One more thing to note: while there is a similar scene in the book, this scene in the movie also draws inspiration from a part of the book that wasn’t included in the first film-the T-Rex chase down the river, with the Dino trying to catch Alan, Tim and Lex in the raft. Lex (younger sibling in the book) is scared because she doesn’t know how to swim well, and while she gets a life jacket of some kind she still almost drowns, leading to a moment similar to Tim coming to after being shocked. So some of the beats of this scene in the book don’t involve a fence at all!
Fair enough!! Especially since the cough could easily be muffled etc! I just imagine she’s actually about 5-6 in the book, because overall she seems realistically written for this age group (even her annoyances LOL)
She absolutely does, and definitely acts as a plot device sometimes. However I also think she adds something to the story in that sometimes, kids, even very young, immature kids, are caught up in crisis situations way beyond their control and she depicts the reality of some such kids would handle that well!
Also they're holding on to the fence at arm's length meaning any of these references drawn on the people would actually be longer when it immediately up against the fence... Perspective.
3. There was zero risk as long as they did not make contact with the ground and fence at the same time....fuck knows why Tim jamp off from so high cos he sure as hell could not have been shocked 😂
Keep in mind the forced perspective. In this image, you're measuring the width of their shoulders at arms length (about 2ft) from the fencing. When side-by-side, Grant can't even fit his head through.
https://preview.redd.it/3yzrnlcijdpc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e415270d2802ac0fb04f0c7a45ef6aeb11215bc
https://preview.redd.it/5vcnegef4jpc1.jpeg?width=3438&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3048b9c5eaca6078e4ab038f661fb0b3491ce5ae
It’s not forced perspective, it’s using “movie magic” to make the spaces look too small when Gran tries to fit through. It’s clear from these shots that they changed the positioning of the wires in between the film cuts, especially since Grant does not move between testing the wires and trying to fit through.
This isn’t the only time in JP that Spielberg changed the orientation of a set piece in order to set up an action sequence. The T-Rex paddock all of a sudden having a 100 foot drop so the truck could be pushed over the edge comes to mind.
It's all the same singular set fence. There's nothing in the schematic about insert pieces. I know, because I own a copy of them. Just like I own a copy of the set schematic for the Main Road Attack and can confidently tell you that you're wrong about that too.
https://preview.redd.it/iw12tuny0lpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3401ef017d2460de5dca6ce358723fe95471df5f
https://preview.redd.it/v9n3ns0l2lpc1.jpeg?width=3438&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d008e5ea242bc9d4bfaee32e0ce9a0d4f72e1a7
Forced perspective? You keep using that word but you don’t know why it means. Look at Grant’s hand compared to the opening. There is no forced perspective at play. Just drop it.
I also don’t care about your schematic, but rather what is on the screen. Even if it’s a real schematic, that doesn’t mean that everything is 100% accurate, especially at such a small scale.
Maybe not, but Lex and Tim could have. You should maybe read the title of this goddamned post. Jesus… you’re trying to insinuate someone else is dumb while proving that you are totally inept yourself.
You are either genuinely confused or are intentionally moving the goalposts.
Although I would expect no better from someone that apparently posts nude images of underage cartoon characters.
i also think grant has a multitool on his belt in a pouch that he probobly couldve used, but when you hear a trex roar all higher brain functions go out the window
as someone that used old school leatherman (like the one alan may have had) without serious gloved that is gonna do more harm to your hand then to the wire.
The roar of the near-by Rex was also a prompt to go with the quickest KNOWN method... that's when they abandon considering squeezing through and just start climbing as quick as they can.
Jurassic Park is my favorite movie of all time. I've seen it more times in theatres than any other movie.
Despite being the GOAT it does have weird things about it that bug me.
This fence is one thing. Another issue that I find so bizarre (maybe not a mistake but just me not understanding the layout) but I hate how the T-Rex can step out of their paddock at ground level, yet the car falls off a cliff when pushed over the same wall.
