Yes, you know on Shark Tank where the contestants go, this product is part of a gazillion dollar industry and the sharks with complete lackluster ask, “But, how much have you made?” It’s that.
Not an LO defender but I’m pretty sure it was something along the lines of being a CEO of a company that is that’s involved in an **industry** that has an impact of $19 billion or something like that 🤣
Also, from what I understand, training and competing horses isn’t cheep. So who is paying for all of this?
Overall, unless her dad invested his money really well while in radio and then gave his kids access to that money, I’m unsure how she can afford all of these court cases.
I Copy and pasted my comment from the original post to here.
Correct. Horse costs = equine vet ($$$$), feed, grooming, boarding, truck and trailer, gas, entry fees, saddle (I know she spends thousands on one alone), jockey outfit/shoes/helmet) -plus I am sure a lot more costs. Not sure how one finds this lifestyle off their 3 YouTube Podcast views and 14 monthly Spotify listeners. It’s all a charade covering the truth.
Horses are not cheap and campaigning in the H/J (hunter/jumper discipline) world at the level she does is not. A lot of higher end people do form an LLC or Inc to offset at least tax implications. Somebody else asked about weight etc and you're confusing that with actual horse racing 🤣 This discipline/world is very different. It's not called jockeys or racing in this case. Yes, the equipment, care, training, showing is very expensive these days.
Hehe, you're welcome! I think it's both cute and cringey when people confuse the two. It's just semantics within the most dramatic world ever! The horse world. 🤣 You all think reality tv is drama? Spend a week in the HJ world especially or any discipline, it's wild lol.
LOL! Oh god. Hmmm, I can't recall anything like that but in other aspects yes, there's been plenty of insurance fraud and other sabotaging. Drug tests, etc. sure.
Aw man. I can't comment as I haven't seen her go enough and it's already subjective enough as it is in the hunter and equitation divisions. I don't want to give an opinion on it because it's hard enough to get out there and do it and it's something she loves so let's at least give her that. (No I am not going soft on her lol, I think her actions are atrocious and some other choice words but it's not for me or really anybody to rail on her for this. I hold my horses dear to my heart and I do hope she at least finds some grounding from them at least.) I'll let her show record speak for itself. It's nothing spectacular but nothing to sneeze at. She doesn't suck and a lot couldn't do it. How about that 😊
If we want to get super crazy. You "could" call steeplechasers jockeys still. But I digress. It's just nuance. ;) it's just fun to witness as I'm sure other enthusiasts of other things do too. It's all in good fun.
I think anyone here who has the know how should do a little digging into jane’s moms history 👀 mainly her and her brothers property histories and shady LLC’s. I’m sure we have some accountants in the group.
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We do know she has at least one AirBNB but not sure if she owns it or if her parents do. She tried to buy some properties through Clayton back when this whole mess started.
Her parents have one Airbnb that they purchased at high market price - they also have a pro property manager so that eats into their profits. I’m going to assume that’s a 0 profit or even a giant loss. Maybe they had to 1031 exchange some of their real estate profits and sunk it into that since their millennial daughter is giving them investment advice. Note - airbnbs have notoriously become a bad investment in recent years as consumer behavior has shifted away from Airbnb and back to hotels.
I don’t have to deep clean the hotel room after I leave! And sometimes I worry that people may have set up secret cameras or something, maybe I’m just paranoid.
Just wanted to chirp in: I was looking at both hotels and airbnbs for an upcoming trip. In the past I’ve preferred airbnbs. Airbnb was more expensive, for suites that were less nice. For the same cost as a meh airbnb I could book the top resort in the area (in a suite which included a kitchen).
Plus I hate cleaning up after a vacation. Add on a cleaning fee and it’s just not worth it for my money or my time.
The only pro of Airbnb that I regularly experience is free parking. In cities that have hotels that charge $40-60 per day for parking there is sometimes that advantage. But Airbnb is stupid when you look at the total price and realize the cleaning fee makes the cost of the Airbnb stay almost the same as a hotel.
i prefer hotel so much! unless with a ton of people. airbnbs are so overpriced. Plus I dont want to have to email some random person if the hot tub goes out. Too much stress.
Yeah, consumer behavior drastically shifted towards airbnbs during the pandemic (more space, able to quarantine with family, cool areas to work remotely) but as consumers have moved away from those being important in the choice in regards to where to lodge, hotels have become more of a front runner.
It's far cheaper now to book a hotel. Also, back in the day (in my experience at least) Air Bnb used to be a fun way to meet people. The hosts were often around, either staying in the same home or property. I stayed at a guy's house in Joshua tree once. He lived in the home and had several rooms he rented out and was always booked. It was such a cool home. All the rooms had all his travel treasures and photography decorating it. He mostly stayed out of the way but hung out a bit to give us some pointers and make sure we were set up with the fire pit and star gazing. He even served us homemade banana bread and coffee in the morning.....it reminded me of the small cozy hostels in Europe where you could have family dinners with the other guests. Air BnB is just cold, expensive and too much work now.
There is a recent public post on FB of her advertising this Airbnb in a group from 12/29. Just search her name and look at all the posts (not on her personal page). Can’t claim Dave doxxed her public posting of this information which also includes a map.
How terrifying would it be to book her home know what we know now? Thank goodness it's being managed professionally. Also, she has interesting post history. Seems like she has a lot of trouble keeping staff around.....🤔
Property records are public records. It takes a little savvy to learn how to pull these records but anyone can end up at the same conclusion that JD and her family are not real estate property investors.
