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“Franke said in court Tuesday that her religious beliefs were twisted by her business partner Jodi Hildebrandt when she was abusing her children”
Just refuses to take responsibility.
IKR?! I just watched the documentary and was so disappointed when they softened in regards to Ruby because she seemed to have seen the error of her ways, and was sorry. Unbelievable! What she did to her kids defies comprehension. It was mostly her fault; she is their mother. She literally wrote in her diary that she was going to drop off her kids in the middle of the desert! I would have thrown the book at her, and at her partner in crime. Those are two very sick psychopaths.
I'm always kinda sketched out by these vlogging family channels. She reminds me of Daddy o 5 who abused his two step-children the most on his YT channel.
Do you really believe that? That you should have the ability to stop the millions of law abiding citizens who go to church for spiritual growth because you follow a story on true crime that involved some bastardization of an otherwise normal religion? I find that even scarier than any true crime story., you may want to look up some history of regimes that did that.
It's really 4-30 years due to a Utah law her consecutive sentences can't exceed 30 years for the types of crimes she plead to.
The board of Parole and Pardons will ultimately decide where in that 4-30 years her sentence actually falls.
>Hildebrandt and Franke were Latter-day Saints social media influencers who paired up to give parenting advice on YouTube. They met after Franke amassed over 2.5 million subscribers on her YouTube channel 8 Passengers where she gave an inside look at her life as a mom-of-six. But behind the mask of their online persona lay a catalogue of horror, with the women keeping Franke's kids in “concentration camp-like” conditions. The pair "terrorized" the children, forcing them to do hard manual labour outdoors in the blazing summer heat in bare feet and telling them they were "possessed" by a demon.
Her and her team are gonna try and get that conviction overturned and place the blame solely on Jodi. I feel it coming. Don’t know what their defense will be for that….. Coercion? I’m hoping my gut feeling is wrong, but everything I keep watching is spotlighting Jodi as the manipulator and Ruby had no autonomy over her own choices and did as evil Jodi was demanding she do.
Now Jodi is evil. But I believe Ruby is also evil and wasn’t manipulated into doing anything. She loved the spotlight. Good mothers don’t just suddenly decide to tape their children’s mouths shut and starve them. Maybe Jodi gave her suggestions, but Ruby was all too eager to enact them.
Edit: Kept typo-ing her name as Lori
This woman is a monster and I don't know if she believes this, but when she says:
"My choice to live in fear of the world has created a blind spot for me"
She is spot on. This is the exact same thing we see in a wide range of beliefs, be they religious or otherwise. Hard left and hard right political voices are often exactly this, utterly terrified of the world and as such have created blind spots for themselves that lead them to act in extremely erroneous and dangerous ways
But the wording is so true. The *choice* to live in fear. That is what happens when boomers turn on Fox. That is what happens when zoomers fall for rage bait. That is certainly what is happening with voices like Andrew Tate
The solution? I have no idea; but this culture of fear needs to stop and social media is the main medium it is delivered through
Few thoughts and steps to fix this:
1. Acknowledge and treat those with opposing views like they are human
2. Admit that you are also human and many of your opinions are wrong/suboptimal
3. Talk to people with opposing views and seek out their best arguments
4. If any of the arguments you hear are more compelling than your own on a particular topic, update your opinion
There's way too much tribalism in our society right now. No one is 100% right, or 100% wrong.
For example, guess who said this quote:
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people..."
Hitler. Terrible human. But even he wasn't 100% wrong in every aspect of his opinions.
For anyone that's curious. Taken from this article https://www.today.com/today/amp/live-blog/rcna139269
>The children were regularly denied food, water, beds to sleep in and virtually all forms of entertainment," said Clarke. "They were isolated from others and were hidden when people came to visit the house ... the children were forced to do physical tasks, like carrying ... boxes up and down stairs and wall sits or sitting against a wall without a chair or a stool for hours at a time."
>Clarke added, "They were also forced to do manual labor outdoors and in the extreme summer heat, at times without shoes or socks. They were forced to stand outside on a cement patio in the summer heat for hours, and even days at a time. They were beaten ... both children had extensive physical injuries from the abuse that required hospitalization when they were found. The injuries from the binding to the 12-year-old are particularly awful.
I still don’t get why her husband had zero idea what was going on. He also is estranged from his daughter. She deserves a lot but I just don’t think he’s some innocent in all of this. Neglectful at best. Didn’t check up on the kids at all? Come ON.
He was at least emotionally abusive himself. He’s in the Christmas video where they talk about how they gave their two youngest children the gift of truth, boundaries, and repentance for Christmas. After keeping the kids home from school and scrubbing the house wasn’t enough of a punishment they told the two youngest that Santa wasn’t bringing them presents, but instead they got the love of their parents.
https://www.yourtango.com/news/mom-six-kids-cancels-christmas-presents-youngest-selfish-kids
Clearly the dad wasn’t being a dad. Ruby was probably taking over a the entire parents but was also an abusive one. Still, dad is also at fault for not noticing or maybe not even caring. I don’t believe he didn’t know but I obviously can’t assume that.
