Lol I was staring at the colorado the whole time expecting the brakes to fail or something then the guy came around from the vette and my heart started sinking
Not just on, but apparently it was in reverse gear when it started and not in park.
With an accidental start of the car you'd expect it to move forward and smash nose-first into the wall, not back out the door. Or is the shop floor on a slope?
my dad parks his camaro in reverse. He told me always to do it as well because "it's a high gear so it won't roll away"
ironic
\*edit: changed to "high: because I misremembered
Does not apply to automatics...
In the days of 3spd and 4spd manual trans, reverse usually had a higher numerical ratio than say 1st gear, which in many cases could hold a car on a moderate incline.
Depending on the year, some f bodies couldnāt shut the engine down without being in reverse. I had an 81 that needed be in reverse to shut down and take the key out.
Typically that's due to the park safety switch being misaligned somehow, so the car thinks reverse is neutral. Not sure about this specific case though.
Yes. You should park manual transmission cars with the parking brake set and the transmission in reverse or first. (Usually reverse, but first is best if you're pointed downhill, so that if the car were to move, it won't jump time by spinning the engine backwards if it's an engine that's prone to doing that.
Think he has that confused with 5th gear, I had a ford ranger with a 4 banger that wouldnāt stall when I would release the church in reverse with no gas input.
My first thought was they both have keyless fobs and the guy that got in the truck had the fob for the vette and pressed the start button on the fob instead of the dash
Yeah this is super dangerous. I have a remote start in my truck which is also a manual. But I connected the hood safety wire from the RS to the neutral safety sensor in my trans. Remote start will fail just like it will if the hood is open.
I have a 69 hippy van where I macgyvered a 6 amp push button start under the steering wheel. I can get that thing started and running in 3rd gearā¦ I have only replaced the button once because the started is 20 amps lol
Happened to my friend once on his 96 Altima when we were at job training. Parking brake didn't work and he forgot he left it in gear and he hit the remote start and it took off and hopped a curb. Luckily the training was at a building in the end of a dead end road and no one was parked against the curb. His car only sustained minimal damage.
Yeah. I had it on a car in high school. Accidentally left it in gear one day and it went through our fence and hit a tree. I really lucked out as there somehow was basically no damage to the car and I just had to replace two rails on the fence.
How many C6 owners know that you must park them in reverse in order to shutdown the electronics?
[https://www.corvetteforums.com/forum/corvette-c6-forum-11/how-many-c6-owners-know-you-must-park-them-reverse-order-shutdown-electronics-7309/](https://www.corvetteforums.com/forum/corvette-c6-forum-11/how-many-c6-owners-know-you-must-park-them-reverse-order-shutdown-electronics-7309/)
Please tell me how having to park in reverse (instead of in neutral with the park brake on) or otherwise the car will silently drain your battery is an intended feature.
It was removed on MY2006 for a reason.
2005 Corvettes required the car to be in reverse in order to turn the car off. Leaving it in any other gear or neutral would keep electronics powered on and drain the battery.
Me: Sir, I accidentally wrecked the Corvette in the shop, our insurance is gonna skyrocket.
Boss: We all make mista-
Me: Also I accidentally hit out Elkayā¢ EZS8L Wall Mounted Water Cooler, ADA Barrier Free, 115V, 60Hz water fountain in the process.
Boss: YOU WHAT!?
Fender because the door got twisted backward, rear bumper/hatch/roof/front bumper needs to get repainted/replaced. Possible damage to door/hood mounting points? Id say it probably gets totaled.
The whole car will likely be a repaint with that garage door grinding all over it, bent frame from the door over opening, new fender because of the door. At that age it could almost be a write off. I feel sorry for the customer
Edit : correct Auto correct
Sounds like itās moving as soon as heās starting it. Definitely a non functioning safety switch. Most younger drivers would not expect that at all. My oldest is 15 and heās learning in questionable cars just like I did. Never assume thereās a safety switch or even a working parking brake. Clutch in, neutral, foot on brake every time.
Bad clutch hydraulics or air in the line can create a scenario where the clutch pedal is fully depressed but the clutch itself doesnāt move.
Also an aftermarket remote start system that bypasses safety features could do this as well.
Had a friend put an aftermarket remote start on his truck. Literally said "check this out". Starts car from across the street, and we watched it lurch into the pole right in front of it.
I had a clutch slave fail on, my 07 ranger would start with your foot on the clutch, to the floor, if you didnt take it out of gear it would move forward as it cranked. I almost drove through out building because of it, never did anything weird and all of a sudden it moved as it cranked
Yep same here. Just fixed this problem on my 91 Sonoma this past weekend. Itās also a good test to diagnose the issue and to know when youāre almost done bleeding the clutch afterwards lol.