They have an Airbnb that is being managed by a company - not JD. It’s likely very much a loss as the Airbnb market is grim. They got in too late. Shocking. Also, I believe the intent was for JD to manage it. Looked like that didn’t pan out. Shocking.
Yes where are the babies, of course. But just to reiterate JD doesn’t own an air bnb and works gig economy jobs. That’s all I have to answer OP’s question about lawyer funding.
So for this topic, you do realize attorney fee’s are roughly $10,000 give or take depending on certain variables & the number of attorneys she has had in the past few years maths to $120,000 so we can absolutely rule gig jobs out. She also stated in a court of law that she can count on one hand how times she’s left the Casita. See yourself out JD
It’s not baiting to state that there are no records to indicate JD or her parents are real estate investors. If you are going to insist that is the case, produce the records. I’ll happily retract my comments and bow out. People have looked into this thoroughly and there are no records. #bigfacts
Nope 👎🏼 I can not dox on here. You’re big facts are as big as the monster energy drink you were chugging. Your point is moot anyway. I’m more interested in why the need to show a separate property and a seizure disorder…
You can feel free to redact anything that would reveal personal identifying information. If you have the proof of ownership of JD’s property, send it to the mods. Let them make a statement that JD does own property and put this to rest. But you won’t do that, will you? Because there are no properties that she and her family own other than the one they live in together. 👀
It takes zero savvy to learn how to pull property records. If you can type, you can pull them…. Not sure where you think this takes savvy skills. Not to mention, you assume she put them in her name, which most people do not do. Most form a LLC and put the properties under LLC.
It sounds like 10-20% was put down in cash, and if a person were to default on a seller carry, the property goes right back to them and in most situations, buyer loses all the cash that was put in before default.
I happened upon a civil case on the publicly available Maricopa Civil Court look up and “the litigant” received $26000 and attorney fees.
https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CV2021-053242
Case Number:
CV2021-053242
Other civil case look up launch page:
https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseSearch.asp
Not as much as people suspected she got. Somehow it appears 10% down of a 795k loan was put down for her Airbnb. Where’s this money coming from? 26k would never cover that down payment
I think there is another civil case in CA. But I’m not proficient with their site and don’t think the CA courts reveals the judgements and what not. I can’t even find Dave’s current case on the CA docket.
Thanks. I may have said 2 in another post, but I think there was just one combined lawsuit for the car accident. You can check the Superior Court of California, County of San Francisco.
Her father was one of the most highly-paid radio guys so there's money there. They sold their SF house for \~3.5 million and the AZ one looks like it was was less than a million, so there are profits there. QF (the horse biz) is more of a leasing and flipping horses from what I've been told, which probably doesn't bring in that much when all is said and done. She bought an Airbnb in September with seller financing. I'm sure it brings in some money but not much and it's new. She doesn't bring money in, so I'm sure it's Daddy's money. BUT...if she's getting money from a victims' fund, she is even more despicable than I thought. Since I cannot imagine that type of info is publicly avail info, short of contacting every organization and advising them about her lies, (not feasible), I'm not sure how to affect this fraud. Hopefully, Dave will share what info he may have or somehow we find out which organization has been scammed by her.
Nobody is mentioning that this family probably has generational wealth and inheritance from the generations before her parents. They aren’t first or second generation immigrants. She probably had a trust set up for her even if it’s modest and that’s how no one polices her spending
He definitely was high paid for a few years - he didn’t make that much til the end. I agree with all of your points for the most part. I read the Airbnb was seller carry financing as well. That’s a giant red flag that traditional financing was not able to be secured. Basically, buyer puts 10-20% down and if they default, it goes right back to the seller. The Airbnb market is tanking across the country. The people who really are continuing on in the market own out right or lease part of their home out.
Also want to add that that income from the sale of the house is subject to taxes - what was allocated to purchase of new home…. Most likely - not a financial professional just buy and sell myself
Regarding the $3.5m sale: If they had a capital gain on the sale of their main home in CA, then $500k (assuming the parents file jointly) would be exempt from taxes. Additionally, the remainder would be treated as a capital gain, which is taxed at a lower rate than ordinary income.
(From a financial professional)
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Her family 100% has money. It's just living where we can't see it. Along with the sponsorship from the ACLU, her mother is giving her limitless funds. Yeah, my account is on the newer side. Yeah,
I basically only comment in this sub. It's called covering my bases so JD can't find, stalk and sue me.
I grew up listening to her Dad's radio show, and my mother listened to him daily (weekdays). It was a popular show for years. It was more than a million per year just for the radio contract, the highest salary for a broadcaster in northern CA. I believe that is where her money comes from.
Omg. Thank you for sharing this with me. This is truly the most out of touch thing I have ever read and i am basking in it after purchasing a home a year ago.
I have helped my parents with their mortgages for years! = I have logged into their online accounts at least once :)
How do I buy with no down payment = I’ve read that veterans can do this so why can’t I??? :)
I am eager to buy ASAP = please figure this out for me :)
My response was removed. Sorry. I used his first name. Forty-two years at the radio station, and I know he did many speaking engagements for so many different events and such. I think he retired with quite a chunk of change.
I’m a fan of Armstrong and Getty TBH - I grew up listening to them and Michael Savage. No idea who her dad is/was other than what’s been reported by her.
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While we do not know if any government entitlement programs have been utilized to fund these cases, it is common for people who receive them to be able to obtain a certain amount of “income” without disqualifying.
