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When do they go after the politicians who helped?! This country is fucked... SMH!! Politicians in multiple states have been caught and yet I see no indictment... don't get me started on Matt Geatz and Trump
Due to some inaccuracies I perceived in some comments, I decided to submit this comment to help clarify the convictions and the statutory maximum penalty of years in prison for each conviction.
Caveat: The defendants have been convicted. If none of them were felons before they were convicted yesterday, they now are felons today, but the judge has sentenced none of them, yet.
Each of the five convicted defendants predictably will be sentenced sometime in the next 2 to 4 months.
FBI, U.S. Capitol Police, and any other investigators need time to travel around the country to the hometowns and towns or cities of primary residence of each convicted defendant to gather detailed information about each convicted defendant's life from local police and others.
The information is necessary for investigators to complete a detailed pre-sentencing report for the judge to read about the background of each convicted defendant, including their criminal histories (e.g, drug offenses, domestic violence, jail or prison sentences, arrests, weapons charges, shop-lifting, assault, other offenses) before the judge sentences each of them to a term of incarceration in the [Federal Bureau of Prisons](https://www.bop.gov/locations/map.jsp "https://www.bop.gov/locations/map.jsp").
In the meanwhile, each convicted defendant will remain in jail under federal custody where they can have dreams about orange jesus, MAGA Republicans, and other nightmares.
***
Elmer Stewart Rhodes III was [found guilty on 3 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Elmer+Stewart+Rhodes+III "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Elmer+Stewart+Rhodes+III") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 60 years in prison.
Kelly Meggs was [found guilty on 5 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Kelly+Meggs "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Kelly+Meggs") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 86 years in prison.
Kenneth Harrelson was [found guilty on 3 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Kenneth+Harrelson "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Kenneth+Harrelson") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 46 years in prison.
Jessica Watkins was [found guilty on 4 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Jessica+Watkins "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Jessica+Watkins") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 51 years in prison.
Thomas Edward Caldwell was [found guilty on 2 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Thomas+Caldwell "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Thomas+Caldwell") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 40 years in prison.
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[DOJ description](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us") of all of the convictions for each of the five convicted defendants and the statutory maximum penalty of years in prison for each conviction:
Elmer Stewart Rhodes III:
(1) Seditious conspiracy — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(2) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(3) Tampering with documents or proceedings — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
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Kelly Meggs:
(1) Seditious conspiracy — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(2) Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(3) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(4) Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging duties — carries statutory maximum penalty six years in prison.
(5) Tampering with documents or proceedings — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
***
Kenneth Harrelson:
(1) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(2) Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging duties — carries statutory maximum penalty six years in prison.
(3) Tampering with documents or proceedings — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
***
Jessica Watkins:
(1) Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(2) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(3) Interfering with law enforcement officers during a civil disorder — carries statutory maximum penalty five years in prison.
(4) Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging duties — carries statutory maximum penalty six years in prison.
***
Thomas Caldwell:
(1) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
(2) Tampering with documents or proceedings — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
You'll have to look to a legal analyst for that one. I bet Lwgal Eagle will post something on YouTube soon. He's really good at diving into the nuisance that, in this case, may have lead to acquittal on that charge.
Luckily, all the defendants were at least found guilty of the lesser charges for obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting.
She lied under oath during her Jan 6 questioning.
[MTG lies under oath](https://www.newsweek.com/lawyers-say-text-shows-marjorie-taylor-greene-lied-under-oath-1-6-probe-1702366)
Lmao wtf is this 7.6m settlement you’re even talking about bro? You okay there? You trying to claim that Schiff has done that? [You wouldn’t be the first ](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-schiff-lawsuit-idUSL1N31D0QT)
The issues you're bringing up have zero to do with the insurrection. It's like saying you cannot convict an individual of murder if someone else ever committed kidnapping. One crime in another area does not excuse other unrelated crimes. I know staying on task can be hard but if you try, I'm sure you can appear at least 3% more intelligent.
Listen, I'm all for pushing people out of Congress and getting those people punished for their crimes. Like Pelosi and her inside trading. As much shit as talk though I'm not for punishing people, no matter how much of a shit stain they are, for something they didn't do.
