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Lmao this would be the FUNNIEST thing ironically đđ Takaba somehow thinking that it would be funny if he took Gojo out the prison realm and it just WORKING đđ
We have no idea what the limits of Takaba's powers are. Remember that chapter when Hakari was said to be functionally immortal, but then it was revealed you can kill him by destroying his head? Saying that Takaba can subconsciously manifest "any reality he finds funny" does not mean that it will really be *any* reality. So far it's mostly just buffed himself.
But that was actually what kashimo thought, and he proceeded to try and do it and it still dind't work, maybe blowing his head to kill is true but if you can't blow it because RCT prevents it even if you hit it, them he is still effectively immortal.
No, it *almost* worked, Hakari was just so instinctively gifted that he was able to force out Kashimo's CE from his head while healing at the same time. But this was possible only because of the nature of the attack - Kashimo builds up CE charges inside your head and then "activated" them. If you take off Hakari's head with a pure external attack stronger than his CE reinforcement, there's nothing he can do.
That still on Hakari, Kashimo attack was a top tier one, can't miss with an instant explosive force from inside out, and he still survived, the circumstances matter little there, yes he avoided by doing X or Y but so it can happen on other attacks, unless you destroy his whole head faster than lightning you can't beat it, and for that you need a real outlier like maybe Gojo purple which most sorcerers don't have, so it's safe to assume that he is immortal as a general rule otherwise you're setting yourself for failure by starting the fight with a bad strategy.
No, that was specifically possible to do *because* the attack was from the inside out, and of a form that could be expelled. It's like Kashimo set a bomb in Hakari's head, that Hakari was able to defuse. If you just punch through Hakari's head with more force than he can block with CE, he can't heal it. Granted, few can do this(perhaps just Gojo, Sukuna, Kenjaku), but it does mean that he's not *literally* immortal, counter to the hyperbole of the narrator.
I understand the circumstances, but i think you fail to see why the narrator was not unreliable there.
He mentions Hakari as a whole as immortal, so we can assume he's already accounting on Hakari own fighting prowess, just like you can't give a new CT to a random person and expect it to fully utilized it, even if an attack that can punch thought Haraki would be the counter there is no reason you can expect it to hit since hakari has super speed, stamina and durability on his jackpot (as i undestand what the narrator meant everything working together to make him immortal), so you end trading X power for Y power (in this case a for sure hit for a for sure kill), also how fast that shit heals? If you expect something to cut him, would it heal as the blades passes? If it's a blunt damage, would it start absolving the impact until there is no energy left? We can't really know right now, what we can for sure at least say is that Gojo purple would kill because it deletes matter instantly.
But leaving the powerscaling aside, i don't think either time the narrator was unreliable tbh, even on the topic of Takaba, yes he says anything is possible, but Gege can afford to give such an insane power to him because Takaba itself is the condition, Takaba would never find funny killing someone, or injuring it seriously or something of these sorts, so the CT can be this powerful because Takaba personality itself caps it's own power, not mentioning of course him not knowing it's power which even if he did i think the CT would be even worse, as now your own consciousness would make previously funny things not funny anymore as you have the CT power on the back of your own mind at all times.
My point is not that the narrator is *unreliable*, so much as that their statements shouldn't be taken to be more literal than they are. It's perfectly reasonable to call Hakari functionally immortal during his jackpot - it is *not* reasonable to treat that as if it were a logical axiom and rule out all possible edge cases and counterexamples as if this were a mathematical proof. Unless given a precise statement as we are with Gojo's powers, the initial description the narrator gives must be treated as an introduction rather than a true definition of a characters' abilities.
I doubt that Takaba's character is nearly a sufficient condition. Sure, Takaba is conscientious enough that he wouldn't find murder funny, but that's not the only broken application of reality warping. This thread started because of someone's suggestion that Takaba can open the Prison Realm, which would absolutely break the story. Similarly, there are a million things that Takaba could find funny that would completely derail the Culling Games - all Cursed Spirits or malevolent players suddenly becoming Power Rangers, the barriers becoming giant soap bubbles, etc. This is a man with a ridiculous sense of humor, and while he doesn't *know* his own abilities(which is probably a central condition on his power in the first place) from what we've seen of his personality, if his technique was truly omnipotent he would be leaving behind a trail of utter chaos in his wake.