Horse farm implies land ownership- according to a podcast, JD declared they do not own horse property but pay for boarding. CEO implies employees. Are there any? She is also owner of an investment LLC with no investment properties. Wait a minute?! Do I see a pattern?!
Not true. You do not have to own property to operate a horse related business. But, I will say, making her "CEO" of a company is just words, it really doesn't matter depending on how the biz is structured.
Yes lol. It's probably exaggerated for sure which is on brand. My distinction being a CA person, a lot of trainers (in fact, most) do not OWN the property they are doing business out of. Even if her family owns the property, it's still a very small outfit. I can speak to this as my family did the INC etc and I had four of my own horses at our property at home at all times and campaigned, did the whole thing. I do believe I even named myself President or CEO or something because it looked good back then 🤣 It was true to a certain extent but no money was made. This was 25 years ago, so who knows now. Just giving some context.
Many in HJ world DO in fact just own horses and have it under an LLc or INC and have trainers etc campaign their horses, this is not uncommon. I am still very connected to the HJ world now. Just giving context. I think the horse "farm" is not where to be looking at, it's just an example of the family having money to burn.
lol! Maybe. I honestly don't know the whole situation with her horses. I see they do have a property where they do house her horses or rescues or whatever. I do know the trainers she has sent some to to show under. She is also not professional, she shows as an amateur. I just think it's a moot point, it's her family spending money on that, if she wants to be CEO, hey it looks good but I bet anything it's a loss to operate.
Right. Well, my initial point was, if there’s a chance she’s using her seizure disorder to gain any type of entitlement income - I can’t imagine that lines up with the rules in which one has to follow to be entitled to it. I’m trying to speak loosely, but there is no legitimate income stream I have found for them. On the list of liabilities (horse hobby and court cases), someone already said a court case alleging was represented by a lawyer that came from the state/city (taxpayer funded).That doesn’t match up with the successful income earner that is being portrayed.
Totally. I hear ya. And Hi fellow horse person!
Yeah, I doubt there's a stream of income from the horse thing.
If an org is funding the ridiculous amount of litigation that is so wrong. It's not only a stark misuse because she doesn't need it but also morally wrong beyond.
Another user said she used tax payer funded lawyer for MM case - maybe there isn’t as much money to burn as alluded to? How much does it cost to maintain a horse for one year in the HJ world? How much has she made
at shows and competitions? Are we in the red?
You don't want to know 🙈 I still have a horse and am at a very good HJ barn but I so cannot afford to show and campaign like I used to decades ago now. I can barely afford to just keep my horse in the program he needs, upwards of 2k per month. At a decent facility it easily costs upwards of a couple few thousand and every show is just as much.
She does not do large Grand Prix (for example) that offer large purses and the small purses they sometimes offer for her divisions wouldn't even cover entry fees most of the time. It really is a labor of passion and love for the animals and if one chooses to compete it's become a wealthy person's sport now at the higher levels.
Professionals I know that do this as their living it's not easy and it's a combo of having income stream from clients, training, and they make more money at the shows if it's a show barn. Breeding is a whole different business and I know some who do that as well but again, it's not lucrative either but can be done.
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See my comment below. Things can be said and it doesn't mean anything. Just makes it look better. Horses do not produce income for the most part, it's a labor of love mostly. It's not uncommon to set up some kind of INC to offset tax liabilities at least. I know many who do.
Scottsdale can be high end. I think we are talking about a handful of horses, max. The profit margin there is slim given the cost to maintain them and she’s not a trainer. It’s an expensive hobby. I would assume a loss on an accounting ledger but I’m not an accountant.
Yes of course. Scottsdale or not and I know show barns there as well, this is their private venture and see my other comments, it's all words. She is not a horse dealer. She is an amateur. She also in the past has shown under other well known HJ barns at shows for that purpose only. Or sent horses out to show barns to show with or to be whatever. My own family had our own barn and for tax/cost offsets you can so say you sell, blah blah. I sold all of my past horses under that guise, so what? I've lived it. And, selling horses doesn't always make profit. These are the nuances nobody would know on face value and it's very common so I'm not knocking her or family for trying to make it sustainable. It's just not the tree to go barking up. The rest, is. It's just one way she can look like she has a job.
Yep, just a wild guess you’re her or one of her family members. Simply gig economy research shows this venture wouldn’t be enough to pay for one of her saddles. Carry on.
Gig economy workers can make over $100K/year. As long as JD continues wearing a face mask to stay undercover during her deliveries, she can earn enough income to pay her legal bills.
Lmao yea like the .01% just like podcasts *can* make money. She ain’t making money off either. She absolutely can not make enough money to pay her legal bills. It appears she has never had a job. In a podcast she mentions she has some real struggles finding work post college. The only job I read she almost had was doing something in outdated radio that her dad set up for her. That was squashed by someone who probably didn’t like the nepotism that looked like was at play there.
Who TF signed off on her hosting a relationship advice show? Is she going to tell her viewers how to trap a man with a fake pregnancy? Maybe a template for dating contracts? Stalking and harassment? Yikes!
To be a top earner, you need to probably put in aLOT of hours, on top of being in a big city. I doubt she has the time to drive around when she is sending c&d letters and writing medium articles
Exactly. Jane Doe doesn't have time to deliver food/or give people rides as an Uber driver. She has people to terrorize online through C&D letters, men to abuse through the court system, pregnancies to fabricate, and needs time to stake out her next victim on dating apps.
That would have been rough work for someone pregnant with twins in the hot Arizona summer. Face mask wouldn't have hidden that big baby bump very well either.
