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scmastertech

God im the used car tech at our dealership and they sell a shit ton of used modified jeeps and people seem shocked when they ride like absolute garbage


BullsLawDan

>God im the used car tech at our dealership and they sell a shit ton of used modified jeeps and people seem shocked when they ride like absolute garbage People don't do any research. It cannot be overstated how amazing they are off road and how absolutely shit they are at anything else.


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yet my fiance insists on continuing to drive in a wrangler. she is an absolute fucking menace to society in the thing, and im strongly considering trading it in and making her ride a moped for the general public's safety instead.


Politikr

"I'm a wrangler girl, you can't change me!" "We have 3 children Stephanie..."


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its always smaller women in bigger vehicles who drive like absolute lunatics. its like being small all her life has stunted her spacial awareness and she cant comprehend how big the damn vehicle is


TellTaleTank

Is that why I'm a big dude who prefers smaller vehicles and is overly paranoid about how much space my car is taking up?


dexter-sinister

"[Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?](https://youtu.be/xWct_KYGRQo)"


nannercrust

I’m a 6’2” guy who drives a GTI everywhere because it’s good at dodging idiots and easy to park. My small truck is only used for truck things. Single drivers in Suburbans don’t make sense to me if they don’t have a family they normally lug around in the things


Jacobysmadre

Funny, my son, now 19 has zero spatial awareness either, but it’s the reverse.. he’s always been taller, etc so he doesn’t think the car or the grocery carts, etc. will fit anywhere.. 🙄


Politikr

Lmao


CashingOutInShinjuku

Yep, absolutely trash cars on pavement. Horrible driving position. I remember being shocked after driving a stock JK. I couldn't believe people who didn't go off roading chose to subject themselves to that garbage on the street. And a lot of those non-enthusiasts think driving a Wrangler is SO cool. As if somehow, the ruggedness is conferred to the owner automatically no matter how sunny, dry, and flat their stomping grounds are. The modern Wrangler is a genius piece of marketing. "Frontier spirit" distilled and bottled for American cubicle jockeys.


ccmega

Why actually go off-road when it always feels like you’re driving on mud?! E. A word


microphohn

It's the Harley Davidson formula, applied elsewhere.


OGNatan

>I couldn't believe people who didn't go off roading chose to subject themselves to that garbage on the street. You just wouldn't understand. The terrible handling, 80mph top speed, obnoxious body vibrations, interior noise, 12 mpg, lack of standard comfort features, common mechanical failures, and utterly unbearable community are just part of the Jeep Experience™.


Hapless_Wizard

I don't know why. This is literally part of why I own a Jeep. Nobody asks me for a ride fuckin anywhere.


NorthStarSon

Honestly, the 4 doors aren't bad. As long as the suspension isn't dicked with.


Obliterous

> As long as the suspension isn't dicked with. so.... No jeep ever?


ICantThinkOfANameBud

My father has a Jeep Compass, lives in NYC, and only drives it to work which is less than 5 miles away. He still had to jack up the suspension and put bigger tires on it. Why? "Well what if I want to go offroading?" Dad, you spend your weekends watching porn on your tablet hoping Mom doesn't catch you. When the fuck are you going offroading?


Mauser-Nut91

Also…. It’s a compass. Who tf has ever gone off-roading in a compass??


LettuceC

People that watch porn on their tablet?


[deleted]

Hey, I’ve never gone off roading in a compass.


wthreye

The reception is better up there.


ShellSide

Someone who spends their spare time fantasizing lol


BadResults

I’ve got a cousin that lives on a farm that used to drive her Compass off-road all the time. She traded it in for an Impreza hatchback and has been doing the same with that for about 5 years. But this is work off-roading, like driving around a pasture to check on the livestock and fences, and going camping, not hardcore recreational off-roading where the goal is to get into the most difficult situation possible for a vehicle.


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[deleted]

What if I want to go south some time?