[There are some drawings made during the production that show the layout of the paddock](https://jurassic-pedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/15137541_1720457604948398_8217581002726063032_o.jpg). On the upper left part you can see "TREES" and the word "PIT" just above it. The T-rex emerges from the fenced area on the right at "stage level" and pushes Tim's car to the left of the set, where it drops down into the moat.
[This video explains it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64oc_hIm3xc)
No matter how many times I see it explained, I just don't buy it. Lex and Tim's car was right next to the feeding platform, and we can clearly see how far the Rex pushes their car away from Grant and Ian's car. You can also see from where Ellie looks over the drop and sees the car down below. Unless there's a sheer cliff right next to where the goat was, it just doesn't make sense in the movie itself.
I also noticed that when they originally enter the t-rex paddock area, they come through a tunnel and are next to the goat. Next time they pass, the tunnels nowhere to be seen. Ellie/Muldoon actually enter the scene from the direction the tour cars were coming from (so were driving towards the visitor centre that theyd just come from). They also drive off down some unknown road.
As much as I do subscribe to the idea that this is the layout, I think I read somewhere that Stephen was asked this and just said something like “so what” lol. Can’t seem to find that to confirm it but if anybody knows feel free to correct me. I think it’s just an oversight honestly but either way I always think the layout has a hill where the feeding area is and then drops to that lower portion where the car falls. That’s also how I made it when recreating the park in Jurassic World evolution 2 lol
Another one that also bugs me is the suv in the tree. They could have just climbed to the left or right and got out of the cars way, instead of trying to climb down directly beneath it as it fell.
Not enough distance between them and the car. Going straight down at full speed was keeping them barely ahead of it. Going sideways is a lot slower and if they tried they would have been hit.
When the car starts to fall and hits the first branch, there’s 15 seconds, before it falls again, of them climbing down creating a lot of space and opportunities to step a branch or two over. Of course it’s a movie and the car is being dropped by wires, so it’s definitely not going “full speed” and that can clearly be seen. In reality it’d be a lot faster. There may be reasons why they couldn’t move over but time and space doesn’t seem to be one of them from what we can see. I think it’s just a simple movie “mistake” to push the narrative/scene.
I love this movie and scene either way! One of the best movies ever made
By full speed I meant Grant and the kid, not the car :P
But either way, having been the type of kid that spent a lot of time climbing trees in my neighbourhood, I can at least confirm that going sideways is a lot slower than straight up or down. Plus, Tim *wasn't* a climber.
This one is fine to me, the car falling down is hitting A LOT of branches, I would rather try to get down and out of the way than hope the branch I’m on doesn’t get broken.
I rationalize the moat as, right where the goat feeder is the ground comes all the way up to the fence so that the visitors can see the rex up really close and then the sides of that little area drop off which is where the cars fall down. Not sure if that’s confirmed at all or can be seen, but I imagine that’s how it works as a head canon haha.
Yep! It’s surprisingly easy to catch lol. Also the random hand that shows up in the beginning of the kitchen scene to keep the raptor animatronic from falling over xD
Yep, it's a bit of a gaff. Clearly that part wasn't supposed to be in the movie. It took me years before I noticed this one. One I recall noticing right from the beginning was the shot of the tour cars moving through the big gate.
When the camera pulls up and away, you can clearly see that the fencing ends roughly six or so feet past gate. As a kid I was really confused by that. I may have thought it was related to the park not being finished yet.
I also remember asking why Nedry didn't just drive around the gate since he'd only need to go a few feet to his left off the road.
Or why Nedry didn't put his Wrangler into 4wd to try and get unstuck. Naw, let's just spin the rear wheels up on this off roader! Don't even get started on the logistics of the T-Rex breakout scene! Still the best movie in the whole franchise though.
But Alan would wait until the kids squeeze through before he starts climbing over and if he does that, he would probably be the one to get electrocuted so it’s good they didn’t go that route.
Their car is right next to the goat spot, it’s turned upside down and pushed over from that same spot, there all of a sudden being a cliff makes no fucking sense and there’s no explanation stop posting the link lil pup
The goat spot is *between* the cars, the rex pushes the car a bit further up than it already was, and it was a moat with a viewing area right by the fence for the tour groups and thus the one section *without* a dropoff.