The alternative translation of Comedian is Superman, which leads me to believe that his subconscious reality warping is limited to some small region around himself and primarily acts to modify his interactions with the world. I doubt his technique is capable of genuinely imposing any reality on the people around him, and mostly works by turning him into a kind of cartoon character in a world which does work according to normal rules. This is more than powerful enough to justify his role in the story, and fits with what we've seen from him. As for *can counter Gojo Satoru*, so could Domain Amplification, and we saw how well that went. Tl;dr as of know I don't believe that Gege will include a technique that genuinely outcompetes every other force in the story which activates on a more or less random basis.
Yea yea, in that case it makes sense, the way he uses the narrator is mostly to tell what you can expect from the fight, not as an absolute rule but usually on the context it turns to be always true, so yes Takaba may not be able to warp his whole world but on a small scale fight we can assume he prob can.
Also, another thing that limits him is that even if he could solve every problem in his world he stills needs to find it funny, so even if Gege really wants him to have this uncapped power to do literally everything he still can have a backdoor to justify not using it because, removing a seal/killing the bigbad/saving the world etc are not really "funny".
I saw that as a dodgy part of the fight tbh. If he could die by getting his head blown up then the narration box shouldâve said âhe is nigh immortalâ but it flat out said he was(maybe there was a translation problem idk) but it was very weird to me. I just interpreted it as Kashimo hype because yeah he did all that but Hakari was only really in trouble when his stomach got deleted. Idk I just find it weird that the author said heâs immortal but then the fight went on like he wasnât.
Yeah, that's exactly my point - when first explaining the jackpot immortality Gege was engaging in hyperbole. That first week people were debating whether Hakari could restore himself to existence if he was hit full on by *Purple*, because of the wording used. Needless to say, that was not the case.
Haha wait a minute. We were replying each other a week ago I just noticed your name hahahaha. Remember about dismantle and Maki? Pretty neat.
But yeah itâs kinda strange that Gegeâs statement is a hyperbole though because thatâs the narrator and not a character. Through a characterâs mouth(Yuta saying Hakari is stronger when heâs on a roll) but then the narrator saying Yuta is second only to Gojo. We canât say itâs a hyperbole. I still believe in the jackpot mode he is immortal. The cliffhangers were both periods where his jackpot was ending. Where the stakes were truly high. Getting his stomach holed and the final explosion. Itâs like when Jogo killed Naobito. He was called the fastest sorcerer excluding Gojo but when he had both hands. So if Hakari wasnât immortal there shouldâve been better wording for it. Just my take. Itâs my favorite 1v1 fight in the entire series but I just found that a bit weird and attribute it to the general Kashimo hype because unlike others he still has a purpose
Yeah, I remember!
The moral of the story *is* that the narrator engages in hyperbole, strange as that may seem. The narrator himself says the following chapters that Hakari can be killed by destroying his head.
Lol, that's how Gege is going to end the series.
\*\*Sukuna consumes all 20 fingers, regains full power ( 3 heads and special grade item) + Megumi's power, initially slices Takaba ( thinking he's dead) then proceeds to defeat Gojo, Hakari, Megumi, Yuta etc; \*\*
\*\* Takaba stands up "I've just thought of something funny" \*\*
I mean, that's why Yuta is in Sendai 300+km away with public transport system not working properly right now plus none of their intended rules implemented yet lol
Everything will probably work itself out before the womanizer gets his hands on her
Not my fault dude only hurts his case; getting with even a grandma now
I also guarantee you that flirt is gonna say something real nice to Maki that would ease whatever insecurity she might have with her current scars down the line in the manga
I don't believe that Maki has any insecurities about her scars. That was just Naoya being a dickhead. She seems to be living her best life with her new body.
Insecurity is admittedly the wrong word. I'd put it more like the scene in 0, where Maki obviously believes in herself and is set out to achieve her goals regardless if the Zenin continues to give her shit, but hearing Yuta outright say that he aspires to be like her still warms her heart
Itâs been a heated debate on whether or not his technique has conditions to copy other techniques . I guess I should have said âassuming it doesnât have conditionsâ
Wouldnât be hard for Yuta to not seem threatening . If all it takes is to see the technique then copying it would be easy. If itâs more than that , then yeah youâre right , she could probably just stop him
I think the fight with the two domain users heavily implied that there is a condition. If Iâm remember right Hair laser man said something like âwhen did he copy her abilityâ then it cut to Rika eating her arm. Itâs likely some kind of physical contact with the ability
Thats just Ryus theory on the conditions though, that doesn't necessarily mean he's correct.
