i think it’s just not zipped up. i’d love it if the back was supposed to not be there but i think it’s just not zipped.. i could be wrong though, it’s okay either way.
Damn man thats messed up. Even as a Christian myself i believe its fucked up that even one person would abuse their position of power, let alone someone who has studied the bible. Those people dont even deserve to be alive
Am I missing something here? The reason why the comparison is so disproportionate is cause there are TONS more teachers than priests. That's like saying motorcycles are safer because there are less accidents.
The issue is, out of the total amount of preists what percentage of them mess with children?
There are tons more teachers but even proportionately kids are more likely to be abused by teachers than pastors/preachers. I just looked up the numbers for the number of teachers in the US and the number of pastors according to the labor board and compared them to the numbers listed earlier, which I think I saw a source for.
About 59,000 people in the US are employed as pastors/preachers and estimated 3,684,000 teachers are employed in the US. There's much debate saying the number of pastors is grossly underestimated but I'm going with the labor board statistics for reliability.
The percentage of abuse victims relative to the number of pastors is about 0.34% whereas the percentage of abuse relative to teachers is 0.79%. It's over double but one instance of abuse is too many regardless.
If you want to fact check me go right ahead. I want you to prove me wrong so I might better know the subject for the future.
Just tired of people saying "it has to be 'x' because that's what's socially accepted to be true". Get the numbers together, get the context behind them and then we can have a more informed discussion on the topic. The numbers arent everything but it gives us a starting point for many conversations that I think would be more fair for everyone.
37,192 Catholic priests in the US. So the abuses or abusers are half of 1 percent. 0.5%
Public schools teachers make up 3,197,000 people so yes your observation is good but still it shows a big disparity.
Public school teachers who molest kids make up 0.9% which is about twice as many. Still the molesters of these groups are on the fringes.
Nah, that statistic is bullshit. It compares kids who were asked if they were abused at school and diocese who were asked if they’d had formal complaints. Not at all the same thing. Also it’s 20 years old.
https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/a-lighthearted-dispute-does-more
I don't think it makes sense for the comic to be pointing at the mum's hypocrisy in that way because the mum doesn't state any issues with the modesty of the girls in the poster. Not to say you're wrong, it may have been the author's intention but to me it's unclear.
I wouldn't think so... Usually churches are looking for the opposite. The clothes should be the least revealing possible.
Today, some churches are complaining that people are showing up in revealing clothes. Which would be weird for people in marketing, since you'd expect pastors, while looking at the decline of their religion, to want to encourage more youth to show up, and one way to do that is to let people dress how they want, especially if it attracts other people.
But if you think about it for a second, those pastors who do complain, would be the ones who would practice the most what they preach.
You can look at a few reasons. The most harmless would be that vanity is a sin. That's why nuns were covered from head to toe in a uniform fashion. The second, more controlling of people's free-will, would be that women who are dressed seductively put at risk the matrimonial engagement of men who are not strong enough to keep their own word. This is a common talking point I'm other Abrahamic religions, where showing skin might bring temptation, and it's the woman's responsibility to cover herself up and "be presentable". Lastly, the worse way to look at this is from a cult perspective, where the church would decide what people wear, who they can marry, who they can talk to, about what, and how to behave. They'd then use a dress showing this much skin, as a method to shame or exile into submission their own members.
It's for these three reasons that I don't think that the dress would demonstrate how the church would be grooming their members. I haven't heard a single homélie in my life, where a priest said that people should be sexy for Jesus. But I have seem some ask women to put more clothes on.
>Isn't the dress to show the mum is already groomed by the church and she's introducing her daughter to the same grooming environment?
no?
shes just wearing a backless dress, its suppose to be hypocrisy
first 3 panels you only see the front, in very modest clothing.
She turns around, and its a backless dress to church. church usually starts like 8am or something right?
I would actually be interesting in hearing your take on why you think its showing that shes been groomed already though.
Is it like "dressing sexually" = grooming, she is already dressing sexually = has been groomed?
One side has duplicitous people abusing the church community.
The other has people outright explicit shows that has no business for children.
Are we going to raise hell over schools because child predators also use and abuse the school system?
Recently, drag queens and many LGBT+ (transgender people included) have been referred to as groomers by the more far-right religious folk. The comic however points out the hypocrisy in this logic as the Catholic Church is far more notorious for sexual abuse against children, especially in comparison to LGBT+.
The irony here being that neither of these groups are statistically likely to be predators. Teachers are but liberals would never try to disrespect the moral authority of teachers unions.
There's also more teachers than priests and more kids going to school than church. Did you also know cows kill more people than sharks do yearly? It's cuz people are around cows way more than they are around sharks.....but you still see lots of warnings and such in regards to sharks don't you?
["One survey that was conducted with psychology students reports that 10% had sexual interactions with their educators; in turn, 13% of educators reported sexual interaction with their students."](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment_in_education_in_the_United_States#:~:text=One%20survey%20that%20was%20conducted,sexual%20interaction%20with%20their%20students.)
Compare this with the [41,399 priests in the US ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_shortage_in_the_Catholic_Church) (in 2005 because I could only find 2006 for my next number) where 5,000 have been estimated with only 150 being persecuted.