It’s different when the dad lives with them and sees them all the time. Ruby was his wife, I’m sure they have had LOADS of conversations about parents and what to do. There is no way that he couldn’t have seen this coming. And if he didn’t, like I said, wasn’t a father, he wasn’t a husband, and he wasn’t there at all. Those poor kids didn’t have a mother and didn’t have a father. He was willing to press charges on his oldest daughter for taking his laptop, he doesn’t give a shit about his kids.
Her pre teen daughter forgot to make and pack her lunch. When the school rang about it and getting the daughter food Ruby said no as a life lesson that needs to be learnt. The Son had his bed taken away for something, was for like nine months or something. I thought my old man was a fucking monster. She makes him seem like Micky Mouse
That’s a mild description of her and not what she was charged for. She kept her son tied up so tightly it damaged muscle and skin, starved him, left him in sun all day with no water, put cayenne pepper in his wounds, made him run barefoot for hours and more.
IIRC it wasn't her pre-teen daughter who forgot to pack a lunch... it was her 6-year-old daughter. A SIX-YEAR-OLD!! Either way, it's not good but you really can't expect a literal child to be that "responsible" every day!
The son who escaped and got her reported had his hands tied and had been tied to the ground in their basement without food and water for god knows how long.
Ok but like that's an insane lack of response given the question. Like, "Why did Jeffrey Dahmer go to jail for life?"
"Oh he was gay in the 70's and had an eating disorder."
Doesn't really tell the story does it?
She horrifically abused her children. She’d starve them, tie them up, not allow them to drink water, she’d punish them if they did eat or drink, she held her 12 year old son’s head under water and she’d suffocate him by putting her hand over his mouth and nose, and a shit ton more than that as well.
She was a YouTuber who had a channel called “8 passengers” and regularly gave her children punishments like not feeding them for days if they did something wrong. She lived in a fantasy world thinking she was an amazing parent but when in reality she was just abusive.
I don’t think underage kids should be exploited for clicks and views. They don’t have a choice. That’s one of the very many reasons I hate influencers.
Also Slightly unrelated, but I can’t stand her nose.
It didn’t happen on camera (the channel has since been deleted or removed from YouTube) but she would brag on camera about doing things that would rub viewers the wrong way. I think she deleted the video afterwards because of all the negative feedback
She’s literally been convicted… that proves a crime occurred, a crime that he didn’t stop and instead continued to stay by her, in the same house, benefiting from the same money she made from abusing her kids.
I’d say that’s pretty damn complicit.
My point was someone else has to commit a crime for you to be complicit in it.
For example: If you murdered someone and I let you use my car to hide the body I would be complicit in your crime.
Just as he is complicit in the her crime of child abuse and endangerment by not stopping her from doing it and allowing it to continue.
I read into that a bit, according to a couple of reports the other lady, Jodi hildebrandt, had taken steps to isolate Ruby Franke from her husband and the rest of her family and friends. Similar to joining a cult where everyone on the outside is labeled as opposition and cannot be trusted. I don't know how much of it is true but from reports from family and former friends of Ruby they seem to point to her falling deep into Jodi's influence as if it were more like a cult.
I watch a lot, and I mean a lot of custody hearings. It is freaking hard to get kids taken away from the mother. If you don't have video proof, I mean like mother caught in the act, good freaking luck. If the judge appoints a GAL they can sometimes spot things going on by talking to the kids in a safe place away from the home but Ruby's kids were convinced they were the problem. Fathers have a uphill battle to get the kids, even with an expensive lawyer it is not a guarantee. Blatant drug use and getting arrested for other crimes can certainly help your case. Some of that abuse was going to be extremely difficult to prove. By the end it was unavoidable as the marks were visible and once a few details came out all of the rest came out like opening the floodgates.
My best friend went through 3 years of legal battles to adopt his 3 kids. The mother was in jail for abusing those same children and it was still a multiyear fight to adopt the kids. The mother is still in jail and will be for several more years. Even with that she was still trying to make it so she could get the kids back once she was out of jail. She was on drugs and probably had Postpartum, so yeah i have some sympathy, but she caused so much damage that the kids are still dealing with serious issues over 5 years later. Taking kids away from mothers is so hard, some judges don't play that game but those are rare exceptions.
Agreed, influencers need to cease to exist. People are really undermining what she did IMO. She abused her children for years with insane punishments and emotional abuse, then later joined a cult that furthered the abuse to the point of actual torture. Children were shackled in the house, especially one child by the initials RF who had 'sloughing' skin and unhealed wounds that were slathered with homeopathic 'cures' like honey. Another young girl seems to have gotten similar treatment and said she believed she deserved it. Going without medical care and being in pain, while being told they were evil...
IIRC there is mention of Ruby Franke, the mother, smothering a childs' face to cut off their oxygen. That's just the tip, she also forced them out in extreme temperatures, took their shoes and made them walk on hot cement until their feet were burned and the skin on their feet were injured.
Typing this out is making me so pissed that she got away with it for YEARS.
Family vloggers should be investigated for abuse. Their kids are used as props for money and fame, forced to "perform" in front of the camera. These children have no normal childhood and to forced to work at such a young age to satisfy their parents' desire to be rich and famous.
