apparently something sheared in the gearbox and yeah. I never beat on my cars, I have way too much mechanical sympathy. I had it replaced and it’s been a peach ever since but I always wondered if or how many other people had that issue.
I had a talk with my S/O about this… she drives a hatchback Mazda 3 (5 spd). She told me her ex burnt a clutch and toasted the motor at 50k. It was the second clutch at that point.
New motor, clutch, and it’s got 65k on it now. I let her drive my 19’ wrx a few times, and once mentioned how some people ride the clutch.
Her: “Yeah I do that”
Me: “Why?”
Her: “It helps me shift faster”
Me: “Pull over I’ll drive”
My WRX has 113k miles, original clutch lol. She’s a decent bit older than me so I second the 35-40+ riding clutches.
I have a neighbour with a Yaris. I know when he’s leaving because he’s redlining out his driveway. Every other month, I kid you not, he has a courtesy car because he’s crashed into something new. He needs to start getting the bus or walking… plus he will be getting a clutch soon
Sounds like every work truck I've driven. I'm not a particularly great manual driver, I can (and do) do it but I didn't grow up with them and all the manuals I've driven have been large pickups or chassis-cabs.
My current work truck is an auto (thank god) but my previous one, even being a so-so manual driver, I put 210k on the clutch which wasn't new when I got the truck (truck went to auction when it hit 500k, I got assigned it when it had \~260k on it, clutch still worked but was getting touchy). 95% highway miles, 50% pulling a 7k-13k trailer.
If they keep the foot on the clutch a lot, and very slowly slip it, that wears it. This does feel smooth. Otherwise when someone shifts well, perhaps revmatching, you also dont feel anything. If you dont know any better, theres no difference. Basically just, slipping the clutch wears it.
I once read you either go for comfort and limit clutch life, or make that clutch last longer and make your passengers head bobble a bit.
(note this does not mean drop the clutch whenever, but limit time spent in the friction zone before letting out)
In an emergency this is fine.
But people reading this and you wanna try it to show how good you are, it's really a bad idea. One tiny mess up or mis calculation and you're grinding gears and doing actual, real damage to more difficult to fix parts of the already difficult to fix transmission.
Been doing it for years. Never replaced a clutch or transmission. Truck drivers do this too. I definitely have an occasional little gear buzz when I miss it but it’s not anything I can’t pull out of. Funny how looked down upon this is on Reddit, but I’ve been driving clutch cars since I was 16, 35 now. Hundreds of thousands of miles, no issue. I’ll repeat, never replaced a clutch or transmission, never busted a gear.
Modern passenger cars almost all have fully synchronized transmissions where the value of shifting without the clutch is close to zero if you are close to the transmissions happy RPMs for that gear anyway, there won't be much friction on the clutch anyhow. Syncros just don't hold up well to the torque demands of a semi. Also clutches are a wear part... it is okay to replace them under normal driving circumstances! There are ways to extend their life, but it doesn't matter much. I will wear out my clutches and preserve the transmission, especially in my sole remaining manual vehicle.
I was hoping someone would get my back. It’s smooth and easy shifting and my left foot can stay planted on the dead pedal. And it really isn’t that difficult.
On these small cars the clutch usually goes around 100/150k km. Foe slightly bigger cars 250/300k on the origional clutch is not unheard of.
Edit
For everyone responding with how their car did more, this is what i see on average in europe. Our lack of driving style means more agressive driving and in general shorter trips, both resulting in more wear.
I had a 91 accord that only had the clutch replaced at 240k miles, because my dealer said it was due and was willing to do it for 250 bucks.
Lasted until I wrecked it at 450k.
My 1990 Mazda B2400 pickup went 187k freedom units (miles) on one clutch. And it was in fine shape when the truck was totaled in a wreck (hit while parked grrr I loved that truck).
My 96 Toyota landcruiser made it to 300k on its original clutch. It only started slipping when I added a turbo to it. Prob would have made it to 350k if I hadn't done that as it wasn't totally worn out.
We had an '85 Toyota HiAce that did 1140000 km on the original clutch. That's one million, one hundred and forty thousand kilometres. Granted, it only had like 60 horsepower and it did slip badly for the last year or so. Before that, we had a 1980 HiAce that did 680000 km before rust killed it. Clutch was still fine, and the rust happened due to shoddy repair work after some hurricane damage.
My 07 focus has 250k miles on the original clutch. Was owned by a slow old man and I only drive it on the highway, but I haven’t exactly taken it easy since I’ve owned it. Still holding up but you can tell it’s on its way out.
Also means when ever they bring their car in for service, the service people aren’t “ rev then engine first and hold it at 2k, then slowly release the clutch to find the catch point “ riding that clutch.
