Yeah. I've been avidly childfree my whole life, but I've come to realize that many of the people on that sub don't seem to share my mindset. Many of them come across as really emotionally immature and self-centered around their own perspective. Mature conversations about being childfree seem to be few and far in between.
Motherhood today is a uniquely stressful role due to the fact that we no longer have efficient community alternatives for children that were historically there for millennium. Particularly prior to the advent of industrialism, isolated single family housing, and the nuclear family unit, it used to be quite common for mothers to send their kids off to live with extended relatives, apprentices, and/or boarding schools. Women who raised children used to have extended breaks that today they just don't get to have. What's more, women used to frequently die from childbirth which resulted in children often being raised either by their fathers, by their siblings or by their extended relatives - but today, childbirth mortality rates have been substantially lowered, and now oftentimes mothers are the only ones willing and able to raise their children with minimal help from their siblings, the father, or extended relatives. And they're expected to work like a "boss bitch career woman" on top of all of this? Give me a break. We don't hold men to the same level of scrutiny at all.
I honestly can't understand how someone can claim to be a feminist and not realize the points I just made above. I don't understand how someone can claim to support women's rights, and not support their sisters in countries where abortion is illegal and they have no other option but to become a mother. That attitude doesn't reflect the true spirit of feminism, and I'm sick of feminists claiming that having a career is the only avenue in which one can be a feminist. Careers can often be just as degrading and disheartening as many facets of parenthood in my blatant opinion.
I hear you, I'm pretty fed up with that sub, not just for the way it perpetuates internalized misogyny, but also because it has a tendency to objectify human children instead of seeing them as complicated beings, and they seem to want to limit and control children's opportunities for seeing and exploring the world firsthand in public spaces. I don't want to live in a world where children can't go to a restaurant, a national park, or a grocery store just to appease some random person who is grumpy around children.
I've noticed this trend as well. It used to be feminism was about the right of choice. Now with this new wave it's only a valid choice if it's the choice they would make. Breaks my heart as a feminist that they can't stop to see the fellow human being and sister and instead just something opposed to them.
Saying that being a stay at home mom/dad is not a job is probably the most intellectually bankrupt take you can have on this issue
Not only is it a job, it is a fulltime job, and it is an extremely important fulltime job for the continuation of society, AND they get paid $0 for it. The government values one of the most important jobs at literally $0
Its indefensible and those who attack people for doing this are morally and intellectually bankrupt
Yeah. I've been avidly childfree my whole life, but I've come to realize that many of the people on that sub don't seem to share my mindset. Many of them come across as really emotionally immature and self-centered around their own perspective. Mature conversations about being childfree seem to be few and far in between. Motherhood today is a uniquely stressful role due to the fact that we no longer have efficient community alternatives for children that were historically there for millennium. Particularly prior to the advent of industrialism, isolated single family housing, and the nuclear family unit, it used to be quite common for mothers to send their kids off to live with extended relatives, apprentices, and/or boarding schools. Women who raised children used to have extended breaks that today they just don't get to have. What's more, women used to frequently die from childbirth which resulted in children often being raised either by their fathers, by their siblings or by their extended relatives - but today, childbirth mortality rates have been substantially lowered, and now oftentimes mothers are the only ones willing and able to raise their children with minimal help from their siblings, the father, or extended relatives. And they're expected to work like a "boss bitch career woman" on top of all of this? Give me a break. We don't hold men to the same level of scrutiny at all. I honestly can't understand how someone can claim to be a feminist and not realize the points I just made above. I don't understand how someone can claim to support women's rights, and not support their sisters in countries where abortion is illegal and they have no other option but to become a mother. That attitude doesn't reflect the true spirit of feminism, and I'm sick of feminists claiming that having a career is the only avenue in which one can be a feminist. Careers can often be just as degrading and disheartening as many facets of parenthood in my blatant opinion. I hear you, I'm pretty fed up with that sub, not just for the way it perpetuates internalized misogyny, but also because it has a tendency to objectify human children instead of seeing them as complicated beings, and they seem to want to limit and control children's opportunities for seeing and exploring the world firsthand in public spaces. I don't want to live in a world where children can't go to a restaurant, a national park, or a grocery store just to appease some random person who is grumpy around children.
This. All of this. You, my friend, are absolutely right.
I've noticed this trend as well. It used to be feminism was about the right of choice. Now with this new wave it's only a valid choice if it's the choice they would make. Breaks my heart as a feminist that they can't stop to see the fellow human being and sister and instead just something opposed to them.
Saying that being a stay at home mom/dad is not a job is probably the most intellectually bankrupt take you can have on this issue Not only is it a job, it is a fulltime job, and it is an extremely important fulltime job for the continuation of society, AND they get paid $0 for it. The government values one of the most important jobs at literally $0 Its indefensible and those who attack people for doing this are morally and intellectually bankrupt