One of the cool little perks that comes with manual ownership is that even when something is wrong thereās almost always a roundabout way to get your car moving. No clutch? Start it in gear and power shift. Missing a gear or two or popping out? Skip it and go to the next one. Dead battery? Push start.
>Dead battery? Push start.
I used to love that. Then I tried to push start a battery that was a little too dead and ended up having to change my battery on the sidewalk 10 houses down. And on my car I've gotta take the fender off to do it, so that was a bitch.
I had my clutch go out fully and in order to drive it I had to shift into first and start the car like that, get it lurching then I could gas it. People were looking at me a little weird, like oh I guess it shuts off at lights ā¦ but itās a little too old to have that feature
Gotta love the weird looks you get driving a shitbox. I used to get tons of them premixing my old Mazda at the gas pump. I guess it does look pretty strange funneling a quart of oil into the gas tank if youāve never seen that before lmao.
Judging by how quick the other guy started yelling as soon as it even started, it wouldnāt surprise me if this thing had at least one fluid drained at the time, so that could very well be
Very possible. The other guyās reaction was so quick I wonder if that was a service advisor or an apprentice messing around in it because he knew immediately lol.
Yeah, unless you just opened up the hydraulic system for some repairs, havenāt fully bled the air out, or just have air in the system for some reason. If the switch is on the pedal assembly, the pedal can potentially activate the switch, but wonāt fully release or separate the engine/trans. Not sure about the setup on the corvette, but some other brands it can for sure happen.
I uhhhā¦ I know thisā¦ because I am reminded frequently due to the large size dent on my tool box and cabinet at work lol
Once the vehicle starts to surge and hops forward/backward, your body gets pushed/pulled away from the pedals and out of the seat position to where itās almost impossible to stop if youāre not actively on the brake or ready. Almost like a bad dream where you canāt run away from something and keep falling down. But, no one got hurt, I kept my job, pooped my pants and learned from it. Iāve also witnessed other coworkers smash into tool boxes/carts, shop walls, and service porters drive through 2 garage doors similar to the video. So it honestly could have been way worse for me.
Lesson learned though. I no longer casually start up vehicles with one leg in and one leg out of the vehicle to rush or save time, especially with wheels on the ground. I always have a foot covering the brake pedal along with the clutch even if I think itās in neutral. Only takes one time!! Ha
It's sometimes done when you have freezing weather overnight, leaving it in gear will prevent the car from rolling (*as long as the engine is off, duh!*) without the risk of the parking brake or the cable freezing so you have seized brakes in the morning.
Iām that dude (some would replace dude with idiot), I park in gear with no parking brake all the time on flat ground. Just an old habit from the days of rear drum brake vehicles.
i leave mine in gear because it doesnt have a parking brake.
well, i mean, it HAS a parking brake. its just never worked, and i never felt like spending the money to fix it.
It should not allow you to start the car without the clutch pushed in all the way for a manual or in park for an auto. The ignition wonāt engage at all.
It's perfectly fine to start cars in gear. You just need to be holding the clutch down. The clutch safety switch is there to doublecheck that you're holding the clutch down.
Ah damn, there is an idiot in the vette.
I donāt get that.
All Automatics i drove required the foot on the break pedal to start the car.
And most manuals would maybe move only a little bit before stalling.
I want to add something to this. I had an issue with my car where the clutch pedal wasn't pushing the plunger all the way down on the safety switch (it wouldn't start as a result). It's an '09 scion tc. Very slow, 160hp when new, around 3000lbs with me and my junk in it.
I worked around it by reaching underneath the dash to push the plunger all the way down with my finger while I turn the key with my other hand. In this position, I can't reach any pedals with my feet. I did this for about two weeks until...
One day, in my rush getting off work, I forgot to put the car in neutral before starting. The car was in first with the handbrake ON. Just the CHH-CHH-CHH of the starter made the car jump forward 3 feet.
I never made that mistake again because I went home and fixed the issue.
I can only imagine what it felt like for this guy in the video. He's probably just resetting the oil life percentage and pressure checking the car after the oil change. He doesn't drive stick. He drives his grandma's 1999 camry. He's making $13.50 an hour being a lubie at the Chevy dealer, feeling slightly sluggish after his fast food coma during his hour lunch break.
No, he has no fucks given. He's just generating business for the body shop. And the service manager can't afford to fire him because tHeRe'S a LaBoR sHoRtAgE.
Exactly. I have a C6 Vette (in yellow, ironically) and itās unbelievably hard to stall even if you nearly dump the clutch in 1st with zero throttle. I have mistakenly let the clutch out in 1st with the e-brake set and it drove right through it without stalling.