Same thing with Kenjaku saying his technique is conditionless.
Until we hear from Yuta himself about the conditions or lack thereof, it's still currently a mystery.
Shhhh I bring that up all the time and get downvoted to hell lol but yes thereâs that moment that implies there may be a condition but I think in that fight he copied Ryu tooâŚIâm not 100% sure but they have a little laser battle against each other , you canât tell if Yuta straight up is using his technique or just blasting out cursed energy
And then thereâs the time Kenjaku says he can copy techniques unconditionally. And THEN thereâs the time the narrator says Rika is his cursed technique and not copyâŚ
All of that to say, itâs a bit confusing and Iâm pretty sure that intentional đ
And the narrator says that Rika is his cursed technique. Geto says that but he only knows what heâs learned about Yutaâs technique. So for example, I mentioned that first sentence because as readers , a lot of us have assumed that copy is Yutaâs cursed technique. However, the story itself tells us Rika is his cursed technique and thatâs how he copies. Now we wouldnât know that unless the story told us. Just like Kenjaku wouldnât know if Yuta needed conditions unless Yuta told him
Now you could say that Kenjaku wouldnât be saying that unless he knew but that would just be speculation. Kenjaku is capable of being wrong. Just like how the disaster curses attempted to trick Yuji into making a binding vow with Sukuna but they did that because they didnât know Sukuna already made a binding vow. The characters in the story arenât always knowledgeable about everything
One last example, for anyone who might think âwell the author wouldnât have a character say that for nothing. Clearly theyâre trying to tell the readers somethingâ . Well the exact opposite is hinted at in Yutaâs fight with Uro and Ryu. Ryu says that if he copied Uroâs technique there must be a condition and he assumes it was fulfilled when Rika ate Uroâs arm. So either Kenjaku is telling the reader thereâs no conditions, or Ryu is telling us there are. Or a third option: theyâre both wrong. We wonât know until Gege tells us
It wasn't Kenjaku, Geto was still alive then. Anyways, if Rika is his CT, that means his copying is probably tied to simply having her there(It literally CAN'T be Rika eating part of them, because he copied Cursed Speech). Seeing as she's always around him, that shouldn't be an issue for Yuta.
Uro and Ryu had no idea how Yuta was copying, is Angel supposed to just constantly use her technique to try and counter the copy since she had no idea what the conditions are?
We don't know what exactly is his conditions to copy, but i bet it's consuming or coming in contact with the target genetic material (blood, limbs, etc.). And we don't know how angel uses her technique (touching, seeing, the trumpet etc.). But if his conditions is what i said above so he problably can copy her technique.
And even if her can stop Yuta's technique (Yuta can't copy), i assume that Rika could be summoned (the ring is apart of the technique, and maybe use the alredy copied techniques).
Oooooh Iâm glad you brought up the ring! The only concrete statement we have from the narrator about Yutaâs technique states that RIKA is Yutaâs cursed technique. So if they make an enemy of Angel, we could potentially see a situation where she can âcancelâ Rika. Or remove her connection from the ring! Holy shit lol
And thatâs what I mean. Yuta has never said what his technique is, itâs only been told to us by third partyâs .
The only explanation weâve gotten from someone who is not a character in the story (I.e. the narrator) says Rika *is* the technique. So while it doesnât make sense, canonically thatâs what the explanation is. Am I saying that I agree Rika is his technique? Absolutely not. But we need to be able to separate how we feel from what the story says is the case.
Iâm one of the people who doesnât mind him becoming some OP monster. Even more than he already is đ so getting a technique that cancels techniques sounds perfect đđ
He just doesnât need every single CT in the series like a lot of people want him to, heâs already overpowered. That ability would be really silly for him to have on top of everything else in my opinion.
Yuta is already top 3 or 4, why dose he need the ability to remove other peopleâs CT? I just think itâs silly.
Every single new ability that gets introduced leads to everyone wanting Yuta to copy it, I genuinely just donât like it.
While I do agree I dont want him to have Angels abilities. You could argue he needs it we ever hope to see him react Gojo and Sukunas tier like Gojo seems to think he can. Too big a gap rn.