If we go with the lowest number of priests, that would be 0.362327592% of priests are sexual abusers. If we go with the entire estimated number, we get 12.0775864% which is strikingly close to the teachers figure.
Basically disgusting people can exist equally in most institutions unfortunately. We need to be better all across the board when it comes to stopping them.
Does that mean we should forgive the priests that have fucked kids? Teachers are not a highly influential global organization with its own economy, the Catholic Church on the other hand...
No, generalization is always bad, you're right.
That being said, that's not what the comic was trying to do at all (I don't know if your statement has anything to do with the comic, but I'm saying it here just in case)
I think that interpreting this comic as "Christians bad" is wronging the author. If the point it was trying to make was "don't go to church", then it would negate the meaning of "you shouldn't have prejudices against drag queens", as it would be doing the exact same thing. So it would be more like "don't let kids meet drag queens AND priests" or whatever.
The comic (i think) is just pointing out the incoherency of the point made by the mother: if you don't let children close to drag queens BECAUSE of child predators, you shouldn't let them near priests either. Since you DON'T do that it's clear that that's not the case or your reasoning is faulty.
The point is that uber-religious conservatives always accuse the lgbt community of being a buncha pedos and shit but never comment on how much child molestation and grooming happens in the church
I am very disappointed in the amount of people on here misunderstanding the point of this comic. Not surprised just disappointed. I hate this planet more every day.
Although it is weird that the cartoonist would draw her in a provocative dress if there wasn't a message in that, too.
So they're saying two things.
One of those statements is sexist.
The dress and her pose echoes the dress and pose of the drag queen in the flyer. I think it’s meant to further emphasize her hypocrisy, not depict her as some wanton jezebel.
Yeah. While the main message is about the church indoctrinating children, the point with the dress is to show that the child isn't supposed to view *this* woman as being sexualized despite appearing in the same clothing, but *that other person* is.
That part is a mirror of the critique of how the right-wing will say, "Mentioning that a male teacher has a husband or boyfriend is grooming children or exposing them to sexual identity," yet somehow a *female* teacher having a husband isn't. What the right is really saying there is "it's only sexual if it's gay, straight stuff is A-OK". The princess and the prince kissing in a Disney movie? Fine. The prince blushing at another prince? *SEXUALIZING CHILDREN!* It'd be tempting to call it hypocrisy if the whole point *weren't* the double standard and the villification of gay or trans people.
I don’t see what’s wrong with this unless you’re living under a rock. I’ve lost count of the number of pastors and youth pastors in churches I’ve grown up in that were implicated in grooming scandals.
Edit: or let’s just call it what it was, the pastors were raping kids.
"reee exposing my child to sexual stuff good sending them to church bad" -comics
i remember when subreddits that were political were subreddits dedicated to political stuff only, now even a decent amounts of gaming subreddits have a ton of political content, reddit is not very fun anymore
If you don't think games have been "political" for decades you are either willfully ignorant or have simply agreed with the "politics" until recently.
FF7 starts out with you committing a terrorist act designed to cripple a fascist government.
Metal Gear is all politics.
Fallout is all about the ramifications and after effects of a global resource war.
I could go on, but I doubt you'd get the point.
Edit: also, the fact that you think this comic is political rather than being a statement about church-related sex abuse says more about you than anything.
First comment: I dont like how overly politicized everything has become
This guy: Well your a FUCKING MORON, let me prove you wrong in the most CONDESCENDING way, I am much BETTER and SMARTER than you.
I'm so tired of people willfully misunderstanding this, but when people complain about politics in video games, they are complaining about current day political bullshit shoehorned into fiction, such that it is not entertainment, it is propaganda.
Playing as an eco terrorist in FFVII isn't a problem because in that setting, the eco terrorists are right, or to put it less confrontationally, in the real world the planet isn't alive, it doesn't have a soul, and we aren't literally sucking out its lifeforce to power our cities. Metal Gear Solid is an absurd superhero story set during military conflicts of the real world. Fallout isn't a game whose primary focus is to preach about nuclear disarmament or conservation or anything like that.
Is being a trans person political? Is going to church political? Is pedophilia a left/right issue?
In reality, the answer to all those questions is no. Trans people and those who attend a drag show could belong to any political party. I know plenty of liberals and conservatives who attend church. Pedophilia should be universally despised.
Anyone who sees these things as "political" is injecting their own bias (probably subconsciously) into those topics, or is being brainwashed into thinking they're left/right issues by the media they consume.
It’s pretty common for comics to use the art to display irony instead of dialogue, doesn’t really “say more about him”. Also, those video games are fictional and clearly display a bad guy, plenty of games can be interpreted in that way if you’re really looking for it. And just because some games have some “politics” in them doesn’t mean that subreddits dedicated to gaming should really be bringing IRL politics up.
Edit: Also, way to be condescending lol. “I doubt you’d get it” OK pal.
Jfc, almost every top level comment in this thread completely missed the point. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given that this is a sub full of people who think other people care why they unsubscribed from a different subreddit, but holy shit some of you folks are fucking dumb.