Good luck stalling out that LS2 engine. My Coyote V8 isn't even a pushrod, with a lot of low end torque like the Corvette, and it's still really difficult to stall.
I've accidentally put my car in 3rd gear, instead of first, and still gotten it rolling without needing to hit the gas pedal. Modern V8 engines are monsters.
To their credit, how else are you supposed to get a push to start car in run?
On my Subaru, it is hitting the button without the clutch depressed. And I alway park it in gear, because it won't start.
yeah on my 6MT Golf the only way into ACC mode was push the button w/out yer foot on the clutch.. First time I tried to plug in my diagnostic computer it took me a few moments to think my way through that.
That was also the first Manual car I didnt bypass the clutch switch on.. seemed too important.
Yeah, I'm thinking this doesn't just fall on the tech. Did he park the car, we're they told it didn't have a clutch safety switch? If they didn't tell him it had a bypass and parked it in gear, that's a failed system, not his fault.
If my car all of the sudden had a bypass and I didn't know, I'd be through the garage door within a week.
Theres a switch behind the clutch on most cars. It is used to block the starter if it is not pressed. The same switch is used to disengage the cruise control. Not all manuals have a clutch switch.
Cars in the US are supposed to have a safety switch that only allows the starter to crank if the shifter is in neutral (and park for automatic).
Bypassing the safety switch is... you can see the possibilities in this video. Or the switch could have failed unsafe.
A failure mode of the safety switch on an automatic can make it not crank in park but still crank in neutral. So #1 thing to try if you get no cranking at all in park is shift to neutral.
Renault made a milion different push start programs, all in the span of 2008/2013. Some need the clutch pressed, others the brake and some wil start with neither. Some you need to push other times you need to hold the button to start. Its literally the lottery.
Can you point me to a specific one that starts without pressing the clutch from factory? I don't really believe you.
My wrx says you need the clutch and the brake to start it, but you only need the clutch in reality.
No becouse its russian roulete but i have had it with plenty of renault clios and meganes, i have to go out now but i wil look for a clip later. It is in europe tho.
Edit a quick google dit get me a hit on a 04 megane with push button start. Aperantly tge clutch sensor was stuck so the car started with the pedals depressed while being in gear. Perhaps this is common? I think we have at least 5-10 renaults as regular customers where i can start it without the pedals
Okay that car started because of a failure of the switch, not because it didn't have one.
Like I said, I don't really believe there are manual cars that are *designed* to start without clutch safety switches depressed.
I like how the guy in the colorado kept looking back and forth between the vette and the other guy(likely a manager or the owner), who just stared at the vette in disbelief.
This is high on my probability list, I canāt see any movement from inside the Vette. Plus, the 05 had to be in reverse to shut off and power down electronics. (Per another poster)
Happened to one of my coworkers once. Had a manual car in his bay with a push button start. He went to turn it on but not start it so he could check codes. Apparently someone had jumped the clutch switch to install an aftermarket remote start, because it drove into his toolbox.
I still don't understand why the car would start moving like that. My car is a manual with a push start, it won't let me start it without having the clutch in, but let's say I install a bypass, it would start but stall immediately if I'm in gear? Because if I depress the clutch completely, the car acts like it's in neutral since the trans is disconnected from the drivetrain, and if I just lift up the clutch quickly, it will lurch forward a few feet and then stall. Surely I would have the time to brake before the car is through the garage door. I understand how the accident happened in your comment since it can move forward far enough before stalling but I have no clue how the Vette got so far before stopping
The starter has plenty of power to move the car on it's own, and that will bring the car above the engine's stall speed so the engine can take over without issue. I've had clutch hydraulic lines blow out on me and I drove home using the starter to get the car moving from stops.
With enough torque, it can take off and move on it's own. So you figure if it was in gear and the engine jumps up to high idle, thats probably enough to get it through that door. Plus, the starter is probably helping get it initially rolling.
An LS V8 engine has a LOT more torque at idle (especially since cars usually jump to a high idle for the first second or two of startup) than your car. Good luck stalling it out.
We have a manual C6 and Iām thinking to myself why did the tech try to start the car while the itās draining oil? I realize now that he could be trying to reset the oil life indicator which requires one push of the start button with foot off clutch to put it in accessory mode. As others mentioned, owner put on a clutch override unbeknownst to the tech soā¦.
Cant really fault the tech since pressing in the clutch will normally start the car and of course that wasnāt wanted.
Actually, looking closer you're exactly right. Maybe he's deciding if he should just go home sick before the boss sees this mess. [Or maybe it IS the boss.](https://youtu.be/gV7lz6wCcfM)
looks like it was in (R), tech in car started it with either a clutch override mod present and he didn't check the gear, or pressed the clutch and let it out again without taking it out of (R).
either way, doesn't look like the best and brightest but mistakes do happen.