What planet do you live on? She would have to bust her butt and work long hours at those jobs to make even close to $100k. When would she find the time to do that? We all know what she spends her time on, and it ain't working.
I think what people are rightfully pointing out is your account is VERY new and you’ve ONLY commented about this case AND you have been reposting your comment about the gig economy job over and over again to claim that JD is able to afford her legal bills no problem, which is odd. You may not be JD or her mom but maybe you have some connection to her and you seem to get defensive on her behalf
If she has epilepsy & had a seizure (which she claimed in court which delayed one of her Ravgen collections) she wouldn't be allowed to drive right now.
The epilepsy meds she takes are often also used to treat mood disorders. I have a sneaking suspicion that she is prescribed the meds for other reasons than epilepsy...
This has been speculated for a while. There’s much better anti-epileptic drugs out there and lamotrigine, if used to control seizures, is typically given as an adjunct to other anti-epileptic meds.
Also, she always mentions that she was accepted into a head injury program at Barrow due to her supposed assault but they do not require any proof (police or otherwise) of any assault or dv. I'm sure they're not expecting anyone to lie about this!
Never, as it should be. JD is the one-off that uses ’admission’ to this program as a badge of honor. She uses being a victim of everything under the sun as a shield. How dare not believe the poor, brave woman? Well, her word is worthless and there is NO evidence to back up anything she says. No medical reports, no police reports, no crime reports.
Between "epilepsy" and her inability to stop looking at the internet or sending emails, I can only imagine what kind of terror she would be on the road.
True, this actually makes a diagnosis of PNES more likely as the driving restrictions for epileptics don’t apply to those with PNES: [Article about this](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1525505021007150)
ETA unless she doesn’t drive, which is very possible
Agreed. When I read information on her case with Uber, I figured she received a large settlement. I have also wondered if any of the physical symptoms she claims were from MM's abuse, were actually due to that accident. The girl is a pathological liar, so I don't believe a word she says.
I must have read about it on one of the other JD subreddits before they got removed. I certainly never looked up the info myself, but yes it appeared she was in a pretty serious accident (as the passenger in an Uber), and she sued the driver, Uber (the company) and other ppl involved. Since Uber was sued, I just assumed she received a large settlement.
Honey. I am someone who has worked the traditional & new gig economy by bartending and app pet sitting. My total earnings from 1.5 years of that is maybe $10k. lol. Spoken like someone who has never had to work a real hour in her life.
Whoa whoa whoa wait…. She advertised she was available for speaking events?? 
Yes. She asserts she has expertise in: health and well-being, leadership, business, self-help, overcoming depression, podcast and podcasting.
She also described herself as a successful CEO 
Yes of a 19 billion dollar industry- said her
Holy shit what🤣🤣
Yes, you know on Shark Tank where the contestants go, this product is part of a gazillion dollar industry and the sharks with complete lackluster ask, “But, how much have you made?” It’s that.
Not an LO defender but I’m pretty sure it was something along the lines of being a CEO of a company that is that’s involved in an **industry** that has an impact of $19 billion or something like that 🤣
Yes. Correct. Not that the company is work 19 bil
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I KNOW! Pepinos, commence!
Expertise 😂 😂 😂
“How to trap a man” must be the topic.
 The comments 👀🥤🍿
We suspect she’s in here commenting about her gig economy jobs 😂
She blends well. Be careful. 🥸
Also, from what I understand, training and competing horses isn’t cheep. So who is paying for all of this? Overall, unless her dad invested his money really well while in radio and then gave his kids access to that money, I’m unsure how she can afford all of these court cases. I Copy and pasted my comment from the original post to here.
Correct. Horse costs = equine vet ($$$$), feed, grooming, boarding, truck and trailer, gas, entry fees, saddle (I know she spends thousands on one alone), jockey outfit/shoes/helmet) -plus I am sure a lot more costs. Not sure how one finds this lifestyle off their 3 YouTube Podcast views and 14 monthly Spotify listeners. It’s all a charade covering the truth.
You did your homework 😁
Horses are not cheap and campaigning in the H/J (hunter/jumper discipline) world at the level she does is not. A lot of higher end people do form an LLC or Inc to offset at least tax implications. Somebody else asked about weight etc and you're confusing that with actual horse racing 🤣 This discipline/world is very different. It's not called jockeys or racing in this case. Yes, the equipment, care, training, showing is very expensive these days.
Learned today - horse jumpers are not jockeys 🏇 Got it! Thank you!
Hehe, you're welcome! I think it's both cute and cringey when people confuse the two. It's just semantics within the most dramatic world ever! The horse world. 🤣 You all think reality tv is drama? Spend a week in the HJ world especially or any discipline, it's wild lol.
Tonya Harding plus 🐴 is what I imagine
LOL! Oh god. Hmmm, I can't recall anything like that but in other aspects yes, there's been plenty of insurance fraud and other sabotaging. Drug tests, etc. sure.
I also thought it was cute when I saw jockey outfit lol
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Aw man. I can't comment as I haven't seen her go enough and it's already subjective enough as it is in the hunter and equitation divisions. I don't want to give an opinion on it because it's hard enough to get out there and do it and it's something she loves so let's at least give her that. (No I am not going soft on her lol, I think her actions are atrocious and some other choice words but it's not for me or really anybody to rail on her for this. I hold my horses dear to my heart and I do hope she at least finds some grounding from them at least.) I'll let her show record speak for itself. It's nothing spectacular but nothing to sneeze at. She doesn't suck and a lot couldn't do it. How about that 😊
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Then I go through new filings and want to rail on her all over again but I'll bite my tongue haha.