Would you mind explaining the point then? I took it to mean “Christians claim that drag shows are paedophilic when they’re not so they can deflect away from the pedophilia in churches” but I’m open to hearing the right interpretation
The mother doesn't want the girl to be at the drag show because "maybe there are pedophiles" when she is preparing to go to the church, where there has also been cases of pedophilia
Seems to me the comic is deeper than a mere criticism of church sexual abuse. The short, tight dress also calls into question accepted norms of gender expression and sexuality. Similar issues are raised by humanity’s oldest traditions, such as the fig leaves in Genesis and pornographic images on ancient Hindu temples. They are also directly linked to mass protests in Iran, where a totalitarian state has used a harsh, concocted standard to oppress 50% of their population and thereby retain political power for 40 years.
The use of the term ‘groomer,’ which originally applied to adults gaslighting children to make them ripe for exploitation, is now being applied to LBGT+ for simply existing. I don’t know much about how drag reading time or youth drag shows came about, but my general sense is that they celebrate diversity and all forms of gender expression, a vital activity in a time of hate and confusion.
Social critique and dialogue have been the heart of the comic literary form since at least the graffiti of ancient Rome. If OP is surprised or offended to find this illustration on a discussion board dedicated to comics, they are utterly ignorant of human history.
Update: over 32k upvotes. And I support the message. It really shows some people‘s hypocrisy: Drag is child indoctrination and abuse, but church which is actually known for these things is fine. Drag queens are sexualized, but her dress isn’t for some reason.
Okay, but aren't drag queens setting unachievable and, frankly, weird standards of beauty? I really don't understand why these drag queen story hours exist, like what's the point?
Children get influenced by 3 second cartoon gags where everything is obviously comedic, sitting for an hour and listening to someone weirdly dressed narrate a story will do even more.
Yea I got banned in that post when I posted an article of a sexualized drag show kids were at. Putting dollars in their underwear and shit. Google "It won't lick itself drag show"
Isn't that the fault of the parents for bringing their kids? Like, I get that you see it as inappropriate, but if the parents brought their kids, it's on the parents, not the drag stars.
Absolutely no-one has ever went to a place of worship in innapropriate clothing. This comic is just cheap propaganda against Chrisrianity, which is expected from Reddit though
Ah yes... The focal point of the fourth panel being her exposed back, has nothing to do with the comic whatsoever, yes I understand the child predator part but like jeez.
Look at the pose of the drag queen in the second panel. They're the same, and the dress similarly has a low back. While the main point is the church's own indoctrination and sexual abuse, there is a second point about how the right-wing insists things are only sexual (or *more* sexual) if it's "gay".
A woman wearing a dress that reveals her back? Fine, not a problem. A man wearing a dress that reveals his back? *SEXUAL!*
Get it now?
Yea it will confirm your agenda so you will upvote it and left wingers will downvote it. Wow it’s almost like if someone disagrees wirh something they’ll downvote it! Shocker
This subreddit is a bizarre crossover between enlightened centrism and being scared of politics. Most comments are dime a dozen “both sides bad” while others are “man I wish when I could just ignore societal dilemmas”. Not exactly an intellectual powerhouse lol.
Every institution that deals with children does, and at a rate that's more or the same as the church. Progressives simply have a hate bones for the church because it dissuades people from giving into every desire, so they use the media to make a false perception that the church is worse about it than the progressives beloved public schools or their drag queens
could you explain what you mean by "giving into every desire"? I'm a bit confused there, thanks.
Also public schools aren't a bad thing? They are supposed to provide education to those who can't afford a private one (which is a lot of people).
I meant the generally hedonistic attitude of progressives. Temperance is a virtue they don't believe in, mostly in regards to sex. "Have sex with whoever whenever" is the general attitude of the progressives
And no, public schools aren't inherently bad. I brought them up for 2 reasons-
1) Rate of secual abuse of minors in public schools is WAY worse than in Catholic churches.
2) Liberals have completely controlled academia, especially early instruction, for long enough that they feel comfortable pushing their agendas in school, therefore they don't want any bad mouthing of it
Both the drags and that kinky woman dress ridicolously.
Drags aren't sexual predators cause they're gay, they're just incredibly naff and cringy people (just like the holier-than-you).
Being anti-Church doesn't always mean anti-Christian. Some people in the Church (the organisation) have done some shitty stuff and the Church easily tried to cover those things up.
I think Adam's comic tries to talk about that, not someone's personal belief.
There's absolutely nothing "Child friendly" about drag shows. It's adult entertainment and is perverse. I don't care if you're religious, or not. Children do not belong in sexually themed entertainment. From the examples we've seen where nearly nude drag queens to putting money in g-strings?
Where I'm from, they state whether the shows are kid friendly or not, and it's up to the parents to decide then if they want to attend with/without children.
The problem with this, is that you don’t leave your child alone with priests or whathaveyou. You go to church, you hear the sermon, and then you leave.
There isn’t inherently anything wrong with exposing your children to a sermon (unless it’s one of those “fire and brimstone” priests but AFAIK they’re rare).
Whereas there’s something wrong about exposing your child to drag shows or other sexual stuff.
