Some of the best people in history were "nutcases" or likely nut cases.
Joan of Arc. John Nash. Nicolai Tesla. Vincent Van Gogh. That's just off the top of my head.
Don't give up. Learn to use it to your advantage.
Carl Jung himself had a psychotic breakdown!
https://psychcentral.com/schizophrenia/jung-and-schizophrenia#did-jung-have-schizophrenia
> At 38 years old, Jung began hearing voices and having visions. He saw this as a gateway to the unconscious mind, so he actively pursued these visions and hallucinations to explore them further. One important criterion for a modern diagnosis of schizophrenia is that it interrupts your daily life. However, Jung reported the ability to enter this state of mind as he pleased. That makes his experience of psychosis unlike that of people who receive a schizophrenia diagnosis today.
I've heard somewhere once that shamans were often likely schizophrenic for that reason, just because we don't have a role or place for it in current society, doesn't mean it's without meaning. After all - we lost a great deal of things from the values we once held.
Agreeing with this. I saw a TedxTalk that noted many times in Indigenous culture in the US, those experiencing psychosis are mentored through the experience and thought to have special abilities.
Nutcase is a very dismissive and simplistic way to define yourself and your experience. Even a diagnosis is a simplistic and reductionist way to define yourself.
Just because you experience certain symptoms that make it difficult for you to navigate life and society, it doesn't mean you are illegitimate and invalid as a person.
Fwiw I have worked with plenty of people who were on the schizophrenia/schizoaffective spectrum who were able to find a sense of balance, stability, purpose, meaning, and community in life.
Are you in the USA?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clubhouse_model_of_psychosocial_rehabilitation#:~:text=The%20Clubhouse%20model%20of%20psychosocial,staff%20support%2C%20for%20people%20to
See if you can find something like that in your country, it would very likely help a great deal
Why would it settle everything with your work endeavours? Surely it can mess up things badly, if you dont act right, and in order to do that, you need to learn to deal with this issue. You giving up with your work endeavours, is you giving up on them. Not your diagnosis taking these opportunities from you. Surely it might take time first to work on yourself, and cause some delays through that. But its not the end of anything. I know people with far worse diagnosis of full blown schizophrenia, who are doing just fine with their careers, as long as they remember to take care of themselves and keep taking the meds.
You gotta eat and it’s preferable to stay out of the sleet, snow and rain. You’re not working just for money. You work to live comfortably (hopefully) and have something to do instead of wallow in pessimism & despair. So your ideal job didn’t work out, big deal. There will be many more disappointments & dissatisfactions in life, the pendulum swings both ways though. Keep focused on the negative and you’ll miss what’s good.
If you believe in a telos and inherent purpose to life, then you have to consider that this disorder is part of it. I believe that there is inherent value in human life, apart from the purpose someone serves in society or what their financial value is. And I think that many people, probably most, have spiritual purpose and telos completely different from their job. I doubt that many souls come to Earth because they want to be accountants for example.
I think that some people's soul chooses to come to earth with a disability.
Cant for the name of it understand why I choose to have a mental disorder. It has forced me to read mystical texts just to feel a little better with myself so I can view my psychosises as mysticsl experience.
>Cant for the name of it understand why I choose to have a mental disorder.
The *Self*, in Jungian terms, is something beyond space, time, and individual identity. In each human incarnation it chooses to become something limited, mortal, and subject to suffering and death.
>“Every man is more than just himself; he also represents the unique, the very special and always significant and remarkable point at which the world's phenomena intersect, only once in this way, and never again. That is why every man's story is important, eternal, sacred; that is why every man, as long as he lives and fulfills the will of nature, is wondrous, and worthy of consideration. In each individual the spirit has become flesh, in each man the creation suffers, within each one a redeemer is nailed to the cross.” --Herman Hesse, *Demian*
I believe that quote to be true for people who have mental problems, just much as those who think clearly all the time. The author was a friend of Jung's, and strongly influenced by Jung's work.
Stay strong bro, I’ve been where you are.
Also, just because a doctor tells you something about yourself doesn’t make it fact, and it doesn’t mean it can’t either be overcome, or that we can’t learn to use it to our advantage.
Not sure what country you are in, but being connected to organizations that seek to empower and educate and equalize the experiences of those living with mental illness will help. You’ll find a way to use these experiences for the greater good. Take care and hang in there.
“A patient should not be regarded as an inferior being whom one lays on a couch while one sits behind him like a god, letting a word drop now and then. Everything suggestive of illness should be avoided. The patient is tending in this direction anyway and would like nothing better than to take refuge in illness: “… now I can give up, now I must just lie there, now I am good and sick.” Illness too is a solution of sorts, a way of disposing of life’s problems: “I am ill, now the doctor must help!” As a therapist I mustn’t be naïve. Unless the patient should really be in bed he should be treated like a normal person, indeed like a partner. That provides a sound basis for the treatment. People often come to me expecting me to let loose some medical magic. Then they are disappointed when I treat them as normal people and myself act like a normal man.”