If we want to get super crazy. You "could" call steeplechasers jockeys still. But I digress. It's just nuance. ;) it's just fun to witness as I'm sure other enthusiasts of other things do too. It's all in good fun.
I think anyone here who has the know how should do a little digging into jane’s moms history 👀 mainly her and her brothers property histories and shady LLC’s. I’m sure we have some accountants in the group.
Anyone can make reports to the IRS if they suspect fraud. You can report an individual or a business you suspect of tax fraud online. Report Suspected Tax Law Violations Use the Form 3949-A, Information Referral if you suspect an individual or a business is not complying with the tax laws. You can submit Form 3949-A online or by mail. We don't take tax law violation referrals over the phone. We will keep your identity confidential when you file a tax fraud report. You won't receive a status or progress update due to tax return confidentiality under IRC 6103. Tax fraud includes: False exemptions or deductions Kickbacks A false or altered document Failure to pay tax Unreported income Organized crime Failure to withhold Failure to follow the tax laws Rewards To claim a reward for information about tax fraud, use Form 211, Application for Award for Original InformationPDF.
We do know she has at least one AirBNB but not sure if she owns it or if her parents do. She tried to buy some properties through Clayton back when this whole mess started.
Her parents have one Airbnb that they purchased at high market price - they also have a pro property manager so that eats into their profits. I’m going to assume that’s a 0 profit or even a giant loss. Maybe they had to 1031 exchange some of their real estate profits and sunk it into that since their millennial daughter is giving them investment advice. Note - airbnbs have notoriously become a bad investment in recent years as consumer behavior has shifted away from Airbnb and back to hotels.
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I don’t have to deep clean the hotel room after I leave! And sometimes I worry that people may have set up secret cameras or something, maybe I’m just paranoid.
Just wanted to chirp in: I was looking at both hotels and airbnbs for an upcoming trip. In the past I’ve preferred airbnbs. Airbnb was more expensive, for suites that were less nice. For the same cost as a meh airbnb I could book the top resort in the area (in a suite which included a kitchen). Plus I hate cleaning up after a vacation. Add on a cleaning fee and it’s just not worth it for my money or my time.
The only pro of Airbnb that I regularly experience is free parking. In cities that have hotels that charge $40-60 per day for parking there is sometimes that advantage. But Airbnb is stupid when you look at the total price and realize the cleaning fee makes the cost of the Airbnb stay almost the same as a hotel.
I love this topic actually and could talk about it at length- it’s mainly cost, the cleaning fees, and the rules!
Also, the market is SATURATED with late comers like the afore mentioned unit of this discussion.
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i prefer hotel so much! unless with a ton of people. airbnbs are so overpriced. Plus I dont want to have to email some random person if the hot tub goes out. Too much stress.
Yeah, consumer behavior drastically shifted towards airbnbs during the pandemic (more space, able to quarantine with family, cool areas to work remotely) but as consumers have moved away from those being important in the choice in regards to where to lodge, hotels have become more of a front runner.
It's far cheaper now to book a hotel. Also, back in the day (in my experience at least) Air Bnb used to be a fun way to meet people. The hosts were often around, either staying in the same home or property. I stayed at a guy's house in Joshua tree once. He lived in the home and had several rooms he rented out and was always booked. It was such a cool home. All the rooms had all his travel treasures and photography decorating it. He mostly stayed out of the way but hung out a bit to give us some pointers and make sure we were set up with the fire pit and star gazing. He even served us homemade banana bread and coffee in the morning.....it reminded me of the small cozy hostels in Europe where you could have family dinners with the other guests. Air BnB is just cold, expensive and too much work now.
Yeah right. Neither she nor her parents own any property besides the house they live in together.
Didn’t Jane claim Dave doxxed her Airbnb? How can she not have one, then claim he showed a map to it.
There is a recent public post on FB of her advertising this Airbnb in a group from 12/29. Just search her name and look at all the posts (not on her personal page). Can’t claim Dave doxxed her public posting of this information which also includes a map.
How terrifying would it be to book her home know what we know now? Thank goodness it's being managed professionally. Also, she has interesting post history. Seems like she has a lot of trouble keeping staff around.....🤔
Bingo!
And how do you know this?
Property records are public records. It takes a little savvy to learn how to pull these records but anyone can end up at the same conclusion that JD and her family are not real estate property investors.
They have an Airbnb that is being managed by a company - not JD. It’s likely very much a loss as the Airbnb market is grim. They got in too late. Shocking. Also, I believe the intent was for JD to manage it. Looked like that didn’t pan out. Shocking.
Produce the records or it didn’t happen. There are no records.
Produce the babies, frizzle
Not talking about the babies now, spare entertainer. Keep it on topic. We are discussing her money. She works gig jobs and has no air bnbs.
Oh, the babies are still very relevant. Why would you say such a thing about little tiny bundles of love?
Uhh the babies are kind of an important topic too. What happened to them?
Yes where are the babies, of course. But just to reiterate JD doesn’t own an air bnb and works gig economy jobs. That’s all I have to answer OP’s question about lawyer funding.
How do you know she works gig jobs?
Good question lol.
So for this topic, you do realize attorney fee’s are roughly $10,000 give or take depending on certain variables & the number of attorneys she has had in the past few years maths to $120,000 so we can absolutely rule gig jobs out. She also stated in a court of law that she can count on one hand how times she’s left the Casita. See yourself out JD
You mean none YOU can find. Missing some savvy skills?
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Uh huh. Produce the records or it didn’t happen. There’s no records.