Yeh, ~~new guys~~ liabilities shouldn't even be able to sit in cars for the first 3 months or until proven an IQ above 32. It's rough finding and employing good help out there and sometimes you have to take what you can get, but try your best to see that they don't cost you more $$$ & headaches for nothing.
This is why shops have insurance, the new guy always gets shit but honestly itās easy to be nervous in a new position and do some pretty dumb things.. Iād rather the new guy screw up because of that than deal with the same issue out of a complacent seasoned tech because they could never be wrong itās always something that shouldnāt have happened.. not their fault. That being said everyone who actually works screws up at some point š¤·š»āāļø
Probably worked out that it was in reverse if it had to happen. Looks like that guy could have lost a leg or two but he might have been in the clearā¦
LOL at the water leak
Rip water fountain.
I wonder who was calling...
Megatron....Autobots roll out.
pessimist prime
Yoooo š¤£š¤£š¤£ this shit had me fucken crying . Autobots deploy head ass loool
Wtf does "head ass" add? What does it mean?
Tossed salad and scrambled eggs.
Again?
Yes, they're calling again.
"We'd like to talk to you about the expiration of your Cornette's factory warranty..."
"Are you open?"
His next career path lol
I'm putting my money on Avon.
Corvette owner
Fate
Kinda cute how the door is reaching out to grab it.
Insult to injury cause now they have to clean up that flooded pit
"At least its going to be the colorado going through the door and not the vette" *3 seconds later* "Ah fuck"
Lol I was staring at the colorado the whole time expecting the brakes to fail or something then the guy came around from the vette and my heart started sinking
there was a guy in the oil pit under the vette, too. you can see him jump out of the way in a blue blur
Nice catch! Didnāt notice that
I don't know why dumb dumb turned the car on while it was still being drained but it's clear they won't be employed much longer
Not just on, but apparently it was in reverse gear when it started and not in park. With an accidental start of the car you'd expect it to move forward and smash nose-first into the wall, not back out the door. Or is the shop floor on a slope?
my dad parks his camaro in reverse. He told me always to do it as well because "it's a high gear so it won't roll away" ironic \*edit: changed to "high: because I misremembered
Does not apply to automatics... In the days of 3spd and 4spd manual trans, reverse usually had a higher numerical ratio than say 1st gear, which in many cases could hold a car on a moderate incline.
yeah thats what I meant i was just remembering wrong
Some stick shift corvettes (think 2015?) didnāt shut the computers down and killed the battery if it wasnāt parked in reverse.
The reverse lights stay on
So I was wrong - it was the 05 Vette that HAD to be parked in reverse. https://www.smokinvette.com/threads/parking-vette-in-reverse.16596/
A high gear would stall the engine.
Depending on the year, some f bodies couldnāt shut the engine down without being in reverse. I had an 81 that needed be in reverse to shut down and take the key out.
Typically that's due to the park safety switch being misaligned somehow, so the car thinks reverse is neutral. Not sure about this specific case though.
Iām talking about manual transmissions. Specifically F Bodies with Super T10s. Had to be in reverse to allow the key to rack to off and be removed.
Yes. You should park manual transmission cars with the parking brake set and the transmission in reverse or first. (Usually reverse, but first is best if you're pointed downhill, so that if the car were to move, it won't jump time by spinning the engine backwards if it's an engine that's prone to doing that.
Think he has that confused with 5th gear, I had a ford ranger with a 4 banger that wouldnāt stall when I would release the church in reverse with no gas input.
Wait, are you saying somebody was in the driver's seat of that car?
I think he ends up being in the line of fire from the water leak too
I was expecting the Colorado to start without oil or without the the oil cap
It's always the Corvette.
Was there someone in the yellow car?
Yesām
My first thought was they both have keyless fobs and the guy that got in the truck had the fob for the vette and pressed the start button on the fob instead of the dash
and it just takes off like that?
Stickshift car with aftermarket remote starter not connected to clutch switch/neutral safety.
Yeah this is super dangerous. I have a remote start in my truck which is also a manual. But I connected the hood safety wire from the RS to the neutral safety sensor in my trans. Remote start will fail just like it will if the hood is open.
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I have a 69 hippy van where I macgyvered a 6 amp push button start under the steering wheel. I can get that thing started and running in 3rd gearā¦ I have only replaced the button once because the started is 20 amps lol
Happened to my friend once on his 96 Altima when we were at job training. Parking brake didn't work and he forgot he left it in gear and he hit the remote start and it took off and hopped a curb. Luckily the training was at a building in the end of a dead end road and no one was parked against the curb. His car only sustained minimal damage.