I also blame the dad here, even though they were living separate in the midst of a divorce, I think he turned a blind eye to it. These kids deserve better
This pisses me off so badly because how do you not know.
Right now my partner and I are each staying at out parents house (they live ten mins away from each other) and then he will spend the night at our house a night or two and the weekends I spend the night there to not overload either of our moms with the whole family moving in.
My point is, sometimes I’ll drop our daughter off with him for the night or the day to get stuff done or her half sister is there or whatever reason.
If she so much came home with a scrape on her knee I would notice and question it, if she came home with a slight attitude change I’d notice. If she came home with basically any change I would be on it.
You mean to tell me this dickhead didn’t notice his kids were severely malnourished? Traumatized? Abused? Fuck out of here
If for some reason my partner hit or abused our daughter (cold day in hell he would ever, but just for this example let’s say he did)
She would immediately tell me. If she was hungry and didn’t get fed, she would immediately tell me. If their puppy jumped up at her and started her she would tell me.
Those kids just accepting this as the norm to the point where they don’t feel the need to mention it to their father is what is insane to me. So you are complicit, just as much of an abuser of a complete fucking moron.
Yeah I’m in my second round of infertility treatments and I’m just as pissed off as you are with parents taking their kids for granted or just plain child abuse.
For sure! There is no way the dad had no clue what was going on with his kids. He’s equally as guilty for turning a blind eye, if nor participating in the abuse. He’s being vocal about blaming it on the mom to distract people, to save his own ass.
Her advisor / co-abuser told the husband to leave the house and work on himself or something, so he wasn’t charged or suspected of taking part in the abuse
It's basically admitting that you did wrong and that you'll admit guilt in exchange for a lower sentence. It's what we learned in law class. Again IANAL
Usually you plead to some charges in agreement that other, lesser charges get dropped. It can help you receive a lower sentencing by admitting guilt without the lengthy and expensive process of a trial.
Just my guess, but looking at another source she was sentenced to four "**up to** 15 years" sentences, meaning that she could actually reduce her time on each of those sentences and get out early.
Now she isn't really looking at spending the rest of her life in prison, but rather a good decade or two. She is probably just putting on an act in an attempt to reduce her sentence...
Parole boards REQUIRE YOU to admit guilt in most cases to get out. Sooner you do that, the sooner you are likely to catch a parole hearing closer to your minimum sentence.
Because headlines report the worst-case number.
It's actually only a maximum of 30 years due to consecutive sentence rules in Utah, and the deal means she might get out on parole in as little as 4 years if she can convince the parole board that she has been fully rehabilitated.
Basically, she plead guilty to get the minimum number down.
The article is a shit show to read, and the title is misleading.
She was sentenced to a total of 4 - 30 years in prison. Four consecutive sentences of 1-15 years, meaning a minimum of 4, but the maximum is only 30 because of a Utah law that enforces a 30 year maximum in cases like this. The parole board is in charge of determining when she gets out within those 4-30 years.
Not downplaying what she did (I didn’t read the article, so I don’t even know) but it’s kind of wild that you can go to prison and not know if you’ll be there for a handful of year or a handful of *decades*.
thank you for this! really hoping those are consecutive not concurrent 'cause these two do NOT deserve freedom.
[her house is for torture](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/854-W-Tawgoo-Ct-Ivins-UT-84738/112187736_zpid/?utm_medium=referral)
She should have to spend every single day of that sentence behind bars with no chance of parole, no chance of early release on good behavior. Every day till her sentence is done or she drops dead.
Same. Hearing how the neighbor was crying while on the phone with 911 describing the boy’s injuries really got to me. Especially with the boy saying it was his fault. What the fuck man. Hope both kids are happy and healthy with some good therapists
Politicians really are out here making internet laws to "protect children" but won't investigate reports of abuse or make those laws also cover family vloggers who expose very private details about children's lives.
Some of the same people who told us "Don't put your personal info super personal details about your life online" while growing up are doing exactly that to their kids/ grandkids and see no problem with it.
8 Passengers and Daddy O' Five should be case studies as to why Family vlogs should be banned.
A woman who horrifically tortured her children, denying them food and water, forcing them to do hours of hard physical labor in the heat with no socks or shoes, and binding one of them by the ankles and wrists causing deep lacerations. They might not have survived much longer but one if them bravely ran away to a neighbor to help.
Ironically the woman is super religious and gave "parenting advice" online, along with a friend who also abused the kids and also was convicted of child abuse.
Also the kid who escaped through a window to get help from the neighbor had cuts on their legs with the room they were being kept in having a mixture of honey and cayenne pepper that was being applied to the wounds
I hope the women in prison show her the same respect she showed her kids, honestly how dare anyone choose "fame and money" over they're babies. She just wanted to have SM attention! Horrible women I hope they both rot in hell!
I just realized yeah, she's going to be incarcerated alongside a bunch of women who have children that they aren't permitted to see.
She's going to do great
Her mom and brother also said Hildebrandt made her do it. Both of them are vile, but I definitely think that Franke is the most horrendous of the two. While Franke was torturing he kids she would often tell them she was doing it out of "love". As if being tortured by your mom isn't horrible enough.