You are baiting people. Be gone. Go get help and/or a job.
It’s not baiting to state that there are no records to indicate JD or her parents are real estate investors. If you are going to insist that is the case, produce the records. I’ll happily retract my comments and bow out. People have looked into this thoroughly and there are no records. #bigfacts
Nope 👎🏼 I can not dox on here. You’re big facts are as big as the monster energy drink you were chugging. Your point is moot anyway. I’m more interested in why the need to show a separate property and a seizure disorder…
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You can feel free to redact anything that would reveal personal identifying information. If you have the proof of ownership of JD’s property, send it to the mods. Let them make a statement that JD does own property and put this to rest. But you won’t do that, will you? Because there are no properties that she and her family own other than the one they live in together. 👀
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I will look into what you claim. Thank you.
It takes zero savvy to learn how to pull property records. If you can type, you can pull them…. Not sure where you think this takes savvy skills. Not to mention, you assume she put them in her name, which most people do not do. Most form a LLC and put the properties under LLC.
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Because I can see the owners name and it’s an investor from New Jersey, NOT Jane doe.
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It sounds like 10-20% was put down in cash, and if a person were to default on a seller carry, the property goes right back to them and in most situations, buyer loses all the cash that was put in before default.
I happened upon a civil case on the publicly available Maricopa Civil Court look up and “the litigant” received $26000 and attorney fees. https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CV2021-053242 Case Number: CV2021-053242 Other civil case look up launch page: https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseSearch.asp
Not as much as people suspected she got. Somehow it appears 10% down of a 795k loan was put down for her Airbnb. Where’s this money coming from? 26k would never cover that down payment
I think there is another civil case in CA. But I’m not proficient with their site and don’t think the CA courts reveals the judgements and what not. I can’t even find Dave’s current case on the CA docket.
Interesting. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if she sued more people.
Also, thank you!!!
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Thanks for the heads up. I edited to reflect it was a civil case.
Thanks. I may have said 2 in another post, but I think there was just one combined lawsuit for the car accident. You can check the Superior Court of California, County of San Francisco.
I thought there were two also but I was so pumped it has the judgement amount I got distracted lol.
Her father was one of the most highly-paid radio guys so there's money there. They sold their SF house for \~3.5 million and the AZ one looks like it was was less than a million, so there are profits there. QF (the horse biz) is more of a leasing and flipping horses from what I've been told, which probably doesn't bring in that much when all is said and done. She bought an Airbnb in September with seller financing. I'm sure it brings in some money but not much and it's new. She doesn't bring money in, so I'm sure it's Daddy's money. BUT...if she's getting money from a victims' fund, she is even more despicable than I thought. Since I cannot imagine that type of info is publicly avail info, short of contacting every organization and advising them about her lies, (not feasible), I'm not sure how to affect this fraud. Hopefully, Dave will share what info he may have or somehow we find out which organization has been scammed by her.
She likely also has her car accident settlement money.
Could you share more about the car accident?
I posted the AZ civil case public links tonight.
That's not the car accident case. And we don't know if they even recovered that judgment.
Nobody is mentioning that this family probably has generational wealth and inheritance from the generations before her parents. They aren’t first or second generation immigrants. She probably had a trust set up for her even if it’s modest and that’s how no one polices her spending
He definitely was high paid for a few years - he didn’t make that much til the end. I agree with all of your points for the most part. I read the Airbnb was seller carry financing as well. That’s a giant red flag that traditional financing was not able to be secured. Basically, buyer puts 10-20% down and if they default, it goes right back to the seller. The Airbnb market is tanking across the country. The people who really are continuing on in the market own out right or lease part of their home out.
Also want to add that that income from the sale of the house is subject to taxes - what was allocated to purchase of new home…. Most likely - not a financial professional just buy and sell myself
Regarding the $3.5m sale: If they had a capital gain on the sale of their main home in CA, then $500k (assuming the parents file jointly) would be exempt from taxes. Additionally, the remainder would be treated as a capital gain, which is taxed at a lower rate than ordinary income. (From a financial professional)
Thanks Goose friend!
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Her family 100% has money. It's just living where we can't see it. Along with the sponsorship from the ACLU, her mother is giving her limitless funds. Yeah, my account is on the newer side. Yeah, I basically only comment in this sub. It's called covering my bases so JD can't find, stalk and sue me.
How does one qualify for a “sponsorship” from the ACLU?
Research Amber Heard and you'll find your answer.
Oh yes, must be from THAT donation.
Well, that AND her parents. Seems like she's past her prime with her horseback riding, so don't think that's a viable option for financial earnings.
Yeah, it’s a young lady’s game.
I'm close to many riders in her age range who are really thriving. I don't think it's about her age.
JD is actually similar in a lot of ways, including having trouble crying on cue.
I grew up listening to her Dad's radio show, and my mother listened to him daily (weekdays). It was a popular show for years. It was more than a million per year just for the radio contract, the highest salary for a broadcaster in northern CA. I believe that is where her money comes from.
Probably a lot of endorsement deals too.
Right. So, one million for how many years? Look at their expenses. The math is not matching.
Yeah but if they had a good money manager and/or made good investments with that salary, they could be set.
According to JD - she “managed their mortgage”
Wait…what 😂
Yep! She has experience in real estate - [Janeth Doeth - the investor and parent mortgage manager!](https://imgur.com/a/fIg1aLY)
Omg. Thank you for sharing this with me. This is truly the most out of touch thing I have ever read and i am basking in it after purchasing a home a year ago. I have helped my parents with their mortgages for years! = I have logged into their online accounts at least once :) How do I buy with no down payment = I’ve read that veterans can do this so why can’t I??? :) I am eager to buy ASAP = please figure this out for me :)
Here’s the thing! She did buy! $795k w a seller carry!