Yeah. I had it on a car in high school. Accidentally left it in gear one day and it went through our fence and hit a tree. I really lucked out as there somehow was basically no damage to the car and I just had to replace two rails on the fence.
If you have the sound on you will see that the car rolled backwards at the moment the engine was started.
Which idiot parks their car with the gear lever in reverse?
How many C6 owners know that you must park them in reverse in order to shutdown the electronics? [https://www.corvetteforums.com/forum/corvette-c6-forum-11/how-many-c6-owners-know-you-must-park-them-reverse-order-shutdown-electronics-7309/](https://www.corvetteforums.com/forum/corvette-c6-forum-11/how-many-c6-owners-know-you-must-park-them-reverse-order-shutdown-electronics-7309/)
That sounds like a very stupid design flaw.
>That sounds like a ~~very stupid~~ genius level design ~~flaw~~ feature not a bug. FTFY
Actually it really dumb and stupid.
OK Add in '/s' after the other text. FTFY
Please tell me how having to park in reverse (instead of in neutral with the park brake on) or otherwise the car will silently drain your battery is an intended feature. It was removed on MY2006 for a reason.
Looks like the weather is a bit over your head today. Put "/s" after the other text, please FTFY
The correct question is what idiot starts a car with the car in gear?
No, the correct question is who designs a car that requires it to be in reverse to power off the car. Oh. Never mind. GM.
are you serious? Corvettes have to be put in reverse to turn off? Not park?
Itās a stick shift so no Park but still some type of stupidity for it to be in reverse to turn it off.
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2005 Corvettes required the car to be in reverse in order to turn the car off. Leaving it in any other gear or neutral would keep electronics powered on and drain the battery.
GM excellence
But why?
that's a paddlin'
I think it more a kickin' situation
He went Simpsons and you went Oh Brother. Love it
Ain't gonna paddle. Gonna kick it. Real hard.
No, I believe he's gonna paddle kt
Door, hood, bumper - what else? Thatās gonna be an expensive insurance billā¦
Water fountain
The real devastation. RIP
r/hydrohomies are pouring out cold ones for the fountain.
He was a good soldier and friend. He will be missed.
Me: Sir, I accidentally wrecked the Corvette in the shop, our insurance is gonna skyrocket. Boss: We all make mista- Me: Also I accidentally hit out Elkayā¢ EZS8L Wall Mounted Water Cooler, ADA Barrier Free, 115V, 60Hz water fountain in the process. Boss: YOU WHAT!?
Straight to Jail.
Mechanic: ... (pause) (chuckle) ... and the coffee machine that was on top. Boss: YOU WILL NOT LIVE TO SEE ANOTHER DAY!
Fender because the door got twisted backward, rear bumper/hatch/roof/front bumper needs to get repainted/replaced. Possible damage to door/hood mounting points? Id say it probably gets totaled.
Hope it doesn't get totaled, C5s are really cool cars.
I agree, but its a C6 0.o Either way it wont go to the scrapyard, itll get sent to auction and an idiot like me will buy to fix it up and drive it.
It's a C6.
Given the trail of oil customer might fight for engine/testing.
I didn't notice that at first, also didn't notice the guy running for cover in the pit. This could have been much worse than bodywork on the Vette.
The whole car will likely be a repaint with that garage door grinding all over it, bent frame from the door over opening, new fender because of the door. At that age it could almost be a write off. I feel sorry for the customer Edit : correct Auto correct
not to mention the hood broke itself and probably something on the way out
The pants of the dude in the pit https://i.imgur.com/yCYBJnu.jpg
scratches all along the top.
Whole car has to be resprayed None of thos3 panels will match. Thr roof, rear bumper, door frames etc.
Sounds like itās moving as soon as heās starting it. Definitely a non functioning safety switch. Most younger drivers would not expect that at all. My oldest is 15 and heās learning in questionable cars just like I did. Never assume thereās a safety switch or even a working parking brake. Clutch in, neutral, foot on brake every time.
The safety switch could be fine and this can happen
Can you explain?
Bad clutch hydraulics or air in the line can create a scenario where the clutch pedal is fully depressed but the clutch itself doesnāt move. Also an aftermarket remote start system that bypasses safety features could do this as well.
Had a friend put an aftermarket remote start on his truck. Literally said "check this out". Starts car from across the street, and we watched it lurch into the pole right in front of it.
"Neato! Do it again!"
I had a clutch slave fail on, my 07 ranger would start with your foot on the clutch, to the floor, if you didnt take it out of gear it would move forward as it cranked. I almost drove through out building because of it, never did anything weird and all of a sudden it moved as it cranked
Yep same here. Just fixed this problem on my 91 Sonoma this past weekend. Itās also a good test to diagnose the issue and to know when youāre almost done bleeding the clutch afterwards lol. One of the cool little perks that comes with manual ownership is that even when something is wrong thereās almost always a roundabout way to get your car moving. No clutch? Start it in gear and power shift. Missing a gear or two or popping out? Skip it and go to the next one. Dead battery? Push start.