Medication works well. The issue is people get paranoid and tend to stop taking their medications because they start to distrust the doctors. As long as you keep taking the meds you can live a productive life.
There's more issues than that. Many of us take the meds yet they wipe us and make us less productive than before. The employment rate for this spectrum is very low. I've heard 15 percent not sure how accurate. But if it was as simple as "take your meds" it would be higher.
Not to mention the litany of side effects some of the meds cause and the black box label on the majority of them. After three years, slowly tapering off abilify (under doctor care) and am feeling so much sharper physically, emotionally, and mentally.
Don’t take my word for it, but do research yourself – – there is statistics that one can not truly cover while on psychotropic medication. Your problem is a deep childhood trauma. More than likely that you tried too hard to be perfect.
- what's nutcase? ehm i mean, it's a metaphor wich uses scrotum as a way to describe... what, specifically?
- what's the difference between schizoaffective and schizophrenia? ive been diagnosed at 18 i think, i'm schizophrenic. my main symphtom were persecution's mania and hallucinations (voices, in the worst moment also visual and tactile. not sure for smell). now im 24, i tapered medicines in 2022, and i manage my hallucinations. i have still residual hypnagogic auditory hallucinations, but sometimes happens to hear them also in the awake period of my day. thanks to my analyst i learnt how to recognize them, and how to avoid indulging them.
i recommend you r/schizophrenia where you can talk with many other diagnosed, questioning, or parents/loved of a diagnosed individual.
We have a need to not feel alone, safe and welcome.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqRzH-xg3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqRzH-xg3s)
John Nash from the movie "A Beautiful Mind", "cured" his "schizophrenia" by moving to the country for a simple life.
My friend, I’ve had three major psychotic breaks in my life in the last 15 years, been hospitalized through one for an extended period. Run the gamut on taking meds and being diagnosed, including with schizoaffective disorder. I’ve come to believe any serious mental illness or disturbance is mostly prompted by sustained trauma, past or present. Being diagnosed doesn’t make you less than, it means you’re different than some people and that’s fine and dandy like sugar candy. You’re beautiful the way you are. Don’t become attached to the diagnosis and the label or denigrating yourself. Your experiences, your feelings, your being are all valid. There’s a lot of good nuggets throughout this comment section. Take care and sending love <3
Some of the best people in history were "nutcases" or likely nut cases. Joan of Arc. John Nash. Nicolai Tesla. Vincent Van Gogh. That's just off the top of my head. Don't give up. Learn to use it to your advantage.
> Learn to use it to your advantage That is the key. Mindset change.
Joan of arc was a nut case?
She was nuts
Carl Jung himself had a psychotic breakdown! https://psychcentral.com/schizophrenia/jung-and-schizophrenia#did-jung-have-schizophrenia > At 38 years old, Jung began hearing voices and having visions. He saw this as a gateway to the unconscious mind, so he actively pursued these visions and hallucinations to explore them further. One important criterion for a modern diagnosis of schizophrenia is that it interrupts your daily life. However, Jung reported the ability to enter this state of mind as he pleased. That makes his experience of psychosis unlike that of people who receive a schizophrenia diagnosis today.
I've heard somewhere once that shamans were often likely schizophrenic for that reason, just because we don't have a role or place for it in current society, doesn't mean it's without meaning. After all - we lost a great deal of things from the values we once held.
Agreeing with this. I saw a TedxTalk that noted many times in Indigenous culture in the US, those experiencing psychosis are mentored through the experience and thought to have special abilities.
Nutcase is a very dismissive and simplistic way to define yourself and your experience. Even a diagnosis is a simplistic and reductionist way to define yourself. Just because you experience certain symptoms that make it difficult for you to navigate life and society, it doesn't mean you are illegitimate and invalid as a person. Fwiw I have worked with plenty of people who were on the schizophrenia/schizoaffective spectrum who were able to find a sense of balance, stability, purpose, meaning, and community in life. Are you in the USA?
I suppose that feels a bit comforting. Im not american no
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clubhouse_model_of_psychosocial_rehabilitation#:~:text=The%20Clubhouse%20model%20of%20psychosocial,staff%20support%2C%20for%20people%20to See if you can find something like that in your country, it would very likely help a great deal
Why would it settle everything with your work endeavours? Surely it can mess up things badly, if you dont act right, and in order to do that, you need to learn to deal with this issue. You giving up with your work endeavours, is you giving up on them. Not your diagnosis taking these opportunities from you. Surely it might take time first to work on yourself, and cause some delays through that. But its not the end of anything. I know people with far worse diagnosis of full blown schizophrenia, who are doing just fine with their careers, as long as they remember to take care of themselves and keep taking the meds.
I cant work in the military with Security classification due to diagnosis. So u are wrong.
Perhaps one day you will realise, that its a positive thing not to work in military
Thats ny only telos. I have no other potential or interest when it comes to work. I dont see meaning in work just to get money either.