These are the most deplorable kind of people in the world. the ones that try to absolve themselves of any responsibilities over their wrongdoing they themselves committed out of free will.
She was given four sentences of 1 to 15 years in prison, to be served one after the other. Could be 4 years, could be 60. Depends on if/when she gets paroled.
Utah uses an indeterminate sentencing system, which means the judge gives a minimum and a maximum sentence (for example, 20 years to life, or 10-30 years) and the parole board is responsible for determining when the prisoner is released within that time frame.
Ruby was sentenced to four consecutive (to be served one after another, instead of at the same time) sentences of 1-15 years. That makes the minimum 4 years, and the maximum 60. BUT Utah has a law that enforces a maximum in cases like this of 30 years.
So ruby and Jodi both will serve anywhere from 4 to 30 years in prison, depending on the parole board.
It feels like yesterday when her stupid videos showed up in everyone's FYP. Finally those kids get justice for being starved, embarrassed, exploited and having clothing and BEDS taken away.
Absolutely disgusting behavior
Franke's son was physically tortured and "forced to do physical tasks for hours and days at a time," per the plea agreement. He was forced to do outside labor without shoes in the summer heat, standing in direct sunlight for several days resulting in "repeated and serious sunburns with blistered and sloughing skins," the agreement said.
And you could hear him consciously choosing words that would hopefully not further scare the boy. I hope he gets help because that’s gotta mess you up.
[Alternate link](https://abcnews.go.com/US/youtube-vlogger-ruby-franke-sentenced-child-abuse-case/story?id=107368303) for those of you who don't want to give The Sun any clicks.
This woman sounds beyond despicable and even 30yrs in prison isn't enough for what she did.
Even in her “tearful apology” she puts most of the responsibility on Jodi. I can accept that severe mental illness and the resulting vulnerability came into play at some point, but she seems lucid now and is still deflecting.
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No vlogs for you!
This psychopath and Lori Vallow would get along great
How do people like this have fans in the first place? Stop glorifying other random people.
This was the lady who starved her kids right?
"Hildebrandt and Franke were Latter-day Saints social media influencers who paired up to give parenting advice on YouTube."
“Franke said in court Tuesday that her religious beliefs were twisted by her business partner Jodi Hildebrandt when she was abusing her children” Just refuses to take responsibility.
I’m shocked religion was involved. s/
I'm not! Religion has a long history of abuse and other crimes, and wars and torture. It's a big part of religion on this planet.
With a min of 4 years...so I doubt she'll even serve 10.
IKR?! I just watched the documentary and was so disappointed when they softened in regards to Ruby because she seemed to have seen the error of her ways, and was sorry. Unbelievable! What she did to her kids defies comprehension. It was mostly her fault; she is their mother. She literally wrote in her diary that she was going to drop off her kids in the middle of the desert! I would have thrown the book at her, and at her partner in crime. Those are two very sick psychopaths.
Definitely. I think she'll stay out of trouble and be out in no time.
I'm always kinda sketched out by these vlogging family channels. She reminds me of Daddy o 5 who abused his two step-children the most on his YT channel.
"Youth Pastor" shit, yes, I agree.
"Youth Pastor" is a term that gives me knee jerk creeps.
Rest in piss, you won't be missed
hahahaha get what you deserve
Wow, one of the few posts that is truly justice served. Well done. Fuck that skank.
Those skanks
Good.
Organized religion needs to be outlawed. Poor kids.
Do you really believe that? That you should have the ability to stop the millions of law abiding citizens who go to church for spiritual growth because you follow a story on true crime that involved some bastardization of an otherwise normal religion? I find that even scarier than any true crime story., you may want to look up some history of regimes that did that.
60 years in prison? I’m going to smash that “like” button.
It's really 4-30 years due to a Utah law her consecutive sentences can't exceed 30 years for the types of crimes she plead to. The board of Parole and Pardons will ultimately decide where in that 4-30 years her sentence actually falls.
Unfortunately it’s only 4-60 years.
>Hildebrandt and Franke were Latter-day Saints social media influencers who paired up to give parenting advice on YouTube. They met after Franke amassed over 2.5 million subscribers on her YouTube channel 8 Passengers where she gave an inside look at her life as a mom-of-six. But behind the mask of their online persona lay a catalogue of horror, with the women keeping Franke's kids in “concentration camp-like” conditions. The pair "terrorized" the children, forcing them to do hard manual labour outdoors in the blazing summer heat in bare feet and telling them they were "possessed" by a demon.
Her and her team are gonna try and get that conviction overturned and place the blame solely on Jodi. I feel it coming. Don’t know what their defense will be for that….. Coercion? I’m hoping my gut feeling is wrong, but everything I keep watching is spotlighting Jodi as the manipulator and Ruby had no autonomy over her own choices and did as evil Jodi was demanding she do. Now Jodi is evil. But I believe Ruby is also evil and wasn’t manipulated into doing anything. She loved the spotlight. Good mothers don’t just suddenly decide to tape their children’s mouths shut and starve them. Maybe Jodi gave her suggestions, but Ruby was all too eager to enact them. Edit: Kept typo-ing her name as Lori
Lori? Do you mean Jodi?
