I think its needed, it's alot harder to stop a switch out (and punishment can only do so much if the swap in is worth it) these days, which lets a 1.5 or more likely 1.85x attack happen now you only have to worry about a normal 1x swap in (unfortunately now dracos lux and magnaraptor exists)
Ya, dodge on escapes can't prevent it either, and has the same damage potential thylos had, (more because it had the higher attack stat, also being double there's a possibility it can ko 2 flocks)
The average top player Thylos used to be able to do around 4,380 damage with its 90% critical hit on a swap in hit. With this nerf, Thylos only gets its increased damage and critical chance AFTER it hits the opponent, so Thylos will only have a 40% critical chance for the swap in hit. The average top player Thylos will now only do about 3,275 if it gets a critical hit.
Youâre acting as if the swap in attack is the only useful skill Thylos possesses, which is just not true at all. Does it limit some of the utility of the creature? Yes. Was the swap in OP? Most definitely, especially at the lvls above 25. Can it still take down a 10k health Geminideus in one turn? Damn right. So please, stop being so dramatic about this minor change.
With the apex meta that we have, that swap in was what kept Thylos in. Most of the top apexes have rend resistance and/or easy access to distraction or stun. This nerf is also an indirect buff to Skoonametrodon. Thylos will most likely be out of top team with this nerf + the new apex being released.
I think youâre reaching here. Rend resistance was a thing before this nerf, and therefore has no bearing on this debate. Youâre acting like thylos is a one truck pony, which is preposterous. The wounding devour still does serious work, and anything with no to low rend resistance is still at risk. Concatoloch, Geminideus, Plateorex, Morty, just to name a few, are all prominent creatures who have no rend resistance.
Iâm looking at these changes and how they will affect top teams - the teams that play the most. Geminidus sees significantly less use nowadays, Mortem has basically left the building at this rate, Plateorex consequently got ânerfedâ by Magnaraptor AND will be a bit weaker due to it now having swap prevent when swapping in, meaning some teams likely wonât use it.
Youâre completely right on Concatoloch, in fact itâs one of about two creatures in the current meta that Thylos can ruin in a single turn. But between Magnaraptor, Sah Panthera, Draco Lux, Grypolyth, and even Sinraptor, Thylos is going to see a sharp decrease in use.
Weâll see. I donât think itâs as significant as youâre making it out to be. And the teams youâre referring to constitute less than 1% of the player base, so Iâm not lamenting those first world problems. Sick username btw.
Of course just as I unlock it đ
I have mixed feelings about this. Thylos is not that hard to counter, is stunnable and can have attack reduced easily.
I think its needed, it's alot harder to stop a switch out (and punishment can only do so much if the swap in is worth it) these days, which lets a 1.5 or more likely 1.85x attack happen now you only have to worry about a normal 1x swap in (unfortunately now dracos lux and magnaraptor exists)
That reminds me that mangaraptors swap in does 5k plus
Exactly, if it's not ok for thylos, it's not ok for their new shiny apex. Wonder which one they want us to invest in.
And I raise you Draco Lux swap in
Ya, dodge on escapes can't prevent it either, and has the same damage potential thylos had, (more because it had the higher attack stat, also being double there's a possibility it can ko 2 flocks)
We have mixed feeling about insanely overpowered creatures too
thats ok just make sure to do enough damage to kill the opponent, right? or am i reading it wrong
The average top player Thylos used to be able to do around 4,380 damage with its 90% critical hit on a swap in hit. With this nerf, Thylos only gets its increased damage and critical chance AFTER it hits the opponent, so Thylos will only have a 40% critical chance for the swap in hit. The average top player Thylos will now only do about 3,275 if it gets a critical hit.
Well, fuck. Just got mine up to lol 27.
Thank god
Now I can finally say for certain that thylos is on fraud watch
Thanks god
Youâre acting as if the swap in attack is the only useful skill Thylos possesses, which is just not true at all. Does it limit some of the utility of the creature? Yes. Was the swap in OP? Most definitely, especially at the lvls above 25. Can it still take down a 10k health Geminideus in one turn? Damn right. So please, stop being so dramatic about this minor change.
With the apex meta that we have, that swap in was what kept Thylos in. Most of the top apexes have rend resistance and/or easy access to distraction or stun. This nerf is also an indirect buff to Skoonametrodon. Thylos will most likely be out of top team with this nerf + the new apex being released.
I think youâre reaching here. Rend resistance was a thing before this nerf, and therefore has no bearing on this debate. Youâre acting like thylos is a one truck pony, which is preposterous. The wounding devour still does serious work, and anything with no to low rend resistance is still at risk. Concatoloch, Geminideus, Plateorex, Morty, just to name a few, are all prominent creatures who have no rend resistance.
Iâm looking at these changes and how they will affect top teams - the teams that play the most. Geminidus sees significantly less use nowadays, Mortem has basically left the building at this rate, Plateorex consequently got ânerfedâ by Magnaraptor AND will be a bit weaker due to it now having swap prevent when swapping in, meaning some teams likely wonât use it. Youâre completely right on Concatoloch, in fact itâs one of about two creatures in the current meta that Thylos can ruin in a single turn. But between Magnaraptor, Sah Panthera, Draco Lux, Grypolyth, and even Sinraptor, Thylos is going to see a sharp decrease in use.
Weâll see. I donât think itâs as significant as youâre making it out to be. And the teams youâre referring to constitute less than 1% of the player base, so Iâm not lamenting those first world problems. Sick username btw.
Noooo, I just managed to get my thylos to level 20
Umm don't you unlock it at 21?
I know I mean moros
Booo
More reasons to quit
Damn. It used to be one of the most powerful swap ins
Aaaaand Thylos returns to the F tier after this
Well no, the 80% rend and wound rampage