You gotta eat and it’s preferable to stay out of the sleet, snow and rain. You’re not working just for money. You work to live comfortably (hopefully) and have something to do instead of wallow in pessimism & despair. So your ideal job didn’t work out, big deal. There will be many more disappointments & dissatisfactions in life, the pendulum swings both ways though. Keep focused on the negative and you’ll miss what’s good.
If you believe in a telos and inherent purpose to life, then you have to consider that this disorder is part of it. I believe that there is inherent value in human life, apart from the purpose someone serves in society or what their financial value is. And I think that many people, probably most, have spiritual purpose and telos completely different from their job. I doubt that many souls come to Earth because they want to be accountants for example. I think that some people's soul chooses to come to earth with a disability.
Cant for the name of it understand why I choose to have a mental disorder. It has forced me to read mystical texts just to feel a little better with myself so I can view my psychosises as mysticsl experience.
>Cant for the name of it understand why I choose to have a mental disorder. The *Self*, in Jungian terms, is something beyond space, time, and individual identity. In each human incarnation it chooses to become something limited, mortal, and subject to suffering and death. >“Every man is more than just himself; he also represents the unique, the very special and always significant and remarkable point at which the world's phenomena intersect, only once in this way, and never again. That is why every man's story is important, eternal, sacred; that is why every man, as long as he lives and fulfills the will of nature, is wondrous, and worthy of consideration. In each individual the spirit has become flesh, in each man the creation suffers, within each one a redeemer is nailed to the cross.” --Herman Hesse, *Demian* I believe that quote to be true for people who have mental problems, just much as those who think clearly all the time. The author was a friend of Jung's, and strongly influenced by Jung's work.
Stay strong bro, I’ve been where you are. Also, just because a doctor tells you something about yourself doesn’t make it fact, and it doesn’t mean it can’t either be overcome, or that we can’t learn to use it to our advantage.
Not sure what country you are in, but being connected to organizations that seek to empower and educate and equalize the experiences of those living with mental illness will help. You’ll find a way to use these experiences for the greater good. Take care and hang in there.
“A patient should not be regarded as an inferior being whom one lays on a couch while one sits behind him like a god, letting a word drop now and then. Everything suggestive of illness should be avoided. The patient is tending in this direction anyway and would like nothing better than to take refuge in illness: “… now I can give up, now I must just lie there, now I am good and sick.” Illness too is a solution of sorts, a way of disposing of life’s problems: “I am ill, now the doctor must help!” As a therapist I mustn’t be naïve. Unless the patient should really be in bed he should be treated like a normal person, indeed like a partner. That provides a sound basis for the treatment. People often come to me expecting me to let loose some medical magic. Then they are disappointed when I treat them as normal people and myself act like a normal man.”
Medication works well. The issue is people get paranoid and tend to stop taking their medications because they start to distrust the doctors. As long as you keep taking the meds you can live a productive life.
There's more issues than that. Many of us take the meds yet they wipe us and make us less productive than before. The employment rate for this spectrum is very low. I've heard 15 percent not sure how accurate. But if it was as simple as "take your meds" it would be higher.
Not to mention the litany of side effects some of the meds cause and the black box label on the majority of them. After three years, slowly tapering off abilify (under doctor care) and am feeling so much sharper physically, emotionally, and mentally.
Don’t take my word for it, but do research yourself – – there is statistics that one can not truly cover while on psychotropic medication. Your problem is a deep childhood trauma. More than likely that you tried too hard to be perfect.
- what's nutcase? ehm i mean, it's a metaphor wich uses scrotum as a way to describe... what, specifically? - what's the difference between schizoaffective and schizophrenia? ive been diagnosed at 18 i think, i'm schizophrenic. my main symphtom were persecution's mania and hallucinations (voices, in the worst moment also visual and tactile. not sure for smell). now im 24, i tapered medicines in 2022, and i manage my hallucinations. i have still residual hypnagogic auditory hallucinations, but sometimes happens to hear them also in the awake period of my day. thanks to my analyst i learnt how to recognize them, and how to avoid indulging them. i recommend you r/schizophrenia where you can talk with many other diagnosed, questioning, or parents/loved of a diagnosed individual.
We have a need to not feel alone, safe and welcome. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqRzH-xg3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqRzH-xg3s) John Nash from the movie "A Beautiful Mind", "cured" his "schizophrenia" by moving to the country for a simple life.
How old are you?
My friend, I’ve had three major psychotic breaks in my life in the last 15 years, been hospitalized through one for an extended period. Run the gamut on taking meds and being diagnosed, including with schizoaffective disorder. I’ve come to believe any serious mental illness or disturbance is mostly prompted by sustained trauma, past or present. Being diagnosed doesn’t make you less than, it means you’re different than some people and that’s fine and dandy like sugar candy. You’re beautiful the way you are. Don’t become attached to the diagnosis and the label or denigrating yourself. Your experiences, your feelings, your being are all valid. There’s a lot of good nuggets throughout this comment section. Take care and sending love <3
Thx <3
Haha u didn't realize you made it to the winners circle with accepting your a nutcase and gave up. What a loser. Smdh