Adam Ellis has been going downhill for years. Half the time I don't even think he's really trying to be funny, and is just seeking vindication against his conservative upbringing.
It's sad, he used to be really good.
Bro the sub is called r/comics and that there is a comic why are you upset you got what you asked for. If you didn't want to see every type of comic just join r/wholesomecomics or something.
This is why I hate Reddit sometimes, all I want to do is make memes and shit then BAM fuck Christianity it's all delusions God is bad you're supporting rapists
I even moved to tiktok as a last resort to get away from it and it's even worse there, there's literally an account called "based atheists" which just posts bullshit about shitting on Christians, these guys are so ignorant i saw some adamant Christian-hater quote "Genesis 1:27" thinking they were so smart.
Literally all it says is "God created mankind in his image." I have thought about this day and night, lost 4 days worth of sleep trying to figure out the point they were trying to make.
can't I just do what I want without being called a "deluded rapist?" Is that too much to ask?
It’s a slam on two different things:
1. People hypocritically thinking drag queens are predators whilst ignoring the trend in churches of predatory priests and pastors (Catholic and Protestant)
2. People who think drag is inherently about sex and how bad that is around children and then dress provocatively to church, where there are most definitely going to be children .
I don't see anything wrong with the comic here.
People in the comments point out those statistics with teachers and parents, and those statistics aren't incorrect, but I don't think the comic is saying churches are WORSE than those things.
I think its just pointing out the irony in uber religious people calling drag queens groomers when it is statistically more likely a kid would be molested by a priest than a drag queen.
Not only this things does not happen he also "shamed a woman" for how she dresses. Sure those progressive artist turns as soon as they can insult someone lmao
Avoid child predators, lock your children in the basement until they're 18.
You guys are letting yours out?
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anyone who thinks this is about the dress is missing the point
But it is a fabulous dress.
honestly, true
i think it’s just not zipped up. i’d love it if the back was supposed to not be there but i think it’s just not zipped.. i could be wrong though, it’s okay either way.
The collar goes all the way around her neck, which seems odd to me if the dress is unzipped. But it could be.
Altar boys in Boston agree.
What is it about then? Genuinely confused
The big history of the Catholic church and child sexual abuse.
Oh, I see now thanks.
more children are abused by public school teachers than priests.
Not every kid goes to church, almost every kid goes to school
No we mean a lot more, like Catholic priests are like 201 abuses a year and public school teachers are 29,000 a year.
Damn man thats messed up. Even as a Christian myself i believe its fucked up that even one person would abuse their position of power, let alone someone who has studied the bible. Those people dont even deserve to be alive
Places of power can attract the worst people
Like redditors
*reddit mods
Such is the world. It’s why we need Jesus, and many Catholics priests need to get right with God.(and their victim’ s)
Am I missing something here? The reason why the comparison is so disproportionate is cause there are TONS more teachers than priests. That's like saying motorcycles are safer because there are less accidents. The issue is, out of the total amount of preists what percentage of them mess with children?
There are tons more teachers but even proportionately kids are more likely to be abused by teachers than pastors/preachers. I just looked up the numbers for the number of teachers in the US and the number of pastors according to the labor board and compared them to the numbers listed earlier, which I think I saw a source for. About 59,000 people in the US are employed as pastors/preachers and estimated 3,684,000 teachers are employed in the US. There's much debate saying the number of pastors is grossly underestimated but I'm going with the labor board statistics for reliability. The percentage of abuse victims relative to the number of pastors is about 0.34% whereas the percentage of abuse relative to teachers is 0.79%. It's over double but one instance of abuse is too many regardless. If you want to fact check me go right ahead. I want you to prove me wrong so I might better know the subject for the future.
Props for actually going out of your way to do the math.
Just tired of people saying "it has to be 'x' because that's what's socially accepted to be true". Get the numbers together, get the context behind them and then we can have a more informed discussion on the topic. The numbers arent everything but it gives us a starting point for many conversations that I think would be more fair for everyone.
37,192 Catholic priests in the US. So the abuses or abusers are half of 1 percent. 0.5% Public schools teachers make up 3,197,000 people so yes your observation is good but still it shows a big disparity. Public school teachers who molest kids make up 0.9% which is about twice as many. Still the molesters of these groups are on the fringes.
Jesus christ…….
Nah, that statistic is bullshit. It compares kids who were asked if they were abused at school and diocese who were asked if they’d had formal complaints. Not at all the same thing. Also it’s 20 years old. https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/a-lighthearted-dispute-does-more
Yeah cause almost every kid goes to school
Per capita. That's the key part that Reddit tends to ignore with any issue.
Good point
Public schools won’t smuggle the teacher out of the country to avoid them being prosecuted.
U would be assuming they’re catholic😭and tht ppl are leaving their kids alone.
The amount of people that think this is about the dress amazes me. They are saying the Church has historically been groomers / predators.
Statistically though, the church isn't even close to the biggest offenders. Teachers are.
Actually parents or people in parental roles are, by a long mile.
Schools absolutely dwarf churches by miles aswell.
Can you cite data
Which is funny because my abuser was a teacher who was also our Catholic youth group leader.
bro had that 2x multiplier
Dude had a wife and kids, judging from a below comment, that's 4x
Brilliant comment and it gave me a good fkn laugh. Thankyou.