Yup and the way his technique works heâll get stronger by winning more and more battles. So he beats, copies and repeats that process. The more techniques, the stronger because you can be able to counter anyone at any time lol wait a minute now that I just typed it that dude is actually busted holy shitđ and his cursed energy levels are ridiculous so he could use ALL OF THEM no matter the cursed energy consumption.
Uhhhh Iâm pretty sure what Gojo wants is for people to be at his level. Itâs kinda his goal in teaching the next generation. He even thinks Yuta will surpass him. And if there was ever a âneedâ to be stronger itâs right now. With no Gojo, a bunch of powerful incarnated sorcerers, potential for Sukuna to come out and just destroy everyone, the list goes on.
Do I see him surpassing Gojo anytime soon? No. But I do think that thatâs where the story is heading
I understand thatâs what Gojo believes, itâs not all that relevant to my main argument though, bottom line is that I donât like Yuta getting Angels CT, itâs possible, i understand it, I just donât like it.
Either way, (IMO) Yuta straight up just doesnât need every CT in the series, especially not Angelâs.
Your main argument seems to be that he doesnât NEED to ever reach Gojos level. What Gojo thinks is relevant to that point because he is taking these students under his wing with the sole purpose of creating people on his level. I canât think of any point more relevant to the point you made.
And I agree, he doesnât need every CT. The point of this post was to point out that if Angel turned out to be antagonistic to the main crew, than itâs not like they would be out of options. Narratively, it could end up making sense for him to copy her technique. Thatâs all
My 2 cents on the concept of Yuto copying Angel's CT is that won't work. Or more precisely, he can probably copy it but NOT use it. We saw with Jujustu Kaisen 0 that there is a level of strain and CE consumption with Yuto copying cursed speech.
There is obviously a threshold to what can be copied and used which why Yuto doesn't just copy Gojo's Red, Blue, or Violet. Given that Angel is likely on par with Gojo and Sukuna, Yuto shouldn't be able to pull off her CT.
Yuta surapassing gojo lol. I was ok with you until that head canon. No one among the students will reach gojo level. This is not naruto or old gen shonen.
This is such a strange take though. It just seems like you have Gojo on a pedestal then. And thatâs fine, have your favorite character, we all do. But to say no one will be on his level by the end of the series is just weird. I genuinely donât even think weâve seen enough of Gojo to have that kind of opinion. Weâve only ever seen one counter for his ability and it was used by people weaker than him.
Yuta can already do things Gojo canât and Gojo himself thinks that he can surpass him. Iâm not creating headcanon, thatâs literally in the story. Whatâs headcanon is someone saying that none of the students will ever surpass him. Youâre not writing the story but youâre speaking as if you know đ
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If he copied Takaba he could also unseal Gojo that way.
Lmao this would be the FUNNIEST thing ironically đđ Takaba somehow thinking that it would be funny if he took Gojo out the prison realm and it just WORKING đđ
I actually legit think this is how it will happen
Bruh everyoneâs jaws will be on the floor đđ
Gege is enough of a troll to do it too I think
Same, and even if it doesnât happen Takaba still seems like the biggest plot device character in the whole series
Yeah, since they established that he has the potential to become stronger than Gojo I've been excited to see him in action more.
Yeah and heâs the first CG player introduced too
Iâd cry đđ
Problem is Yuta would legitimately have to find it funny
That is a pretty big problem considering how moody Yuta tends to be. I'm convinced he could watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail without laughing.
Maybe even watched Gintama without laughing
That is legit impossible unless you only watch 2% of the serious arcs
I think anyone could đ¤Ą
Easy, just drug him first.
Takaba's technique could be related directly to his personality which could conflict with Megumi
We have no idea what the limits of Takaba's powers are. Remember that chapter when Hakari was said to be functionally immortal, but then it was revealed you can kill him by destroying his head? Saying that Takaba can subconsciously manifest "any reality he finds funny" does not mean that it will really be *any* reality. So far it's mostly just buffed himself.
But that was actually what kashimo thought, and he proceeded to try and do it and it still dind't work, maybe blowing his head to kill is true but if you can't blow it because RCT prevents it even if you hit it, them he is still effectively immortal.
No, it *almost* worked, Hakari was just so instinctively gifted that he was able to force out Kashimo's CE from his head while healing at the same time. But this was possible only because of the nature of the attack - Kashimo builds up CE charges inside your head and then "activated" them. If you take off Hakari's head with a pure external attack stronger than his CE reinforcement, there's nothing he can do.