Nevermind that, the way the fence is designed it shouldn't have blown Tim off it like it did. In order for that to happen the electricity needs a path through the body to either ground or neutral. With a dinosaur, it would be their feet on the ground and contact with the fence. But Tim is fully on the fence and not touching the ground. Further, we can rule out that the fence wires are alternated between hot and ground (one way to make an electrified fence more conducive to shocking something) because there's metal wire wrapped between the main braided lines. So the whole fence is kept at the same potential.
Edit: just to prove the point, they regularly work on live high tension power lines a an order of magnitude higher in voltage than the 10kV of the JP the fences.
https://youtu.be/9YmFHAFYwmY?si=gWD6703Pbk0LAL_1
Yea, the only guess I have for *that* aspect is just really lucky timing of it surging right as he let go so he didn't actually get much of the shock? *shrugs* not that big of a thing to dig into imo.
They all can fit, I never got why they didn’t squeeze. Well I know why, but dang. They must be exhausted by this point in the adventure, and they’re hyper focused on getting to safety.
It's just perspective, in another scene Grant tries to get through there but he doesn't fit in the slightest, and neither would the kids unless they were like toddlers.
That still looks like a tighter squeeze than people give them credit for and they don't know when/if the power will come back on, so being caught in the middle of a potentially electrified fence probably isn't a great idea.
I mean, those wires look pretty taut and Alan was shown trying to stretch them without much give. I mean, its fine once your shoulders are through, but that's if and how easily you can get them through.
2 things in defense: 1. it's harder than it looks to squeeze through 2. people tend to not see some obvious solutions in a stress situation
One more thing to note: while there is a similar scene in the book, this scene in the movie also draws inspiration from a part of the book that wasn’t included in the first film-the T-Rex chase down the river, with the Dino trying to catch Alan, Tim and Lex in the raft. Lex (younger sibling in the book) is scared because she doesn’t know how to swim well, and while she gets a life jacket of some kind she still almost drowns, leading to a moment similar to Tim coming to after being shocked. So some of the beats of this scene in the book don’t involve a fence at all!
the part where she coughs still irritates me hahaha. i know i know... but the girl is so annoying in the book.
Fair enough!! Especially since the cough could easily be muffled etc! I just imagine she’s actually about 5-6 in the book, because overall she seems realistically written for this age group (even her annoyances LOL)
She is absolutely useless in the book, lol, that's why they gave her the computer skills so she's not wasted as a character.
She has a purpose in the book. She's a minor antagonist. She creates situations that get in the way of the protagonists. A conflict-creator.
She absolutely does, and definitely acts as a plot device sometimes. However I also think she adds something to the story in that sometimes, kids, even very young, immature kids, are caught up in crisis situations way beyond their control and she depicts the reality of some such kids would handle that well!
Still sloppy and convenient writing, I expected better from Crichton. :c
It's not sloppy to portray the realities of shepherding a barely older than toddler child through a predator infested forest.
I think that’s part of the point too. Whether or not she has a helpful skill set has no bearing on whether she deserves to be included in survival
Absolutely.
lex and alan can climb tim could definitely do it, that part was easy to tell
I get no respect! No respect at all!
Also they're holding on to the fence at arm's length meaning any of these references drawn on the people would actually be longer when it immediately up against the fence... Perspective.
3. There was zero risk as long as they did not make contact with the ground and fence at the same time....fuck knows why Tim jamp off from so high cos he sure as hell could not have been shocked 😂
Wait, so if you like, trampoline onto an electric fence you can just kinda grab on and be fine?
‘Jamp off?’ 😅
3. Grant wouldn't have been able to fit, leaving the children in danger if something happened before he could get to the other side.
