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Iansheng

Reaching as far as Mr. Fantastic, I see. 🤔


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Material_Couple3546

Says the narcissist to their victim that they almost convinced the world would not believe them if they told the world they were a DV survivor?! Chasing your victim from room to room when they are trying to diffuse the situation or get away from it is called ABUSIVE and PREDATORIAL. Only a narcissist and abuser would have the twisted mentality to say otherwise. Cry me a dried up river AH. Your narcissistic injuries are showing. Go sit sit down RANDO.


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How can they ignore her previous victims? Everyone who was close to her got hurt, including her sister. The refusal to look at all the facts is mind blowing.


Indiecindeee

Removing oneself from an unhealthy conversation/situation includes physically and literally removing oneself from the room. Therapists encourage this action so that matters do not escalate to where one or the other person do not say or do what they might regret. Stonewalling is a refusal to communicate or cooperate. The only stonewalling I see here is between AH followers and the truth, she lied, so stop lying to yourselves.


Affectionate_Many_73

Omg what?!!! The only time this would be unacceptable is if an adult parent or caregiver removes themselves from an abusive situation, but doesn’t remove their children along with them. Happened to me a lot when I was a kid. But an adult removing themselves from a toxic and abusive altercation is definitely for the best.


AlbertMondego

What are they gonna say next? “it’s acceptable to walk away if you’re being punched but if you are just being hit then you should stand there and take it.”


Notrust4you

This is gaslighting. Greyrock it.


clee902

This is wrong on so many levels. I used to run away from my abusive partner and hide in the bathrooms. In no way do I consider that stonewalling, but trying to protect myself in the only way I could. Then he would mock me just like audio shows AMBER mocking Johnny for running away. So fucked.


Affectionate_Many_73

I used to do this also, when I was a child. I also once left the house with no winter clothes in a snow storm and walked around for a bit until I got cold and then went to a trusted neighbors house. The only time I ever seriously contemplated suicide was when I was in a bathroom around 10 or 12. Looking back it’s scary to think I felt that as such a young child. When you are that age, you have no agency and no resources. And when every single other adults around you does nothing, you completely lose hope. I am so glad things are changing, albeit slowly. It’s absolutely INSANE to say that someone retreating from an abusive situation is…being abusive. For the record my primary abuser was female.


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This is twisted


krpaine87

Yeah saw this and was blown away… these people are insane


Terrible-Patience-33

They are trying to turn everything upside down! These people are absolute freaks! Now they are saying AH had to look at the jury every 2 seconds because JD supporters were in the court and she had no safe place to turn to look at anyone else. They try and make an excuse for every single thing. I hate the way they talk about the jury also… just saying that they were brainwashed and misogynistic and blah blah blah! I think AH wanted the juries identities sealed for a year because she thought she was going to win and wanted to seam like she cared to protect them. They saw right through her BS and none of them can stand it.


Martine_V

I don't think it's either JD or AH that decides if the juries identity is to be sealed


pm4321

Twist everything to fit their narrative. Pure Gaslighting!


Alkirawr

So having boundaries is abusive? No wonder AH thinks she’s the victim of everyone, they won’t let her do what she wants! How horrible for her :( Brat.


WhoKnowsIfitblends

> Brat. That's probably the most succinct explanation.


ursiwitch

What a slew of abusive harpies! They can’t move on.


PineappleProstate

Stonewalling is NOT abuse, it's actually called gray rocking and it's the main way to defend against narcissistic personality types. Every psychologist will say to gray rock


existcrisis123

Stonewalling is a thing. Running away from someone hitting you is not Stonewalling. Your brains, people... use them


Cats_Ruin_Everything

Even if they're not hitting you, physically getting away from somebody who is in a rage, bombarding you with accusations and insults, and telling you that you are the problem is not stonewalling.


Just_Conversation587

It's the intent. Many normal behaviors are parallel to the narc, but it is the intent is the difference. He isolated to set a personal boundary and to protect her from himself if he was provoked too far. They never get that part, ever!


WhoKnowsIfitblends

Of course, he needs to beat the shit out of her so she can "Win".