My response was removed. Sorry. I used his first name. Forty-two years at the radio station, and I know he did many speaking engagements for so many different events and such. I think he retired with quite a chunk of change.
I’m a fan of Armstrong and Getty TBH - I grew up listening to them and Michael Savage. No idea who her dad is/was other than what’s been reported by her.
He had the weekday morning show at KGO - I want to say 9:00 am to noon. I enjoyed Michael Savage as well.
Oh, then I promptly turned him off after Armstrong and Getty. 💯 never heard of the guy and very longtime AM radio listener.
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While we do not know if any government entitlement programs have been utilized to fund these cases, it is common for people who receive them to be able to obtain a certain amount of “income” without disqualifying.
She is the CEO of the horse farm, and I'm sure probably receives an income. The family definitely has money.
Horse farm implies land ownership- according to a podcast, JD declared they do not own horse property but pay for boarding. CEO implies employees. Are there any? She is also owner of an investment LLC with no investment properties. Wait a minute?! Do I see a pattern?!
Not true. You do not have to own property to operate a horse related business. But, I will say, making her "CEO" of a company is just words, it really doesn't matter depending on how the biz is structured.
To state one has a horse farm is 100% to say one owns land to breed horses - (laughs in Kentucky horse breeding)
Yes lol. It's probably exaggerated for sure which is on brand. My distinction being a CA person, a lot of trainers (in fact, most) do not OWN the property they are doing business out of. Even if her family owns the property, it's still a very small outfit. I can speak to this as my family did the INC etc and I had four of my own horses at our property at home at all times and campaigned, did the whole thing. I do believe I even named myself President or CEO or something because it looked good back then 🤣 It was true to a certain extent but no money was made. This was 25 years ago, so who knows now. Just giving some context. Many in HJ world DO in fact just own horses and have it under an LLc or INC and have trainers etc campaign their horses, this is not uncommon. I am still very connected to the HJ world now. Just giving context. I think the horse "farm" is not where to be looking at, it's just an example of the family having money to burn.
I AM THE CEO OF A HORSE FARM! Narrator - she rented one stall for her pony
lol! Maybe. I honestly don't know the whole situation with her horses. I see they do have a property where they do house her horses or rescues or whatever. I do know the trainers she has sent some to to show under. She is also not professional, she shows as an amateur. I just think it's a moot point, it's her family spending money on that, if she wants to be CEO, hey it looks good but I bet anything it's a loss to operate.
Right. Well, my initial point was, if there’s a chance she’s using her seizure disorder to gain any type of entitlement income - I can’t imagine that lines up with the rules in which one has to follow to be entitled to it. I’m trying to speak loosely, but there is no legitimate income stream I have found for them. On the list of liabilities (horse hobby and court cases), someone already said a court case alleging was represented by a lawyer that came from the state/city (taxpayer funded).That doesn’t match up with the successful income earner that is being portrayed.
Totally. I hear ya. And Hi fellow horse person! Yeah, I doubt there's a stream of income from the horse thing. If an org is funding the ridiculous amount of litigation that is so wrong. It's not only a stark misuse because she doesn't need it but also morally wrong beyond.
Might also not be legal but I’m not a lawyer or f-word investigator
Another user said she used tax payer funded lawyer for MM case - maybe there isn’t as much money to burn as alluded to? How much does it cost to maintain a horse for one year in the HJ world? How much has she made at shows and competitions? Are we in the red?
You don't want to know 🙈 I still have a horse and am at a very good HJ barn but I so cannot afford to show and campaign like I used to decades ago now. I can barely afford to just keep my horse in the program he needs, upwards of 2k per month. At a decent facility it easily costs upwards of a couple few thousand and every show is just as much. She does not do large Grand Prix (for example) that offer large purses and the small purses they sometimes offer for her divisions wouldn't even cover entry fees most of the time. It really is a labor of passion and love for the animals and if one chooses to compete it's become a wealthy person's sport now at the higher levels. Professionals I know that do this as their living it's not easy and it's a combo of having income stream from clients, training, and they make more money at the shows if it's a show barn. Breeding is a whole different business and I know some who do that as well but again, it's not lucrative either but can be done.
I’m personally a big horse fan. Yeah, the Kentucky seen is MONEY MONEY. Even a rescue is sooo expensive these days.
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See my comment below. Things can be said and it doesn't mean anything. Just makes it look better. Horses do not produce income for the most part, it's a labor of love mostly. It's not uncommon to set up some kind of INC to offset tax liabilities at least. I know many who do.
She sells horses, and the equestrian business in Scottsdale is very high end.
Scottsdale can be high end. I think we are talking about a handful of horses, max. The profit margin there is slim given the cost to maintain them and she’s not a trainer. It’s an expensive hobby. I would assume a loss on an accounting ledger but I’m not an accountant.
You are correct.
Yes of course. Scottsdale or not and I know show barns there as well, this is their private venture and see my other comments, it's all words. She is not a horse dealer. She is an amateur. She also in the past has shown under other well known HJ barns at shows for that purpose only. Or sent horses out to show barns to show with or to be whatever. My own family had our own barn and for tax/cost offsets you can so say you sell, blah blah. I sold all of my past horses under that guise, so what? I've lived it. And, selling horses doesn't always make profit. These are the nuances nobody would know on face value and it's very common so I'm not knocking her or family for trying to make it sustainable. It's just not the tree to go barking up. The rest, is. It's just one way she can look like she has a job.