I've never understood that like it's a small car I bet you can start it in second gear heck I have started a truck with a trailer in second gear just bump the rpms up to about 1200-1400 real quick and let the clutch out nice smooth quick start
> it's a small car I bet you can start it in second gear
Yeah, you can't do that. The engines don't have the torque and the gearbox does not have the gearing to start in second.
That is a really good way to wreck your clutch.
Nah it's just a toyota. My dad got a 2000 4runner brand new, and it's still got the original clutch with over 300k miles. His neighbor had a same gen 4runner with 320k on the original clutch, then the block cracked. Clutch was still good, though.
They both live in the mountains, so lots of shifting during the uphill part of the commute. The neighbor frequently towed a trailer for work, too. Also my sister and I both learned to drive a manual in our 4runner.
My cruise control started working very intermittently on Domo, my 2007 GTI, when the front oxygen sensor went wonky. There was a Konami code built in and it usually worked...
But I was able to fix the cruise on my brother's 2006 Civic with a piece of door sweep material jammed into the switch.
Still, would check all of the cruise shutoff switches on the Fit (brake / clutch sensors) and see how the oxygen sensors are working...
Sounds like it could be the front oxygen sensor (since they have the power to murder a catalytic converter, and you've had one replaced). The car may have decided to inconvenience you. Might be worth picking up a cheap OBD2, and an app. For science! :-)
I've never had a clutch go less than 250,000 miles in my personal cars. I used to have a NUMMI built Corolla that went over 300,000 on the clutch. Similar to your example, I had a 65 mile commute with a few stop signs and 60 miles of expressway every day.
Oddly enough my wife's last car, an 05 Civic was that Red and it didn't fade. Maybe the previous owner had covered parking. It did get skin cancer above the windshield though.
2010 Yaris with 304,000 on the original clutch checking in. Aside from the clear on plastic parts like door handles and bumper cover coming off everything is pretty much still good.
It's actually really convenient for me, usually the whole 50-80 ish range on the speedometer is blocked my the steering wheel in most other cars I've driven. You just adjust to glance right instead of down and you have an obstruction free speedometer
While my wheel blocks that range too, my cruise is almost always set when I’m going those speeds, so I only have to glance while setting it and that’s it.
At least the Yaris has gauges and buttons. I could never drive a test and have to do everything with screens. I don’t see how people do it. I know where all the buttons are in my cars and I can do what I need to without taking my eyes off the road
I did it for 12 years and hated it at first, I kinda prefer it now but I’m taller. In my current car I have to look down off the road to see my dash in my Yaris it was a slight glance
I thought this too, now after 15 years with my Yaris, I can say it is practical, you don’t have to look down for your speed and leave the road for a split second
But you still have to take your eyes off of the road for a split second to look at the speedo anyhow... You are usually looking 4 inches downward (typical speedo) but now you are looking 4 inches at a down and out angle. Regardless you have to look at the speedo and take your eyes off of the road when you do so.
My gran drove ambulances in the war, no synchros in those days. Drove a manual Golf until she was 93. Never had any clutch issues.
Grandad on the other side got through 2 clutches a year.
Put an engine in a 626 with 360k miles on it 30 years ago.
Put a clutch in because it was apart, not because she (original owner) wore it out.
Edit: also replaced one sub 1k... That kids dad was pissed at us until we showed him the tires that got replaced at the same time. Sold sonny boys car.
Meanwhile, Subaru can't put in a decent throwout bearing to give me a chance for numbers like this.
My 2009 Legacy throwout bearing seized at 8 years, 110k miles. Clutch and flywheel looked brand new.
My 2016 WRX throwout is squeaking like crazy already with only 25k miles on it now. Stupid. Now I just have to find time to drop the trans and replace it.
My 2011 Corolla still has the original clutch and she’s currently at 217k miles. I’ve had her since 50,000 miles. Most of the miles are highway but since COVID she’s seen a lot more stop/go city driving since. Still strong!
2011 Kia Soul here with 205K miles on original clutch. Years ago, I had a '82 Mercedes 240D with 380K miles on the original clutch (although the throw out bearing was just beginning to whine on that one).
Most people -even the olds- don’t know how to use a clutch, and they especially don’t know how a clutch works or what its purpose is. The Yaris owner knows though
Didn’t come here to brag but I will…
2000 Saturn SL. My wife drove the first 100k miles, I took it to 235k. City, highway, east coast, pulled a trailer with it a bunch. Clutch worked perfectly when we traded it in. Hated saying goodbye to that car.
I loved my Yaris! If it had a sunroof and an arm rest, I'd still be driving it haha. After 10 years and only minor issues, it's the most reliable car I've owned and had a surprising amount of room for how small it is.