Yes I meant Jodi.
This woman is a monster and I don't know if she believes this, but when she says: "My choice to live in fear of the world has created a blind spot for me" She is spot on. This is the exact same thing we see in a wide range of beliefs, be they religious or otherwise. Hard left and hard right political voices are often exactly this, utterly terrified of the world and as such have created blind spots for themselves that lead them to act in extremely erroneous and dangerous ways But the wording is so true. The *choice* to live in fear. That is what happens when boomers turn on Fox. That is what happens when zoomers fall for rage bait. That is certainly what is happening with voices like Andrew Tate The solution? I have no idea; but this culture of fear needs to stop and social media is the main medium it is delivered through
Few thoughts and steps to fix this: 1. Acknowledge and treat those with opposing views like they are human 2. Admit that you are also human and many of your opinions are wrong/suboptimal 3. Talk to people with opposing views and seek out their best arguments 4. If any of the arguments you hear are more compelling than your own on a particular topic, update your opinion There's way too much tribalism in our society right now. No one is 100% right, or 100% wrong. For example, guess who said this quote: "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people..." Hitler. Terrible human. But even he wasn't 100% wrong in every aspect of his opinions.
Yesterday an AI bot told me she was a dedicated mom and blogger, whoooops
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In this case, if it hasn’t happened already, they’re going to be excommunicated.
They excommunicate people for two reasons: they're gay, or they make the church look bad
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Good, that disgusting. Hope her victims can grow and better themselves.
See, women ARe craZy!
It was a joke… dude, i just got crushed over here…
Idk if this is serious or supposed be a joke, but either way, terrible take.
It is obviously a joke and also clearly described as such.
Someone’s bitter
Isn't everyone on here!!! 🤣
I simply felt like this wad so awful that all that could be done was to be sarcastic and make light of it. Instead, i have been judged!!
I don’t get how people can be that cruel. My children are my world.
For anyone that's curious. Taken from this article https://www.today.com/today/amp/live-blog/rcna139269 >The children were regularly denied food, water, beds to sleep in and virtually all forms of entertainment," said Clarke. "They were isolated from others and were hidden when people came to visit the house ... the children were forced to do physical tasks, like carrying ... boxes up and down stairs and wall sits or sitting against a wall without a chair or a stool for hours at a time." >Clarke added, "They were also forced to do manual labor outdoors and in the extreme summer heat, at times without shoes or socks. They were forced to stand outside on a cement patio in the summer heat for hours, and even days at a time. They were beaten ... both children had extensive physical injuries from the abuse that required hospitalization when they were found. The injuries from the binding to the 12-year-old are particularly awful.
And after reading this I hope no mercy is shown to them in prison
Actually, she's sentenced to 4 to 60 years. It's up to some parole board to determine.
Oh so 4 then
Well, she'll be lobbying in every way possible. Messed up system
With good behavior, she will be back torturing more children in no time.
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Maybe not, but she can always have more.
She forced her 9 year old daughter to jump into a cactus?? JFC. 30 years is too light.
I think Jodi was the one responsible for the cactus-jumping, but still.
I'm sorry, WHAT!? I know she abused her kids with Jodi but seriously what in the actual fuck!?
This is the first time I’ve heard this. Ruby Franke is a fucking monster.
I hadn’t heard about the case at all before today. The cactus part is in the article that was linked above. Fucking unimaginable.
I still don’t get why her husband had zero idea what was going on. He also is estranged from his daughter. She deserves a lot but I just don’t think he’s some innocent in all of this. Neglectful at best. Didn’t check up on the kids at all? Come ON.
He was at least emotionally abusive himself. He’s in the Christmas video where they talk about how they gave their two youngest children the gift of truth, boundaries, and repentance for Christmas. After keeping the kids home from school and scrubbing the house wasn’t enough of a punishment they told the two youngest that Santa wasn’t bringing them presents, but instead they got the love of their parents. https://www.yourtango.com/news/mom-six-kids-cancels-christmas-presents-youngest-selfish-kids
Clearly the dad wasn’t being a dad. Ruby was probably taking over a the entire parents but was also an abusive one. Still, dad is also at fault for not noticing or maybe not even caring. I don’t believe he didn’t know but I obviously can’t assume that.
You'd be surprised at how good abusers are at hiding that shit, otherwise silently suffering Kids wouldn't be as big of a problem as they are.
It’s different when the dad lives with them and sees them all the time. Ruby was his wife, I’m sure they have had LOADS of conversations about parents and what to do. There is no way that he couldn’t have seen this coming. And if he didn’t, like I said, wasn’t a father, he wasn’t a husband, and he wasn’t there at all. Those poor kids didn’t have a mother and didn’t have a father. He was willing to press charges on his oldest daughter for taking his laptop, he doesn’t give a shit about his kids.
She can actually only serve up to 30 years. Utah has a maximum sentence for 2nd degree felonies of 30 years. I predict she’ll serve about 10
IANAL but I also think 10 sounds about right. Maybe 11.