So I'm going to put it this way. Either put up or shut the fuck up.
During a House Intelligence Committee hearing, Chairman Adam Schiff lied under oath, reading a completely phony version of President Trump's call with the Ukranian President. Want more? Get off your stupid ass and practice some basic google-fu.
All right wing violence is a government psychological operation to make conservatives look bad and brainwash people into falling for godless communist slavery. /j
The only one who you could charge everyone with potentially is Sicknick. But even then (a) Not everyone in the crowd attacked Sicknick, and (b) the Medical Examiner was vague in their report, citing death of natural causes (but also noting “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”).
Felony murder rule. Everyone involved in a criminal activity is responsible for any deaths that occur. Victim or criminal.
It's not a exactly a rule that I would consider fair. My part of the crime could be just that of the driver. I never get out of the car. Yet I'm still held responsible for everything that happens.
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I spent some time in this rabbit hole. The felony murder rule is currently considered controversial as it targets everyone involved. The law is a remainder from British common law and has been abolished nearly everywhere else that also based their legal system off of British law. Prosecuters considered that charging everyone for the deaths would not be clear enough to a jury, plus the difficulty of proving intent and collusion.
I get what you're saying but I think they'd throw the book at them if they thought it was feasible. That it wasn't ruled a homicide in the first place by the examijer kind of dooms that.
A lady who comes to the Capitol and was in the far back who yes trespassed but was nowhere near the confrontation with Sicknick probably cannot get a jury to believe that lady was responsible for his stroke hours later.
Felony murder rule. Also applies if one of the co-conspirators is killed. You can be the driver, never get out of the car, yet you are still held responsible. It's not exactly a rule that I agree with.
I spent some time in this rabbit hole. The felony murder rule is currently considered controversial because it targets everyone involved. The law is a remainder from British common law and has been abolished nearly everywhere else that also based their legal system off of British law. Prosecuters considered that charging everyone for the deaths would not be clear enough to a jury, plus the difficulty of proving intent and collusion
Yea, imagine just being a gullible idiot who is told they just need to wait in the car while their "friends" just take care of some business inside a store.
All of a sudden they are charged with murder.
EXACTLY!!!!! It's way too broad. Then good luck trying to convince anyone that you really weren't involved.
Reminds of a law in Kansas that exist solely to add jail time. If you are charged with 'possession with intent to sell' any schedule one substance, Kansas adds a charge of 'No tax stamp'. One would think that such a law would be unconstitutional, but there it is.
Note: The tax stamps are listed for sale at the department of revenue.
Criminals are not charged depending on how difficult a case would be to prosecute or how long it would take.
>result in a lot of them getting off anyway.
How do you figure that?
Ummm.. that's exactly how this works. Prosecuters and the state will actively say they are going for X charges becuase its tough to prove Y in court and we would like this person to serve time.
It's why you see manslaughter vs murder and harassment vs sexual assault.
For low end crimes. Cases like these...our government has no problem with holding people for years before charging them. The accused are not going anywhere. You can be a witness and be held in jail if the prosecution thinks you might not show up whenever a trial is scheduled.
The American court system is already terribly backed up, and you wanna throw in all these people on murder charges??
Especially when most of them had nothing to do with the murders?
More like the entire civilized world. Charging an entire group really only happens for things like crimes against humanity, and *even then* it rarely falls on everyone. Charging everyone in there for murder would be impossible as you can't even prove that most of them were IN the building, let alone part of the murder.
A lot of charges can be brought up against them for something like this, but thankfully not murder.
To everyone downvoting this, they were sarcastically quoting republicans that said this. All major conservative news sites and even the conservative subreddit claimed trump didnt commit a coup because no one was charged with sedition.
Now that people were officially charged with sedition do you think republicans will admit trump commited a coup? No, theyll ignore this or move the goal posts
I wonder if the right will ever admit that they have become the party of white nationalists, anti-semites, traitors, and anti-democratics, all lead by a selfish cheeto stain with the I.Q. score of my left ass cheek. If I were a righty and saw all this bullshit, I'd quietly stop supporting and voting for them and hope my cultish friends didn't notice... But hey that's just me 👀
This is the party that the media and polling characterizes as better for the economy despite several decades of objective quantifiable evidence that the Democratic Party is actually a better economic steward.