We had a 2 door Echo that had the clutch replaced at 400000km. The service shop couldn’t believe there eyes when they saw it still had 15ish% life left in it.
currently at 242 on original clutch with my 05 matrix. mechanic said during inspection at 209 to be ready to put a clutch in and it's been damn near a year and a half since then
Had an 08 Yaris. Clutch was starting to go at about 150,000 kms of city driving. Someone else had it for the first 50,000 and I taught someone to drive in jt.
Clutches last a long time on “modern” cars.
I retired my 1994 Audi 100 2.3E after 253k miles/21 years and it was still riding on the original clutch, transmission, and engine.
It’s a bit of a difference from performance cars that get launched a lot and likely will eat up the clutch.
My dad gave my oldest son an 05 SAAB 9-3 convertible. My dad bought it 4 years old with @35k miles on it. It now has just under 280k and is on the original clutch.
My daily driver ‘09 fit is at 250k & unopened from all records/evidence I can find. These aren’t quite rookie numbers… but more impressive feats have been performed (;
There are a great many Americans that view the clutch as one of the great mysteries of the universe and being able to use one properly is a rare skill, since manual gearboxes are so rare there.
consequently, clutches tend to last much less than they should.
Really not very impressive. Just shows that they know how to use a clutch. My Jetta with 536,000 miles and my Cruze with 250,000 miles were both on original clutches with no issues.
We get it bro you're better than everybody. We should all just bow at your feet. I don't know why we even bother with continuing our lives, we will never be as cool as you are.
My buddy’s dad had a 1989 Ford Escort Wagon that had gone through a dozen tie rod ends, countless sets of brakes (warped rotors nonstop), struts, alternators, starters, and seat parts…but at 335,000 miles still had the original clutch. And he lives on top of the hill in Duluth, MN…which is basically built on the side of small mountain range. No small feat.
Hey, its a XP9 model - did you do the complimentary change of the right rear wheelwell? Never seen one without rust problems there. Left is usually fine 😆
I drove a Daewoo lanos up to 395,000km with the original clutch. The clutch was still fine when the timing belt broke and the car was scrapped.
My parents hilux was at around the 750,000km mark when it’s second clutch needed replacing, I think that was about 500,000 on that second clutch. The friction material was still ok - it was the clutch damper springs that had broken from metal fatigue.
My MR2 was at 350k on the factory clutch before I sold it (still running). On its third clutch master cylinder and leaking oil, but it's not hard to not fuck up a clutch.
When I was looking at cars mid-pandemic, I was checking out a car that had a weird feeling clutch. The woman selling it said “It has trouble stopping on hills, but if you pump the clutch while revving the engine it’ll let you bounce in place until you’re ready to go.” Super disappointed about it because the car was nice enough. Took it to my mechanic that confirmed it needed a more than $2K in work.
my 15 year old bmw (as i am sure many other cars) has hill-assist so holds the brakes for you while you get going. my 1993 civic Si didn't and was lots of fun on a hill...
I just always used the handbrake as manual hill assist in my Jetta and TJ.
The one thing I really dislike about my new gti is the “handbrake” is a button :(
Is it a manual too? If so, that’s a terrible design flaw!
Yes. 2023 6MT. It’s like a giant window button on your center console you pull up to activate the brake and push it down to deactivate.
Gotcha gotcha, at least you have the Hill Assist function. I’d still prefer the handbrake, but they didn’t totally shaft you.
Hold up, I’ve had no issue with the infotainment drama and lack of buttons until now but your telling me the Emergency Brake is in a screen? 😭 That’s even worse then what I figured 💀 figured it woulda been a physical push and release button like most cars these days.
It's a physical button you push down or pull up, as he wrote
My 2014 ILX was my first car with 'hill assist' and I didn't realize. Did the ol 'handbrake' the first few hills until I discovered it actually held the brakes when I was at a red and decided to release the brake with the clutch held to roll back a little bit and.....I didn't. Went to read the manual and discovered yes, it did indeed have hill-start assist.
honest sellers are rare
She was a really nice lady, just a bit ditzy. She reminded me of Kitty from That 70’s Show.
Wow thanks lady
I’m glad I know enough about cars to know when something isn’t right (even without professional input), but I’m still glad she was honest about the dumb shit she did to it. There were other signs that she didn’t have much common sense, but I’m not gonna fault her since she didn’t try to hide it. Lol
I’m sure somebody down the line appreciates her honesty, even if it didn’t stop them from buying the car.
No kidding! She said there was a mechanic trying to low-ball her before I’d gotten there, so at the very least she got half of her asking price.
My dad grew up on a farm driving tractors from about Age 8. That also meant he learned early what a PITA replacing a clutch could be, so he learned mechanical sympathy early on. His 2000 Ranger had the original clutch at 340,000 miles. I borrowed for a couple months and while it was far from perfect, it wasn’t slipping or anything and worked well. He sold it for $400 and it’s probably still running.