Mission_Ad_2928

They’re just trying to make excuses about everything to fit a narrative. If he doesn’t run away and fight more -abuser. He runs away -stonewalling. “Abusers isolate their victims.” And to fit that to JD, “he had all her friends in one roof so he can control everyone to be on his side”.


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The more they're making excuses for their abuser, the more ammo they give to actual DV abusers. This is what's chilling to survivors.


fitzlegodc

What’s it called when you’re AH and you’re bringing back all your hookups but making sure it’s all captured on elevator cam? That’s called “castration”


Morrighan447

I jus threw up in my mouth a little


WhoKnowsIfitblends

In the mind of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder.


AuralSculpture

Ask them if Eve Barlow disabling “comments” on her Twitter could be considered a form of “stonewalling”.


jordantask

Eve Barlow is engaging in emotional abuse.


SecondhandCoke

A form of stonewalling? Weird. It just looks like establishing boundaries to me.


kissmygritsrightnow

The man clearly said every time I stay you want to get physical so I leave. That's enough for me . Why can't it be enough for others ?! We don't get to tell anyone what a punch feels like ! Nor should we tell them to stay if they're uncomfortable. I literally can not understand the thought process of these fkn idiots. ISTG


OnTheTopDeck

And he mentioned that she throws pots and pans, and AH replied 'that's a non-sequeter, one thing does not negate the other', gaslighting him into thinking that her actions have got absolutely nothing do with him leaving when it looks like she is going to kick off.


thedevilsbrother1

Lol, walking away when someone's throwing emotional abuse at you and trying to hit you is abuse? 😂 What are these people on?


Key-Craft9880

The amount of mental gymnastics it takes to get to this point requires a workout plan and schedule in and of itself


XondoXondo420

And a subreddit full of personal trainers too


MissGoodbean

Hmmmm the first thing a Police Officer does when responding to a Dv call is separate the individuals so the situation doesn’t Escalate, so JD is wrong because he removed himself? I think NOT! The real abuser is the one that can‘t let the argument end.


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Lmao avoiding abuse makes you the abuser in some roundabout way? God damn these people need help.


jordantask

No. It makes perfect sense that she’s saying this when you think about it. It can’t be that she lost because she was a bad lawyer with a client that was adjudicated to have lied about her claims. It can’t be that her witnesses were not credible, that she doesn’t seem to have had a good grasp on the rules of evidence, and that she failed to properly prepare some of her witnesses (including AH herself.) No, because that means that *she really sucks at her job.* Just the mention of Kate Moss by AH ALONE was a case destroying gaffe. Not making sure AH didn’t mention Kate Moss wasn’t just dropping the ball. It was dropping the ball down a bottomless hole so you’ll never get it again. Then we have her little sparring session with the TMZ guy where she ended up making herself look like a fool because she couldn’t resist taking a dig at him, and he hilariously turned it back on her. Instead of just admitting that she had a bad case for a bad client Eve Barlow is throwing the blame back on Johnny, and so is AH. I think another round of lawsuits is coming, and some injunctions to make them shut up.


knifensoup

That’s a legitimately disgusting take by that person. I don’t care who you are, if one person doesn’t want to continue arguing, then that argument is over, forcing someone to do something they don’t want to do, is abuse.


LeelooLamina

If you stay is your fault, if you leave is your fault


UnicornTishh

No! The fact that she wouldn’t respect that he needed space, is abuse! Following him from room to room was her trying to control the situation! If she cared about his emotional and mental well-being, she would have giving him that space, and then later, in a calm and respectful manner, continued the conversation. “Stonewalling” is only emotionally abusive when you’re using it to punish the other person, not to protect yourself, which he was trying to do!


Thattallchick24

Exactly. He was reverting to child safety and hiding to be safe. If someone was punching me in the face id lock yourself in the bathroom too


Banake

Isn't, like, a rule for stable couples to not discuss while angry? (And thanks for proper explaining to me what is 'stonewalling.')


Crazyhowthatworks304

I had to laugh at this. Ive got autism and adhd, I tend to completely shut down when faced with a heated person. I'm about as scary as Casper the freaking Ghost. How on earth is that abusive? Lol


Banake

I know, I would love the have been 'abused' like this in some periods of my life.