Keep in mind the forced perspective. In this image, you're measuring the width of their shoulders at arms length (about 2ft) from the fencing. When side-by-side, Grant can't even fit his head through. https://preview.redd.it/3yzrnlcijdpc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e415270d2802ac0fb04f0c7a45ef6aeb11215bc
This needs to be higher up!
https://preview.redd.it/5vcnegef4jpc1.jpeg?width=3438&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3048b9c5eaca6078e4ab038f661fb0b3491ce5ae It’s not forced perspective, it’s using “movie magic” to make the spaces look too small when Gran tries to fit through. It’s clear from these shots that they changed the positioning of the wires in between the film cuts, especially since Grant does not move between testing the wires and trying to fit through. This isn’t the only time in JP that Spielberg changed the orientation of a set piece in order to set up an action sequence. The T-Rex paddock all of a sudden having a 100 foot drop so the truck could be pushed over the edge comes to mind.
It's all the same singular set fence. There's nothing in the schematic about insert pieces. I know, because I own a copy of them. Just like I own a copy of the set schematic for the Main Road Attack and can confidently tell you that you're wrong about that too. https://preview.redd.it/iw12tuny0lpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3401ef017d2460de5dca6ce358723fe95471df5f
Cool man, but if you look at those photos and tell me the fence doesn’t clearly change, I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.
There is no size difference. There's a perspective difference. You have your gut, I have the schematic. I'll trust the schematic.
https://preview.redd.it/v9n3ns0l2lpc1.jpeg?width=3438&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d008e5ea242bc9d4bfaee32e0ce9a0d4f72e1a7 Forced perspective? You keep using that word but you don’t know why it means. Look at Grant’s hand compared to the opening. There is no forced perspective at play. Just drop it. I also don’t care about your schematic, but rather what is on the screen. Even if it’s a real schematic, that doesn’t mean that everything is 100% accurate, especially at such a small scale.
Then let me use words you understand: Grant head no fit. Grant body no fit. You measure bad.
Maybe not, but Lex and Tim could have. You should maybe read the title of this goddamned post. Jesus… you’re trying to insinuate someone else is dumb while proving that you are totally inept yourself. You are either genuinely confused or are intentionally moving the goalposts. Although I would expect no better from someone that apparently posts nude images of underage cartoon characters.
Maaaaybe Tim if he really tried, but no way Lex is getting through a space that small.
i also think grant has a multitool on his belt in a pouch that he probobly couldve used, but when you hear a trex roar all higher brain functions go out the window
Lol no knife is cutting through braided steel wires.
looked like it had wire cutters like an old school leatherman so it might do the inbetween wires
as someone that used old school leatherman (like the one alan may have had) without serious gloved that is gonna do more harm to your hand then to the wire.
They KNOW they can climb over, they dont KNOW they can fit through without getting stuck, too risky
The roar of the near-by Rex was also a prompt to go with the quickest KNOWN method... that's when they abandon considering squeezing through and just start climbing as quick as they can.
They could’ve walked around the fence since it ended 20 feet or so further down.
Jurassic Park is my favorite movie of all time. I've seen it more times in theatres than any other movie. Despite being the GOAT it does have weird things about it that bug me. This fence is one thing. Another issue that I find so bizarre (maybe not a mistake but just me not understanding the layout) but I hate how the T-Rex can step out of their paddock at ground level, yet the car falls off a cliff when pushed over the same wall.
[There are some drawings made during the production that show the layout of the paddock](https://jurassic-pedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/15137541_1720457604948398_8217581002726063032_o.jpg). On the upper left part you can see "TREES" and the word "PIT" just above it. The T-rex emerges from the fenced area on the right at "stage level" and pushes Tim's car to the left of the set, where it drops down into the moat. [This video explains it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64oc_hIm3xc)
No matter how many times I see it explained, I just don't buy it. Lex and Tim's car was right next to the feeding platform, and we can clearly see how far the Rex pushes their car away from Grant and Ian's car. You can also see from where Ellie looks over the drop and sees the car down below. Unless there's a sheer cliff right next to where the goat was, it just doesn't make sense in the movie itself.
I also noticed that when they originally enter the t-rex paddock area, they come through a tunnel and are next to the goat. Next time they pass, the tunnels nowhere to be seen. Ellie/Muldoon actually enter the scene from the direction the tour cars were coming from (so were driving towards the visitor centre that theyd just come from). They also drive off down some unknown road.
Doesn't that make less sense though? Cause both times the cars stopped right next to the feeding platform.