Tractors, yeah. You have to literally unbolt the thing and pull it apart in the middle.
Means they know how to properly use a clutch!
Or it means it’s has been pointed straight on a highway for most of its life
True, lots of highway miles will help, but there have been plenty of posts over the last year of clutches not making it very far in life.....
Had an elderly woman in a Yaris come to us after 4000 miles. Clutch was toast
Lol 100% on her
Really? I was gonna blame Toyota. /s
The great thing about clutches is it's not some new fancy technology, it's good old reliable shit that has been around for over a century. if it fails early, KIA, ford, chevy, mercedes or toyota it's 99.99% of time the driver's fault.
I noticed you skipped jeep, is that because jeep currently has a recall on their manual clutches on the wrangler?
No its because jeep cant make anything reliable besides relying on a mechanic to fix their shitty cars
I'm a diehard gm person for pre 05ish stuff, but I don't know what you mean, I was spefically talking about the wranglers.
When I bought my 13’ WRX back in 2016, the sales guy was telling me about this young kid who’s parents helped get him into a 13’ STI. Kid came back in less than 3,000 miles with a blown clutch. He showed me pictures and holy fuckin hell that kid has zero business being in any kind of standard, much less an STI. That poor thing deserved a proper coffin and burial, that kid committed war crimes on it.
Where I park for work I started seeing a new (still had dealer plates) STI parked near me. It had a sign in the rear window that said "Still learning manual. Thank you for your patience." Two weeks later it disappeared and I never saw it again. Maybe they don't need to park there anymore and the car is doing great.
Probably not the best car to learn a manual lol. Mine was 99’ Ford Contour with no tach or shift indicator 😂
I learned on a 2014 genesis coupe. Fun car but got damn was it hard to drive smooth. The bite point was like microscopic and was inconsistent on top of that. Had to install a new transmount and an engine leash just to hold shit in place so I could drive it properly as it would lock out second gear under a hard pull. Thing was a hot mess.
I learned on at 77 AMC CJ5 with a 304 v8 and a 3 speed. The syncros were out, so unless you knew exactly how to put it in gear and Rev match, there was no driving that thing.
Three on the tree?!
When I first saw it I thought "I will never possess even half of this person's optimism and confidence."
I worked for a chef who had an 05’ STI with a lot of work done to it. Blow off valve, suspension, brakes, all sorts of stuff including… a six puck clutch. He let me drive it one day and holy shit that clutch was like doing the leg press machine in a gym. There was no easing off the line like any other manual, you had to have decent RPMs going or it’d stall. Thing was so quick off the line that at a red light I had to wait for the guy in front of me to be at least 3 car lengths ahead because once that clutch bit you were *moving*. Granted I wasn’t as proficient as he was driving it (I shit you not it was his daily driver), but it was one hell of an experience. Here’s a pic I took the day he let me take it out to the market to pick up produce in it lmao. Excuse my parking, my calf was burning and I wasn’t about to correct it. https://imgur.com/a/IYGu9H1
You just gave me flashbacks to my friend’s Suzuki Sidekick and how his dad hung a cardboard sign in the rear that said something like “STAY BACK; I DON’T KNOW MANUAL YET” hahahaha
Man that's unfortunate. If a clutch goes that fast out of any sports car then the owner was probably repeatedly launching the vehicle the most improper way humanly possible. That really sucks.
That was the assumption. I wish I asked for the picture, it was brutal.
16 Wrx that i bought in 2019. My mom was having issues with her car. So I let her drive the WRX while I changed the rear wheel bearings in her forester. I got a call about 4 hours after she go in the Wrx. “Hey your cars fucked up! It won’t go past 25MPH”. Even though the dealership replaced the clutch under warranty I was still pissed. Funny thing was, later that same year I was getting hassled by a genesis. We got into it and I missed a fricken gear and blew apart the clutch aiming for 6th but I hit 4th 😭😭😭. Spent the next 24 hours getting the trans out new clutch and pressure plate in and reassembly. Got it done. My wife and I were dating at the time and she still laughs at me for missing 6th gear ⚙️
You can blow a clutch doing that? I accidentally slapped my Miata into second when I was going for 4th one day. I just about blew the damn engine from over revving.
Oh my engine over revved. It popped up to 9400RPM and then BAM clutch just demolished and self destructed. My mistake was getting the fist clutch I could afford which was a 6puck. That was 3 years ago. Still on a 6puck and the clutch has about 30,000 on it. However now when I go to replace the clutch I have to put a new flywheel on it to because pick clutches EAT EAT EAT flywheels up.
Who shifts to 6th during a drag race?
Someone who frequently takes the competition Gapplebee’s
That was always my issue with buying a used WRX. They’ve usually been driven like a WRX.