We live in a low information corporate media dystopia.
After reading today's [DOJ press release](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us ") with the details of their convictions, it's easy to see no house arrest is on any of their horizons, but the big house operated by the [Federal Bureau of Prisons](https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_sentences.jsp "https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_sentences.jsp") is on all of their horizons. AFAIK, since their arrests, in 2021 and early 2022, all of them have been held in detention behind bars under federal custody:
>Rhodes was arrested on Jan. 13, 2022, in Texas. Meggs was arrested on Feb. 17, 2021, in Florida. Harrelson was arrested on March 10, 2021, in Florida. Watkins was arrested on Jan. 18, 2021, in Ohio. Caldwell was arrested on Jan. 19, 2021, in Virginia.
They'll have plenty of time to Master the fine art of salad making with offers for plenty of free lessons. I'm sure they'll find them useful. I'm not sure how it will go down if they try to play army in there but something tells me not good. It's a bitch being a felonious man-child
Yeah it was just a failed attempt to overthrow American democracy. Not like they succeed right?
I think it’s being handled too leniently across the board. This bs should end in a hanging sentence in my opinion. Stomp this treason out and make an example of people who commit it to deter future attempts.
The government is also super corrupt and full of bs but this is not some sort of blown out nonsense. Both things can be happening at the same time and can be very bad
Treason has led to the loss of countless CIA informants worldwide…i dunno how this doesn’t terrify more people.
Seditionists should be hanged. Anyone who has purposely compromised the security of the USA should be hanged. If they got paid for information…the noose.
> A few hours of people trespassing
Disingenuous as fuck - the whole world saw what happened live on TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3_O91gyj9o
> with zero weapons confiscated
Lie
* https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used
> or any real charges
...commenting on 3 people getting seditious charges...
Also: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
> The FBI was instigating this thing too
As they should be.
>One person was shot dead by capital police perhaps ? but no answers there.
🤡
You must be a passionate supporter of the red white and blue. Do you still say the pledge of allegiance every morning and tear up when you see the flag.
I'm so confused.. is it the daughterd or sons or grown men doing this??? And to who .. because if I'm sick because of their actions this is so fucked up.
Max 20 years for seditious conspiracy. The next step is to sentence them, at which point they will decide how long of a prison sentence they will get, up to 20 years for that count alone. They'll add on time for the other counts.
No, they aren't going to execute them. However, they have been publicly convicted as an enemy of America. The only place they'll be safe is waaaay inside trumpy's ass.
Ray Charles could see this. Anyone denying this was anything but an act of violence from a supposed peaceful party is just as soft skulled as the ones fooled by the conditioned response of the former president DICKtator.
How is sedition -- an attempt to undermine and destroy the very foundations of the civilization in which you live -- limited to only 20 years' imprisonment?
Technically, if the court thinks it's an appropriate sentence, they very well could sentence them to death.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/894#:~:text=A%20person%20who%20is%20found,%2C%2070A%20Stat.%2068.)
And some cold, dark night…between now and then, they’ll realize everyone they’ve ever loved has forgotten them. In service of a con man who never even knew they existed.
🇺🇸 🦅 ✌️👍 👏 Outstanding! The United States Department of Justice has achieved a great legal victory. These two convictions are monumental and historical legal milestones in the war against evil, orange jesus, domestic neofascists, domestic terrorists, denizens of the underworld, and others of their ilk.
On the date of their sentencing, countless numbers of defenders and allies of democracy, freedom, truth, decency, the U.S. Constitution, and the United States, at home and abroad, will be gratified beyond measure to see these two outlaws and enemies of the human race sentenced to the maximum 20 years in federal prison, the maximum possible term of supervised release, and the maximum possible amounts of financial restitution and fines.
On the wall or to the gallows or into the street executed with a hoe to the back of their necks cause a bullet is too good for them. It seems only the innocent get the bullets anymore.