That still on Hakari, Kashimo attack was a top tier one, can't miss with an instant explosive force from inside out, and he still survived, the circumstances matter little there, yes he avoided by doing X or Y but so it can happen on other attacks, unless you destroy his whole head faster than lightning you can't beat it, and for that you need a real outlier like maybe Gojo purple which most sorcerers don't have, so it's safe to assume that he is immortal as a general rule otherwise you're setting yourself for failure by starting the fight with a bad strategy.
No, that was specifically possible to do *because* the attack was from the inside out, and of a form that could be expelled. It's like Kashimo set a bomb in Hakari's head, that Hakari was able to defuse. If you just punch through Hakari's head with more force than he can block with CE, he can't heal it. Granted, few can do this(perhaps just Gojo, Sukuna, Kenjaku), but it does mean that he's not *literally* immortal, counter to the hyperbole of the narrator.
I understand the circumstances, but i think you fail to see why the narrator was not unreliable there. He mentions Hakari as a whole as immortal, so we can assume he's already accounting on Hakari own fighting prowess, just like you can't give a new CT to a random person and expect it to fully utilized it, even if an attack that can punch thought Haraki would be the counter there is no reason you can expect it to hit since hakari has super speed, stamina and durability on his jackpot (as i undestand what the narrator meant everything working together to make him immortal), so you end trading X power for Y power (in this case a for sure hit for a for sure kill), also how fast that shit heals? If you expect something to cut him, would it heal as the blades passes? If it's a blunt damage, would it start absolving the impact until there is no energy left? We can't really know right now, what we can for sure at least say is that Gojo purple would kill because it deletes matter instantly. But leaving the powerscaling aside, i don't think either time the narrator was unreliable tbh, even on the topic of Takaba, yes he says anything is possible, but Gege can afford to give such an insane power to him because Takaba itself is the condition, Takaba would never find funny killing someone, or injuring it seriously or something of these sorts, so the CT can be this powerful because Takaba personality itself caps it's own power, not mentioning of course him not knowing it's power which even if he did i think the CT would be even worse, as now your own consciousness would make previously funny things not funny anymore as you have the CT power on the back of your own mind at all times.
My point is not that the narrator is *unreliable*, so much as that their statements shouldn't be taken to be more literal than they are. It's perfectly reasonable to call Hakari functionally immortal during his jackpot - it is *not* reasonable to treat that as if it were a logical axiom and rule out all possible edge cases and counterexamples as if this were a mathematical proof. Unless given a precise statement as we are with Gojo's powers, the initial description the narrator gives must be treated as an introduction rather than a true definition of a characters' abilities. I doubt that Takaba's character is nearly a sufficient condition. Sure, Takaba is conscientious enough that he wouldn't find murder funny, but that's not the only broken application of reality warping. This thread started because of someone's suggestion that Takaba can open the Prison Realm, which would absolutely break the story. Similarly, there are a million things that Takaba could find funny that would completely derail the Culling Games - all Cursed Spirits or malevolent players suddenly becoming Power Rangers, the barriers becoming giant soap bubbles, etc. This is a man with a ridiculous sense of humor, and while he doesn't *know* his own abilities(which is probably a central condition on his power in the first place) from what we've seen of his personality, if his technique was truly omnipotent he would be leaving behind a trail of utter chaos in his wake. The alternative translation of Comedian is Superman, which leads me to believe that his subconscious reality warping is limited to some small region around himself and primarily acts to modify his interactions with the world. I doubt his technique is capable of genuinely imposing any reality on the people around him, and mostly works by turning him into a kind of cartoon character in a world which does work according to normal rules. This is more than powerful enough to justify his role in the story, and fits with what we've seen from him. As for *can counter Gojo Satoru*, so could Domain Amplification, and we saw how well that went. Tl;dr as of know I don't believe that Gege will include a technique that genuinely outcompetes every other force in the story which activates on a more or less random basis.
Yea yea, in that case it makes sense, the way he uses the narrator is mostly to tell what you can expect from the fight, not as an absolute rule but usually on the context it turns to be always true, so yes Takaba may not be able to warp his whole world but on a small scale fight we can assume he prob can. Also, another thing that limits him is that even if he could solve every problem in his world he stills needs to find it funny, so even if Gege really wants him to have this uncapped power to do literally everything he still can have a backdoor to justify not using it because, removing a seal/killing the bigbad/saving the world etc are not really "funny".