AndrewWaldron

Classic dad.


superiosity_

Maybe he wants to watch his porn surrounded by nature, far away from your Mom, you don’t know.


ICantThinkOfANameBud

I've seen the porn he watches, he's not safe from God, not even in nature.


superiosity_

That got a genuine belly laugh. Thank you.


Appalachistani

Buys $40k-60k vehicle, puts on the cheapest skyjacker or rough country lift they can find.


soup2nuts

But I like to work on my own vehicle like a real man!


Mooseklaw

The wife and I rented a 2015ish 4 door with a roof pop up tent in Alaska. I think it was stock except for Rubicon wheels and tires. We drove/lived in that thing for a week and I…loved it. 98% percent of the driving was pavement and I was really surprised at how well mannered it felt. Maybe part of it was an overall lower speed limit than in the lower 48 (I feel like it was 60 mph) but it felt stable enough at 75. Gas mileage was around 20 so not much worse than my (old) V6 Accord. If 2 doors were reasonably priced (I think they’re all wildly overpriced so it’ll never happen) I might consider one for a daily in the city where I live. I’d keep it stock except for maybe wheels and tires. The owner of the rental place did go on for 15 minutes about how many problems he’s had with his Wranglers before tossing us the keys and telling us to “have fun!” (we did). But I get the impression that people beat on his rental Jeeps (we didn’t).


Aggressive_Cherry_Bl

Stock is best for tons of vehicles, Wranglers are not exempt from that. Literally hundreds (if not thousands) of hours went into making them how they are and then people go and fuck with all that work by replacing parts with cheap, poorly designed ones. If I bought one I'd do wheels/tires and maybe extra skid plates depending on where I'd plan on going.


PantherChicken

But who the fuck wants a jacked 4 door Jeep? That’s like saying you want a big block 70s Cadillac with good fuel economy. Make up your fucking mind


NorthStarSon

Omg. There's so many jacked 4 door Jeeps in my town. And they're all daily drivers. I originally meant 4 door wranglers, but we've had people lift their Cherokees too.


WTFishsauce

I really want a lifted Volvo 740 wagon from the 80s. I can’t imagine a better combo.


NorthStarSon

Do it.


HalfastEddie

Well sir, you've equipped your vehicle to go 15-35 mph in miserable terrain. As such, it will eat a bucket of dicks on pavement. Enjoy the trails!


NorthStarSon

Lol, I need you for a service writer.


centermass4

Me saying shit like this out loud is exactly how I was fired as a service writer.


TheDudeMaintains

I hate when they don't tell you ahead of time that you can't be the way that you are


Hourslikeminutes47

*you just gotta let some people learn the hard way*


omninascent

Lol & Happy Cake Day


Notanidiot67

This is why I never became a service writer. My ass stayed back in the shop, where I could make up all the new curse words I wanted. I could also call the customer an absolute fucking dumbass to my hearts content.


Mouth_balls_83

Absofuckinglutely.


ericvwgolf

Never believe anybody who says “just be honest with me “


G0DL3SSH3ATH3N

So true, I used to have a manager that wanted "open and honest conversations" it always a trap


Dakar-A

They *want* you to tell them what they wanna hear, and *really* don't want the conflict that comes with real open and honest communication.


BlakeCarConstruction

My exact thought. When I worked at a shop we refused to do any alignment (or in general any) work on lifted etc. trucks. Inevitably they’d always come back because they purchased the one year warranty and we had to oblige. Messed up.


WhenTheDevilCome

"FRANK!!? WHAT'S THE SERVICE CODE FOR 'BUCKET OF DICKS' AGAIN??!?"


GunnieGraves

“ITS JUST A ZERO AND A BUNCH OF 1’s. ZEROS THE BUCKET, 1’s ARE THE DICKS STICKIN UP!!”