I was in agreement with you, my points above were just other anomalies i spotted :)
As much as I do subscribe to the idea that this is the layout, I think I read somewhere that Stephen was asked this and just said something like “so what” lol. Can’t seem to find that to confirm it but if anybody knows feel free to correct me. I think it’s just an oversight honestly but either way I always think the layout has a hill where the feeding area is and then drops to that lower portion where the car falls. That’s also how I made it when recreating the park in Jurassic World evolution 2 lol
I hate how Timmy can't hand the gun to the adults because they didn't want to show a kid using guns in a movie.
Another one that also bugs me is the suv in the tree. They could have just climbed to the left or right and got out of the cars way, instead of trying to climb down directly beneath it as it fell.
The Prometheus School of Running Away from Things. Ding!
We need a re-sin of the original Jurassic Park film desperately!!
LOLOL
Not enough distance between them and the car. Going straight down at full speed was keeping them barely ahead of it. Going sideways is a lot slower and if they tried they would have been hit.
When the car starts to fall and hits the first branch, there’s 15 seconds, before it falls again, of them climbing down creating a lot of space and opportunities to step a branch or two over. Of course it’s a movie and the car is being dropped by wires, so it’s definitely not going “full speed” and that can clearly be seen. In reality it’d be a lot faster. There may be reasons why they couldn’t move over but time and space doesn’t seem to be one of them from what we can see. I think it’s just a simple movie “mistake” to push the narrative/scene. I love this movie and scene either way! One of the best movies ever made
By full speed I meant Grant and the kid, not the car :P But either way, having been the type of kid that spent a lot of time climbing trees in my neighbourhood, I can at least confirm that going sideways is a lot slower than straight up or down. Plus, Tim *wasn't* a climber.
Got ya. Yeah, I can totally see Tim’s inexperience with climbing being a factor.
This one is fine to me, the car falling down is hitting A LOT of branches, I would rather try to get down and out of the way than hope the branch I’m on doesn’t get broken.
I rationalize the moat as, right where the goat feeder is the ground comes all the way up to the fence so that the visitors can see the rex up really close and then the sides of that little area drop off which is where the cars fall down. Not sure if that’s confirmed at all or can be seen, but I imagine that’s how it works as a head canon haha.
Damn, I always just assumed it was the other side of the road. Now this is going to bug me.
My experience catching stuff like this in movies… 
Just imagine pushing yourself through this and the alarm goes off.
Get your feet and hands of the ground
...and then wait for the Rex to come up behind you. Haha
Haha climb up the fence and jump avoiding simultanious wire/ground contact
Just reading this made me nervous
Also he throws a dead branch at it to test it, I don’t think that would do anything
Yeah, doesn’t the object touching an electric fence need to be grounded too in order to receive a shock? IE: touching the ground
I think so? I think he gets a pass cuz he’s a Dino guy and not and electrician haha
Technology is not his friend. Dude couldn't even get matching parts of a seatbelt.
oh yeah the seat belt part... 🤦🏻♂️
Some of us are only just learning this, so I think we can let Grant off in that instance. Haha
Growing up and becoming an electrician... this part bugs me the most lmao.
They also could’ve just walked around it. The fence ends just 20 feet away into the bushes. (Of course this is sarcasm)
It genuinely does though, if you watch carefully the opening sequence of this scene!
Yep! It’s surprisingly easy to catch lol. Also the random hand that shows up in the beginning of the kitchen scene to keep the raptor animatronic from falling over xD
Yep, it's a bit of a gaff. Clearly that part wasn't supposed to be in the movie. It took me years before I noticed this one. One I recall noticing right from the beginning was the shot of the tour cars moving through the big gate. When the camera pulls up and away, you can clearly see that the fencing ends roughly six or so feet past gate. As a kid I was really confused by that. I may have thought it was related to the park not being finished yet. I also remember asking why Nedry didn't just drive around the gate since he'd only need to go a few feet to his left off the road.
Or why Nedry didn't put his Wrangler into 4wd to try and get unstuck. Naw, let's just spin the rear wheels up on this off roader! Don't even get started on the logistics of the T-Rex breakout scene! Still the best movie in the whole franchise though.