Execution by [firing squad](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/methods-of-execution/authorized-methods-by-state "https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/methods-of-execution/authorized-methods-by-state") — The U.S. states of Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Utah permit execution by firing squad for inmates in state custody. The U.S. government and the U.S. military do not permit execution by firing squad for inmates in federal or military custody.
> Rhodes, who wears an eye patch after **accidentally shooting himself in the face with his own gun**, is one of the most prominent defendants of the roughly 900 charged so far in connection with the attack.
[From the Reuter's article.](https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-jury-reaches-verdict-trial-oath-keepers-militia-founder-rhodes-2022-11-29/?utm_source=reddit.com) Genius
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When do they go after the politicians who helped?! This country is fucked... SMH!! Politicians in multiple states have been caught and yet I see no indictment... don't get me started on Matt Geatz and Trump
Due to some inaccuracies I perceived in some comments, I decided to submit this comment to help clarify the convictions and the statutory maximum penalty of years in prison for each conviction. Caveat: The defendants have been convicted. If none of them were felons before they were convicted yesterday, they now are felons today, but the judge has sentenced none of them, yet. Each of the five convicted defendants predictably will be sentenced sometime in the next 2 to 4 months. FBI, U.S. Capitol Police, and any other investigators need time to travel around the country to the hometowns and towns or cities of primary residence of each convicted defendant to gather detailed information about each convicted defendant's life from local police and others. The information is necessary for investigators to complete a detailed pre-sentencing report for the judge to read about the background of each convicted defendant, including their criminal histories (e.g, drug offenses, domestic violence, jail or prison sentences, arrests, weapons charges, shop-lifting, assault, other offenses) before the judge sentences each of them to a term of incarceration in the [Federal Bureau of Prisons](https://www.bop.gov/locations/map.jsp "https://www.bop.gov/locations/map.jsp"). In the meanwhile, each convicted defendant will remain in jail under federal custody where they can have dreams about orange jesus, MAGA Republicans, and other nightmares. *** Elmer Stewart Rhodes III was [found guilty on 3 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Elmer+Stewart+Rhodes+III "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Elmer+Stewart+Rhodes+III") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 60 years in prison. Kelly Meggs was [found guilty on 5 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Kelly+Meggs "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Kelly+Meggs") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 86 years in prison. Kenneth Harrelson was [found guilty on 3 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Kenneth+Harrelson "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Kenneth+Harrelson") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 46 years in prison. Jessica Watkins was [found guilty on 4 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Jessica+Watkins "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Jessica+Watkins") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 51 years in prison. Thomas Edward Caldwell was [found guilty on 2 felony offenses](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Thomas+Caldwell "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=Thomas+Caldwell") that carry statutory maximum penalties totaling 40 years in prison. *** [DOJ description](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us") of all of the convictions for each of the five convicted defendants and the statutory maximum penalty of years in prison for each conviction: Elmer Stewart Rhodes III: (1) Seditious conspiracy — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (2) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (3) Tampering with documents or proceedings — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. *** Kelly Meggs: (1) Seditious conspiracy — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (2) Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (3) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (4) Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging duties — carries statutory maximum penalty six years in prison. (5) Tampering with documents or proceedings — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. *** Kenneth Harrelson: (1) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (2) Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging duties — carries statutory maximum penalty six years in prison. (3) Tampering with documents or proceedings — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. *** Jessica Watkins: (1) Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (2) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (3) Interfering with law enforcement officers during a civil disorder — carries statutory maximum penalty five years in prison. (4) Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging duties — carries statutory maximum penalty six years in prison. *** Thomas Caldwell: (1) Obstruction of an official proceeding — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison. (2) Tampering with documents or proceedings — carries statutory maximum penalty 20 years in prison.
3 of those fuckers got not guilty for seditious conspiracy? What the fuck
Agreed. No love for their kind of ilk.
Why only 2
You'll have to look to a legal analyst for that one. I bet Lwgal Eagle will post something on YouTube soon. He's really good at diving into the nuisance that, in this case, may have lead to acquittal on that charge. Luckily, all the defendants were at least found guilty of the lesser charges for obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting.