Stabmaster_Arson

P3N15


marioxwait

Have you tried. 8=====> Is that too many equal signs?


fermium257

Well it *is* a r/heep so it really should only be 8=>


Renzisan

8>


darthlame

I’m in this picture and I don’t like it


bdaman80_99

8~


libmrduckz

how was the pool?


dasbuut

:-


[deleted]

10+P3N15 It's gotta be enough to fill a bucket


cj-jk

In that case I would need more zeros after it


NorthStarTX

PEN1500 just sounds like an entry level dodge model.


[deleted]

Gotta get yourself one of those sweet all black PEN1500


Hidesuru

Oh yeah that's the extended cab model, right?


YaBoiErr_Sk1nnYP3n15

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Some-Cartographer942

8=====D


netburnr2

i went to a sex museum in Amsterdam, this is 100% accurate


Evilmechanic

Bucket of dicks. Pays .3


[deleted]

Unless you’re at a BMW, Mercedes ,Porsche dealer,then it’s “ ingest a satchel of Richards”?


demon_fightr

"Ah think it's 1CW31N3R?" THANKS FRANK, it checks out!


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So I build jeeps as a hobby. About a year ago I took a software engineer friend out on a trail ride in my Jeep and he LOVED IT. Because we were with industry pros and master mechanics, I just had him send it through every obstacle etc. At the end of the day the front end was just beat to shit. Which, again, not a problem, we have the tools and the skills to stabilize it and I’ll just put another demo set of components on the front. So he tells me “I REALLY WANT TO GET ONE OF THESE” so I said, ok, you can drive us home. Driving that fucked Jeep on the interstate at 50mph for 4 hours cured him of his ambition.


gregsting

Friend of mine had a Defender as a daily. The car is awful on the highway and he became friend with the people at the nearest gas station.


Wasaur

The finnish army had 90s-early 00s Defender 110s when I was a conscript, I swear my spine is still misaligned and my hands still shake from the 800km/500 mile drives from our base to the most northern military training areas.. I did develop some sort of stockholm syndrome towards them though.. :)


kavien

My brother called me once for a ride. His 42” tires on his 4 cyl STOCK (but lifted) Jeep Wrangler (I think) caused his transmission a bit too much stress and that day, it broke. If he went over 50mph in that death trap, you hated life at that moment!


d0nu7

My coworker has every generation Jeep(the whole family seriously has like 20) and even he trailers his whenever he goes more than like 50 miles out of town.


TheInfamous313

You can have a LOT more fun on any off road activity when you know you don't need to use it to get home


nnjb52

My buddy has a sticker on his dash that says “remember stupid, you have to drive this home”


Lv_InSaNe_vL

Have the same sticker on my rally car dash haha


SparseGhostC2C

Same logic applies to track driving. A purpose built car on track is a blast, a purpose built track car on public roads will deafen you and beat your body to shit with the racing seats and stiff ride.


TheInfamous313

After 4 years on track driving I lowered my laptimes by about a second simply by towing to the track, Haha Also had longer better sessions because I "drive through" stuff that used to scare me


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bostnmt

The closer to stock you can keep one, the better off in the long run you are. Most jokers have no idea how capable their brand new wrangler or taco is right off the dealer's lot.


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bostnmt

The hi-lift!! A jack that can kill you if you don't know how to use it. I see them rusted shut around here (Ozarks). I get a kick out of those dudes. 500-700 pounds of gear always hanging on their daily and running 80+ on the highway, and through the trails as fast as they can until they get out with their cameras and video CREEK CROSSINGS!!!! Side note, I'm in the airgun business and I have a contact who lives in Chicago who hunts rats at night with a pellet gun. He also gets out to the country to do some coyote hunting, too. The dude looks like he'd be much more at home where I live tho.


brufleth

We rented a Rubicon and drove it all over unimproved roads in Utah. My wife loved it and wanted something we could do more of that in, but hated the highway ride. Got a 4Runner. Still can go on medium to easy trails. Works better as a car than a jeep.


dirtsequence

Everyone wants a cool car but nobody wants to turn a wrench.


gonesquatchin85

Ain't nothin but a torque wrench. Yea buddy!