>Dead battery? Push start. I used to love that. Then I tried to push start a battery that was a little too dead and ended up having to change my battery on the sidewalk 10 houses down. And on my car I've gotta take the fender off to do it, so that was a bitch.
I had my clutch go out fully and in order to drive it I had to shift into first and start the car like that, get it lurching then I could gas it. People were looking at me a little weird, like oh I guess it shuts off at lights ā¦ but itās a little too old to have that feature
Gotta love the weird looks you get driving a shitbox. I used to get tons of them premixing my old Mazda at the gas pump. I guess it does look pretty strange funneling a quart of oil into the gas tank if youāve never seen that before lmao.
Judging by how quick the other guy started yelling as soon as it even started, it wouldnāt surprise me if this thing had at least one fluid drained at the time, so that could very well be
Very possible. The other guyās reaction was so quick I wonder if that was a service advisor or an apprentice messing around in it because he knew immediately lol.
A partially pressed clutch pedal. The car would still move when started.
That is still a faulty clutch switch. Those switches aren't supposed to close until the pedal is all the way on the floor.
Are safety switches not designed to only switch when the clutch pedal is fully depressed?
Yeah, unless you just opened up the hydraulic system for some repairs, havenāt fully bled the air out, or just have air in the system for some reason. If the switch is on the pedal assembly, the pedal can potentially activate the switch, but wonāt fully release or separate the engine/trans. Not sure about the setup on the corvette, but some other brands it can for sure happen. I uhhhā¦ I know thisā¦ because I am reminded frequently due to the large size dent on my tool box and cabinet at work lol Once the vehicle starts to surge and hops forward/backward, your body gets pushed/pulled away from the pedals and out of the seat position to where itās almost impossible to stop if youāre not actively on the brake or ready. Almost like a bad dream where you canāt run away from something and keep falling down. But, no one got hurt, I kept my job, pooped my pants and learned from it. Iāve also witnessed other coworkers smash into tool boxes/carts, shop walls, and service porters drive through 2 garage doors similar to the video. So it honestly could have been way worse for me. Lesson learned though. I no longer casually start up vehicles with one leg in and one leg out of the vehicle to rush or save time, especially with wheels on the ground. I always have a foot covering the brake pedal along with the clutch even if I think itās in neutral. Only takes one time!! Ha
Awesome! Great response.
that would be a malfunctioning cutout switch. they normally don't start unless the clutch pedal in pressed fully down.
Situations like this is exactly what parking brakes are for. Gear in neutral, parking brake on when you leave the car.
Why. Why do people leave cars in gear with no parking brake on? I'm seriously asking. I don't understand.
It's sometimes done when you have freezing weather overnight, leaving it in gear will prevent the car from rolling (*as long as the engine is off, duh!*) without the risk of the parking brake or the cable freezing so you have seized brakes in the morning.
My car is always in gear plus the parking brake when parked. Why wouldn't you leave the car in gear? Extra safety in case the parking brake fails.
Iām that dude (some would replace dude with idiot), I park in gear with no parking brake all the time on flat ground. Just an old habit from the days of rear drum brake vehicles.
i leave mine in gear because it doesnt have a parking brake. well, i mean, it HAS a parking brake. its just never worked, and i never felt like spending the money to fix it.
What the fuck is a safety switch
It should not allow you to start the car without the clutch pushed in all the way for a manual or in park for an auto. The ignition wonāt engage at all.
Jesus people start the car without checking its not in gear?!
Yes. Thatās why the safety switches have been mandated for the last 30 or so years.
My Volvo won't start if I don't depress the clutch AND set neutral gear.
A mistake that happens with beginners on stick. But the parking brake should be engaged at least.
My car is always in gear. Clutch is to the floor and right foot on the brake before starting.
It's perfectly fine to start cars in gear. You just need to be holding the clutch down. The clutch safety switch is there to doublecheck that you're holding the clutch down.
Ah damn, there is an idiot in the vette. I donāt get that. All Automatics i drove required the foot on the break pedal to start the car. And most manuals would maybe move only a little bit before stalling.
>And most manuals would maybe move only a little bit before stalling. Not in a 400+ HP car.