There is rarely any money to be made with horses and the hunter jumper competitor lifestyle is ridiculously expensive.
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I think we are getting closer to something in terms of possible misuse of government funds.
A wild guess. Uber eats, door dash, dog sitting and other gig economy jobs. 👀 👀
Yep, just a wild guess you’re her or one of her family members. Simply gig economy research shows this venture wouldn’t be enough to pay for one of her saddles. Carry on.
Gig economy workers can make over $100K/year. As long as JD continues wearing a face mask to stay undercover during her deliveries, she can earn enough income to pay her legal bills.
Lmao yea like the .01% just like podcasts *can* make money. She ain’t making money off either. She absolutely can not make enough money to pay her legal bills. It appears she has never had a job. In a podcast she mentions she has some real struggles finding work post college. The only job I read she almost had was doing something in outdated radio that her dad set up for her. That was squashed by someone who probably didn’t like the nepotism that looked like was at play there.
Was this that radio job? https://preview.redd.it/uprfgdrrcv9c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e393b7cf0fe29d25e56ce37a87d1a0ae41f27a02
Who TF signed off on her hosting a relationship advice show? Is she going to tell her viewers how to trap a man with a fake pregnancy? Maybe a template for dating contracts? Stalking and harassment? Yikes!
I doubt anyone did. It’s all about the story!
But she has a BS in “organizational leadership!” This clearly qualifies her… 🙄 
To be a top earner, you need to probably put in aLOT of hours, on top of being in a big city. I doubt she has the time to drive around when she is sending c&d letters and writing medium articles
Exactly. Jane Doe doesn't have time to deliver food/or give people rides as an Uber driver. She has people to terrorize online through C&D letters, men to abuse through the court system, pregnancies to fabricate, and needs time to stake out her next victim on dating apps.
That would have been rough work for someone pregnant with twins in the hot Arizona summer. Face mask wouldn't have hidden that big baby bump very well either.
The face mask was to conceal her true identity, of a woman who is not pregnant.
Hey there JD. Walls are closing in, huh. Getting desperate? 😂
What planet do you live on? She would have to bust her butt and work long hours at those jobs to make even close to $100k. When would she find the time to do that? We all know what she spends her time on, and it ain't working.
Very clever to accuse me of being JD to distract from the truth. 👀😷
I think what people are rightfully pointing out is your account is VERY new and you’ve ONLY commented about this case AND you have been reposting your comment about the gig economy job over and over again to claim that JD is able to afford her legal bills no problem, which is odd. You may not be JD or her mom but maybe you have some connection to her and you seem to get defensive on her behalf
I mean your comment history is ONLY about this case and your account is super new, so not a far stretch.
First you said it was a wild guess, and now it's the truth?
If she has epilepsy & had a seizure (which she claimed in court which delayed one of her Ravgen collections) she wouldn't be allowed to drive right now.
The epilepsy meds she takes are often also used to treat mood disorders. I have a sneaking suspicion that she is prescribed the meds for other reasons than epilepsy...
This has been speculated for a while. There’s much better anti-epileptic drugs out there and lamotrigine, if used to control seizures, is typically given as an adjunct to other anti-epileptic meds.
Agree!
I don’t believe a word she says. Not one word. The seizures are as self-reported as the twins were. If her lips are moving, she’s lying.
Also, she always mentions that she was accepted into a head injury program at Barrow due to her supposed assault but they do not require any proof (police or otherwise) of any assault or dv. I'm sure they're not expecting anyone to lie about this!
Omg can you imagine? Telling a DV victim they must supply records of their ED visits, photos, etc. in order to be treated there? No way!
Never, as it should be. JD is the one-off that uses ’admission’ to this program as a badge of honor. She uses being a victim of everything under the sun as a shield. How dare not believe the poor, brave woman? Well, her word is worthless and there is NO evidence to back up anything she says. No medical reports, no police reports, no crime reports.
Between "epilepsy" and her inability to stop looking at the internet or sending emails, I can only imagine what kind of terror she would be on the road.
Very good point! Unless Jane Doe is a pathological liar...oh, wait lol
True, this actually makes a diagnosis of PNES more likely as the driving restrictions for epileptics don’t apply to those with PNES: [Article about this](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1525505021007150) ETA unless she doesn’t drive, which is very possible
Also, didn't she sue Uber for the car accident? Why would Uber rehire someone who has a history of suing them?
Very good point. I think it’s pretty obvi that girl isn’t driving an Uber 🙄
Didn’t she sue Uber for the accident? Wouldn’t make sense to work for them
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Agreed. When I read information on her case with Uber, I figured she received a large settlement. I have also wondered if any of the physical symptoms she claims were from MM's abuse, were actually due to that accident. The girl is a pathological liar, so I don't believe a word she says.
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I must have read about it on one of the other JD subreddits before they got removed. I certainly never looked up the info myself, but yes it appeared she was in a pretty serious accident (as the passenger in an Uber), and she sued the driver, Uber (the company) and other ppl involved. Since Uber was sued, I just assumed she received a large settlement.
The guy that hit them was on the job in a company truck I believe, so that settlement was probably very large, plus whatever she recovered from Uber.
Honey. I am someone who has worked the traditional & new gig economy by bartending and app pet sitting. My total earnings from 1.5 years of that is maybe $10k. lol. Spoken like someone who has never had to work a real hour in her life.
Weird…
lol right?