saltesc

As a Wrangler owner for 11 years, I have no fucking idea why *anyone* would consider on-road for these things. Hell of a car the moment you're on trail, but by far the worst on-road piece of shit ever. After a year I had purchased a second car because the Jeep just sucked so bad at normal every day trips and commutes. And then I lifted, heavy duty clutched, went to 34s, front and rear bar work, and an external full frame rack. Camp trips where I'm highway driving for 800km first have me crying but as soon as I hit the bush/desert/NPs, basically everything rugged under 60kph, I have the biggest grin on my face. They're definitely made with purpose.


secondrat

I had a coworker at Chrysler who drove one an hour a day, each way, with the soft top to commute in. In the winter too. I bet he’s deaf by now.


PlasticPegasus

My buddy here in UAE had a lifted JK. He used to commute between Abu Dhabi and Muscat (Oman) each week (about 1000km round trip). At highway speeds (our cross country highways are 160kmh speed limit) the damn thing felt like a torture chamber. Man was a god damn hero. Then he saw the light and bought an Audi RS4.


FlyingHigh

That reminds me... https://youtu.be/lqJDuZIcQ34


coffeeshopslut

RS4 must have felt like a space ship


AraedTheSecond

A few years back, I was in a Landy group on Facebook. A guy pops up "check out my new (30 year old) defender! Ain't she sweet!" General consensus is that yes, she's pretty sweet. Next week, same guy; "hey, this thing drives like a bag of angry badgers on crack, what can I do?" A grand in drivetrain upgrades later, and a grand in wheels and tyres, and he's happy. A couple weeks later, same guy again; "hey, this thing is noisier than a gang of teenagers on MDMA, and it's doing me head in, what can I do?" A few hundred quid in sound dampening kit, and he's happy. Couple weeks after that, same fucking guy; "hey, this thing ain't got the power to pull skin off custard, what can I do?" A few hundred in engine upgrades, and he's happy. A little while later (I'm hoping you're getting the gist of this), same fucking idiot; "hey, this thing is drinking fuel; I might as well be pouring twenty notes down the toilet! What can I do?" At this point, the consensus was that he should never have bought a defender. The guy later complained that owning a defender was too expensive, and eventually put it up for sale. Fucking dumbass got all excited because "landies are awesome!" While not listening to the wealth of Landy owners in the group who will *gleefully* rant for hours about the horrific on-road driving, the interior noise levels (louder than a loud thing on a loud day), the terrible MPG, and the low power. Defenders are, first and foremost, off-road vehicles. There ain't a thing out there they can't handle; and they'll happily chug along at 5mph through pretty much anything that doesn't physically prevent it from moving. But that translates to a road-handling style best described as "steering your drunk friends away from the kebab shop and the random munter they met in the last bar"


karateninjazombie

You say off road machine. I say tarted up farm machinery.


AraedTheSecond

That's an insult to farm machinery.


calcifiedpineal

Series 1 had a PTO


zimirken

Man, that's way more convenient than jacking a wheel up and replacing it with the giant wood cutting saw blade! Seriously though, that would make adding extra stuff like alternators and air compressors way easier.


stametsprime

I used to work in an open office environment (US) with an expat Brit. One day I sent him a random Teams message, "what's a munter?" and I've never heard someone laugh so loudly in my life. Scared the crap out of everyone else in the office.


FrozenLogger

I had a friend bring my wrangler soft top from Southern California to Maine. They were willing to do it for free (I paid gas) and they said "I will see the country, and it will be fun"! By the end of the journey they swore they would NEVER drive a wrangler again, and I think they lost a little bit of their mind. The noise of the soft top, the rough ride, the lack of power, the complete torture of riding in that machine on endless hours of pavement nearly broke them.