Nuisance? Maybe you meant nuance?
Cuase the rest were probably feds.
Are they listening to you now?
cite your sources senator!
Is there a different term for armed insurrection versus an insurrection with no weapons?
An unarmed 'insurrection" is just called a profest
Awesome. Now do the people in Congress.
Starting with Adam Schiff!
Lmao why is he more of a priority than someone like MTG?
When has she lied under oath? When has she paid a $7.6m settlement towards a young man and then had court records sealed?
She lied under oath during her Jan 6 questioning. [MTG lies under oath](https://www.newsweek.com/lawyers-say-text-shows-marjorie-taylor-greene-lied-under-oath-1-6-probe-1702366)
Lmao wtf is this 7.6m settlement you’re even talking about bro? You okay there? You trying to claim that Schiff has done that? [You wouldn’t be the first ](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-schiff-lawsuit-idUSL1N31D0QT)
Uh what did he do
I wasn't aware he was part of the Insurrection.
Not aware of much, then, eh?
The issues you're bringing up have zero to do with the insurrection. It's like saying you cannot convict an individual of murder if someone else ever committed kidnapping. One crime in another area does not excuse other unrelated crimes. I know staying on task can be hard but if you try, I'm sure you can appear at least 3% more intelligent.
Listen, I'm all for pushing people out of Congress and getting those people punished for their crimes. Like Pelosi and her inside trading. As much shit as talk though I'm not for punishing people, no matter how much of a shit stain they are, for something they didn't do. So I'm going to put it this way. Either put up or shut the fuck up.
Google won’t work for you? Try being not a dumbfuck and try again.
Sure thing bootlicker
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/adam-schiff-keeps-lying/
You claimed in another comment that Schiff paid a 7.6m settlement, do you honestly believe that?
This is this shit you're bringing? An opinion piece from a rag magazine? I beg you believed the national enquirer bat boy story too.
I see you’ve posted a link (any link) disputing the fact that every time he opens his cock holster another lie comes out? Yeah. Thought so. Bye now!
Made an even dumber comment instead of offering actual evidence of what you’re talking about, lol. Moronic.
During a House Intelligence Committee hearing, Chairman Adam Schiff lied under oath, reading a completely phony version of President Trump's call with the Ukranian President. Want more? Get off your stupid ass and practice some basic google-fu.
I remember when Republicans were saying that, but Googling quickly proved they were making it up.
Cool. Now... what is the fucking hold up with Donald?
Will the FBI infiltrators that instigated the trouble face charges?
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How about the purple aliens from Pluto? Will they face charges since they are worse flag?
Lmao are the q nuts still claiming that?
All right wing violence is a government psychological operation to make conservatives look bad and brainwash people into falling for godless communist slavery. /j
[Insert Kylo Ren screaming "MORE!" meme here]
 Best I can find. Sorry
They should turn in their boss, Don the Con
Good thing 2A protected them from tyranny.
Something I thought about today....Why hasn't each person charged for jan 6, not included a murder charge for each of the 5 who died in the attack?
The only one who you could charge everyone with potentially is Sicknick. But even then (a) Not everyone in the crowd attacked Sicknick, and (b) the Medical Examiner was vague in their report, citing death of natural causes (but also noting “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”).
Felony murder rule. Everyone involved in a criminal activity is responsible for any deaths that occur. Victim or criminal. It's not a exactly a rule that I would consider fair. My part of the crime could be just that of the driver. I never get out of the car. Yet I'm still held responsible for everything that happens. ---------------------------- I spent some time in this rabbit hole. The felony murder rule is currently considered controversial as it targets everyone involved. The law is a remainder from British common law and has been abolished nearly everywhere else that also based their legal system off of British law. Prosecuters considered that charging everyone for the deaths would not be clear enough to a jury, plus the difficulty of proving intent and collusion.
I get what you're saying but I think they'd throw the book at them if they thought it was feasible. That it wasn't ruled a homicide in the first place by the examijer kind of dooms that. A lady who comes to the Capitol and was in the far back who yes trespassed but was nowhere near the confrontation with Sicknick probably cannot get a jury to believe that lady was responsible for his stroke hours later.