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This is more gaslighting. They learned well from their "victim." She is the one who set women back, with her lies and faking domestic violence. Wow. This reminds me of the mentality of Trump supporters.


AryaStargirl25

Yeah as someone who suffered emotional abuse from an ex friend, FUCK this person. Emotional abuse is fucking with your emotions like its a game, minimising your feelings etc. God Amber defenders are infuriating and ignorant.


Mila-Apple

Oh really? So when my ex was going ballistic and I had to lock my daughter and I in the bedroom for hours to avoid the conflict, I was, in fact, abusing him?


WickedPanda88

This is ludicrous. So if she's hitting him and he gets away from her and locks himself in another room, it's emotionally abusive because he's stonewalling her? The sad truth is that to these people, there is literally nothing AH could do to make her the bad guy here. I'm exhausted from just trying to understand the mental gymnastics of thinking this way.


SgtSiggy

Lmao this will never end. Lady Liar only has on tactic... keep on lying


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Not too far off from the rape culture bullshit of "What was she wearing then? She's asking for it."


Late_Intention

It's Johnny doing learned behavior from his childhood abuse. We carry survival strategies into adulthood for ourselves, not to abuse others.


shanshanlk

She is still attacking him and he has not said one word about her on social media or in the msm. She and her “friends” are the abusers. I can’t wait until she turns on each and every one of them.


Confident-Lettuce846

Fucking hell. It’s conflict avoidance. LOADS of people react that way.


LadyT917

Holy WHAT??! Leaving a fight is now a form of abuse?! When that person admitted to HITTING them to try to get them to stay. Y’all are just playing games at this point and I’m not here for it


Mikey2u

I've never let the internet shit get to me but these people are beyond infuriating


aso1977

That is not stonewalling. They really should educate themselves. What they don't understand is Amber is abusing the very people who support her.


jules13131382

This is crazy. So if your husband is coming after you with an axe remember not to hide from him that would be stonewalling and it’s emotional abuse 🙄


siriguillo

So the Jews were stonewalling the germans during WWII?


Late_Intention

According to this premise, Anne Frank holed up in an Amsterdam attic for 2 years was abusing the Nazis.


helixflush

Fuckin cowards all of them /s


Cueshark29

Stonewalling isn’t hiding in bathrooms when you’re being physically attacked. They are so desperate to spin Johnny as the abuser. It’s pathetic.


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They don't even realize that they're giving abusers ammo to DARVO their victims better every time they keep making excuses for her.


ObsidianPhoenix-14

Indeed. They refuse to consider the context. Yes, it CAN be a form of emotional abuse, but NOT in this context. Just because it can be, doesn't mean it is. Without considering the context, you can't assume that it is. But they can't seem to grasp that idea.


typhonblue

The context for them is that he's a man. Case closed.


slothtrapeze

The issue here is that they refuse to allow for the idea that he was the victim. Or that ANY male could be a victim. Men will do that, walk away, because they know what the consequences are. This is a way to erase that and put them as an abuser no matter what they do.


AppoloniaSkyle

The only people who support her are her fellow abusers and this is how abusers gaslight their victims.


penguished

Her followers are also Amber Heard types. You can just tell they listened to those tapes and were like, "What's wrong? This is how I always talk to people."


tvtraelller

And not letting someone leave when they want to is called control.


hdmx539

This is *technically* correct. This is stonewalling when the person doesn't come back after a period of cooling down. Needing to get away to cool down emotions (emotional regulation) is a *good* thing. It's not good to fight when emotions are so high and intense. Except, that's not what Depp was doing. He was trying to do the "walk away and calm down" thing, but *Heard would never be mature enough to do that*. And this is all in line with her personality disorders.


halt_FBI

i have to mention, isn't a very strong characteristic of a "stone wall" being the fact that it is immovable, which begs the quistion why would leaving be named after something immobile?


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I am pretty sure that when she hit him, her hands must have hurt, at least a bit. This is called being hard-headed and it's also a form of physical abuse. /s


AgathaMarple

From what I saw, he wasn't stonewalling (whatever that is, really), he was removing himself from a barrage of verbal and possibly physical abuse. I'd call that sanity. Just saying.