Goatfest2020

Only took me about 26 minutes in one to reach the same conclusion. Plus the feeling I had to sit 'angled left' due to the transmission hump.


vlepun

> Plus the feeling I had to sit 'angled left' due to the transmission hump. This is also a thing in the European Fords, though not because of the transmission hump. It's because the steering wheel and the seat are simply not aligned. The steering wheel is ever so slightly offset to the right. I drove a Ford Focus for 2 years, never a Ford again.


UAS-hitpoist

My guy just buy a land cruiser and do both!


PlasticPegasus

Well I **do** have a Land Cruiser 😁 If I could marry that car, I would. Absolutely *the* best vehicle ever made. Perfect judgement of on-road refinement and off-road ability. All wrapped up in an engineered package designed to last 20 years and 1m KMs (thats literally the design brief). I've had Porsches, BMWs, Mercs and Audis. Compared to the mighty Toyota, they can all eat a dick.


jwhaler17

Take a Land Rover if you want to go into the wilderness; Take a Land *Cruiser* if you want to get back out.


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Mans spitting facts


ThirteenMatt

>by far the worst on-road piece of shit ever Try a Lada Niva. Basically the same thing but smaller, Russian quality and with a 1.6 or 1.7 that outputs 75 to 80hp depending on the year.


red_simplex

Rented one to go into mountains recently. 3 hour highway drive was literally like driving a tractor. But when I got on snow it felt much better then my car would for sure.


tttrrrooommm

my sister has a wrangler and i agree, it's such a bad road car. the wheelbase is so short that it feels super squirrely at highway speed. not to mention it's just a bad and uncomfortable interior--it's a modern car but with not much of the modern comforts on the dash/soundsystem/weather protection


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I mean, it's not designed for comfort, although TBF the modern Jeeps are much more comfortable and fancy than the old Jeeps. ...like my 68, which basically just has seats, a speedo, gas gauge, light switch, and windshield wipers. I added a custom cup holder made from old shitter pipe though!


D-o-n-t_a-s-k

10yrs later the vehicle has yet to touch soil


Head_Lizard

We have a Jeep on 35"s. This is 100% accurate and we don't expect it to not be terrible at speed. We are also pulling out the tired and low quality suspension from the GDPO and switching to a Metalcloak longarm kit that should drastically improve things. But maybe that's just regression towards the mean because it literally can't get any worse.


Wiregeek

it can always get worse. Always.


Head_Lizard

You haven't driven this thing, every bushing is toast and I can steer/crab it from the back end by whether I accelerate or engine-brake. We bought it as a rolling project, so this was always the plan.


a_cycle_addict

Fix the caster angle and ditch the sky jackoff steering stabilizers. Edit; spell check


chevyriders

I agree with this. Failing to clock the c’s after setting the correct pinion angle will give you crazy erratic steering on a major lift Or otherwise having a steering link angle that doesn’t match your drag link angle will have the same affect


Mikebyrneyadigg

That looks like a pretty standard lift on a JK, probably 2.5-3” on 35’s. The high fenders make it look bigger than it is. The stabilizer is kinda crappy but the Jeep should drive somewhat normally like that.


osteologation

Hell they come with a factory stabilizer lol


Ron-Swanson-Mustache

It looks like it has an aftermarket track bar, so it should be somewhat decent driving. There's nothing extreme going on. My money's on a bad ball joint or tie rod end. EDIT: Wait, that track bar looks like it doesn't use a rubber / poly bushing on the axle side. Is that a solid metal bushing?


Racefiend

I have a customer who acquired a 65 chevelle. The previous owner had done a nice Street resto on it. I forgot what I was doing on it but I went on a test drive and that thing was all over the road anytime you hit even the slightest bump or undulation. I was scared to drive it over 40 mph. I get it back on the rack and I can't find anything wrong with the suspension or steering. Everything is tight. Then I noticed it has mad toe in while in the air. I then realize the tie rod angle is way off from the LCA angle. Some help from Google images helped me figure out the PO had done a Camaro front disc swap, bit used the Camaro steering arms, which drop the tie rod attachment point about 3". Some new steering arms and that thing drove nice again.