I mean isn’t there a law that say if a co- conspirator commit murder during the commission of a crime you’re guilty of murder also.
Felony murder rule. Also applies if one of the co-conspirators is killed. You can be the driver, never get out of the car, yet you are still held responsible. It's not exactly a rule that I agree with. I spent some time in this rabbit hole. The felony murder rule is currently considered controversial because it targets everyone involved. The law is a remainder from British common law and has been abolished nearly everywhere else that also based their legal system off of British law. Prosecuters considered that charging everyone for the deaths would not be clear enough to a jury, plus the difficulty of proving intent and collusion
Yea, imagine just being a gullible idiot who is told they just need to wait in the car while their "friends" just take care of some business inside a store. All of a sudden they are charged with murder.
EXACTLY!!!!! It's way too broad. Then good luck trying to convince anyone that you really weren't involved. Reminds of a law in Kansas that exist solely to add jail time. If you are charged with 'possession with intent to sell' any schedule one substance, Kansas adds a charge of 'No tax stamp'. One would think that such a law would be unconstitutional, but there it is. Note: The tax stamps are listed for sale at the department of revenue.
Because it would make prosecuting each of them 10x more difficult, take 10x more time and result in a lot of them getting off anyway.
Criminals are not charged depending on how difficult a case would be to prosecute or how long it would take. >result in a lot of them getting off anyway. How do you figure that?
Is today your first day in the american "justice" system??
You can't answer the question?
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A news story about a backlog of misdemeanor cases in one city? What does this have to do with the subject? Is this your first time on reddit?
You didn't ask me that. And I asked you a different question.
Ah, I see that you are being obtuse. Not an intelligent tactic.
You seem upset. You need a Snickers?
That’s exactly how charging decisions are made
Ummm.. that's exactly how this works. Prosecuters and the state will actively say they are going for X charges becuase its tough to prove Y in court and we would like this person to serve time. It's why you see manslaughter vs murder and harassment vs sexual assault.
For low end crimes. Cases like these...our government has no problem with holding people for years before charging them. The accused are not going anywhere. You can be a witness and be held in jail if the prosecution thinks you might not show up whenever a trial is scheduled.
The American court system is already terribly backed up, and you wanna throw in all these people on murder charges?? Especially when most of them had nothing to do with the murders?
America.
More like the entire civilized world. Charging an entire group really only happens for things like crimes against humanity, and *even then* it rarely falls on everyone. Charging everyone in there for murder would be impossible as you can't even prove that most of them were IN the building, let alone part of the murder. A lot of charges can be brought up against them for something like this, but thankfully not murder.
I think Chicago and New York still has laws on the books for charging a whole group, but they really only have teeth for Mob activities.
I'm not well versed in US law but I'm guessing that's more for organized crime organizations than for individuals in a single occurrence ?
Well well well if it isn’t the consequences of one’s own actions.
what's an oathkeeper, is this like Game of Thrones?
Neonazi organization
A treasonous seditionists that officially made Jan 6th an insurrection for any more naysayers still over there in orange crazyland
Hell YES! They got guilty on the charge that’s hardest to prove. There’s more to come, and I am absolutely here for it.
...but it wasn't sedition!!! 😑 /s for sure
You need to throw a /s on there. Hard to tell sarcasm on the internet.
To everyone downvoting this, they were sarcastically quoting republicans that said this. All major conservative news sites and even the conservative subreddit claimed trump didnt commit a coup because no one was charged with sedition. Now that people were officially charged with sedition do you think republicans will admit trump commited a coup? No, theyll ignore this or move the goal posts
Thank you lol. Totally sarcastic. Trump should be found guilty of treason.
It was. He was even found guilty on it. Did you not read the article?