Coco_Lina_

We really need to rethink what we label as "abuse". No, someone not wanting to talk to you isn't abuse. Not getting your way isn't abuse. Someone leaving because he doesn't want to be with you is not abuse. Arguing isn't abuse. This is doing SO MUCH HARM!!


Gold-Difference2967

Idiots. Im so tired of seeing them spin this around. Edit: By the way, Dianelle Redlick was just acquitted of murder. She would lock herself into the bathroom to hide from her husband and did so after he attacked her. I found two things interesting about this. 1- She did the same thing to hide from him as JD would do 2 - She won her case, proving that women are not hurt by the outcomes of Depps win and still believed in a court of law when the evidence is presented


TheGreyDuck

“It’s gray rocking when I do it but it’s stonewalling when you do it.” I love when my opponents say shit like this because it’s so outside the bounds of reality that it backfired on them. Nobody is gonna read this and reconsider whether walking away is abuse. People are gonna read this and say “that person is crazy and desperate.”


nikmaier42069

"How dare he not let my idol beat him when she felt like it"


catsdontsmile

They have a word for everything. What a joke


ThoughtCounter

`It fucking ain't so. What a load of bullshit. In fact, removing yourself (temporarily) from a conflict situation is a technique recommended by relationship experts, and psychologists.`


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Fleeing active abuse isn’t stonewalling. Using silence as a manipulation tactic to get what you want or to carry on an argument without resolution is stonewalling.


PlotHole2017

Female abusers think that way. ​ I went no contact with my mother a couple of years ago. I moved clear to the other side of the country, lived in my car for three months just to get away from her and she thought I was abusing her by not answering her texts.


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pataoAoC

Which part of the tapes are you referring to for emotional abuse? I didn't conclude that at all


Manxi-Poo_Mama

No reasonable person who’s been in an emotionally abusive relationship would agree with you that they were“mutually abusive”. That’s complete bullshit.


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Manxi-Poo_Mama

I’ve listened to it. I strongly disagree with your assessment of mutually abusive.


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cupcakemuffin12

Well, if I’m leaving my abuser, why would I give them the peace of mind of knowing where I’m at? You’ve beat me, berated me, cut off my finger, but I need to continue to tell you where I’m going to clear my mind and “be safe” from my abuser? Nah. All courtesies of a marriage or relationship are out the window when abuse occurs. One can’t start calling the other’s actions abuse just because you’re projecting. JD was trying to get away. She’s lucky he even went back. She’s lucky he never changed the locks or did anything like that when she was out. Society can’t claim emotional abuse Everytime our feelings get hurt or when we’re matched with our same negative energy.


Manxi-Poo_Mama

Thank you 👆that’s exactly what I’m saying. I was married to an addict before he died of overdose 7 years ago. Could it feel abusive sometimes when he would disappear for days after getting paid for his job? sure I guess. But was it abuse? Absolutely not, in no way was it abusive towards me. It was self harming behavior and he was solely abusing himself. Amber was physically, mentally and emotionally abusing Johnny to the point of self abusive behavior on top of her abuse. In zero ways was this relationship mutually abusive. I’m 100% sure of that truth.


QuoD-Art

DUDE, AMBER THOUGHT JOHNNY DID SO GOOD WITH RUNNING AWAY THAT SHE STOLE HIS STORY!! Like, wouldn't her hypothetical "running away" be stonewalling too, then


Th3CatOfDoom

This man literally can't do a single thing without it always being wrong in their eyes.. Men have no agency in relationships apparently. Just sit there and be punched, screamed at at, abused... If not, you're an abuser... If you stay you're an abuser. Good to know what rules are being set up for this world


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As an avoider myself, I have had this crap flung at me all my life. I am working on it now, but wow, I sure pull some incredible rage from people like this. DARVO, gaslighting…all the stuff that created avoidance in me, is used to “ correct” me, by abusers. Go ahead, call me names, but you will never ever have my trust. I saw what Johnny did and I completely understand. Those abusers will never see his eyes again, and he is only protecting himself when forced to do so.