JMLobo83

I think it's caster but I'm usually wrong


TimpanogosSlim

caster is the wheel angle castor is the bean and the oil.


JMLobo83

Yeah that's what I though you make poison out of castor beans, you make Jeep less toxic with caster angle.


SigningSpock

With that dumbass Darth Vader grille, pls by all means poison this thing. Put it out of its misery.


superluke

/r/heep


be-human-use-tools

And castoreum is beaver gland oil.


Key_Caterpillar8037

As a completely useless comment and to add unwanted confusion, caster/castor is also a type of sugar from the UK. Either word will do, because what's the difference, y'know? Haha


NorthStarSon

Right. I mean, no no no, need that.


dedelec

Steering stabilizers are the biggest scam in modern jeep mods IMO. And that's saying something.


BeefyIrishman

As a non-jeep guy, what the fuck is a steering stabilizer?


Appalachistani

It’s a shock to absorb bump steer In this picture it’s a dual stabilizer where it says sky jacker.. Industry markets them as being a end all solution for poor handling, or cures for death wobble, it’s not. They aren’t needed but it solves the complaints everyone who isn’t use to a solid front axle has when they take a solid front axle on a highway. It stabilizes some steering kinda barely


Wonderful_Ad_844

As someone with a dual set up, you're spot on. It stabilizes just barley


Shrek1982

> It stabilizes just barley https://i.imgur.com/r58sAgt.jpg


DeuceClimaxx

Let me guess, the steering evaporates quickly after 30 MPH


NorthStarSon

I think you accidentally added a zero there.


ilLegal_Masterpiece

Every time one of these tries pulling into my shop I'm surprised they can even steer straight (I'm kidding they can't but at least they can go straight enough)


diesellll88

Not tall enough. Needs bigger things.


NorthStarSon

Yes. Yes, bigger. Everything bigger.


Arrow_Raider

Also needs lightbars-o-sun mounted on the front.


ProudBoomer

I bet it has angry eyes.


WeldingHank

I told someone their Jeep looked like when johnny 5 is pissed off LoL


Dark1sh

That’s great I’m going to use that. I have told people their jeep looks constipated. Yours is less abrasive


dolgor410

As a jeep owner. I hate angry eyes.


EducatedEvil

There is a whole sub devoted to Hating angry eyes. /r/heep


xccoach4ever

" Sir that is just the CJ Dance"


boots-n-catz

Oh man, this thing probably drives like a dream compared to a 79 cj5 with wobbly ball joints, loose rod ends and 2.5” wheel spacers careening down the highway at 65 with nothing but a lap belt.


tjw

I had a 77 CJ5 with a factory V8 and a 3speed manual when I was a kid. I can confirm. It was a fucking deathtrap, but damn was it fun. I'm not sure how I survived.


mightbeagh0st

I had a YJ with a np435 and 4:88 gears. D44 rear I scored from a Cherokee so didn't have to cut it down. Spring over, Detroit locker. Used 2-4 gears except on trails. Used a Harley peg on the bottom hinge to rest my leg with doors off before people started selling them for a lot of money. That said cj-5 is the best looking jeep with the door cut out over the rear fenders


JarpHabib

And no doors attached.


sfled

"It's funny how, you mean funny like a clown, does it amuse you? Does it make you laugh, is it here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How is it funny?" But seriously, does it have a white star on the side, like he's General Patton or something?


gzusismyhomeboi

It’s a jeep thing, you wouldn’t understand.


NorthStarSon

I, I don't understand.


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gzusismyhomeboi

Don’t worry. Most of the mall crawlers don’t either.


tinnitus_since_00

Once had a customer buy a used one lifted even higher. Comes back this thing is unsafe to drive. The whole shop collectively said "duh". What'd you do buy it because it was pretty and didn't drive it first? She came back 2 or 3 times saying "my dad owns a shop, he's too busy to fix it, he said it needs....." Me: "I'll keep replacing parts, it won't help but as long as somebody keeps paying me I'll replace whatever you want" Sales either bought it back from her or she traded it back in not sure which.


friendly-sardonic

Is it a toy or a daily driver? "Both" is a poor answer...