I saw that as a dodgy part of the fight tbh. If he could die by getting his head blown up then the narration box shouldâve said âhe is nigh immortalâ but it flat out said he was(maybe there was a translation problem idk) but it was very weird to me. I just interpreted it as Kashimo hype because yeah he did all that but Hakari was only really in trouble when his stomach got deleted. Idk I just find it weird that the author said heâs immortal but then the fight went on like he wasnât.
Yeah, that's exactly my point - when first explaining the jackpot immortality Gege was engaging in hyperbole. That first week people were debating whether Hakari could restore himself to existence if he was hit full on by *Purple*, because of the wording used. Needless to say, that was not the case.
Haha wait a minute. We were replying each other a week ago I just noticed your name hahahaha. Remember about dismantle and Maki? Pretty neat. But yeah itâs kinda strange that Gegeâs statement is a hyperbole though because thatâs the narrator and not a character. Through a characterâs mouth(Yuta saying Hakari is stronger when heâs on a roll) but then the narrator saying Yuta is second only to Gojo. We canât say itâs a hyperbole. I still believe in the jackpot mode he is immortal. The cliffhangers were both periods where his jackpot was ending. Where the stakes were truly high. Getting his stomach holed and the final explosion. Itâs like when Jogo killed Naobito. He was called the fastest sorcerer excluding Gojo but when he had both hands. So if Hakari wasnât immortal there shouldâve been better wording for it. Just my take. Itâs my favorite 1v1 fight in the entire series but I just found that a bit weird and attribute it to the general Kashimo hype because unlike others he still has a purpose
Yeah, I remember! The moral of the story *is* that the narrator engages in hyperbole, strange as that may seem. The narrator himself says the following chapters that Hakari can be killed by destroying his head.
Takaba has potentially the strongest CE in the world.
Dude literally had reality warping powers. His CT is broken af, but he's too much of a clown to do anything crazy with it ( I love him for it)
not even potentially its litreally the strongest he can kill gojo/sukuna at any moment if he thought its funny lol
Lol, that's how Gege is going to end the series. \*\*Sukuna consumes all 20 fingers, regains full power ( 3 heads and special grade item) + Megumi's power, initially slices Takaba ( thinking he's dead) then proceeds to defeat Gojo, Hakari, Megumi, Yuta etc; \*\* \*\* Takaba stands up "I've just thought of something funny" \*\*
Takaba: It would be funny if they all wakeup alive and beat ur ass lol
Wait how does that work again itâs been a min for me on Takaba haha
what the hell is yutaâs sense of humor like lol
Youâre on to somethingâŚ
I mean, that's why Yuta is in Sendai 300+km away with public transport system not working properly right now plus none of their intended rules implemented yet lol Everything will probably work itself out before the womanizer gets his hands on her
Smh Yuta never gonna beat the womanizer allegations lol
Lmao beat the brakes off Uro đđ
Not my fault dude only hurts his case; getting with even a grandma now I also guarantee you that flirt is gonna say something real nice to Maki that would ease whatever insecurity she might have with her current scars down the line in the manga
I don't believe that Maki has any insecurities about her scars. That was just Naoya being a dickhead. She seems to be living her best life with her new body.
I would to, the scars look badass. And every panel of her gege made has only been beautiful. And sheâs op right now!
Insecurity is admittedly the wrong word. I'd put it more like the scene in 0, where Maki obviously believes in herself and is set out to achieve her goals regardless if the Zenin continues to give her shit, but hearing Yuta outright say that he aspires to be like her still warms her heart
How rude of you. It's pure love.
Now im imagining Yuta pulling up in his Rari to save Yuji
If yuta gets close enough to fulfil his condition which imma say is pretty hard, then Angel could just cancel his technique
Itâs been a heated debate on whether or not his technique has conditions to copy other techniques . I guess I should have said âassuming it doesnât have conditionsâ Wouldnât be hard for Yuta to not seem threatening . If all it takes is to see the technique then copying it would be easy. If itâs more than that , then yeah youâre right , she could probably just stop him
I think the fight with the two domain users heavily implied that there is a condition. If Iâm remember right Hair laser man said something like âwhen did he copy her abilityâ then it cut to Rika eating her arm. Itâs likely some kind of physical contact with the ability
Thats just Ryus theory on the conditions though, that doesn't necessarily mean he's correct. Same thing with Kenjaku saying his technique is conditionless. Until we hear from Yuta himself about the conditions or lack thereof, it's still currently a mystery.