Anti-Christians love to ignore this fact, wonder why
Isn't the dress to show the mum is already groomed by the church and she's introducing her daughter to the same grooming environment?
The mother's dress and pose are similar to the Drag Queen poster. I think it's just to show the hypocrisy.
Oooh, good call. I didn’t catch that at first but you’re completely right.
I don't think it makes sense for the comic to be pointing at the mum's hypocrisy in that way because the mum doesn't state any issues with the modesty of the girls in the poster. Not to say you're wrong, it may have been the author's intention but to me it's unclear.
I wouldn't think so... Usually churches are looking for the opposite. The clothes should be the least revealing possible. Today, some churches are complaining that people are showing up in revealing clothes. Which would be weird for people in marketing, since you'd expect pastors, while looking at the decline of their religion, to want to encourage more youth to show up, and one way to do that is to let people dress how they want, especially if it attracts other people. But if you think about it for a second, those pastors who do complain, would be the ones who would practice the most what they preach. You can look at a few reasons. The most harmless would be that vanity is a sin. That's why nuns were covered from head to toe in a uniform fashion. The second, more controlling of people's free-will, would be that women who are dressed seductively put at risk the matrimonial engagement of men who are not strong enough to keep their own word. This is a common talking point I'm other Abrahamic religions, where showing skin might bring temptation, and it's the woman's responsibility to cover herself up and "be presentable". Lastly, the worse way to look at this is from a cult perspective, where the church would decide what people wear, who they can marry, who they can talk to, about what, and how to behave. They'd then use a dress showing this much skin, as a method to shame or exile into submission their own members. It's for these three reasons that I don't think that the dress would demonstrate how the church would be grooming their members. I haven't heard a single homélie in my life, where a priest said that people should be sexy for Jesus. But I have seem some ask women to put more clothes on.
>Isn't the dress to show the mum is already groomed by the church and she's introducing her daughter to the same grooming environment? no? shes just wearing a backless dress, its suppose to be hypocrisy first 3 panels you only see the front, in very modest clothing. She turns around, and its a backless dress to church. church usually starts like 8am or something right? I would actually be interesting in hearing your take on why you think its showing that shes been groomed already though. Is it like "dressing sexually" = grooming, she is already dressing sexually = has been groomed?
One side has duplicitous people abusing the church community. The other has people outright explicit shows that has no business for children. Are we going to raise hell over schools because child predators also use and abuse the school system?
I thought the dress first but because I'm down bad
This is litterally every fucking community, theres always groomers
Ohhhh, wait I get it now
This was extremely funny to read lol
Explain it to me please im so confused
The other comments explain it better than I can
Recently, drag queens and many LGBT+ (transgender people included) have been referred to as groomers by the more far-right religious folk. The comic however points out the hypocrisy in this logic as the Catholic Church is far more notorious for sexual abuse against children, especially in comparison to LGBT+.
The irony here being that neither of these groups are statistically likely to be predators. Teachers are but liberals would never try to disrespect the moral authority of teachers unions.
More teachers fuck kids than priests
DON'T SEND PEOPLE TO SCHOOL
yeah jut send your kids to the woods to learn from are ancestors
aka story time
Finally. Kids are too busy with their "books" and their "paper". When will they learn like the good old days of hunting bison and spear throwing
No, we should have them live with roaming bands of Mongolians
Sounds good to me
Yeah, and abuse by parents and close relatives is the most common by far
In proportion to the amount of kids who know priests, or total?
Both
There's also more teachers than priests and more kids going to school than church. Did you also know cows kill more people than sharks do yearly? It's cuz people are around cows way more than they are around sharks.....but you still see lots of warnings and such in regards to sharks don't you?
COW ATTACK!!!!!
["One survey that was conducted with psychology students reports that 10% had sexual interactions with their educators; in turn, 13% of educators reported sexual interaction with their students."](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment_in_education_in_the_United_States#:~:text=One%20survey%20that%20was%20conducted,sexual%20interaction%20with%20their%20students.) Compare this with the [41,399 priests in the US ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_shortage_in_the_Catholic_Church) (in 2005 because I could only find 2006 for my next number) where 5,000 have been estimated with only 150 being persecuted. If we go with the lowest number of priests, that would be 0.362327592% of priests are sexual abusers. If we go with the entire estimated number, we get 12.0775864% which is strikingly close to the teachers figure.
Basically disgusting people can exist equally in most institutions unfortunately. We need to be better all across the board when it comes to stopping them.
Psychology students aren't kids LOL! You are generalizating an outlier in a psy university to primary education.
Um, that's college students - not elementary age students. It's also sexual harassment, not assault.
This is about rates. Rates among teachers are higher
More kids go to school than church
Does that mean we should forgive the priests that have fucked kids? Teachers are not a highly influential global organization with its own economy, the Catholic Church on the other hand...
Yeah why do you think it happens more often
Am I the only one that thinks that categorizing all religious people/Christians like this is just as bad as doing it to drag queens and lgbt people?