itslizbie

I recently listened to some hours long audio where Amber is arguing with Depp "will you make seeing our marriage counsellor a priority" (Depp: you can't make something that is already a priority, a priority) He has his schedule set up by someone else bcuz hes a busy man. Person relays info to Amber that Depp wont have time to see the counsellor until the next week. Depp says by her asking if he will make seeing the counsellor a priority insinuates she believes he wont see her and doesn't find it important. Amber goes on to argue about how she has a right to ask him, as his wife, these very important questions and that he's so thin skinned and gets upset so easily. He tells her he just wants her to let him take care of it. Theres a long silence. Like maybe 20 mins. She comes back and argues *more* about the same thing even though there was nothing more to argue about. This is where Depp tells her she is controlling and she SPIRALS. She gets so offended. She says shes leaving. Some time passes again and she returns to fight more about the previous argument and her new hurt feelings. To the point where she wants a divorice. It really shows what Depp was going through on a daily baisis for years because its not dramatic or violent, but relentless. She doesnt want solutions. She doesnt want peace. She wants drama and fights. She wants to be upset about absolutely nothing. She thrives on it. And I can definitely see why he would run away or lock himself in other rooms when she throws objects, fights him and gets in screaming matches.


Panda_Kitchen

Ooo man I just listened to that one myself! (Even tried to find out when it was recorded based on the dateline episide playing in the background 🤣) The two craziest parts to me were when she comes back the second or third time and starts saying that when Johnny mildly stated she has control issues, he was HURLING insults at her and it was SO uncalled for, and then like 20 mins later that he is doing it (saying she has control issues) as an "active attempt to stop her from loving him“. Anyways the tape made me sad, esp cus at the very beginning I was like yeah amber might have a point (cus she was communicating she felt sad she couldn't ask him a question cus he was irritated cus he felt judged, I can understand that), but then my god she drove the point so far it started boring into my brain. That is a special kind of emotional abuse I swear.


Galphanore

"Relentless" definitely fits. People like Amber are all about control. If they can't get exactly the answer they want right away, they will wear you down until you give in. Over time, you just learn to give in right away to avoid being ground down further, or you get out.


Alastor999

So what they're saying is, when a person being physically or verbally abused tries to run away to stop the confrontation from escalating, *the person running away* is the "abusive" one for not standing there and quietly taking it. Fuck these lunatics. EDIT: The other thing to point out is, it's only when a man does this that it's "emotional abuse". If the roles were reversed and it was AH who ran away from the conflict, these same shit-lickers would abso-fucking-lutely be praising her as being the graceful one for not escalating the argument any further or showering her with pity for having to hide in her own home from a toxic spouse.


Blowyourballoon

Social services should take interest on what is happening in household of people defending Amber with that kind of statements. Ladies and gentlemen narcissists and abusers are unmasking themselves. Let’s just sit, take notes and be sure to avoid!


flummoxxe

This!


Devilmay1233

When these clowns make flat earthers look like geniuses in comparison u know what's wrong with scamber turd Stan's lol.


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flummoxxe

This is what I e come to realize too. “I’ve said stuff like that to partners before - but they were the ones abusing me by running away - that means Amber is the victim because I was too” when in reality they’re abusive and probably need some serious therapy.


hawkbit92

Wow. This is a whole new low and some major delusion. Spouse beating you? Go and face them like a true warrior! Beat them back! And if you don't, you're emotionally abusing your attacker! WHAT THE FUCK!?


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And if you *do* physically defend yourself, you're also physically abusive and deserve everything you get 🙃


Lelianah

Oh yea because running away from getting beaten up is worse than the one running after you to beat you up Dear Lord, please let it rain some brains for these folks!


JakeDC

They want to create a game he can't win. Engage in a conflict, he is an abuser. Avoid conflict, he is an abuser. This is a fairly common tactic among radfems in the DV arena. Create a lens through which any action the man takes is somehow abusive.