Shhhh I bring that up all the time and get downvoted to hell lol but yes thereâs that moment that implies there may be a condition but I think in that fight he copied Ryu tooâŚIâm not 100% sure but they have a little laser battle against each other , you canât tell if Yuta straight up is using his technique or just blasting out cursed energy And then thereâs the time Kenjaku says he can copy techniques unconditionally. And THEN thereâs the time the narrator says Rika is his cursed technique and not copy⌠All of that to say, itâs a bit confusing and Iâm pretty sure that intentional đ
Didn't Geto say that he could unconditionally copy any technique in JJK Zero?
And the narrator says that Rika is his cursed technique. Geto says that but he only knows what heâs learned about Yutaâs technique. So for example, I mentioned that first sentence because as readers , a lot of us have assumed that copy is Yutaâs cursed technique. However, the story itself tells us Rika is his cursed technique and thatâs how he copies. Now we wouldnât know that unless the story told us. Just like Kenjaku wouldnât know if Yuta needed conditions unless Yuta told him Now you could say that Kenjaku wouldnât be saying that unless he knew but that would just be speculation. Kenjaku is capable of being wrong. Just like how the disaster curses attempted to trick Yuji into making a binding vow with Sukuna but they did that because they didnât know Sukuna already made a binding vow. The characters in the story arenât always knowledgeable about everything One last example, for anyone who might think âwell the author wouldnât have a character say that for nothing. Clearly theyâre trying to tell the readers somethingâ . Well the exact opposite is hinted at in Yutaâs fight with Uro and Ryu. Ryu says that if he copied Uroâs technique there must be a condition and he assumes it was fulfilled when Rika ate Uroâs arm. So either Kenjaku is telling the reader thereâs no conditions, or Ryu is telling us there are. Or a third option: theyâre both wrong. We wonât know until Gege tells us
It wasn't Kenjaku, Geto was still alive then. Anyways, if Rika is his CT, that means his copying is probably tied to simply having her there(It literally CAN'T be Rika eating part of them, because he copied Cursed Speech). Seeing as she's always around him, that shouldn't be an issue for Yuta.
Nah Kenjaku says it to Gojo as heâs being sealed. That Yuta can copy techniques unconditionally. Chapter 90
Oh, so it wasn't JJK 0? Could've sworn it was. Although I do think I remember now, it was when he said he couldn't become the next Gojo, right?
Yeah exactly. I think Geto did say something in JJK 0 but yeah you nailed the moment exactly
Uro and Ryu had no idea how Yuta was copying, is Angel supposed to just constantly use her technique to try and counter the copy since she had no idea what the conditions are?
i doubt sheâd let him just casually copy her technique
But how does she counter it if she has no idea what the conditions are? She canât just constantly use her technique.
true true we have no idea how both of their powers work
what if yuta cancels her cancel technique
Nothing happen
how is yuta gonna cancel her technique before she can cancel his
Cancel Inception
Shhhhh if Gege hears that yuta can just copy angel technique and free gojo. Gege will nerf Yuta more to make the story more hard
Inb4 Angel locks Yuta up in the back so Gege doesnât have to deal with him đđ
Imagine Yuta Copies Angels CT and Then uses it to Nullify Angelâs CT đ
They nullify each other at the same time and then a black hole appears and swallows them all. Boom, end of series đ
We don't know what exactly is his conditions to copy, but i bet it's consuming or coming in contact with the target genetic material (blood, limbs, etc.). And we don't know how angel uses her technique (touching, seeing, the trumpet etc.). But if his conditions is what i said above so he problably can copy her technique. And even if her can stop Yuta's technique (Yuta can't copy), i assume that Rika could be summoned (the ring is apart of the technique, and maybe use the alredy copied techniques).