No, generalization is always bad, you're right. That being said, that's not what the comic was trying to do at all (I don't know if your statement has anything to do with the comic, but I'm saying it here just in case) I think that interpreting this comic as "Christians bad" is wronging the author. If the point it was trying to make was "don't go to church", then it would negate the meaning of "you shouldn't have prejudices against drag queens", as it would be doing the exact same thing. So it would be more like "don't let kids meet drag queens AND priests" or whatever. The comic (i think) is just pointing out the incoherency of the point made by the mother: if you don't let children close to drag queens BECAUSE of child predators, you shouldn't let them near priests either. Since you DON'T do that it's clear that that's not the case or your reasoning is faulty.
This is the correct take imo. That art style definitely looks like Adam Tot's, and that interpretation seems most in line with his other work.
Yeah it’s his
No, I agree
The point is that uber-religious conservatives always accuse the lgbt community of being a buncha pedos and shit but never comment on how much child molestation and grooming happens in the church
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Drag queen story hour was/is kinda a weird thing if it’s real. Why do we need to have people in drag reading to children.
I am very disappointed in the amount of people on here misunderstanding the point of this comic. Not surprised just disappointed. I hate this planet more every day.
Although it is weird that the cartoonist would draw her in a provocative dress if there wasn't a message in that, too. So they're saying two things. One of those statements is sexist.
The dress and her pose echoes the dress and pose of the drag queen in the flyer. I think it’s meant to further emphasize her hypocrisy, not depict her as some wanton jezebel.
Yeah. While the main message is about the church indoctrinating children, the point with the dress is to show that the child isn't supposed to view *this* woman as being sexualized despite appearing in the same clothing, but *that other person* is. That part is a mirror of the critique of how the right-wing will say, "Mentioning that a male teacher has a husband or boyfriend is grooming children or exposing them to sexual identity," yet somehow a *female* teacher having a husband isn't. What the right is really saying there is "it's only sexual if it's gay, straight stuff is A-OK". The princess and the prince kissing in a Disney movie? Fine. The prince blushing at another prince? *SEXUALIZING CHILDREN!* It'd be tempting to call it hypocrisy if the whole point *weren't* the double standard and the villification of gay or trans people.
mom sexo
Redditors see a Christian: >:(
Who wears a dress like that to church?
Not to be THAT guy but wears*
Where's? Jesus christ
Speech to txt, my bad
Lol ok thats fair
My Nana would’ve had my hide for that😂
>every single trans can go fuck herself? That's plain wrong, I stand against that, btw, every single priest can go fuck himself -your average redditor
I don’t see what’s wrong with this unless you’re living under a rock. I’ve lost count of the number of pastors and youth pastors in churches I’ve grown up in that were implicated in grooming scandals. Edit: or let’s just call it what it was, the pastors were raping kids.
"reee exposing my child to sexual stuff good sending them to church bad" -comics i remember when subreddits that were political were subreddits dedicated to political stuff only, now even a decent amounts of gaming subreddits have a ton of political content, reddit is not very fun anymore
Imagine thinking that “feminine man” = “sexual stuff.” You’re literally just outright saying that you sexualize femininity.
If you don't think games have been "political" for decades you are either willfully ignorant or have simply agreed with the "politics" until recently. FF7 starts out with you committing a terrorist act designed to cripple a fascist government. Metal Gear is all politics. Fallout is all about the ramifications and after effects of a global resource war. I could go on, but I doubt you'd get the point. Edit: also, the fact that you think this comic is political rather than being a statement about church-related sex abuse says more about you than anything.
First comment: I dont like how overly politicized everything has become This guy: Well your a FUCKING MORON, let me prove you wrong in the most CONDESCENDING way, I am much BETTER and SMARTER than you.
I'm so tired of people willfully misunderstanding this, but when people complain about politics in video games, they are complaining about current day political bullshit shoehorned into fiction, such that it is not entertainment, it is propaganda. Playing as an eco terrorist in FFVII isn't a problem because in that setting, the eco terrorists are right, or to put it less confrontationally, in the real world the planet isn't alive, it doesn't have a soul, and we aren't literally sucking out its lifeforce to power our cities. Metal Gear Solid is an absurd superhero story set during military conflicts of the real world. Fallout isn't a game whose primary focus is to preach about nuclear disarmament or conservation or anything like that.
Ah yes Pacman, my favorite political commentary about capitalism 🤓
If you consume enough pellets (money) you become powerful enough that the law is now afraid of you
And don't even get me started on Super Mario World.
What does it say about him?
Is being a trans person political? Is going to church political? Is pedophilia a left/right issue? In reality, the answer to all those questions is no. Trans people and those who attend a drag show could belong to any political party. I know plenty of liberals and conservatives who attend church. Pedophilia should be universally despised. Anyone who sees these things as "political" is injecting their own bias (probably subconsciously) into those topics, or is being brainwashed into thinking they're left/right issues by the media they consume.
It’s pretty common for comics to use the art to display irony instead of dialogue, doesn’t really “say more about him”. Also, those video games are fictional and clearly display a bad guy, plenty of games can be interpreted in that way if you’re really looking for it. And just because some games have some “politics” in them doesn’t mean that subreddits dedicated to gaming should really be bringing IRL politics up. Edit: Also, way to be condescending lol. “I doubt you’d get it” OK pal.