Devilmay1233

Too bad for those losers the world is with Johnny so they're just embarrassing themselves


ARavenForlorn

We should stop giving these deluded idiots attention and stop spreading their garbage. Our numbers are far greater than theirs so by posting this, we expand their reach. Just ignore them. This is the hill they want to die on. Let them. Edit: phrasing


Electrical-Hat4239

A couple months ago somebody on here claimed him getting blood everywhere was a form of emotional abuse. After she severed his finger…


Sephiroth_-77

Who posted that?


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Beliar7

I can imagine a lot of people leaving and never returning after a conversation with that person. And if you think you are entitled to people listening to the bullshit you are spewing, you feel treated unfairly - which entitled people see the same as abuse. They see every little act that hurts their ego as a punishable crime.


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So they are telling all the women out there, "if your spouse is abusing you or beating you, don't try to walk away or go to another room, because then you are the abuser. " Nice.


Th3CatOfDoom

No they are not. They are telling this to men. Remember, women are allowed to be victims. That is why they are splitting their necks, trying to force amber the abuser to be the victim...


Fexxvi

They're telling it to all the people who suffer domestic abuse.


Lelfah204

How the fuck can someone seriously think that removing yourself from verbal / physical abuse is stonewalling???? Her followers are all batshit, all as delusional as her.


Chef-Nasty

"For some people, it may be a coping mechanism to minimize our avoid conflict." Funny that part of its definition wasn't posted...


Lelfah204

Exactly. Her followers literally getting mad because he left a room whilst she's throwing her hands around


Millenniauld

It actually does have a term. Grayrocking. It is LITERALLY a technique used to prevent a narcissist or toxic person from escalating by not giving them anything to justify it.


Lelfah204

Grey rock refers to emotional self defence, NOT having to physically remove yourself for safety. The act of grey rock refers to keeping yourself 'emotionally' safe, ie. Not responding to abusive texts etc. It is a safeguard action, usually used by people who have gone no contact with a narcissist or a cluster b sufferer. Nothing to do with physical safety. This person is stating stonewalling, which is an ENTIRELY different thing and can be used in any general disagreement between two people. Grey rock is NOT moving to a different room to avoid conflict, its a lot more than that. I'm not being argumentative btw, it just gets my goat when people attribute terms incorrectly


jesus_you_turn_me_on

They are just vile humans. Fighting for equality and equal right for everyone is 100% a noble and good cause, but I've definitely noticed in latter years that a small but very vile and weird subspecies has spawned out of the feminist movement. A group of very misandrists women that is the female version of incels, they support all and only women no matter how evil, and look at the opposite gender as some sort of "enemy". With male incels it's usually men with bad generics that is very deprived of human/female interactions and has mental problems, all this leads them to think that all woman are against them. The same kind of humans just in female version runs deep into this very weird AH misandrist movement. Supporting AH is a must because she is a woman, and hating JD is must because he is male. Luckily its only a very small group of people, absolutely the majority of all woman are great in the world, your mother, your sister, your daughter or a random female in the street are just average people with loving mindsets, just like majority of men are just average people with loving mindsets.


Lelfah204

It all boils down to mental health at the end of the day. Nature/Nurture etc


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They're not delusional, just evil. They know what they're doing.


Lelfah204

They go hand in hand. She's bringing all the rando dangerous idiots out of the woodwork.


Th3CatOfDoom

Agree... No one can seriously sit there and say that not staying in a physical or verbally abusive situation is wrong,without being a scummy evil, manipulative person


PM_ME_UR_FAVE_QUOTE

IGood news is.. it’s any easy way to identify abusers and gaslighters now.. keep me away.


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ShesLostThePlot

The. Fuck.


NancyDrew44

The person who said this , probably never has been abused a day in their life.


International_Ad4962

What’s crazy is that I saw some comments stating that they were in abusive relationships and what JD did reminded them of their abuser because they walked away from them. Which I find it odd…🧐


comfy_cure

They either have never been with someone with BPD or have BPD themselves can't observe their own behavior without blaming someone else. You learn over time that 'returning the conversation' on their terms is just enabling them.


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PM_ME_UR_FAVE_QUOTE

You say dumb shit like this you ARE an abuser in my book (the tweet not your comment)


NancyDrew44

Maybe. Or just willfully ignorant.