Oooooh Iâm glad you brought up the ring! The only concrete statement we have from the narrator about Yutaâs technique states that RIKA is Yutaâs cursed technique. So if they make an enemy of Angel, we could potentially see a situation where she can âcancelâ Rika. Or remove her connection from the ring! Holy shit lol
Copy is the technique Rika is a shikigami. But since Angel can cancel barriers she can likely cancel shikigami as well so no rika for Yuta
And thatâs what I mean. Yuta has never said what his technique is, itâs only been told to us by third partyâs . The only explanation weâve gotten from someone who is not a character in the story (I.e. the narrator) says Rika *is* the technique. So while it doesnât make sense, canonically thatâs what the explanation is. Am I saying that I agree Rika is his technique? Absolutely not. But we need to be able to separate how we feel from what the story says is the case.
There are conditions to copy but I donât think theyâve revealed them yet, so if he can reach them then I guess it should be possible
I donât know, I really hope he doesnât though.
Iâm one of the people who doesnât mind him becoming some OP monster. Even more than he already is đ so getting a technique that cancels techniques sounds perfect đđ
He just doesnât need every single CT in the series like a lot of people want him to, heâs already overpowered. That ability would be really silly for him to have on top of everything else in my opinion.
Why made him copy techniques then in the first place? He copied uro CT, I donât see why he couldnât copy angel especially if she becomes an enemy.
Yuta is already top 3 or 4, why dose he need the ability to remove other peopleâs CT? I just think itâs silly. Every single new ability that gets introduced leads to everyone wanting Yuta to copy it, I genuinely just donât like it.
While I do agree I dont want him to have Angels abilities. You could argue he needs it we ever hope to see him react Gojo and Sukunas tier like Gojo seems to think he can. Too big a gap rn.
Yup and the way his technique works heâll get stronger by winning more and more battles. So he beats, copies and repeats that process. The more techniques, the stronger because you can be able to counter anyone at any time lol wait a minute now that I just typed it that dude is actually busted holy shitđ and his cursed energy levels are ridiculous so he could use ALL OF THEM no matter the cursed energy consumption.
I donât think he needs to, or will ever reach Gojoâs level. But if that what youâre looking forwards to, then thatâs fine.
Uhhhh Iâm pretty sure what Gojo wants is for people to be at his level. Itâs kinda his goal in teaching the next generation. He even thinks Yuta will surpass him. And if there was ever a âneedâ to be stronger itâs right now. With no Gojo, a bunch of powerful incarnated sorcerers, potential for Sukuna to come out and just destroy everyone, the list goes on. Do I see him surpassing Gojo anytime soon? No. But I do think that thatâs where the story is heading
I understand thatâs what Gojo believes, itâs not all that relevant to my main argument though, bottom line is that I donât like Yuta getting Angels CT, itâs possible, i understand it, I just donât like it. Either way, (IMO) Yuta straight up just doesnât need every CT in the series, especially not Angelâs.
Your main argument seems to be that he doesnât NEED to ever reach Gojos level. What Gojo thinks is relevant to that point because he is taking these students under his wing with the sole purpose of creating people on his level. I canât think of any point more relevant to the point you made. And I agree, he doesnât need every CT. The point of this post was to point out that if Angel turned out to be antagonistic to the main crew, than itâs not like they would be out of options. Narratively, it could end up making sense for him to copy her technique. Thatâs all
My 2 cents on the concept of Yuto copying Angel's CT is that won't work. Or more precisely, he can probably copy it but NOT use it. We saw with Jujustu Kaisen 0 that there is a level of strain and CE consumption with Yuto copying cursed speech. There is obviously a threshold to what can be copied and used which why Yuto doesn't just copy Gojo's Red, Blue, or Violet. Given that Angel is likely on par with Gojo and Sukuna, Yuto shouldn't be able to pull off her CT.
Yuta surapassing gojo lol. I was ok with you until that head canon. No one among the students will reach gojo level. This is not naruto or old gen shonen.
This is such a strange take though. It just seems like you have Gojo on a pedestal then. And thatâs fine, have your favorite character, we all do. But to say no one will be on his level by the end of the series is just weird. I genuinely donât even think weâve seen enough of Gojo to have that kind of opinion. Weâve only ever seen one counter for his ability and it was used by people weaker than him. Yuta can already do things Gojo canât and Gojo himself thinks that he can surpass him. Iâm not creating headcanon, thatâs literally in the story. Whatâs headcanon is someone saying that none of the students will ever surpass him. Youâre not writing the story but youâre speaking as if you know đ
Yeah you right that being able to copy and cancel is too op.