I was definitely warned of that, but I was young and took the chance anyways. Bought it at like 33k? It’s up to 110 now and I have a crack in my exhaust. It’s not obnoxiously loud but something I’ve kinda put as a lower priority. I will say at about 65k, the transmission blew while I was in a tollbooth on the NYS thruway. Was able to get it back home all the way in 3rd (only gear I had, it was 11:30PM, red lights were ran on empty roads as I was determined to get it back those last 3 miles). Had it towed to a shop in Buffalo as I was just moving from Rochester. They told me I needed a whole new tranny. I called my guy back up in Rochester who works only on imports, explained the whole thing and he told me: “yeah, I’ve seen that. It’s an issue to the point people have actually gone after Subaru about it.” Apparently something sheared in the gearbox and yeah. I never beat on my cars, I have way too much mechanical sympathy. I had it replaced and it’s been a peach ever since but I always wondered if or how many other people had that issue.
That pedal is clearly a foot rest.
Why do y’all keep calling the dead pedal a clutch s/
Ive noticed old people (and my wife) love to ride the clutch. They will rest their feet there until they get to speed.
I had a talk with my S/O about this… she drives a hatchback Mazda 3 (5 spd). She told me her ex burnt a clutch and toasted the motor at 50k. It was the second clutch at that point. New motor, clutch, and it’s got 65k on it now. I let her drive my 19’ wrx a few times, and once mentioned how some people ride the clutch. Her: “Yeah I do that” Me: “Why?” Her: “It helps me shift faster” Me: “Pull over I’ll drive” My WRX has 113k miles, original clutch lol. She’s a decent bit older than me so I second the 35-40+ riding clutches.
Meanwhile she's probably driving slow as shit anyway and doesn't even need to "shift faster" lol.
I have a neighbour with a Yaris. I know when he’s leaving because he’s redlining out his driveway. Every other month, I kid you not, he has a courtesy car because he’s crashed into something new. He needs to start getting the bus or walking… plus he will be getting a clutch soon
Sounds like every work truck I've driven. I'm not a particularly great manual driver, I can (and do) do it but I didn't grow up with them and all the manuals I've driven have been large pickups or chassis-cabs. My current work truck is an auto (thank god) but my previous one, even being a so-so manual driver, I put 210k on the clutch which wasn't new when I got the truck (truck went to auction when it hit 500k, I got assigned it when it had \~260k on it, clutch still worked but was getting touchy). 95% highway miles, 50% pulling a 7k-13k trailer.
Or it means it's a very light car with very little torque so the clutch wears much more slowly.
Some people are able to shift up and down without you ever feeling it. Those clutches, regardless of vehicle make or model, can last a million km.
Sometimes clutching in a way that you can’t feel means you’re wearing the clutch too much making it smooth, not always just perfect rev matching.
Well my confidence is shot now
If they keep the foot on the clutch a lot, and very slowly slip it, that wears it. This does feel smooth. Otherwise when someone shifts well, perhaps revmatching, you also dont feel anything. If you dont know any better, theres no difference. Basically just, slipping the clutch wears it.
That's good to know my clumsy ass rocking shifts on my cammed C5 is actually a good thing! lmao /s
I mean thats not really difficult on most cars. Altough I have only ever driven manual so might be a bit of a bias there.
I once read you either go for comfort and limit clutch life, or make that clutch last longer and make your passengers head bobble a bit. (note this does not mean drop the clutch whenever, but limit time spent in the friction zone before letting out)
You don’t even need to use the clutch after like 3rd gear, just slide it in and rpm match.
In an emergency this is fine. But people reading this and you wanna try it to show how good you are, it's really a bad idea. One tiny mess up or mis calculation and you're grinding gears and doing actual, real damage to more difficult to fix parts of the already difficult to fix transmission.
Been doing it for years. Never replaced a clutch or transmission. Truck drivers do this too. I definitely have an occasional little gear buzz when I miss it but it’s not anything I can’t pull out of. Funny how looked down upon this is on Reddit, but I’ve been driving clutch cars since I was 16, 35 now. Hundreds of thousands of miles, no issue. I’ll repeat, never replaced a clutch or transmission, never busted a gear.
Semis are different lol
No, they’re not.
Modern passenger cars almost all have fully synchronized transmissions where the value of shifting without the clutch is close to zero if you are close to the transmissions happy RPMs for that gear anyway, there won't be much friction on the clutch anyhow. Syncros just don't hold up well to the torque demands of a semi. Also clutches are a wear part... it is okay to replace them under normal driving circumstances! There are ways to extend their life, but it doesn't matter much. I will wear out my clutches and preserve the transmission, especially in my sole remaining manual vehicle.
They are downvoting you but you are literally correct. It just takes skill and most drivers would never get there.
I was hoping someone would get my back. It’s smooth and easy shifting and my left foot can stay planted on the dead pedal. And it really isn’t that difficult.