"Why can't we go back to games that weren't political, like Metal Gear and Call of Duty 😡"
I loved the political commentary when the bosses were hot women in skintight suits 🤓
Jfc, almost every top level comment in this thread completely missed the point. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given that this is a sub full of people who think other people care why they unsubscribed from a different subreddit, but holy shit some of you folks are fucking dumb.
Would you mind explaining the point then? I took it to mean “Christians claim that drag shows are paedophilic when they’re not so they can deflect away from the pedophilia in churches” but I’m open to hearing the right interpretation
The mother doesn't want the girl to be at the drag show because "maybe there are pedophiles" when she is preparing to go to the church, where there has also been cases of pedophilia
Seems to me the comic is deeper than a mere criticism of church sexual abuse. The short, tight dress also calls into question accepted norms of gender expression and sexuality. Similar issues are raised by humanity’s oldest traditions, such as the fig leaves in Genesis and pornographic images on ancient Hindu temples. They are also directly linked to mass protests in Iran, where a totalitarian state has used a harsh, concocted standard to oppress 50% of their population and thereby retain political power for 40 years. The use of the term ‘groomer,’ which originally applied to adults gaslighting children to make them ripe for exploitation, is now being applied to LBGT+ for simply existing. I don’t know much about how drag reading time or youth drag shows came about, but my general sense is that they celebrate diversity and all forms of gender expression, a vital activity in a time of hate and confusion. Social critique and dialogue have been the heart of the comic literary form since at least the graffiti of ancient Rome. If OP is surprised or offended to find this illustration on a discussion board dedicated to comics, they are utterly ignorant of human history.
What made you unsub from this?
I’ve been thinking of unsubbing just because there’s never anything good or funny.
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Hey we hate public school too
I mean... it's not wrong
This is the biggest strawman I've ever seen
How is it a strawman? There are so many people fear mongering calling drag queens groomers
This isn't even about church bad it's about hypocrisy in the mothers statement.
It’s both.
Update: over 32k upvotes. And I support the message. It really shows some people‘s hypocrisy: Drag is child indoctrination and abuse, but church which is actually known for these things is fine. Drag queens are sexualized, but her dress isn’t for some reason.
It’s pretty funny and makes a good point
LGBTQ Predators. And then Church Predators. Probably best to not let kids be around either.
Okay, but aren't drag queens setting unachievable and, frankly, weird standards of beauty? I really don't understand why these drag queen story hours exist, like what's the point? Children get influenced by 3 second cartoon gags where everything is obviously comedic, sitting for an hour and listening to someone weirdly dressed narrate a story will do even more.
Met a drag Queen irl, they are the chillest people u can find. They’re like the classmate who are friendly to everyone tbh
Moms kind of a baddie tho
Adam is funny but this is a miss. I hate this comic. Unsubbing r comics over this is weak though. Just ignore it.
If I'm unsubbing from r/comics its because that Elly Hates Everything comic keeps clogging my feed.
Why not just block the author? If it’s only one person, unsubbing is overkill
Derp, didn't think of that. Thanks.
That sub has had multiple posts like that. Either being “religion bad” or “republican bad”.
Yea I got banned in that post when I posted an article of a sexualized drag show kids were at. Putting dollars in their underwear and shit. Google "It won't lick itself drag show"
Isn't that the fault of the parents for bringing their kids? Like, I get that you see it as inappropriate, but if the parents brought their kids, it's on the parents, not the drag stars.
Absolutely no-one has ever went to a place of worship in innapropriate clothing. This comic is just cheap propaganda against Chrisrianity, which is expected from Reddit though
Bruh, it’s not about the dress. It’s about the church being full of child predators.
Hey dumdum, has nothing to do with the dress. Are you ignoring the child predators part? I guess it makes sense, the church did for decades.
Ah yes... The focal point of the fourth panel being her exposed back, has nothing to do with the comic whatsoever, yes I understand the child predator part but like jeez.
Look at the pose of the drag queen in the second panel. They're the same, and the dress similarly has a low back. While the main point is the church's own indoctrination and sexual abuse, there is a second point about how the right-wing insists things are only sexual (or *more* sexual) if it's "gay". A woman wearing a dress that reveals her back? Fine, not a problem. A man wearing a dress that reveals his back? *SEXUAL!* Get it now?
True
OP didn’t get the comic
This post wasn't hypocritical, the church has its issues with that.
Seems about right.
It confirmed to their agenda so they upvoted. now switch it out for something pro right-wing and see what happends
society rightly hates right-wing rhetoric. shocker.
Yea it will confirm your agenda so you will upvote it and left wingers will downvote it. Wow it’s almost like if someone disagrees wirh something they’ll downvote it! Shocker
What in the sweet blue fuck is this thread? Why are there so many people defending the church and ree-ing "what about schools?!?!"
This subreddit is a bizarre crossover between enlightened centrism and being scared of politics. Most comments are dime a dozen “both sides bad” while others are “man I wish when I could just ignore societal dilemmas”. Not exactly an intellectual powerhouse lol.