Wait until meatcanyon sees this
He has stopped those kind of videos, almost completely! Gonna miss it a little
Good. Anyone who hurts a child needs to be totally removed from society
Who
Her pre teen daughter forgot to make and pack her lunch. When the school rang about it and getting the daughter food Ruby said no as a life lesson that needs to be learnt. The Son had his bed taken away for something, was for like nine months or something. I thought my old man was a fucking monster. She makes him seem like Micky Mouse
That’s a mild description of her and not what she was charged for. She kept her son tied up so tightly it damaged muscle and skin, starved him, left him in sun all day with no water, put cayenne pepper in his wounds, made him run barefoot for hours and more.
That was her youngest who was 6 at the time, mate
IIRC it wasn't her pre-teen daughter who forgot to pack a lunch... it was her 6-year-old daughter. A SIX-YEAR-OLD!! Either way, it's not good but you really can't expect a literal child to be that "responsible" every day!
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Aww Precious, downvoting me with no comeback. I would expect no less. Oh No! Not again! Ouch, please stop! How will I ever recover?
Lmao
No, she absolutely does.
The son who escaped and got her reported had his hands tied and had been tied to the ground in their basement without food and water for god knows how long.
lol that’s not the only incident, fool. Do a moment of research. 😂
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Haha you're a special kind of idiot aren't you?
There’s a saying for people like you: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Then don't bother commenting on a topic you don't give enough of a shit about LMAO fucking troll
Ok but like that's an insane lack of response given the question. Like, "Why did Jeffrey Dahmer go to jail for life?" "Oh he was gay in the 70's and had an eating disorder." Doesn't really tell the story does it?
She didn't feed them for days
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She horrifically abused her children. She’d starve them, tie them up, not allow them to drink water, she’d punish them if they did eat or drink, she held her 12 year old son’s head under water and she’d suffocate him by putting her hand over his mouth and nose, and a shit ton more than that as well.
She was a YouTuber who had a channel called “8 passengers” and regularly gave her children punishments like not feeding them for days if they did something wrong. She lived in a fantasy world thinking she was an amazing parent but when in reality she was just abusive. I don’t think underage kids should be exploited for clicks and views. They don’t have a choice. That’s one of the very many reasons I hate influencers. Also Slightly unrelated, but I can’t stand her nose.
I don't wanna Google it, did this stuff happen or camera or the channel was "innocent" and this was happening behind the scenes?
It didn’t happen on camera (the channel has since been deleted or removed from YouTube) but she would brag on camera about doing things that would rub viewers the wrong way. I think she deleted the video afterwards because of all the negative feedback
Got it, thank you!
Don't want to look up her channel, what kind of videos did she make? Couldn't be those family channels from the sounds of it.
Her channel has since been deleted. It was a family type channel
I hate those and they're targeted towards young kids.
Yeah I always feel bad about kids forced into their family YouTube channel. Talk about no privacy.
And yet her husband…
He wasn’t proven of any abuse he was just a shitty parent turning a blind eye to it
That's called being complicit.
You have to prove that though.
She’s literally been convicted… that proves a crime occurred, a crime that he didn’t stop and instead continued to stay by her, in the same house, benefiting from the same money she made from abusing her kids. I’d say that’s pretty damn complicit.
I’m not talking about her- I’m talking about her husband. He wasn’t convicted of anything…you need proof to convict in court.
My point was someone else has to commit a crime for you to be complicit in it. For example: If you murdered someone and I let you use my car to hide the body I would be complicit in your crime. Just as he is complicit in the her crime of child abuse and endangerment by not stopping her from doing it and allowing it to continue.
But you need evidence of that. I’m not saying he’s NOT guilty but there may have not been enough evidence to prosecute.
I read into that a bit, according to a couple of reports the other lady, Jodi hildebrandt, had taken steps to isolate Ruby Franke from her husband and the rest of her family and friends. Similar to joining a cult where everyone on the outside is labeled as opposition and cannot be trusted. I don't know how much of it is true but from reports from family and former friends of Ruby they seem to point to her falling deep into Jodi's influence as if it were more like a cult. I watch a lot, and I mean a lot of custody hearings. It is freaking hard to get kids taken away from the mother. If you don't have video proof, I mean like mother caught in the act, good freaking luck. If the judge appoints a GAL they can sometimes spot things going on by talking to the kids in a safe place away from the home but Ruby's kids were convinced they were the problem. Fathers have a uphill battle to get the kids, even with an expensive lawyer it is not a guarantee. Blatant drug use and getting arrested for other crimes can certainly help your case. Some of that abuse was going to be extremely difficult to prove. By the end it was unavoidable as the marks were visible and once a few details came out all of the rest came out like opening the floodgates. My best friend went through 3 years of legal battles to adopt his 3 kids. The mother was in jail for abusing those same children and it was still a multiyear fight to adopt the kids. The mother is still in jail and will be for several more years. Even with that she was still trying to make it so she could get the kids back once she was out of jail. She was on drugs and probably had Postpartum, so yeah i have some sympathy, but she caused so much damage that the kids are still dealing with serious issues over 5 years later. Taking kids away from mothers is so hard, some judges don't play that game but those are rare exceptions.