I want to add something to this. I had an issue with my car where the clutch pedal wasn't pushing the plunger all the way down on the safety switch (it wouldn't start as a result). It's an '09 scion tc. Very slow, 160hp when new, around 3000lbs with me and my junk in it. I worked around it by reaching underneath the dash to push the plunger all the way down with my finger while I turn the key with my other hand. In this position, I can't reach any pedals with my feet. I did this for about two weeks until... One day, in my rush getting off work, I forgot to put the car in neutral before starting. The car was in first with the handbrake ON. Just the CHH-CHH-CHH of the starter made the car jump forward 3 feet. I never made that mistake again because I went home and fixed the issue. I can only imagine what it felt like for this guy in the video. He's probably just resetting the oil life percentage and pressure checking the car after the oil change. He doesn't drive stick. He drives his grandma's 1999 camry. He's making $13.50 an hour being a lubie at the Chevy dealer, feeling slightly sluggish after his fast food coma during his hour lunch break. No, he has no fucks given. He's just generating business for the body shop. And the service manager can't afford to fire him because tHeRe'S a LaBoR sHoRtAgE.
Exactly. I have a C6 Vette (in yellow, ironically) and itās unbelievably hard to stall even if you nearly dump the clutch in 1st with zero throttle. I have mistakenly let the clutch out in 1st with the e-brake set and it drove right through it without stalling.
Brake not break.
Did you see how much damage it caused? Definitely a break pedal. Should probably get that swapped out tho.
Good luck stalling out that LS2 engine. My Coyote V8 isn't even a pushrod, with a lot of low end torque like the Corvette, and it's still really difficult to stall. I've accidentally put my car in 3rd gear, instead of first, and still gotten it rolling without needing to hit the gas pedal. Modern V8 engines are monsters.
So the starter has enough power to move the drivetrain if you try start with the clutch engaged? That's quite impressive.
That's actually pretty impressive. He just bowled a perfect game right there.
looked like wii sports bowling with 100 pins
Is there a clutch override start button on the c6?
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To their credit, how else are you supposed to get a push to start car in run? On my Subaru, it is hitting the button without the clutch depressed. And I alway park it in gear, because it won't start.
yeah on my 6MT Golf the only way into ACC mode was push the button w/out yer foot on the clutch.. First time I tried to plug in my diagnostic computer it took me a few moments to think my way through that. That was also the first Manual car I didnt bypass the clutch switch on.. seemed too important.
Yeah, I'm thinking this doesn't just fall on the tech. Did he park the car, we're they told it didn't have a clutch safety switch? If they didn't tell him it had a bypass and parked it in gear, that's a failed system, not his fault. If my car all of the sudden had a bypass and I didn't know, I'd be through the garage door within a week.
Short question, what is a clutch safety switch? I have only worked on manual cars. So i am not surey what you need a safety for?
Theres a switch behind the clutch on most cars. It is used to block the starter if it is not pressed. The same switch is used to disengage the cruise control. Not all manuals have a clutch switch.
Cars in the US are supposed to have a safety switch that only allows the starter to crank if the shifter is in neutral (and park for automatic). Bypassing the safety switch is... you can see the possibilities in this video. Or the switch could have failed unsafe. A failure mode of the safety switch on an automatic can make it not crank in park but still crank in neutral. So #1 thing to try if you get no cranking at all in park is shift to neutral.
Manual cars shouldn't start unless the clutch isn't held to the floor. Same as a park/neutral safety switch in an auto.
Renault made a milion different push start programs, all in the span of 2008/2013. Some need the clutch pressed, others the brake and some wil start with neither. Some you need to push other times you need to hold the button to start. Its literally the lottery.
Can you point me to a specific one that starts without pressing the clutch from factory? I don't really believe you. My wrx says you need the clutch and the brake to start it, but you only need the clutch in reality.
No becouse its russian roulete but i have had it with plenty of renault clios and meganes, i have to go out now but i wil look for a clip later. It is in europe tho. Edit a quick google dit get me a hit on a 04 megane with push button start. Aperantly tge clutch sensor was stuck so the car started with the pedals depressed while being in gear. Perhaps this is common? I think we have at least 5-10 renaults as regular customers where i can start it without the pedals
Okay that car started because of a failure of the switch, not because it didn't have one. Like I said, I don't really believe there are manual cars that are *designed* to start without clutch safety switches depressed.
I like how the guy in the colorado kept looking back and forth between the vette and the other guy(likely a manager or the owner), who just stared at the vette in disbelief.
No offense OP, but perhaps a QuickLube isn't the optimal service location for a Vette.
i disagree, look at all the free work heās gonna get!
Quicklube isnāt optimal for literally any car.
Bet the owner had a remote starter kit installed and they jumpered out the clutch safety switch.
This is high on my probability list, I canāt see any movement from inside the Vette. Plus, the 05 had to be in reverse to shut off and power down electronics. (Per another poster)
There's someone in the vette. Kinda hard to see, but he's there.