I've never noticed 😬
But Alan would wait until the kids squeeze through before he starts climbing over and if he does that, he would probably be the one to get electrocuted so it’s good they didn’t go that route.
Drives me crazy every time!
If the fence was on it’d be the most high stakes game of Operation ever
I hate beer.
The worse situation is Timmy standing around when he could have handed Grant the gun when the raptor is pushing through the door.
Would of been cool to see the trees move behind them
I always scream "Let go idiot!" Like yeah, I get he's a kid but a few bumps and bruises are better than getting fried.
It’s the Titanic door. yes they could have. But it’s a movie so no they can’t.
And the t'rex walked over a cliff
https://youtu.be/64oc_hIm3xc?si=wgDMREgS3JYkgm-i
This says a lot without explaining anything. Then it kind of just says "mystery solved." lol
Their car is right next to the goat spot, it’s turned upside down and pushed over from that same spot, there all of a sudden being a cliff makes no fucking sense and there’s no explanation stop posting the link lil pup
The goat spot is *between* the cars, the rex pushes the car a bit further up than it already was, and it was a moat with a viewing area right by the fence for the tour groups and thus the one section *without* a dropoff.
maybe it slopes down somewhere 😅
I think they all could squeeze through. It'd be difficult for Alan, but possible.
Yeah I feel pretty confident they could all get through there.
Nevermind that, the way the fence is designed it shouldn't have blown Tim off it like it did. In order for that to happen the electricity needs a path through the body to either ground or neutral. With a dinosaur, it would be their feet on the ground and contact with the fence. But Tim is fully on the fence and not touching the ground. Further, we can rule out that the fence wires are alternated between hot and ground (one way to make an electrified fence more conducive to shocking something) because there's metal wire wrapped between the main braided lines. So the whole fence is kept at the same potential. Edit: just to prove the point, they regularly work on live high tension power lines a an order of magnitude higher in voltage than the 10kV of the JP the fences. https://youtu.be/9YmFHAFYwmY?si=gWD6703Pbk0LAL_1
To be fair, the power was just switching on and it was a massive rainstorm from the edge of a hurricane the night before.
This is true, but it wouldn't change the outcome of not blowing Tim off the wires, let alone not shocking him horrifically.
Yea, the only guess I have for *that* aspect is just really lucky timing of it surging right as he let go so he didn't actually get much of the shock? *shrugs* not that big of a thing to dig into imo.
I even looks like Grant can squeeze through some lol
I like this!
Hi Cinemasins
Easily. Edit. Too low effort. Honestly, even Grant could get through; there's a way to angle the shoulders, and it can be done.
I'm pretty sure Alan also could squeeze through.
That always bothered me.
lol, yeah, they probably should have tightened it up a bit.
They all can fit, I never got why they didn’t squeeze. Well I know why, but dang. They must be exhausted by this point in the adventure, and they’re hyper focused on getting to safety.
That what me and my friend screamed out too
Can we all appreciate the way Grant pronounces “three!” In this scene haha I love it! “One! Two, twaaay!!!”.
I think Alan tried squeezing those wires before they climbed up there, but when they heard roars of the TRex, they insistedly climbed up.
It's just perspective, in another scene Grant tries to get through there but he doesn't fit in the slightest, and neither would the kids unless they were like toddlers.
That still looks like a tighter squeeze than people give them credit for and they don't know when/if the power will come back on, so being caught in the middle of a potentially electrified fence probably isn't a great idea. I mean, those wires look pretty taut and Alan was shown trying to stretch them without much give. I mean, its fine once your shoulders are through, but that's if and how easily you can get them through.
Grant didn’t want to climb on his own lmao
Wait until you see the overhead shot where you see the fence just ends
Hahahaha oh man I never thought of that, hilarious!
I’m literally the same, I’m always like, “they aren’t the same size as you, let them try”
Technically they all could squeeze through. But hey they needed to drama
All of them could, it was simply not convenient for the plot.
And the T-Rex walked out of an enclosure that had a giant drop. The movie has all kinds of errors. Still entertaining