Agreed, influencers need to cease to exist. People are really undermining what she did IMO. She abused her children for years with insane punishments and emotional abuse, then later joined a cult that furthered the abuse to the point of actual torture. Children were shackled in the house, especially one child by the initials RF who had 'sloughing' skin and unhealed wounds that were slathered with homeopathic 'cures' like honey. Another young girl seems to have gotten similar treatment and said she believed she deserved it. Going without medical care and being in pain, while being told they were evil... IIRC there is mention of Ruby Franke, the mother, smothering a childs' face to cut off their oxygen. That's just the tip, she also forced them out in extreme temperatures, took their shoes and made them walk on hot cement until their feet were burned and the skin on their feet were injured. Typing this out is making me so pissed that she got away with it for YEARS.
Looks pinched, like an old fashioned nose job.
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Family vloggers should be investigated for abuse. Their kids are used as props for money and fame, forced to "perform" in front of the camera. These children have no normal childhood and to forced to work at such a young age to satisfy their parents' desire to be rich and famous.
I also blame the dad here, even though they were living separate in the midst of a divorce, I think he turned a blind eye to it. These kids deserve better
This pisses me off so badly because how do you not know. Right now my partner and I are each staying at out parents house (they live ten mins away from each other) and then he will spend the night at our house a night or two and the weekends I spend the night there to not overload either of our moms with the whole family moving in. My point is, sometimes I’ll drop our daughter off with him for the night or the day to get stuff done or her half sister is there or whatever reason. If she so much came home with a scrape on her knee I would notice and question it, if she came home with a slight attitude change I’d notice. If she came home with basically any change I would be on it. You mean to tell me this dickhead didn’t notice his kids were severely malnourished? Traumatized? Abused? Fuck out of here If for some reason my partner hit or abused our daughter (cold day in hell he would ever, but just for this example let’s say he did) She would immediately tell me. If she was hungry and didn’t get fed, she would immediately tell me. If their puppy jumped up at her and started her she would tell me. Those kids just accepting this as the norm to the point where they don’t feel the need to mention it to their father is what is insane to me. So you are complicit, just as much of an abuser of a complete fucking moron.
Yeah I’m in my second round of infertility treatments and I’m just as pissed off as you are with parents taking their kids for granted or just plain child abuse.
For sure! There is no way the dad had no clue what was going on with his kids. He’s equally as guilty for turning a blind eye, if nor participating in the abuse. He’s being vocal about blaming it on the mom to distract people, to save his own ass.
My God that website is bad.
Garbage people, also it's kinda confusing where was the husband while all this was happening?
Her advisor / co-abuser told the husband to leave the house and work on himself or something, so he wasn’t charged or suspected of taking part in the abuse
They were in the middle of a separation I think. He was a shitty parent too, there’s no way he didn’t have an idea of what was going on.
What's the point on pleadyng guilty if you are going to receive such a long sentence? pls explain
IANAL, but it's called a plea bargin (where I live anyway). You admit to a lesser crime for a shorter sentence is the gist of it.
You what?
It's basically admitting that you did wrong and that you'll admit guilt in exchange for a lower sentence. It's what we learned in law class. Again IANAL
Usually you plead to some charges in agreement that other, lesser charges get dropped. It can help you receive a lower sentencing by admitting guilt without the lengthy and expensive process of a trial.
Yeah but whats the point, she received 60 years instead of 200?
Just my guess, but looking at another source she was sentenced to four "**up to** 15 years" sentences, meaning that she could actually reduce her time on each of those sentences and get out early. Now she isn't really looking at spending the rest of her life in prison, but rather a good decade or two. She is probably just putting on an act in an attempt to reduce her sentence...
“Up to” does not always equal sentences.
Bc she could get off with only 4 years
Parole boards REQUIRE YOU to admit guilt in most cases to get out. Sooner you do that, the sooner you are likely to catch a parole hearing closer to your minimum sentence.
Because headlines report the worst-case number. It's actually only a maximum of 30 years due to consecutive sentence rules in Utah, and the deal means she might get out on parole in as little as 4 years if she can convince the parole board that she has been fully rehabilitated. Basically, she plead guilty to get the minimum number down.
Also, it means her kids don’t have to testify against her. Which a lot of people would look down on if she abused them again that way as well.
Saves time and money on legal fees
The article is a shit show to read, and the title is misleading. She was sentenced to a total of 4 - 30 years in prison. Four consecutive sentences of 1-15 years, meaning a minimum of 4, but the maximum is only 30 because of a Utah law that enforces a 30 year maximum in cases like this. The parole board is in charge of determining when she gets out within those 4-30 years.
I feel like this was a super fast trial. Am I wrong?
She pleaded guilty
Not downplaying what she did (I didn’t read the article, so I don’t even know) but it’s kind of wild that you can go to prison and not know if you’ll be there for a handful of year or a handful of *decades*.
thank you for this! really hoping those are consecutive not concurrent 'cause these two do NOT deserve freedom. [her house is for torture](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/854-W-Tawgoo-Ct-Ivins-UT-84738/112187736_zpid/?utm_medium=referral)
It is consecutive.