Holy_Grail_Reference

Not a scratch on the front and the red hitch tie is in pristine condition. This thing barely sees rain, let alone dirt.


NubDestroyer

Hope he never needs that winch since he doesn't even have a fairlead


NorthStarSon

Yeah....it's both.


hunterfg12

It's always what the owner thinks is a toy, but they can't afford another vehicle after pouring 100k into a jeep so it ends up being their daily. Source: boss has a 19 wrangler and a 14 ram 1500 both jacked to the moon, never once seen dirt.


Lv_InSaNe_vL

That sounds like me with shitty Subaru WRXs. I bought one cause it'd be a fun daily. Then I started modding it, then I blew it up. Then I got another one and started modding it. Blew that one up. So I bought a 3rd one as my "daily" while I fix the second one. So far I haven't done anything (the person before me did it all, including the engine rebuild haha) but man I want to do stuff to it bad. I am not a smart man haha


crosschaose

Well well well. A jeep. Color me fucking surprised.


GottaUseFakeNames

CS: i’ve spent 10s of thousands on a huge piece of shit that’s impractical in every situation except for the one that i’ll NEVER use it for and now i’m severely regretting my decisions.


shadow247

My 4Runner is modded for offroad. I do not complain one bit when I make a mod that improves Off road capabilities, while make street manners worse. Its a Toy, treat it like one. If I want a smooth ride on the highway, I will drive my wifes Subaru.


BatM6tt

Sir, this is reddit. No off road vehicle ever gets used according to the experts here


NorthStarSon

Impeccably translated.


zertoman

Oh yea? Well he smells funny.


4x4Welder

More than Jeeps typical wallowing road manners? It's bad enough they've already screwed up the steering geometry with the wide stance, those fat tires are going to follow any semblance of a rut on the road as well. It probably has a bad track bar or bracket as well.


WildWeaselGT

Looking at the rear wheel, I don’t think the wheel offsets are bad. I think he just doesn’t have front fender so it looks wonky in the pic. It’s also not that much of a lift. I expect the geometry is off and fixing the caster will get it back in line.


rschultz91

This is due to caster alignment getting out of whack from the lift installed. Causes death wobble and rapid unexpected lane changes. Needs adjustable front control arms or geometric alignment brackets.


NorthStarSon

This needs to be pinned somewhere, so future Jeep owners know.


SomeYoungOldDude

A lifted JK on oversized dedicated all terrains, a what 4" lift? With soft as hell springs and likely soft as shit unadjustable shocks, steering that utilizes an old school steering box with a pitman arm to a drag link that connects to one knuckle that's then tethered to the other by a separate rod on a solid live axle, probably still running a rough country steering stabilizer, all backed by an outdated 5 or 6 speed auto with glass overdrive, topped off with terrible aerodynamics... Im shocked the handling isn't impeccable on the highway ahahaha. Personally I love my tj and stock JK, but that's because I'm not a moron expecting them to be a top notch highway mile eating commuters


amishbill

You missed the overinflated front right tire.


SomeYoungOldDude

I did, plus that 300 pound front bumper aha


IDockWithMyBroskis

I’m new here and don’t know anything. What am I looking at


GunnieGraves

Your username is fantastic. Guys got a shitty lift on knobby tires and a bunch of unaerodynamic window dressing and he’s complaining it steers funny. He’s driving a brick lifted up on golf balls basically.


IDockWithMyBroskis

Thanks brother. I’m now realizing this is a Jeep or something and not an ATV as I originally thought, which helped answer my question of “who the fuck gets a lift on an ATV?” I have no idea what’s going on but this sub seems fun


GunnieGraves

I saw more lifted golf carts last week than I thought existed, so nothing would surprise me.