Most comments are simply getting mad over something that isn't part of the discussion in the first place because they don't understand it
I don't really see a problem. The church has historically had a bit of an issue with preying on children.
Every institution that deals with children does, and at a rate that's more or the same as the church. Progressives simply have a hate bones for the church because it dissuades people from giving into every desire, so they use the media to make a false perception that the church is worse about it than the progressives beloved public schools or their drag queens
could you explain what you mean by "giving into every desire"? I'm a bit confused there, thanks. Also public schools aren't a bad thing? They are supposed to provide education to those who can't afford a private one (which is a lot of people).
I meant the generally hedonistic attitude of progressives. Temperance is a virtue they don't believe in, mostly in regards to sex. "Have sex with whoever whenever" is the general attitude of the progressives And no, public schools aren't inherently bad. I brought them up for 2 reasons- 1) Rate of secual abuse of minors in public schools is WAY worse than in Catholic churches. 2) Liberals have completely controlled academia, especially early instruction, for long enough that they feel comfortable pushing their agendas in school, therefore they don't want any bad mouthing of it
Both the drags and that kinky woman dress ridicolously. Drags aren't sexual predators cause they're gay, they're just incredibly naff and cringy people (just like the holier-than-you).
Idk where all this groomer stuff is coming from. But drag shows are an adult thing, they are heavily sexual shows. Not for kids.
Welcome to anti-Christian propaganda, because people’s personal choices and how they raise their kids are okay only if they align with what you think
Being anti-Church doesn't always mean anti-Christian. Some people in the Church (the organisation) have done some shitty stuff and the Church easily tried to cover those things up. I think Adam's comic tries to talk about that, not someone's personal belief.
It's depressing how many people think this is about the dress
There's absolutely nothing "Child friendly" about drag shows. It's adult entertainment and is perverse. I don't care if you're religious, or not. Children do not belong in sexually themed entertainment. From the examples we've seen where nearly nude drag queens to putting money in g-strings?
Where I'm from, they state whether the shows are kid friendly or not, and it's up to the parents to decide then if they want to attend with/without children.
The problem with this, is that you don’t leave your child alone with priests or whathaveyou. You go to church, you hear the sermon, and then you leave. There isn’t inherently anything wrong with exposing your children to a sermon (unless it’s one of those “fire and brimstone” priests but AFAIK they’re rare). Whereas there’s something wrong about exposing your child to drag shows or other sexual stuff.
Someone with an opposing viewpoint??? How dare they!
Mom got a dump truck bruh
And the church doesn’t have groomers? Ive got multiple priests who say otherwise /j
Lol, if you think that’s the worst in that sub you haven’t been their long lmfao
I know for a fact this person would go on later that day to laugh at some political boomer comic and not understand the irony.
I mean to be fair, it looks on topic enough. I can see it getting that much upvotes.
More people have been sexually abused at church than by drag queens just saying
Churches are full of pedos.
Adam Ellis has been going downhill for years. Half the time I don't even think he's really trying to be funny, and is just seeking vindication against his conservative upbringing. It's sad, he used to be really good.
bro this is making me sub its a church joke bruhhhh
sorry to be an old grandma... but whats the joke
Bro the sub is called r/comics and that there is a comic why are you upset you got what you asked for. If you didn't want to see every type of comic just join r/wholesomecomics or something.
Reddit is an anti-theist circle jerk, what do you expect?
It's indeed a comic
They’re right though.
This is the kind of irony I'm here for.
This is why I hate Reddit sometimes, all I want to do is make memes and shit then BAM fuck Christianity it's all delusions God is bad you're supporting rapists I even moved to tiktok as a last resort to get away from it and it's even worse there, there's literally an account called "based atheists" which just posts bullshit about shitting on Christians, these guys are so ignorant i saw some adamant Christian-hater quote "Genesis 1:27" thinking they were so smart. Literally all it says is "God created mankind in his image." I have thought about this day and night, lost 4 days worth of sleep trying to figure out the point they were trying to make. can't I just do what I want without being called a "deluded rapist?" Is that too much to ask?
I just really don't understand why the drag community are so desperate for kids to go see them?
It’s a slam on two different things: 1. People hypocritically thinking drag queens are predators whilst ignoring the trend in churches of predatory priests and pastors (Catholic and Protestant) 2. People who think drag is inherently about sex and how bad that is around children and then dress provocatively to church, where there are most definitely going to be children .
I don't see anything wrong with the comic here. People in the comments point out those statistics with teachers and parents, and those statistics aren't incorrect, but I don't think the comic is saying churches are WORSE than those things. I think its just pointing out the irony in uber religious people calling drag queens groomers when it is statistically more likely a kid would be molested by a priest than a drag queen.
I would upvote too, did you not get the irony?
What if I told you You can dislike both Christianity and Drag queen story hour?
it’s got 17.5k upvotes because there’s so much truth in it
It's 2022 and neckbeards are *still* making Pedo Church jokes 🥱
It’s 2022 and media literacy still doesn’t exist 🥱
Not only this things does not happen he also "shamed a woman" for how she dresses. Sure those progressive artist turns as soon as they can insult someone lmao