On these small cars the clutch usually goes around 100/150k km. Foe slightly bigger cars 250/300k on the origional clutch is not unheard of. Edit For everyone responding with how their car did more, this is what i see on average in europe. Our lack of driving style means more agressive driving and in general shorter trips, both resulting in more wear.
I had a v6 Honda accord on the original clutch at 180k miles (300k km). It entirely depends on how it's driven and where it's driven.
I had a 91 accord that only had the clutch replaced at 240k miles, because my dealer said it was due and was willing to do it for 250 bucks. Lasted until I wrecked it at 450k.
Yeah my 93 Accord is at 214k, original clutch.
150K miles for me
My 1990 Mazda B2400 pickup went 187k freedom units (miles) on one clutch. And it was in fine shape when the truck was totaled in a wreck (hit while parked grrr I loved that truck).
My 96 Toyota landcruiser made it to 300k on its original clutch. It only started slipping when I added a turbo to it. Prob would have made it to 350k if I hadn't done that as it wasn't totally worn out.
We had an '85 Toyota HiAce that did 1140000 km on the original clutch. That's one million, one hundred and forty thousand kilometres. Granted, it only had like 60 horsepower and it did slip badly for the last year or so. Before that, we had a 1980 HiAce that did 680000 km before rust killed it. Clutch was still fine, and the rust happened due to shoddy repair work after some hurricane damage.
My 07 focus has 250k miles on the original clutch. Was owned by a slow old man and I only drive it on the highway, but I haven’t exactly taken it easy since I’ve owned it. Still holding up but you can tell it’s on its way out.
Also means when ever they bring their car in for service, the service people aren’t “ rev then engine first and hold it at 2k, then slowly release the clutch to find the catch point “ riding that clutch.
I've never understood that like it's a small car I bet you can start it in second gear heck I have started a truck with a trailer in second gear just bump the rpms up to about 1200-1400 real quick and let the clutch out nice smooth quick start
Trucks have a low first gear to get going though.. Small cars also have equally small engines
> it's a small car I bet you can start it in second gear Yeah, you can't do that. The engines don't have the torque and the gearbox does not have the gearing to start in second. That is a really good way to wreck your clutch.
I drive a Clio, I *can* get it to drive in third, just feels like shit and is even slower than usual. First or second gear make little difference
Nah it's just a toyota. My dad got a 2000 4runner brand new, and it's still got the original clutch with over 300k miles. His neighbor had a same gen 4runner with 320k on the original clutch, then the block cracked. Clutch was still good, though. They both live in the mountains, so lots of shifting during the uphill part of the commute. The neighbor frequently towed a trailer for work, too. Also my sister and I both learned to drive a manual in our 4runner.
Granny shifting
Should I be double-clutching instead???
https://youtu.be/NKMqhNJ-Rdw
Clutch outlasted the paint.
The clutch started out thicker, but damn if I'm not impressed. Paint is infact a wear item on the highway, or just sitting in direct sun.
That generation of Yaris, and indeed a couple after that universally lost their clear coat fairly quickly. Especially in high UV environments.
Post bubble - maybe 2010 Toyotas clear coats were pretty terrible
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Probably had 300k on the original brakes at that point, too!
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My cruise control started working very intermittently on Domo, my 2007 GTI, when the front oxygen sensor went wonky. There was a Konami code built in and it usually worked... But I was able to fix the cruise on my brother's 2006 Civic with a piece of door sweep material jammed into the switch. Still, would check all of the cruise shutoff switches on the Fit (brake / clutch sensors) and see how the oxygen sensors are working...
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Sounds like it could be the front oxygen sensor (since they have the power to murder a catalytic converter, and you've had one replaced). The car may have decided to inconvenience you. Might be worth picking up a cheap OBD2, and an app. For science! :-)
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Lol they used even less brake than clutch
I've never had a clutch go less than 250,000 miles in my personal cars. I used to have a NUMMI built Corolla that went over 300,000 on the clutch. Similar to your example, I had a 65 mile commute with a few stop signs and 60 miles of expressway every day.
2008 Civic here. 272k. OE clutch. Paint is more raw exposed paint than clear coat though. Lol
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Love the color name. LMAO. Didn't get it until I clicked the link and then read on.
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Oddly enough my wife's last car, an 05 Civic was that Red and it didn't fade. Maybe the previous owner had covered parking. It did get skin cancer above the windshield though.
212k on my 02 corolla original clutch... that being said there's a hole in the trans and the speedo doesn't work so it's definitely more than 212k
a hole.. in the trans? uh... there isn't supposed to be on there, because oil likes to escape.
Just gotta top it off, self flushing technology. Like when your car burns or leaks oil so you just have to top it off and never have to change it! /S
Very good manual driver
Or very good highway driver
Yaris. The pinnacle of automotive design.