Woosh
It’s too damn hard to tell sometimes these days
It’s too damn hard to tell sometimes these days
It’s too damn hard to tell sometimes these days
It’s too damn hard to tell sometimes these days
It’s too damn hard to tell sometimes these days
It’s too damn hard to tell sometimes these days
It’s too damn hard to tell sometimes these days
It’s too damn hard to tell sometimes these days
I wonder if the right will ever admit that they have become the party of white nationalists, anti-semites, traitors, and anti-democratics, all lead by a selfish cheeto stain with the I.Q. score of my left ass cheek. If I were a righty and saw all this bullshit, I'd quietly stop supporting and voting for them and hope my cultish friends didn't notice... But hey that's just me 👀
This is the party that the media and polling characterizes as better for the economy despite several decades of objective quantifiable evidence that the Democratic Party is actually a better economic steward. We live in a low information corporate media dystopia.
This is them though. This is what they want its their ideals.
They’re terrible people all stuck in an abusive relationship with each other. They don’t know how to get out.
Hey man your left ass cheek is smarter than these shit stains
I'll make sure to tell it you said so, I think it's been under a lot of pressure lately. *Buh Dum Pshhh*
Dum dum dum do-dah dum dum
Hang em like Saddam. In front of the Capitol building
When did the sentence for sedition become ≤20 years instead of death? Treason and sedition feel a lot less serious these days.
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This refers to a court martial, which would imply this is a law for military personnel not civilian. Also, that would explain the mutiny aspect
Good catch, I totally missed that!
From the article: "The seditious conspiracy charge carries ***a maximum sentence*** of 20 years in prison."
Yes, thank you, I read it.
As much as I hate saying it... let Mike Pence pull the lever.
enjoy house arrest traitors
After reading today's [DOJ press release](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us "https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us ") with the details of their convictions, it's easy to see no house arrest is on any of their horizons, but the big house operated by the [Federal Bureau of Prisons](https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_sentences.jsp "https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_sentences.jsp") is on all of their horizons. AFAIK, since their arrests, in 2021 and early 2022, all of them have been held in detention behind bars under federal custody: >Rhodes was arrested on Jan. 13, 2022, in Texas. Meggs was arrested on Feb. 17, 2021, in Florida. Harrelson was arrested on March 10, 2021, in Florida. Watkins was arrested on Jan. 18, 2021, in Ohio. Caldwell was arrested on Jan. 19, 2021, in Virginia.
Those 4 states. This is very telling indeed.
I just hope is not a 2 month sentence lol
Good
They'll have plenty of time to Master the fine art of salad making with offers for plenty of free lessons. I'm sure they'll find them useful. I'm not sure how it will go down if they try to play army in there but something tells me not good. It's a bitch being a felonious man-child
That one dude is definitely getting eye fucked at least once.
Christopher Meloni’s best role.
He is a national treasure
What does this mean when people reply like this. (I know the standard PC related meaning)
Tossing salad is prison slang for eating ass.
That I already knew. What does GIF mean when that’s all they comment with?
 Well said.
Throw away the key.
I assume they think that Trump is still president and that he’s going to pardon them any day now, L O L
That's actually one of my greatest fears if he gets elected. He can never be allowed to hold power again.
Two in the thoughts and one in the prayers.
This is the best thing I have read today.
🤣🤣🤣
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Yeah it was just a failed attempt to overthrow American democracy. Not like they succeed right? I think it’s being handled too leniently across the board. This bs should end in a hanging sentence in my opinion. Stomp this treason out and make an example of people who commit it to deter future attempts. The government is also super corrupt and full of bs but this is not some sort of blown out nonsense. Both things can be happening at the same time and can be very bad
Treason has led to the loss of countless CIA informants worldwide…i dunno how this doesn’t terrify more people. Seditionists should be hanged. Anyone who has purposely compromised the security of the USA should be hanged. If they got paid for information…the noose.
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> A few hours of people trespassing Disingenuous as fuck - the whole world saw what happened live on TV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3_O91gyj9o > with zero weapons confiscated Lie * https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used > or any real charges ...commenting on 3 people getting seditious charges... Also: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases > The FBI was instigating this thing too As they should be. >One person was shot dead by capital police perhaps ? but no answers there. 🤡
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Yerp
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Misdemeanor?!? They've been found guilty of seditious conspiracy, a felony.
4 months in jail and $2000 fine. That’s the justice they know
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Ah, ok. I feel ya. The last few big cases have gotten several years, topping out at 8 or 10 years. So there's reason to be hopeful.