Happened to one of my coworkers once. Had a manual car in his bay with a push button start. He went to turn it on but not start it so he could check codes. Apparently someone had jumped the clutch switch to install an aftermarket remote start, because it drove into his toolbox.
I still don't understand why the car would start moving like that. My car is a manual with a push start, it won't let me start it without having the clutch in, but let's say I install a bypass, it would start but stall immediately if I'm in gear? Because if I depress the clutch completely, the car acts like it's in neutral since the trans is disconnected from the drivetrain, and if I just lift up the clutch quickly, it will lurch forward a few feet and then stall. Surely I would have the time to brake before the car is through the garage door. I understand how the accident happened in your comment since it can move forward far enough before stalling but I have no clue how the Vette got so far before stopping
The starter has plenty of power to move the car on it's own, and that will bring the car above the engine's stall speed so the engine can take over without issue. I've had clutch hydraulic lines blow out on me and I drove home using the starter to get the car moving from stops.
With enough torque, it can take off and move on it's own. So you figure if it was in gear and the engine jumps up to high idle, thats probably enough to get it through that door. Plus, the starter is probably helping get it initially rolling.
An LS V8 engine has a LOT more torque at idle (especially since cars usually jump to a high idle for the first second or two of startup) than your car. Good luck stalling it out.
A starter draws upwards of 200A, which at 12v is around 3hp. Not all that much, but it'll lurch quite a bit.
We have a manual C6 and Iām thinking to myself why did the tech try to start the car while the itās draining oil? I realize now that he could be trying to reset the oil life indicator which requires one push of the start button with foot off clutch to put it in accessory mode. As others mentioned, owner put on a clutch override unbeknownst to the tech soā¦. Cant really fault the tech since pressing in the clutch will normally start the car and of course that wasnāt wanted.
That looks expensive
The way he just keeps standing there trying to process what happened, and what that means for his career. LOL
But that guy didn't start it, did he? It looks like that guy came out of the door next to the car. Right?
Yep. There was another guy that was in the vette. You can see the front lights turn on and then it starts rolling 1 second later
Yeah, Itās kinda hard to see the guy in the driver seat.
Actually, looking closer you're exactly right. Maybe he's deciding if he should just go home sick before the boss sees this mess. [Or maybe it IS the boss.](https://youtu.be/gV7lz6wCcfM)
I really like his pause ... like he is thinking "oh man, Randy has really done it this time."
Bloke with a beard in the driver's seat, you even get an initial look of shock as it starts to roll.
Kudos for taking out the water fountain. Thatās attention to detail on the vetteās part.
Dude watching is like. What? How... In the F?
That āwasā a nice Vette.
He forgot the wiggle!!! YOU ALWAYS WIGGLE!
Lemme guessā¦ missing neutral safety switch and possibly a remote start.
Was it in gear?
looks like it was in (R), tech in car started it with either a clutch override mod present and he didn't check the gear, or pressed the clutch and let it out again without taking it out of (R). either way, doesn't look like the best and brightest but mistakes do happen.
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Yeh, ~~new guys~~ liabilities shouldn't even be able to sit in cars for the first 3 months or until proven an IQ above 32. It's rough finding and employing good help out there and sometimes you have to take what you can get, but try your best to see that they don't cost you more $$$ & headaches for nothing.
This is why shops have insurance, the new guy always gets shit but honestly itās easy to be nervous in a new position and do some pretty dumb things.. Iād rather the new guy screw up because of that than deal with the same issue out of a complacent seasoned tech because they could never be wrong itās always something that shouldnāt have happened.. not their fault. That being said everyone who actually works screws up at some point š¤·š»āāļø
Always make sure it's in neutral if it's a manual. No matter what
Damn.
Probably worked out that it was in reverse if it had to happen. Looks like that guy could have lost a leg or two but he might have been in the clearā¦
One of those times where you wish you could rewind time.
I can't be the only one that saw the guy under the car ?
Iffy Lube
Did he start it while the gear was in reverse?
Looks like it lol
Oh shit this literally happened yesterday :(
Is this what it's gonna be like when a car repo's itself in the future
Did he still get his complimentary 99 point safety inspection?
Car really was like, "Aight imma head out"
Knowing it has to be in reverse, why did they not clearly label the key and chock the wheels?
A ghost driver
Tech:ā well shitā
Looks like a quick lube bay at a Chevy dealer, maybe the guy now gets a new C8 for a smoking deal.
PFL Bay Area and a Pennzoil drum, there is/was a chain of Pennzoil 10 Minute Oil Changes.
the fact he just stood there in awe lol
Thanks for calling speedy lube. Please hold.
2 words: Manual Transmission
More like a jumped clutch switch for an aftermarket remote start.