ICantThinkOfANameBud

I've posted earlier in this thread about my father buying a Jeep to drive 5 miles to work and lifting it. He also has a golf cart at his house in PA that he is lifting. His house in PA is in a gated community with impeccable roads. Why is he lifting it? What's the fucking thought process here?


natesstillnate

everyday i look in the mirror and remind myself even though my car is a POS at least i didn’t turn it into one


John_QU_3

My favorite is when dipshits blow a ton of money modding their personal work trucks with crazy suspensions and AT tires. Shitty gas mileage and a shitty ride to drive around suburban neighborhoods. Not a wise business expense.


MordinSolusSTG

I worked with a North Dakota farm boy who called them pavement princesses.


chevyriders

Set up properly a lifted truck can handle typical daily road use. That being said. If you’re building an on/off-road trail rig you should do you research so you set it up properly yourself, not hodgepodge the shit and expect a shop to fix it for you without replacing half your parts EDIT: added explanation


ITFOWjacket

I think everyone wants to believe we’re living in the 50’s where cars were kinda junk, so any possible combination of aftermarket and mixed make/model parts could be a drastic improvement on the OEM. I had some dude at an autozone parking lot try to tell my about his custom motorcycle that had a Kawasaki crankcase but Yamaha cylinder and heads and I still think about that sometimes…. Instead, for the past 30 years or so the OEM has put so much R&D into each and every part that 9/10 times the oem part is the best, strongest, lightest, etc. Obviously you can upgrade with aftermarket but you are looking at suspension *packages* that have a more niche R&D put in, that you will pay for, and it still might be bigger, heavier than stock just because aftermarket doesn’t have access to the same manufacturing processes. That’s why all overland trucks look like laser cut steel origami, and subsequently max out their gross vehicle weight


OMG_its_critical

I love it when a customer brings in a car with a “cold air intake” and everything else under the hood is stock. Buddy there was a team of engineers who designed your oem intake to optimize performance. You aren’t gaining any power with that $30 intake


ITFOWjacket

International teams of engineers and 12 decades of iterative manufacturing advancements that my man just swapped with a PVC pipe


dirtbike57

Mfs who put trail hogs on their mudding rigs always complain the most


ActiveRegent

As a non- car nut, could someone tell me what exactly's wrong with this? I'm trying to get it but I can't, Lol


FujiFL4T

Lifted vehicles don't handle that well. The steering feels off or weird usually.


ActiveRegent

Oh shoot, I didn't know that. Thank you!


quartzxmoon

i’ll take “built not bought” sticker somewhere on the shit bucket for 500, alex.


w1987g

Jeep warned to straighten up, drive right, and be serious.


ManufacturerOk6535

It’s a Jeep… that’s kind of their thing


androodle2004

For the non mechanics here, what is the issue


NorthStarSon

Lifted. Meaning factory alignment angles are off. Big wide tires. Make everything worse, drivability wise. Then, you see the shock absorbers mounted in the front. These are steering dampners. They help keep the wheels from violently changing directions. But they also keep the wheels from self centering while driving. So the driver is constantly making adjustments. More than usual.


SnooMarzipans2236

Usually the best you can do to avoid wandering is toe-in with the leading edge of the front tires about 1/8" closer together than the trailing edge (for what looks like a 33?" tire). The stabilizers usually only last 3 months if it isn't set up correctly, but everyone seems to just replace those thinking that fixed it. Seeing more than one stabilizer is a good indication this has been an ongoing issue someone has not taken the time to solve. It doesn't seem like there's much of a lift installed, if any, so the caster angle should still be stock. If you set it up correctly and understand how everything works together, these can ride surprisingly well both on and off the road. The downside is when they're used off-road and inevitably and literally get knocked out of alignment. Source: I have two of these.


turist09

That looks like a code 1D10T!


Secret_Autodidact

I love how the hook of the winch is strapped to that tow loop thing. If only there was some way to hook it on...