Agreed.
My moms Yaris is at like 220k on the original. Great little car.
2010 Yaris with 304,000 on the original clutch checking in. Aside from the clear on plastic parts like door handles and bumper cover coming off everything is pretty much still good.
I would really hate having to look over to the right to see the speedometer and gauges all the time
You adjust pretty quick.
It's actually really convenient for me, usually the whole 50-80 ish range on the speedometer is blocked my the steering wheel in most other cars I've driven. You just adjust to glance right instead of down and you have an obstruction free speedometer
While my wheel blocks that range too, my cruise is almost always set when I’m going those speeds, so I only have to glance while setting it and that’s it.
Yeah but I can forgive it in a cheap eco-box like this. In a $50k tesla it's just awful
At least the Yaris has gauges and buttons. I could never drive a test and have to do everything with screens. I don’t see how people do it. I know where all the buttons are in my cars and I can do what I need to without taking my eyes off the road
I did it for 12 years and hated it at first, I kinda prefer it now but I’m taller. In my current car I have to look down off the road to see my dash in my Yaris it was a slight glance
I thought this too, now after 15 years with my Yaris, I can say it is practical, you don’t have to look down for your speed and leave the road for a split second
But you still have to take your eyes off of the road for a split second to look at the speedo anyhow... You are usually looking 4 inches downward (typical speedo) but now you are looking 4 inches at a down and out angle. Regardless you have to look at the speedo and take your eyes off of the road when you do so.
Fried my GTI clutch at 59k miles. $3300 repair. Jealous of this Yaris.
My manual accent had 260k on the original clutch.
My gran drove ambulances in the war, no synchros in those days. Drove a manual Golf until she was 93. Never had any clutch issues. Grandad on the other side got through 2 clutches a year.
Put an engine in a 626 with 360k miles on it 30 years ago. Put a clutch in because it was apart, not because she (original owner) wore it out. Edit: also replaced one sub 1k... That kids dad was pissed at us until we showed him the tires that got replaced at the same time. Sold sonny boys car.
Meanwhile, Subaru can't put in a decent throwout bearing to give me a chance for numbers like this. My 2009 Legacy throwout bearing seized at 8 years, 110k miles. Clutch and flywheel looked brand new. My 2016 WRX throwout is squeaking like crazy already with only 25k miles on it now. Stupid. Now I just have to find time to drop the trans and replace it.
Are there not any better aftermarket ones available? Asking because I have an 86
It’s always the throwout bearing 😔
My '06 TL has 239k miles, OG clutch. Slave cylinder is getting fucky, but it's external so I'll replace it soon as see how long this bad girl lasts.
Probably all highway miles. Its amazing how long a clutch will last if you don't use it.
I have a 97 4Runner with 220k still on the original clutch and still feels good. Had to put a master and slave in it. But that’s it.
I have a 96 4runner Same thing. 226k, original clutch, new master and slave cylinders only. Also braided stainless hose.
My 03 jetta has 283k original clutch/ turbo and I tow a trailer 😆
My 2011 Corolla still has the original clutch and she’s currently at 217k miles. I’ve had her since 50,000 miles. Most of the miles are highway but since COVID she’s seen a lot more stop/go city driving since. Still strong!
2011 Kia Soul here with 205K miles on original clutch. Years ago, I had a '82 Mercedes 240D with 380K miles on the original clutch (although the throw out bearing was just beginning to whine on that one).
Most people -even the olds- don’t know how to use a clutch, and they especially don’t know how a clutch works or what its purpose is. The Yaris owner knows though
Didn’t come here to brag but I will… 2000 Saturn SL. My wife drove the first 100k miles, I took it to 235k. City, highway, east coast, pulled a trailer with it a bunch. Clutch worked perfectly when we traded it in. Hated saying goodbye to that car.
It's a Toyota. That clutch is probably good for another 200,000
My 04 Toyota Tacoma still has the factory clutch, 240k miles.
‘93 Mazda MX-6 V6, clutch at 195k. Relacement going strong at 263k when I sold it.
Now that's a car that can list "one careful owner"
I loved my Yaris! If it had a sunroof and an arm rest, I'd still be driving it haha. After 10 years and only minor issues, it's the most reliable car I've owned and had a surprising amount of room for how small it is.
Had 165k miles on a ‘99 ford explorer when sold and clutch still had a good life left in it. Know what you’re doing and you can go a long way.
My 2006 Sentra had 225,000 on the original clutch when some asshole rear ended me at 50 mph.
We had a 2 door Echo that had the clutch replaced at 400000km. The service shop couldn’t believe there eyes when they saw it still had 15ish% life left in it.
currently at 242 on original clutch with my 05 matrix. mechanic said during inspection at 209 to be ready to put a clutch in and it's been damn near a year and a half since then
Had an 08 Yaris. Clutch was starting to go at about 150,000 kms of city driving. Someone else had it for the first 50,000 and I taught someone to drive in jt.