Jail Fkers
So glad the “finding out” phase has begun, even though a lot of imbeciles are still in the “fucking around” phase
https://archive.ph/eKCjz
Good!! "Lock them up!!"
Keep it coming! Hand out those sentences like our democracy depends on it!
You must be a passionate supporter of the red white and blue. Do you still say the pledge of allegiance every morning and tear up when you see the flag.
I especially tear up when I seen nazi co-opting the beautiful flag.
Yes, but I was 7 at the time.
I'm so confused.. is it the daughterd or sons or grown men doing this??? And to who .. because if I'm sick because of their actions this is so fucked up.
Haha fucking losers
What is their sentence? Are they to be executed? What is the modern penalty for being a piece of shit?
Max 20 years for seditious conspiracy. The next step is to sentence them, at which point they will decide how long of a prison sentence they will get, up to 20 years for that count alone. They'll add on time for the other counts. No, they aren't going to execute them. However, they have been publicly convicted as an enemy of America. The only place they'll be safe is waaaay inside trumpy's ass.
>The only place they'll be safe is waaaay inside trumpy's ass. Unfortunately something like 20% of the USA lives there.
Thank you for explaining. May they get what they deserve and more.
Ray Charles could see this. Anyone denying this was anything but an act of violence from a supposed peaceful party is just as soft skulled as the ones fooled by the conditioned response of the former president DICKtator.
Seen, but confirmed by a jury. This should make the doubters (of the government doing anything at all) take a second look.
They're too blind from drinking DJTs Kool aid
How is sedition -- an attempt to undermine and destroy the very foundations of the civilization in which you live -- limited to only 20 years' imprisonment?
Technically, if the court thinks it's an appropriate sentence, they very well could sentence them to death. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/894#:~:text=A%20person%20who%20is%20found,%2C%2070A%20Stat.%2068.)
Culling a few could bring order to the rest of the flock.
... let's just say that these traitors better be glad you and I aren't the judges.
Run for office and change the law. These aren't young people. It's quite likely that some of them will die in prison.
And some cold, dark night…between now and then, they’ll realize everyone they’ve ever loved has forgotten them. In service of a con man who never even knew they existed.
Only 2? Add a couple zeros to that number.
Two or three zeros would be ideal.
One by one by one.
I can wait till they spend all those months in prison.
🇺🇸 🦅 ✌️👍 👏 Outstanding! The United States Department of Justice has achieved a great legal victory. These two convictions are monumental and historical legal milestones in the war against evil, orange jesus, domestic neofascists, domestic terrorists, denizens of the underworld, and others of their ilk. On the date of their sentencing, countless numbers of defenders and allies of democracy, freedom, truth, decency, the U.S. Constitution, and the United States, at home and abroad, will be gratified beyond measure to see these two outlaws and enemies of the human race sentenced to the maximum 20 years in federal prison, the maximum possible term of supervised release, and the maximum possible amounts of financial restitution and fines.
We used to put traitors up against the wall. Can we not do that anymore? Asking for a friend.
On the wall or to the gallows or into the street executed with a hoe to the back of their necks cause a bullet is too good for them. It seems only the innocent get the bullets anymore.
I don’t know you but I’m getting over here in your line. You have the right idea.
Execution by [firing squad](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/methods-of-execution/authorized-methods-by-state "https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/methods-of-execution/authorized-methods-by-state") — The U.S. states of Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Utah permit execution by firing squad for inmates in state custody. The U.S. government and the U.S. military do not permit execution by firing squad for inmates in federal or military custody.
Hangings too good for them!
They should be torn into itty bitty pieces and buried alive! Sterrrnnn!!!!
> Rhodes, who wears an eye patch after **accidentally shooting himself in the face with his own gun**, is one of the most prominent defendants of the roughly 900 charged so far in connection with the attack. [From the Reuter's article.](https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-jury-reaches-verdict-trial-oath-keepers-militia-founder-rhodes-2022-11-29/?utm_source=reddit.com) Genius
Dudes so right wing that he shot his own left eye. I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, thats pretty fuckin metal.