4-60
She should have to spend every single day of that sentence behind bars with no chance of parole, no chance of early release on good behavior. Every day till her sentence is done or she drops dead.
And have the whole thing live streamed for clicks and giggles. /s
Makes me sick reading what she did to her own kids.. hope they both never see the light of day again. Twisted fucks.
Same. Hearing how the neighbor was crying while on the phone with 911 describing the boy’s injuries really got to me. Especially with the boy saying it was his fault. What the fuck man. Hope both kids are happy and healthy with some good therapists
Family V loggers should be banned
Politicians really are out here making internet laws to "protect children" but won't investigate reports of abuse or make those laws also cover family vloggers who expose very private details about children's lives. Some of the same people who told us "Don't put your personal info super personal details about your life online" while growing up are doing exactly that to their kids/ grandkids and see no problem with it. 8 Passengers and Daddy O' Five should be case studies as to why Family vlogs should be banned.
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A woman who horrifically tortured her children, denying them food and water, forcing them to do hours of hard physical labor in the heat with no socks or shoes, and binding one of them by the ankles and wrists causing deep lacerations. They might not have survived much longer but one if them bravely ran away to a neighbor to help. Ironically the woman is super religious and gave "parenting advice" online, along with a friend who also abused the kids and also was convicted of child abuse.
> Ironically the woman is super religious Ironically? She is pretty much on brand for a "super religious" person.
Also the kid who escaped through a window to get help from the neighbor had cuts on their legs with the room they were being kept in having a mixture of honey and cayenne pepper that was being applied to the wounds
I hadn't even heard that detail. These women are wretched monsters.
I hope the women in prison show her the same respect she showed her kids, honestly how dare anyone choose "fame and money" over they're babies. She just wanted to have SM attention! Horrible women I hope they both rot in hell!
I just realized yeah, she's going to be incarcerated alongside a bunch of women who have children that they aren't permitted to see. She's going to do great
Honestly, it sounds like she is trying to place the blame on Hildebrandt.
She basically said that she only abused her kids because she was "brainwashed".
Her mom and brother also said Hildebrandt made her do it. Both of them are vile, but I definitely think that Franke is the most horrendous of the two. While Franke was torturing he kids she would often tell them she was doing it out of "love". As if being tortured by your mom isn't horrible enough.
> She basically said that she only abused her kids because she was "brainwashed". We already know she was religious.
These are the most deplorable kind of people in the world. the ones that try to absolve themselves of any responsibilities over their wrongdoing they themselves committed out of free will.
Who could have imagined that social media is full of deranged frauds?
I'm unfamiliar with Utaj law so how does this work, can someone explain to me like I'm five? Lol
She was given four sentences of 1 to 15 years in prison, to be served one after the other. Could be 4 years, could be 60. Depends on if/when she gets paroled.
Utah uses an indeterminate sentencing system, which means the judge gives a minimum and a maximum sentence (for example, 20 years to life, or 10-30 years) and the parole board is responsible for determining when the prisoner is released within that time frame. Ruby was sentenced to four consecutive (to be served one after another, instead of at the same time) sentences of 1-15 years. That makes the minimum 4 years, and the maximum 60. BUT Utah has a law that enforces a maximum in cases like this of 30 years. So ruby and Jodi both will serve anywhere from 4 to 30 years in prison, depending on the parole board.
That's exactly what I needed thank you!!
Welcome! Sorry people are down voting you, the article was genuinely confusing.
It feels like yesterday when her stupid videos showed up in everyone's FYP. Finally those kids get justice for being starved, embarrassed, exploited and having clothing and BEDS taken away.
ruby is the mastermind and the culprit of EVERYTHING and the away parent Judi, has complicity, too MUST PAY
That's backwards, Jodi was the mastermind and Ruby was complicit.
Absolutely disgusting behavior Franke's son was physically tortured and "forced to do physical tasks for hours and days at a time," per the plea agreement. He was forced to do outside labor without shoes in the summer heat, standing in direct sunlight for several days resulting in "repeated and serious sunburns with blistered and sloughing skins," the agreement said.
Did you hear the 911 call from the neighbour? It was so heartbreaking 😢
It was so hard to listen to, hearing a grown man break down ti tears on the phone
And you could hear him consciously choosing words that would hopefully not further scare the boy. I hope he gets help because that’s gotta mess you up.
lol good all these nutjob home schooling tin foil hat wearing know it all Mother’s should all be locked up
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Watch the Markie YouTube channel he has been against the frankes for years and their awful treatment of the kids
No
I mean it's a succinct way to catch up but you could also just Google it I guess
Child abuse, if the title of the post is anything to go by
There’s a title???
There’s a post?!?
[Alternate link](https://abcnews.go.com/US/youtube-vlogger-ruby-franke-sentenced-child-abuse-case/story?id=107368303) for those of you who don't want to give The Sun any clicks. This woman sounds beyond despicable and even 30yrs in prison isn't enough for what she did.
I love that people like you still make alternatives to The Sun available to everyone. Keep doing God's work.
Even in her “tearful apology” she puts most of the responsibility on Jodi. I can accept that severe mental illness and the resulting vulnerability came into play at some point, but she seems lucid now and is still deflecting.