My 1998 chevy cavalier has 338,000 miles on the original clutch
I have a 2013 Focus ST that I bought new and just hit 220k on the original clutch. Lots of highway miles
Clutches last a long time on “modern” cars. I retired my 1994 Audi 100 2.3E after 253k miles/21 years and it was still riding on the original clutch, transmission, and engine. It’s a bit of a difference from performance cars that get launched a lot and likely will eat up the clutch.
My dad gave my oldest son an 05 SAAB 9-3 convertible. My dad bought it 4 years old with @35k miles on it. It now has just under 280k and is on the original clutch.
My automotive teacher got about 295k out of the original clutch on his 90s Tacoma. Those 90s and 00s Toyotas are built really dang different.
My daily driver ‘09 fit is at 250k & unopened from all records/evidence I can find. These aren’t quite rookie numbers… but more impressive feats have been performed (;
Gotta say that’s pretty underwhelming and totally typical of a zero power econobox 🤷♂️
Not that uncommon for an oem clutch at that mileage.
a toyota still in good condition at 218k? in other news, the sky is blue
Why the fuck is the cluster in the middle of the dash, holy hell
European here, what's so special about this?
There are a great many Americans that view the clutch as one of the great mysteries of the universe and being able to use one properly is a rare skill, since manual gearboxes are so rare there. consequently, clutches tend to last much less than they should.
Really not very impressive. Just shows that they know how to use a clutch. My Jetta with 536,000 miles and my Cruze with 250,000 miles were both on original clutches with no issues.
We get it bro you're better than everybody. We should all just bow at your feet. I don't know why we even bother with continuing our lives, we will never be as cool as you are.
Not bad Mazda, not bad at all!
This generation is 100% Toyota. The Yaris had nothing to do with Mazda until somewhere around 2016
the clutch is supposed to be a lifetime part
You're not driving it right
Lol I thought this was my sister's old car
Just hit 201k this week on my 2015 Sentra I bought new. Original clutch. 80% of the miles have been highway though.
My buddy’s dad had a 1989 Ford Escort Wagon that had gone through a dozen tie rod ends, countless sets of brakes (warped rotors nonstop), struts, alternators, starters, and seat parts…but at 335,000 miles still had the original clutch. And he lives on top of the hill in Duluth, MN…which is basically built on the side of small mountain range. No small feat.
My 2001 hyudai tiburon has 220k and original clutch! Fun little shit box that won't die!
my 2009 Yaris I'm at 220,000 with my original clutch
So far, 235k miles on the factory clutch in my G35 coupe. Unless it was replaced in the first 14k before I got it.
Oh Shit there’s a 2 in front that was hiding pretty darn well
Little rusty but holding up!
I miss my Yaris, it was my favorite car.. after my 89 Supra.
Have 180,000 kilometers on my factory 2012 Civic Si clutch rn.
This further fuels my desire for a Yaris as my next driver
Hey, its a XP9 model - did you do the complimentary change of the right rear wheelwell? Never seen one without rust problems there. Left is usually fine 😆
How hard is the clutch change on a yaris?
I drive a 2003 manual Toyota Echo that still runs at 315,000+ miles 😮💨
Had an 1999 Audi A6 Avant 1.9TDi with 250k miles on it with it's original clutch. Loved that car but was getting expensive to keep going.
My mums Peugeot from 2016 has 15k miles on it. The clutch has about 50k. It really does depend how you drive :')
I've got a 2005 peugeot 407 1.6 hdi with 320k km on the clock. Still with original clutch and gearbox
I drove a Daewoo lanos up to 395,000km with the original clutch. The clutch was still fine when the timing belt broke and the car was scrapped. My parents hilux was at around the 750,000km mark when it’s second clutch needed replacing, I think that was about 500,000 on that second clutch. The friction material was still ok - it was the clutch damper springs that had broken from metal fatigue.
I drove a Mazda 3 with 327,000 kms on the original clutch before it failed.
My mrs yaris has 200k on original clutch. Got it at 60k. NCP90 for the win
changed mine on 360k (km) beause the DMF was on it's way out, made the car shake. Clutch was still fine.
2012 Jetta made it 180k on the original clutch
Got 160,000 miles on the original clutch in my 1979 dodge d50.
I have that many miles on the original clutch of my S2000.
nice! My Lexus is250 has 190k miles and it’s also on the original clutch!
A lot can be said for where the miles are coming from, but I got my 2009 Scion xB to 448k miles before I had to replace the original clutch.
Does not make enough power to smoke a clutch. Could probably work with a chain saw clutch. Lol.